Thread 212866424

man... this really was not worth it in the long run

It was a Turkish plot

>>212866424 (OP)
Many posters on /int/ wouldn't exist if this hadn't happened

jesus I never noticed it but around half of all slaves went to just brazil alone
hoooooly

>>212866516
you would also not be here if your dad didnt get your mom drunk that one night that doesnt justify alcohol over consumption.

your countrymen are a bunch of deranged nigger lovers.
why ruining a brand new civilization like this? just because you didn't want to work to make a Portugal 2.0?

>>212866635
My mom doesn't drink howbeit

>>212866424 (OP)
What made niggers specifically so popular as slaves?

>>212866685
Resistance to old-world diseases + knowledge of agricultural + abundant supply

>>212866424 (OP)
Europeans saw this and a vast, rich, untapped, untamed, beautiful, bountiful continent and said to themselves, "WE NEED TO IMPORT MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF THE DARKEST, BLACKEST AFRICANS AND SELECTIVELY BREED EVEN MILLIONS MORE OF THEM".

>>212866685
Indigenous American people died from diseases, (smallpox, measles etc.) and were thought to be weak and unsuited to slavery. Blacks on the other hand, if they survived the initial voyage and the seasoning process, were considered to be physically strong enough but submissive and almost completely servile if disciplined enough. Arabs said the same thing.

>>212866751
They made poor slaves.

>>212866674
yeah guess why, dumbo. She doesnt want a 2nd one of you

>>212866887
I have a younger brother howbeit

>>212866664
everything was ruined the moment euro animals stepped on this continent

>>212866751
stop shouting

firstly it was the mines, natives were very susceptible to stress, they literally died of stress, then it's the diseases and such, africans were much better suited to disease resistance and they were a lot hardier and stronger
didn't matter how much "bounty or untamed" the nature had, it was all about the mines, then the plantations, you just don't get it, if you don't understand colonial economy how can you understand anything

>>212866424 (OP)
>europeans "discovered" new land
>immediately proceeds to bring in a insane amount of africans
lmao

isn't it crazy how straight up slavery was just openly accepted untill a century and half ago?

It was a 'necessary' process for the rise of industrial capitalism

The rise of capitalism in Europe (at that time, simple capitalism) created the thirst for gold & slaves.

Capitalism needs money, a lots of it, because is the equivalent commodity par excellence. It follows that without money, the capitalist equation M-C-M' can't be realized

As for slavery, the normalization of the prolongation of the working day, plus the commodification of human beings, were also necessary for industrial capital.

>>212866975
there is slavery right now
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c84jmkg0k40o
>Dozens of Indian workers freed from 'slavery' in Italy

>>212867061
im not saying there isn't, but it is not accepted anymore (and consequently it isn't as widespread as it was)
it is a no-brainer saying slavery is bad

>>212866589
No shit, brazil was just a big jamaica before gold was found.

>>212866831
It depends really, bandeirantes raided jesuit-guarani settlements to capture slaves and concubines

>>212866674
your mom loves to share a bottle of red with me when we are watching romcoms though

>>212866989
Why do commies try to fit every single event in history into some capitalist/communist struggle
Such a reductionist and frankly retarded way of viewing things

>>212866943
Was that hard to cut some balls before stuffing the negros in the ships?

>>212867399
Hauling slaves across the atlantic was expensive much easier to just let them breed.

>>212867294
>romcoms
She mostly likes police procedural dramas

>>212866664
moortuguese are literal nigger mutts

>>212866424 (OP)
Imagine the world if Americas were populated only by Euro-Natives mutts.

>>212867395
It's literally the central point of their worldview. If everything can't be reduced to a class struggle their ideology falls apart. That time Genghis Khan massacred a bunch of Moslem Turks? Yep that was the bourgeoisie or something.

>>212866664
What personal incentive is there in creating another Portugal? The people funding these trips to the new world wasn't doing it out of charity.

>>212867528
thats practically all hispanic america except for a few countries and still sucks

>>212867595
Most Latinos have some SSA dna. We aren't even the niggest Latin American country genetically despite receiving the most African slaves. We killed most of them in the Paraguayan war.

>>212866589
That is why /ˌʁi.u/ is so beautiful.

>>212866831
>>212866943
Solution: mine their own gold and pick their own cotton

>>212868018
What's the x-axis supposed to measure?

>>212867164
kek

>see map
>understand why brazil and the caribbean has the hightest levels of violence

>>212866424 (OP)
>brazil
kek

>>212868920
>what is mexico
>>212869185
not sure if you indios are much better
at least blacks are good at sports and their women have big butts

>>212866424 (OP)
bless the caribbeans for taking the bulk of the nwords for us
>>212869455
>but but le sports!!
lmao

>>212869541
>narcostate laughing about brazil

>>212869591
sit down irrelevant country named after a spice. nobodys talking to you

>>212869642
t. abrazos, no balazos

>small cabal of greedy plantationers sneak a few million negroes into the USA
>our society is permanently tainted forevermore

shit is sick

>>212869693
now imagine if you took in the amount brazil did

>>212866938
And you are 100& lolatzec, right?
Don't take a dna test.

>>212869185
>>212866589
Most male slaves in Brazil died in a short period after being imported so they constantly needed new slaves, most didn’t had children also. Portuguese slavery was brutal, specially in the mines.

>>212869693
Race relations are the way they are in american not because they were brought there in the first place but because america failed to properly integrate the slaves after they were freed. The root cause of pretty much every problem in the US can be traced back to slavery + the failure of reconstruction to actually stamp out the confederacy.

>>212870767
i wish we had their "problems"
sit down lol

>>212867395
But what he said in that post was right doebeit. Money was the reason and you are a midwit if you think it's anything more than that.

>>212870767
Erm but you integrated your blakpipo and still have more homicides than we do

>>212870767

They can't integrate. They don't belong here. There is a massive gap between the genetic composition of the settlers/immigrants and the slaves.

Even if we ignore the massive racial gap, think about the type of person.

Settler/immigrant: ambitious, hardworking, enterprising mindset

Slave: lazy, dull, entitled

They have always stuck out like a sore thumb because they don't belong here in any way, they were artificially imported in. Even illegal immigrants now come here because they WANT to work and build.

Brazil barely had natives, so they ruined with another thing

>>212870916
you're just spouting pseudo science and ranting about stereotypes lol

>>212870849
don't worry. keep converting to evangelicalism and you'll get their problems as well lol

>>212866424 (OP)
>that massive BBC penetrating Brapzil
Hot.

>>212866424 (OP)
Crazy to thing that Portuguese helped to ruin TWO continents all just to have GDP per capita of Slovakia.

>>212867528
That's most Spanish America and they are all shitholes

>>212866424 (OP)
Slavers never think about the long run

>>212871112
why did you copy my posting style?
stop pretending to be me
>>212871293
cucktholicism was a mistake
and zoomers barely care about religion anyway
latrinx america isn't breeding nigga theres no future here

Why were they sending niggers to brittany?

>>212866989
Don't they teach mercantilism in Mexican schools?

>>212871562
because there were slaves in europe as well, stupid mutt nigger
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercado_de_Escravos

>>212871507
Hop off my dick faggot, you don't own the lol acronym.

>>212866956
Who else on going work on the plantations?

>>212866424 (OP)
Do people actually believe that prehistoric humans were able to cross the Atlantic?

>>212871387
and we'd do it again if we could

>>212866424 (OP)
At least we aren't as short as Portuguese.

>>212866424 (OP)
Without it, we would undoubtedly be part of Spain today. So I agree.

we will get our revenge

>>212873880
Imagine Dom Sebastião reading this

>>212874012
Portugal historically has always been a vatican-french-english ploy to undermine spanish superiority. I happen to see through the charade.

>>212871074
>Spanish America
>shit music
>ugly cities
>shitholes
>violent

New World without black people would be the same shit. It's depressing.

>>212874081
Only USA would improve.

>>212874069
Turn of the VPN Manolo

>>212870715
They impregnated many women with BBC.

Unfortunally the Portuguese craKKKas where mad at their women gettig to hardly fecudanted by kangs so they ordered to execute all the mutt babies in jealous +plus started to rape all the other women as retalation for the heresy.

>>212874156
It's true. We were on the right path starting from 1580 but naturally some uppity nobles propped up by the eternal anglo just had to fuck it all up.

>>212873502
Not moor enough zainichi portuguese

what I find most interesting about it is that the Vatican always condemned it, but Portugal and Spain were fake Catholic countries so they never listened, nowadays Portugal and Spain have the highest divorce rates in the world and are completely atheist

Latin America was colonized by atheists but Catholics continue to take all the heat

>>212866424 (OP)
>capitalists commit atrocities to sate their desire for cheap labor
this reminds me of something

>>212866424 (OP)
Imagine if the entire New World was like Australia
>no nigs from other continents
>only a small population of natives in distant reserves
>White New World policy: only white people allowed immigrating for most of its history

What exactly made our ancestors decide “wow we have 2 massive new continents, let’s import a bunch of Africans and fuck them so we create a new mutt hybrid race and fifth column minority group to destabilize our descendants.” Why couldn’t white people just pick the cotton?

>>212876197
White women would rebel and white men would be forced to implement liberal policies. Hordes of BBC and hyperviolent brown men would flood the countries.

>>212866424 (OP)
american niggers are the luckiest of the bunch and yet they complain constantly, they’re lucky they didn’t wind up in brazil

>>212876997
We are lucky they didn't end up here

>>212874069
>>Portugal historically has always been a vatican-french-english ploy to undermine spanish superiority. I happen to see through the charade.

>>212866424 (OP)
of course it was worth it. it turned an astronomical profit. our cathedrals and monasteries didn't build themselves. the US and brazil are welcome for the vibrant diversity we provided. ray charles, muhammad ali, michael jackson, PELE. none of those people would exist.

sshiiieet

>>212876197
>Portuguese colonizers don't import African slaves
>Natives aren't genocided as much (smallpox still gonna kill a few)
>Portuguese build more infrastructure instead of just exploiting the land for resources
>Only other european settlers are allowed
>Brazilian independence is peaceful
>Brazil is now mostly white European and native
>Brazil rejects the American style of city planning and maintains its mix of colonial european architecture
and nature

there is a timeline in which this is what happened, but it is not our timeline

>>212874156
he's not spanish he's brazilian. he outed himself yesterday.

>>212877264
where did you get this picture of me (100% moortuguese)?

>>212866943
>THINK OF THE ECONOMY
the bugman mentality still dominant. What jewsus actually meant when he said the meek shall inherit the earth.

>>212877756
but he's right. african slaves in the americas were 100% a consequence of economics.

>>212876997
I agree, lots of ethnic minorities had to deal with a much worse hand. If you are a Crimean Tatar, your home is basically turned into a warzone and you have no say in it, before 2022 they were not considered refugees either, meaning that your job opportunities were limited exclusively to Russia with the average monthly salary of $500. At least any minority in the EU or the USA itself, no matter how poor it is, has infinitely more opportunities than most 3rd worlders

>>212877449
every single thing you said can be summarized with "Portugal actually listened to the Pope"

>>212877900
And this modern dystopic world is a consequence of economics as well.
Bugman men with bugman hearts and bugman minds.

>>212866424 (OP)
blame the sugar, the bane of civilization

>>212875598
killing each other at crazy rates and being the center of drug trafficking doesn't sound very catholic

>>212878693
people say pride or vanity are the worst sins, but it was actually gluttony.

>>212878545
there's not a single economic model that doesn't turn you into a bugman. economics might as well be called bugnomics

>>212878728
because like I said Latin America was colonized by atheists

>>212878545
>is given a history lesson and takes it for a political stance
Was your skull reinforced with lead or are you naturally so dense?

>>212873812
So are south sudani's not actually slendermen? It'd be weird for them to be surrounded by significantly shorter people, despite their genetic similarities

>>212877423
The music made by nigs was the only redeemable thing about all of this

>>212866424 (OP)

We still had a sort of last chance to get rid of them around the period of the civil war, mid-19th century. That ship has sailed, or rather, sadly, it never sailed back. We're stuck with them for all time and the intermixing has brought on an irreversible IQ dip in the population.

Greed makes people do a lot of stupid things that are clearly not in their best interest. Interacting with black people in any way, for any reason, is one of those.

>>212879338
do you really think exterminating all black people like animals during the civil war would ever be feasible?

>>212879338
>has brought on an irreversible IQ dip in the population.
There is no actual causation between these. An all white US would have still observed a big IQ dip due to unrestrained capitalism eroding social institutions and rewarding mass consumerism.

>>212866424 (OP)
It was the biggest mistake of all time

>>212874012
even though he wanted the portuguese crown, Philip loved Sebastião and warned him about his retarded idea.

>>212866424 (OP)
Karma for your sins
Whites ruined christs message

>>212870715
Ya I consider latinos white

Basically ethnic Epstein island

>>212879857
d. sebastião was a schizo moron and deserved to die like an animal in morocco.

>>212867164
It’s why disease didn’t work in Asia

Natives need to have 10 kids on governments dime

>>212871112
jews lived in europe for over 1000 years and still couldn't integrate, same for gypsies
blacks in america have been there for 400 years and still haven't integrated
it just does not work if things are incompatible

>>212880329
magyars, siculo-arabs and vikings did integrate into europe though, so it's not like it's an impossible task

>>212880329
blacks did integrate despite all the efforts against them

>>212880329
To be fair blacks were legally not allowed to integrate until fairly recently. Both of my parents went to white-only schools.

>>212880192
Turn off the vpn, Manolo.

>>212879338
We also had the chance to ship them back to portuguese Africa during the monarchy when slavery ended but nah let's just leave them in some favela nearby, what could go wrong?

>>212876197
imagine if natives had been as dirty as eurasians and developed their own smallpox or versions of salmonella and western eurasia collapsed after contact. now THAT would be interesting

>>212880778
Impossible. Europeans were jeet tier for most of history

>>212879419
It can be more than one thing.

>>212871387
They almost ruined three
>Though records are far from complete, a census in 1551–52 suggested Lisbon had just shy of 10,000 slaves. That was equivalent to roughly 10 percent of the city’s population. In 1620 there were just over 10,000 slaves in a city with a population of some 143,000. In the first half of the eighteenth century, the proportion was 22,500 in 150,000 residents. Anthropologist Didier Lahon reckons that from the second half of the fifteenth century to 1761, when new slave arrivals were banned, around 400,000 slaves were brought to Portugal. Almost all were Africans, though some came from kingdoms around the Indian Ocean and Arabian Sea.

>>212867176
No, gold boosted iberian migration, but they were already here by considerable numbers.

how different would the Americas be if they had remained European & Native like they initially were?

>>212867588
>What personal incentive is there in creating another Portugal?
Not being Spain's backyard? Napoleon? More land and resources? Idk anon

>>212878778
Might be a litt- very utopian but gift economy sounds based

>>212880737
The Pink Map was nothing more than a dream. But sounds based, imagine an African Brazil, oh wait-

>>212866424 (OP)
>I-Is that... A place without niggers??? AHHHHHHH I'M GOING INSANE, BRING ALL OF THEM RIGHT NOW, I NEED TYRONE WITH ME

>>212880737
>>212881597
>could we just make the perfectly logical conclusion to our colonial ambitions in africa that would benefit literally everyone except a small clique of international interests?
>perfidious albion: no
Oldest allies my butt

>>212881597
The main reason Pink Map failed was because Portuguese niggas didn't have enough population for a large scale colonization there
Had they received all the slaves from Brazil they would have at least a million culturally aligned people who spoke the same language, giving them more leverage against Britoids
Would've been a win win for both places. Africa would certainly be much better now

>>212881620
Imagine if he looked in the mirror

>>212866424 (OP)
It gave us a cool mechanic to use in EUIV, worth it.

Portugal and Spain benefited immensely. The Brits got some sugar and timber, that’s about it.

>>212881597
>>212881639
>>212881781
honestly, this sounds like a cool alterane history bit... was there any flag? probably not

>>212881781
the reason the pink map failed was because of the reason it didn't happen - british interference. none of this fantasy you're coming up with.

>>212866424 (OP)
I am serious when I say that I can't think of anything the Iberians did during their supposed "golden age"
>Miguel de Cervantes
Ah, right. I guess we are left with Portugal which they did....

>>212881541
The already had access to the land and resources, if anything slavery made it easier to exploit the resources, no European would have wanted to work on the plantations. And as for as Spain in concerned, there only so many people Portugal can send overseas without making itself even more vulnerable, after all the influx of people to Brazil during the gold rush worried the government.

>>212881945
Spread Catholicism

That's better than any other empire did

>>212881945
butthurt resentido indio

>>212877449
VGH i wanna live in a Luso-Tupi Brazil, imagine 100 million Kuriminhas

>>212881945
They were grifted by the Church and every single European country

The creation of rum was well worth the back breaking slavery.

>>212881914
Brits called it fiction and didn't respect Portuguese claims because Portugal had no people inland sticking mostly to coastal settlements
Of course the problem was lack of people

>>212877449
>Brazil is now mostly white European and native
so just like every country in latin america

>>212882029
>Of course the problem was lack of people
No, we could've just manned it with the military lto take it by force ike we planned, there doesn't need to be a significant resident base for it to happen just like the anglos didn't have one. They then laid out an ultimatum and fucked us over.

>>212866887
fucking brütal

>>212881945
Retard.

>>212882126
True, they made Brazil.

>>212882054
>we could've
No. Portugal really wanted but just couldn't have it
Your national anthem was literally made as a reaction to the humiliation lol
https://youtu.be/YOTScYuVwtg

>>212882197
>Portugal really wanted but just couldn't have it
Because of the ultimatum. We figured it there would be more to lose than to gain because of it. It's not that we physically or logistically couldn't.

>>212882029
the problem was that britain was the mightiest empire the world had ever seen and portugal was a tiny country who couldn't muster a fifth of the military power the brits could. none of this "coulda woulda" fantasy.

>>212882220
The ultimatum came after the Berlin conference and was based on the fact Portugal had no effective occupation of the interior lands. Simple as
The Cape to Cairo plan could've been negotiated with diplomacy since both countries were allies. It's just that Portuniggas had no leverage
>>212882232
A tiny country country that was able to push up a lot heavier above its weight. At least during the colonial era

>>212882351
You know what, I was arguing in circles, you're right. We only figured it wouldn't be worth it to break the ultimatum because it would be too big a strain on resources.

>>212882460
>it wouldn't be worth it
It costed you the monarchy and everything that came after it ended

>>212879338
No one was getting sent back, You would be transporting millions across a war-torn south to ports, trying to fix as many on board as possible, and sending them off to a place that doesn't have the infrastructure to support that many people, known for deadly diseases that even killed Black, and governed by an Americo-Liberian elite that might not want anything to do with these new arrivals. It would be a death march in all but name.

>>212881620
Kekaroo.
Euros are still like this even today.
>>212876930
Why are wh*tes always like this tho