Thread 212897557

I genuinely believe Indians are a race with a lot of potential but they have fallen from grace and are currently living in a dark age
No I'm not Indian and this is not a shitpost in any sense

india has some incredibly diverse and unique cultural aspects but im not too fond of them ecause of the usual stuff and their hindu nazi government

I respect their ancient past but ever since the Britisherznits been constant L after L for them up to the present day

I think reading Hindu timline, Kali Yuga is pretty much what india currently is. I mean you can't keep being Utopia if it's unchecked right?

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Well, it was inevitable. Indians may have had a talent for art, but not for warfare. In the medieval period, they lost their homeland to relatively small groups of Muslim invaders during the Delhi Sultanate era. Along the way, they lost much of their native Hindu culture, which became deeply influencedeven overshadowed by Islamic customs.

The once open and expressive cultural attitude toward sexuality, which was treated as both art and ritual, gradually declined. What replaced it was a rigid, repressive version of Neo-Hinduism sterile, conservative, and far removed from the creative spirit that once defined ancient India

Those buildings were built by Indus Valley people who later became Sarmatians who in turn became Slavs. Modern India is too brownified by Dravidians to built things like this, if they are to RETVRN they must be Aryanized by Slavic cocks

>>212897557 (OP)
Brahmincel and Vayshyacel rule ruined India

>>212901236
>>212897745
>>212897644
India didn't fall due to warfare or occupation. In fact, India is so fucking massive that it's occupiers barely had an effect on its culture - the mughals had virtually no state capacity, most of india was basically an anarchy during their rule. And the British barely had any impact on india either.

It's entirely due to demographic collapse of the country, a slow death over 2000 years. Excessive welfare and doles for the poor led to massive overpopulation among the lowest castes, absolute morons who aren't capable of doing anything other than sweeping floors or stirring a pot. it's a problem that is now unsolvable and has effectively doomed the country permanently.

India was the first country to have a public hospital - An ancient greek diplomat Megastenes talks about this in his text Indica. Back during the time of Jesus India was giving its poorest citizens free food and healthcare.

During that same time the UK was killing its weakest and most retarded every single year, continuously. The king made begging illegal in the UK. Criminals had their heads cut off and displayed on gates of the london bridge.

We now see the effects.

>>212897557 (OP)
They throw trash in a river they say it's sacred to them.

>>212901619
>India didn't fall due to warfare or occupation

BULLSHIT! India experienced centuries of military conquest and foreign rule, which had deep and lasting effects on its social, political, and economic structures.

The Delhi Sultanate and the Mughal Empire both reshaped large parts of northern and central India, and the British Raj imposed systemic changes across the entire subcontinent. These weren’t just passing occupations.

>The Mughals had virtually no state capacity. India was basically an anarchy

BULLSHIT! Mugals ran a sophisticated taxation apparatus (the Mansabdari system), maintained records, funded massive infrastructure and patronized the arts and sciences. At its peak under Akbar and Aurangzeb, the Mughal state controlled a vast, complex, and highly governed territory. Claiming it was <anarchy> is historical revisionism bordering on ignorance.

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I mean, Modern Hinduism bears little resemblance to the open, artistic, and spiritually liberal culture that once defined ancient India. What was once a civilization that celebrated sexuality through temple art and saw eroticism as part of sacred ritual has, over centuries of Islamic domination, morphed into a far more repressive, conservative version of itself. The long period of Mughal rule didn’t just reshape India’s political landscape.

it left deep scars on its cultural identity, introducing puritanical attitudes toward sex, gender, and morality that were foreign to Vedic or classical Hindu traditions.

The result is a kind of <Neo-Hinduism> one that carries the external symbols of the past but has internalized many of the restrictive values brought in from outside. In many ways, modern Hinduism is a hybrid, shaped as much by centuries of Islamic influence as by its own native roots and the vibrant, sensuous ethos of ancient India has largely been forgotten. Sad!

>>212897557 (OP)
the indians from 500 BC are not the indians who shit in the streets today
just like the egyptians who built the pyramids were not ugly niggers like the jews want you to think

I had the same thoughts.
This current times could be their middle age, a renaissance it's incoming
India will heal, but not in our lifetime

>>212901619
India is a country of the lower castes who have no culture but being lower caste. that is really what breaks their neck. their people have no sense of progress or development which the upper stratum of society would usually instill through education or labor in the lower strata. In India even Brahmins have been slowly dalit-ified to a point where today no one really does anything. They work to a certain point, barely passing the bar, and then haggle for the rest of their lives for scraps. The best haggler gets the best scraps.

>>212901236
>The once open and expressive cultural attitude toward sexuality, which was treated as both art and ritual, gradually declined. What replaced it was a rigid, repressive version of Neo-Hinduism sterile, conservative, and far removed from the creative spirit that once defined ancient India
Yeah, there are Sansrit plays and books involving bawdy humor with the gods and today, Hindus will go into an Islam tier rage if you don't depict gods the "right" way. It's amazing.

>>212897557 (OP)
its a case of failure to govern, low class low trust behavior is not harshly punished by the authorities in india which creates a chain reaction drowning the whole of society in shit (morally and sometimes literally).
india can be fixed by extreme policing against even the smallest offenses

>>212897557 (OP)
Indians learned architecture and sculpting from the Greeks.

>>212897557 (OP)
I'm not sure modern Indians are the same people as those who ruled the Indus Valley civilisation. Modern India barely touches the same location, and the holy Ganges runs in the opposite direction entirely

India is literally a post-apocalypse

>>212901642
That's a sign of a culture that has stopped giving a shit/has been demoralized, but they clearly have a history that proves they can organize themselves and achieve great things

>>212897557 (OP)
Unironically, the Aryan theory is true and theirs are gone.

>>212909952
Mauryan architecture and art has Hellenistic influences, but your statement is not true. It was more of an internal development, than a foreign influence.

>>212897557 (OP)
read spengler it's over for them

>>212911467
they have been throwing themselves under chariots for 2000 years

>>212904850
Nope its never coming back. The vast majority of "Indians" alive today have nothing to do with India. And they have nearly completely assumed the identity with their numbers alone. There are no Indians left on this Earth. We are staring into another Egypt. Sub 70 IQ retards living under the shadow of their past. 100% failure of having castes as the primary social differentiator.

Even in this thread i can see about eight different jeet NPC lines

>saaaar the muslims made us conservative
>saaaar the britishers made us poor
>saaaar it was the brahmins who made us stupid
>saaaar it was the dalits who made us stupid

Simple fact is being a great civilisation in the 6th century BCE has almost no bearing on what your nation will be like 2600 years later.

Britain has gone from the greatest civilsation on earth to a shithole within 120 years, in 1000 years time the word Britain will be meaningless as Sumer or Ancient Egypt

>>212912979
as almost if civilizations come and go, I guess China and Japan are the exception

>>212913077
China is still quite poor though especially considering they used to be the center of civilisation like Egypt

>>212913171
China is huge, if you srink it down to coastal area, it's another Japan 2.

wasn't all the impressive stuff built by mughals?

>>212910271
Weren't the Indus valley civilization people closely related to Dravidians and moved on into central India?

>>212913253
Nothing posted in this thread is Mughal.

>>212912851
non-brahmin hindus must be culled

>>212909319
they had breast implants 1000s of years ago?

>>212897557 (OP)
The problem is that there are 2 billion of them and they all think that they're the top 1% of Indians.

>>212913837
Well modern plastic surgery did begin in India

https://journals.lww.com/prsgo/fulltext/2024/04000/sushruta__the_father_of_indian_surgical_history.4.aspx

but I don't think they had breast implants then! Anciet Indian women had big boobs, I guess.

>>212913423
I thought Dravidians were the really dark ones that resemble abbos. I can't imagine them doing anything impressive

>>212912979
it was never even a great civilisation though
name one important thing jeets invented

>>212915591
Look at the statewise GDP per capita map of India.

>>212912979
True. America (and the West, by proxy) is on her last legs. This is the Chinese Century now.

>>212915784
That's interesting. I assumed by how they looked that they were closely related to Australian aborigines, and those people are retarded. So I'm pleasantly surprised

>>212915807
>Chinese Century now
fucking hell we got ah sans shilling for china now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7TNP2OTY2g

>>212915862
You might find this interesting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elamo-Dravidian_languages
Sumerians were also described as having curly hair and dark skin.

>>212901619
This is very interesting. Where can I read up more on this, anon?

>>212915784
The GOAN BVLL wins again

>>212915591
>>212915862
Dravidians had their own civilizations e.g. the Chola Empire. When you see Indian influences in South East Asia e.g. names, languages, architecture e.g. Ankgor Wat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_architecture and general culture, it's because of the dark skinned Dravidians and not the lighter skinned north Indians.

>>212915726
Iron working, sugar, ear and nose surgery, cotton cultivation and much more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_inventions_and_discoveries

>>212916201
It's not just their skin colour that had me confused, but their curly hair and low brows made me think they were more closely related to aboriginal Australians, but I was mistaken.

>>212916653
I believe it. I made a wrong assumption. It's definitely something worth looking into

>>212913474
brahmin hindus must be culled.

>>212917612
Very cool.

>>212909319
>even back then nipples are too spicy

>>212912979
>Britain has gone from the greatest civilsation on earth to a shithole within 120 years
if the UK is a shithole every country on earth should pray to be a shithole

how do you cope knowing that the UK leads the world in AI research, most fundamental sciences, is the financial capital of the world, has THE greatest city on earth, etc?

>>212897557 (OP)
I don't have any negative opinion towards Indians. They are resourceful and smart people. I was just watching a tutorial that requires simple hand tools from an Indian.

>>212897557 (OP)
The question ive always asked is why Buddhism was embraced by basically all of Asia while being practically forgotten in its homeland of India.

>>212917986
>financial capital of the world
I thought NYC was?

>>212901619
Isnt english the most commonly spoke language in hindoostan asides hindi? I remember reading that most indian textbooks are in english too kek

>>212901236
The subcontinent has fallen

>>212902204
Interdasting. Never knew there was complexity to jeets

>>212897557 (OP)
I don’t know why people resort to genetics to explain buildings like these while everytime I looked them up, they were usually 500 year old and the Aryan invasion happened thousands of years ago.
>>212912979
This seems to be true.

>>212897557 (OP)
ajanta and ellora genuinely made me VGH irl when i was there

>>212918047
They decided in favor of an insane religion revolving around cargo cult practices
>Wash yourself in the Ganga for cleanliness
>It's a river of sewage, but they still do it
>>212897557 (OP)
Hinduism needs to be culled. Or at least make a Catholic like church with sole authority over it's ruling to squash the disgusting habits out of it. The plague if this insane religion is holding back India. The worst part is they've built their entire identity around it.

>>212917612
Markarth irl

>>212897557 (OP)
indian population these days is completely subhuman and unregulated, plus they enjoy slop for low iq "people" like gutterwood and cucket
there's no place in a pajeet's mind to appreciate appealing art
if you want to experience hinduism, better visit south east asian countries that practice hinduism infinitely better than pajeets
you will see better hindu architecture and art
they have beautiful statues of hindu deities unlike the pajeet's idea of statue, which is likely some grotesque imagery intentionally built to be big so that it instills fake pride in the jeet's head

still on the fence regarding the indian question, I really need to travel there to make up my mind

>>212901619
>saar lower caste is bad saar
white people constantly complain how your kind are the worst to work with
clearly, you high caste shitskins aren't capable of doing anything either

>>212920383
honestly, this is the only correct option right now
hinduism is just a disgusting dirty religion
the country will be better when people are all part of one religion and everyone is judged for their appearance and intelligence only
as you can already see, hinduism is the core reason why the people aren't united
the high caste shitskins constantly scheme and scam against their own, then blame the lower castes for everything while enjoying lavish lives in the west as secular-liberal, but also chime in occasionally to convince the white people that only the lower castes are the reason india is a shithole
this is something that everyone around the world needs to know and i'm gonna do everything in my power to spread it
you don't see this shitty (pun intended) mentality in literally any other religious group
hindus are subhuman scammers, they scheme against their own intentionally because they see it as morally correct thing to do, and then they wonder why their beloved motherland is a complete shithole

>>212920312
The Ajanta peeps knew how to draw better than the Mughals who came long afterwards desu

>>212919909
Yeah, Aryans were long intermixed by the time all this came about

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>>212920522
But a religion whose entire philosophy is decided by a bunch of appointed men and which is run like a business loses some of its SOVL does t not? Besides, Catholics have their own cargo cult stuff like stigmata and Marian apparations. But not a bad suggestion, it would improve Hinduisms image (and also India's)


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>>212921318
VGH

>>212920402
Are the foresworn dalits

Everything good in India was created by blonde Aryans who swept into the north 4000 years ago.

Had they adopted a policy of depopulation, India today would be as White as Russia at least.

>>212920522
Hinduism needs to be burned to the ground. Unfortunately indians have only two identifies. Hindu and rich. And even the rich like to larp as Hindu when it suits them.
>>212921318
What soul
Modern Hinduism involves walking barefoot into a filthy template and performing bizzare rituals. Don't even get me started on the shit eating stuff.

Brahmin blaming problems on Dalits are a retarded, but there is some truth in that dumb people are the norm in India. Like the average IQ is literally ~75-80. And it shows. You need an iron hand of enlightened people to tell them how to live.

>>212915726
You are a complete historylet. And I say this as someone who regularly makes fun of modern jeets.
Please pick up a book, I'm not going to spoon feed you.

>>212912851
Is there a single shred of evidence for our image?

>>212921603
name a single worthwhile invention in the same league as paper or cars, i'll wait
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>>212921338
bro this is not impressive, indians have a gigantic population giving them excess manpower to build these things
>>212917612
structures like these are just pure eyesores like those disgusting gothic cathedrals in europe

>>212921742
The number 0. Any more questions, overconfident brainlet boy who needs to read more?

>>212921523
It's true that modern Indians have lost all sense of aesthetics. Imagine going from the dynamism of this to that huge ugly statue of that old man standing stiffly and staring at nothing like a dope.
>>212921742
See here>>212916653

>>212922136
how do invent zero, that's like sayng you invented electricity, 0 is just a gloss, try again

>>212922425
Try again in English this time, ESL brainlet.

>>212922389
these are like developments in agriculture man
i need like a wow factor

>>212922451
how do you invent zero, that's like saying you invented electricity, 0 is just a symbol, try again

>>212897557 (OP)
Recently I learned about the Mughal Empire and found it interesting to notice some similarities with Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth
>big country and regional power
>destabilization because of local politics and intrigues
>economy struggles to finance the state
>starts to lose control of its borderlands and neighbours invade
>finally disintegrates

>>212922514
Just because you're too stupid to understand the invention of a mathematical concept does not mean it didn't happen. And it happened in the Indian subcontinent.

>>212922769
>The concept of using a symbol to denote the absence of a value in a number system appeared in ancient civilizations like the Babylonians and Mayans.
like i said you can't invent zero lmao

>>212922425
Zero" is not just the idea of 'nothing' but a mathematical symbol formalized in India as a number usable in calculations

This enabled the development of positional notation, which is central to modern number systems. Turning a philosophical concept into a functional system was an act of creative invention, not mere discovery.
It's like the difference between noticing lightning and inventing electrical circuits. India did the latter

>>212922925
Anon, have you gotten diagnosed for autism yet? I'm pretty sure there are numerous governmental benefits for that in your country. This is a serious suggestion if you haven't already done so.

>>212922995
jeets assigned a symbol to the idea of zero, that's literally it, stop over exaggerating
>>212923069
jeets basically gave nothing a name lmao
that's what you replied to me as a worthwhile invention

>>212923171
What they truly did was treat zero as a number in its own right, with defined arithmetic rules (like 0 + 2 = 2), and embed it into a positional numeral system, enabling efficient computation and abstract math

Before that, like the Romans or Greeks had no consistent way to represent or operate with zero, which limited their math.

So no this wasn’t just assigning a symbol
It was the birth of modern numerical thought

>>212923472
He's a troll. Ignore him.

>>212923558
The typical "I was only pretending to be retarded" shtick, I know. It's funny because no amount of pretending will make him NOT actually retarded in reality.

>>212923472
assigning a symbol makes it easier/possible for computation but you cannot invent zero itself
>>212923558
any rebuttals or you can't accept that your people never invented anything worthwhile despite having trillions of people

>>212923633
bro i'm being full srs, you literally cannot invent zero like you can't invent one, 5 and V are the literal same thing with different symbols

>>212897557 (OP)
True, when are they coming back into grace?

>>212897557 (OP)
We havent fallen from grace lmaooo

4th largest economy, 4th most powerful military force, young fertile population.

Every nation needs Indian people

Still Dharmic still stronger than ever.

>>212923652
You're confusing recognizing a concept with formalizing it into a usable system.
Yes, the idea of "nothing" existed. but zero as a number, with rules for arithmetic, did not exist until it was formalized in India.

Without that formalization without a symbol, a place in the number system, and defined operations you literally cannot compute with it.
So no, they didn’t just "label" something they created the conditions under which math with zero became possible, and that's what invention means.

>>212923694
Cope.

>>212923810
>zero as a number, with rules for arithmetic, did not exist until it was formalized in India
this is very hard to believe
>>212923810
>you literally cannot compute with it.
that's not the point tho, americafag said jeets invented zero which is not the case, whether the assigning of a symbol then enables for computation with it is irrelevant, the fact is you cannot invent zero

>>212923876
>amerifag jeetboo: indians invented zero n shiieet
>me: no
>amerifag jeetbooh: y-you're retarded
lmao

>>212924007
Cope.

>>212923964
That’s understandable. it feels obvious now, because we all grew up using 0.

But let’s look at actual history

1. The Romans had no symbol or concept of zero.
Try writing 204 in Roman numerals. You can't there's no "0"

2. Greek mathematics, though advanced, never used zero as a number.
They saw it more as a philosophical void, not a computational entity

3. Babylonians had placeholder marks but didn't treat zero as a number you could add or subtract.

4. Then Invented in 5th-century India (Given a symbol "0")

Now
>Treated as a number that participates in arithmetic (e.g, 0 + x = x),
>Embedded into positional notation (like how 204 = 2×100 + 0×10 + 4×1).

So yes before India, zero as a number with arithmetic rules did not exist. It wasn’t just "hard to find" it literally didn’t function in math.

>>212924180
let this be a lesson to you, it don't pay to be a jeetboo
despite having a bajillion more people than the rest of the world for thousands of years they literally couldn't come up with a single worthwhile invention for you a jeetboo to reference
>>212924279
cool history lesson man, learned alot

here's the thing 0 symboling would allow for the unlocking of maths previously gated by the non symboling but that just naturally follows on from the symboling so i still don't think 0 is an impressive invention

>>212924536
Cope :)

>>212923799
Your birthrates are below replacement which shows you got the liberal brainrot as well. It’s only downhill from here.

>>212924601
fucking hell i have absolutely broken your mental state

>>212922136
So they literally invented nothing?

>>212924717
Cope :^)

Last bump

>>212897557 (OP)
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