Thread 212901802

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I tip 10% at sit down restaurants and never tip anywhere else

>>212901802 (OP)
do americans really?

>>212901802 (OP)
>85% of the waiter salary is paid by the customer restaurant owner in the US eating good

>>212901802 (OP)
>Tips Are What Percent of Their Salary?
>85-100%
Uhhhh what the fuck?

>>212902018
>>212902020
Waiters can be paid below minimum wage in the USA, so they rely on tips.

>>212901802 (OP)
>if you have a coupon, tip on the pre-coupon price
fucking lol Then what was the point of the coupon?

>>212902078
Maybe waiters should vote for a minimum wage for themselves rather than sending their taxes to Israel?

>>212902078
well yeah, that's why I said restaurant owner is eating good
although I had not wanted to greentext that part

>>212902018
>>212902020
I used to be anti-tipping but the crazy thing is everyone literally prefers this system

1) the waiter prefers this because they take home more money
2) the restaurant owner prefers it costs less to run a restaurant
3) even the restaurant guests prefer it because there is actually aligned incentive for the waiter to give a fuck about serving you

>>212902165
>3) even the restaurant guests prefer it because there is actually aligned incentive for the waiter to give a fuck about serving you
I do not like tipping, I don't even care if my food is late. As long as it doesn't have spit or hair on it, I'm fine with the service.

>>212902165
>there is actually aligned incentive for the waiter to give a fuck about serving you
Here in Europe, that's called working for a wage, that's the waiter's incentive to do a good job, getting a wage.

>>212901802 (OP)
>waiter
i round up
>delivery
2 euros
>takeout
lol
>bartender
nope
>barista
not a fag
>cab driver
i only use bolt and no i don't tip
>valet
i wouldn't do valet parking in the first place
>hotel bellman
no clue what the fuck that is, but no
>apartment doorman
what?
>barber
lol no they already scam me enough

>>212902153
Why would waiters vote to lower their income?

>>212901802 (OP)
>Even if the service sucks, never go below 15%

>>212902165
this but i heard murricans tip at drivethrus and kiosks these days

>>212902165
The consumer (99% of people) hate it, or should hate it if they were not browbeaten and socially pressured into stockholm syndrom tolerating it.

>>212902255
Don't waiters have to resort to living off of tips because their minimum wage is too low?

On the same note, tipping reminds me of corruption. When the system is broken in low trust societies, the only way to ensure vital services (police, medical etc.) work as intended is to grease the palm of the service provider. Bit of a stretch to apply this to tipping your waiter, maybe, but not that much.

>>212902349
You're severely underestimating how much they earn in tips.

>>212902428
So why do they bitch every time customers don't pay tips?

>>212902153
wow, cool it with the antisemitism

>>212902453
Because they rely on it to make bank. But if the consumer is brainwashed enough it's a once in a blue moon kind of thing i.e their income is not really affected. The sucker in that system is always the consumer.

>>212902165
In any other type of situation the point 3 is dealt by consumers not returning to places with bad service. That's the incentive to do a good service.

I don't know about the point 1. If I was a waiter I would want a more stable and reliable income source instead of my boss pocketing the entire profits and treating me essentially like an outsorced worker who needs to rely on the good will of extorted clients paying twice.

So this whole scheme only seems to benefit the restaurant owner in point 2

>>212902078
>>212902153
No, if the amount of tips that waiters get is under the minimum wage, then the employer is required to make up the difference so that they make at least the minimum wage.

>>212902725
So why the fuck do customers subsidies the operating costs of restaurant owners, on top of paying for the meals and drinks?

>>212902767
Well, it's basically like >>212902165 said, plus most people don't know this, and it's also just been ingrained into American culture for so long at this point to tip your waiters/waitresses.

>>212902722
>I don't know about the point 1. If I was a waiter I would want a more stable and reliable income source instead of my boss pocketing the entire profits and treating me essentially like an outsorced worker who needs to rely on the good will of extorted clients paying twice.

any suggestion to stop the practice of tipping will be met with death threats in the USA by waiters. They FUCKING LOVE tips. you have to realize that at nice restaurants waiters can easily clear 100k ALL CASH compensation in the USA. and at mid tier restaurants waiters easily can make 60-70k, as a job that requires no real skill or training.

>>212902165
>>212903179
I can understand their point of view, but from MY point of view there's no reason to pay 20% more than due. If the customers united to only pay the price that would be a good step forward.

>>212903179
Propose to raise wages until they are equal to their income with tips, but now stable and for every single worker. Will this be met with the same death threats?

>>212902153
when I was in highschool I worked at a somewhat nice restaurant (think $25 plates back in 2011-2012). I bussed tables and made $4.15 an hour but got 1% of the non alcohol restaurant sales during my work hours as a tipout. I ended up making ~$22/hr on a regular night, sometimes as high as $30/hr on special nights like valentines or mothers/fathers day. I never had to actually interact with people and I got free food every night I worked.

It was the best job I could have had as a highschooler. Thinking back I feel like I was overpaid.