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>Ask questions about your target language!
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>Make frens!

Read the wiki:
https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

Useful links:
>Free language‐learning book archive:
https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw
>Books on linguistics and language courses:
https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ
>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:
https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua
>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:
https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH
>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec
>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by family
https://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/
>/lang/ inpoot torrents
https://rentry.org/inpoot
>Refold Anki decks
https://rentry.org/refold

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>>212838189

I have begun to hate women in my TL language now that I understand it

Which language is he learning?

>>212907185
isn't this the faggot singer from Pentatonix?

>>212907104 (OP)
The OP is simply garbage

>>212907233
thanks, I posted it myself

>>212907225
It's a genre of man, there are a lot of them.

>>212907185
Probably his wife's language so he can talk to the in-laws when they visit.

>>212907125
I have begun to like women in my TL even more now that I understand it

But I heard a japanese woman saying she had a thing for white guys until she became good at english and could understand them and then she lost all attraction to them

I need a blueprint for language learning.
I am interested in German, French, Italian or Japanese if that matter
Should I use Anki or not? If I should, should I repeat aloud or remain silent? Does the input always have to be understandable, or is it enough that I become familiar with the sounds of my TL? Because I have many hours in Japanese, Italian, and French because I listened to a lot of music in those languages, I watched movies and anime. Should I check new sounds in my TL or not with these tutorials on YT? If so, should I repeat new sounds aloud or not?

>>212907671
i wonder if there's a group that gets more attractive when foreigners learn their native language

and vice versa

>>212907739
Always choose a language based on how much you can use it.

also you already messed up by fucking around in them. Permanent damage. Pick a different language. ALG is reality.

>>212907185
French

>>212907739
learn Quechua

>>212907739
Try shit and figure it out on your own. Stop procrastinating.

Just imagine yourself learning Russian, yes russian, that fucking disgusting, nasty, putrid language. fucking inserting it into your brain. Having that goblin speak inscripted inside your memory.
Now imagine people doing that deliberately to themselves.What have the world come to?

>>212907343
https://youtu.be/TQhyDYQ081U

>>212908055
Do you even enjoy learning languages?

>>212909546
who gives a fuck about enjoying it? stop acting like a child or a woman.

>>212909584
I'm not going to spend 3000 hours doing something I don't enjoy

Can someone explain to me what makes “Refold” meaningfully different from just doing a frequency deck, a bunch of input, and then mining?

It just sounds like some YouTuber took the combined work of the AJATTers, slapped a proprietary paint job on it, and started charging cash.

>>212909584
I can guarantee that you are a scared little guy with a high pitched voice and no chest hair. No one else ever says shit like this

>>212909761
Absolutely nothing. Nothing new under the sun.

i have a constant problem of getting autistically obsessed with a country/culture, deciding to learn their language, then dropping it as soon as i become autistically obsessed with another country/culture.

i am currently fighting the urge to learn turkish because i read a book about ataturk. there are mandarin, russian, burmese, welsh and japanese books in my drawer.

>>212909761
Nothing, they're just trying to bring immersion learning to a more casual audience. The guide that Matt wrote has always been free, they only charge for the decks and their coaching program. They also have some 30-day course for the people that really want to be spoon-fed and get advice and feedback every step of the way, but they're not selling any "secrets" that aren't already in the public guide. Their latest focus is on building a language learning habit tracking app to help people stay consistent and do the work.

The method is indeed just watered down AJATT, but the community surrounding it is pretty good, there's some good resources and SLA discussion on the discord servers.

>>212907185
Definitely japanese

bump

Any textbook recommendations for spanish conjugation and/or grammar?
I immerse myself with videos and flashcards, but struggle to form grammatically correct sentences.
I also want a physical textbook to take notes in while I study.

>>212909667
You're not going to do very much with your life then.

>>212913117
Linguno for conjugation practice

>>212913228
trvke dropped

>>212913228
I enjoy what I do
Sorry if you don't

>>212913351
Thank you, I'm trying this out now.

>>212909584
Post max bench or conventional deadlift.

>>212910366
Nothing wrong with that. As soon as you accept that it’s a matter of joy and not a bad thing then what’s the problem? You just like having wide knowledge of the world.

Maybe try dropping literally all other languages except one to focus on and limit your engagement/expectations of learning other languages with new cultures to just learning the phonetics and some phrases.

>>212909761
Nobody, literally nobody, talked about ALG or Refold before your schizo ass turned up here and started shitting everywhere about muh damage, listen to 9000 hours of baby cartoons, muh Brown. You only ever post in English, interestingly enough.

Il y en a du monde ici qui veulent apprendre le Français? Je suis courant, peut être je pourrais vous donner des conseils utiles d'un perspective anglais premier-langue.

>>212914403
The fact that you have permanent damage does not go away by name-calling.

>>212914579
I see you haven't actually learnt any languages, youve just come along to become a resident thread eceleb/schizo like Jordie. At least he was funny.
But anyway at least you found the secret sauce to language learning. Just listen to children TV slop for 2 years straight. Why arent the universities teaching this?

>>212914403
Who the hell do you think I am baka?!

>>212914692
https://www.auathailand.org/en/

https://www.dreamingspanish.com/

there's nothing to teach really. it's just some rules and a native speaker talking to you about stuff in a very visual CI way for like 600-800 hours

>>212915049
another visual CI service for japanese

https://cijapanese.com/

>>212915092
someone trying to do an ALG series for Thai but aren't the original AUA program

https://www.youtube.com/@ComprehensibleThai

>>212915049
This is a great way and all to learn a language but it is sped up immensely by some light Anki mining (but this will damage you according to ALGfags)

How easy is it actually to learn other latinx languages if you're already fluent in one?

I'm fluent in french and I keep hearing it would be fairly easy for me to learn Spanish and Italian etc

>>212914692
desu i'm not trying to be some eceleb on a barely alive 4chan thread. i'm just buying into ALG. it simply makes sense. i never hear people with good accents and fluent speech. maybe the reasons ALG talks about are why. it's really convincing.

everybody already agrees with ALG on certain things, like early output being bad. it's just this extra stuff
- trying to analyze it
- reading
- any form of traditional studying

that people seem to have a problem with, but there are a lot of good reasons given by these ALG proponents as to why those things are bad in the beginning.

>>212915227
yeah, and i think they're right. i hear all of the time people say stuff like "i used flashcards but i can't ever understand or use the words in practice" and "there's no context so i don't really know it" or w/e. that's like a meme at this point.

>>212907185
French or Spanish

>>212915307
>yeah, and i think they're right. i hear all of the time people say stuff like "i used flashcards but i can't ever understand or use the words in practice" and "there's no context so i don't really know it" or w/e. that's like a meme at this point.
Sure, learning it through repeated exposure is better, but in the beginning, when you know nothing at all, you basically either have to use Anki or suffer hundreds of hours of ALG baby talk before you can graduate to shows for small children. You won't perfectly understand it because of Anki, but you'll have at least a faint idea of what's going on.

>>212915316
Faroese. French and Spanish are unimaginative normie languages.

Challenge:
>Easy:
It's over, give up.
I will never be fluent.
Why did I even learn this language.
>Medium:
Sometimes I want to go back in life, and tell the past me never to pick up that stupid book.
Look at all the fleeting moments if i would've used my time not learning this language.
So i have followed you guys' advices on learning methods and I can not safely conclude that I have wasted my time on snake oil.
>Hard:
20 page essay on the effect of language learning on the human race and how you would've spent your time better if you weren't stuck gooning to peppa pig or something

>>212915307
Well yeah, anki is a grind. I only was able to knuckle down for like 3 weeks before I got exhausted and bored with Japanese at 20 per day. But in that time I familiarized myself with like half the words I would ever see in a given sentence. I think in the long term doing something minimal like 5 words a day maximum, really targeting mining words that matter to me personally, that I will remember the context of, will really level up ease/consistency and be less distracting from my input.

More than that, I think keeping one’s anki really spartan, and actually mining from your input day one, is probably really helpful since you have context for the words from your memory.

>>212909145
imagine ejecting spaghetti straight out of your nostrils

>>212915463
Okay, then it's time to get over it and go googoogaga mode for a little while, or accept that you'll never have a good L2 ability.

it's probably only 100 hours of that at most anyway. once you understand all of that, you can move on to adult stuff. it's not even a big deal. you just have to go through it and then you're better off forever.

>>212915624
but you've learned them, not acquired them. you learned them using your native language. you cannot become fluent this way.

>>212915514
>Easy:
that which you say is dead hasn't yet had the chance to be born-paraphrased scatman john
never give up
porque mi aprendar eso idioma
i often want to go back to support reading more books from the library
mi ofte volas revenos por subteni legi pli libroj de la biblioteko
>Look at all the fleeting moments if i would've used my time not learning this language.
Visi ce cio la malaperaj momentoj se me uzis mi tempo ne lernas ci-tio lingvo
>So i have followed you guys' advices on learning methods and I can not safely conclude
that I have wasted my time on snake oil.
do mi sekvis via konsiloj por learnajn metodojn kaj mi nepovas konkludi mi
perdis(lost/'malsxparita' wasted..) mi tempon por sperpenta oleo
gi estas laboron en progreso

>>212915838
No, I actually tried doing ALG in Japanese for about 165 hours, and although my understanding is a lot better and the language is slightly more complex, it's still not enough to understand shows for little kids. I know 165 hours isn't that long, but I just couldn't keep watching the Comprehensible Japanese videos alongside shows like Miffy, I got burnt ou (I was doing like 3 hours daily), and stopped having as much time. I actually haven't been studying Japanese in a while because of this, even though I could theoretically just spend less time on this, like 1 hour daily.

>>212916070
idk, maybe that's because it's japanese, basically the hardest language you could have chosen

>>212916070
By Miffy I meant this channel BTW >>212916106
Yeah, probably. I imagine it's probably on the same level as Thai. It's probably at least double the hours you need for Dreaming Spanish.
https://youtu.be/VUGkgwG5IiE

>>212916163
thai's relatively easy compared to japanese/korean. the grammar is much simpler and less arcane to westerners.

>>212916003
Hey faggot. Notice that I said “familiarized” and not “learned” implying that acquisition would still happen through input. It’s useful having english meanings to associate words with even if you know that it’s just a similar meaning to get you started and help you remember. Stupid fucking nigger.

I fucking hate this website. You can make as narrow a point with as many caveats as possible and people will still aggressively misunderstand it and ignore what you’re saying because no one actually wants to discuss the topic. They just want to complain on an anime forum about their mental illness which they channel into language learning.

Is this "damage your brain's ability to learn TL" shit real? Because I do feel like I damaged my brain's ability to learn French. No other second language really makes much sense for my situation. Can I power through this damage somehow?

>>212915261
Spanish is definitely eaiser than French. But if you study them both, you might end up getting them mixed up because they are so similar. For me, Spanish is the best romance language and one of the best languages to know overall.

>>212918329
no, French is a mental illness in itself, there's no cure

>>212918329
have you put twenty hours into it yet. I mean its fucking french
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign-language_influences_in_English
also factor latin influence on french

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB102n1rjY4
>2025
>2 week old videos of cute korean girls playing broodwar to use for input

>>212915092
cijapanese has a long way to go before it's on par with dreamingspanish. It has 1/5th the content when it should have 3x the content because japanese is so much more difficult.

>>212915624
>Well yeah, anki is a grind. I only was able to knuckle down for like 3 weeks before I got exhausted and bored with Japanese at 20 per day. But in that time I familiarized myself with like half the words I would ever see in a given sentence
No, you didn't, you learned 420 words at most. Even children have a vocabulary around 10000 words.
Language just doesn't work like that, if you go down a frequency list you'll never finish: it's better to reach microfluency one domain at a time.

I get a genuine feeling of anger and disgust every time I hear an english accent. I'll never understand why ESL's want one

>>212919143
english is a tough nut to crack because every native accent sounds ridiculous and/or stupid, so the real meta might be to just never try to sound native in english because sounding foreign is objectively better
maybe not learn english at all though

>>212918329
>"damage your brain's ability to learn TL"
It's bullshit and never will be, keep calm and ignore the wannabe scientist.
If that shit was real I wouldn't be fluent in English or in Japanese seeing as I went against every single advice of their beloved prophet(PBUH) while learning, though it seems the goalpost has recently changed from "you can never learn a language without doing ALG" to "fine you can become fluent but not a superduper fluent badass", whatever the fuck that means.

>>212919330
the chad move is to get an irish accent. I knew a german when I lived in ireland that learned both english and irish there

>>212919143
It's because the English RP accent sounds intelligent and cultured whilst your white Americans accents all sound like whining squealing vocal fried pigs.

>>212914480
Comment as-tu attrapé ton niveau de français ? Je ne fait que regarder de séries et réviser anki, mais ça dure très longtemps et je me démoralise un peau.

>>212919632
fais*

>>212919584
>sounds intelligent and cultured
It's misleading, you're actually retarded alcoholics

>>212919143
>English accent

Which one? There's like 200 different ones.

Which has me thinking:
- America has maybe 100 different accents.
- Australia has maybe 6

The fuck?

>>212919632
J'habitais en France pour trois ans quand j'étais adolescent, et (évidemment) assisté à un collège Français là bas. Quand vous parlez et écoutez la langue tous les jours ça devient une inévitabilité que vous allez devenir courant. Je sais que c'est beaucoup plus difficile quand on est adulte mais il faut essayer de reproduire ce sort d'environnement, ça suffit pas de juste regarder des médias français il faut aussi parler et écrire etc.

>>212919514
based
>>212919514
BASED

>>212919675
Your women disagree, they all love big English cock

>>212915261
Tu vas attraper les bases très rapidement, mais plus les mots sont peu fréquents, plus ils ne vont pas avoir un lien entre français et espagnol.
>>212919732
La vérité est que je parle et écrire français très peu. Mais maintenant ce n'est pas très important pour mois, ce que je veux plus que rien autre est comprendre bien le français. Mais comme j'avais dit, il y a beaucoup de mots qui ne paraissent pas avoir une base latine alors la situation devient plus compliquée.

>>212919839
Ok bon ta priorité c'est de comprendre, mais je pense que ça va devenir beaucoup plus facile à comprendre si tu fais un peu de travail à l'oral (pas comme ça) et à l'écrit. Sinon il y aura toujours des trous dans ta compréhension de la langue.

>>212918329
It's no different than if you learned from a bad source that taught you the wrong words, or incorrect grammar. At worst you have to unlearn and relearn it. Thankfully the brain is capable of doing that, as you would know if you've ever made a mistake doing anything and learned from it.

>>212918392
>you might end up getting them mixed up
Not really worth worrying about unless you plan on speaking early.

>>212919925
C'est peut-être vrai que pratiquer converser et écrire aiderais ma compréhension plus rapide, mais c'est plus pratique pour moi simplement continuer sans le faire, parce que pour chaque heure de pratique avec autres gens, je pouvais faire 100 heures d'input. Rencontre quelqu'un ici qui parle français n'est pas très difficile, mais tout de même normalement je préférais attraper un niveau plus haut avant de pratiquer avec eux.

>>212920058
Je pense que ça sera bien d'au moins essayer d'avoir quelques conversations en français et voir si ça t'aide un peu avec ta démoralisation. Aussi ça me semble que t'as déjà le niveau de compétence suffisant pour commencer à avoir des conversations. Si tu peux le faire à l'écrit tu peux le faire à l'orale (si ton partenaire parle lentement).

>>212920186
Je peux l'essayer, mais je suis sceptique qu'une ou deux heures de conversation va rivaliser plusieurs centaines d'heures d'écouter la langue. Surtout pour apprendre nouveaux mots/phrases, qui me semble être ce que je manque plus.

I think it's fairly amusing that "manga" was already a word in Spanish that meant "sleeve" before the Japanese word "manga" showed up. "La manga" means the sleeve, "el manga" means the Japanese comic.

>>212920494
I think it's fairly amusing that "art" in japanese is "gay jutsu"

>>212920494
yuri was also a russian name before it meant anime lesbian porn

Yuri is also a Japanese name. I wonder if it has a similar humorous status to the name Dick?

bump

>>212924420
süB

>>212907185
Japanese or Korean, to try and groom the underage weebs and koreaboos on discord.
(I dont know who this is, but the moustache is suggesting nonce)

>>212907104 (OP)
I recently finished a C2 Turkish course, so now I'll resume learning Estonian and Sumerian.
I am pretty indecisive about what course to take in my uni though. Options I've been considering are Russian, French, German, Japanese, or Latin. Pretty basic because they don't have other languages I'm interested in.

>Re: thread topic
I've never heard any foreigner who learned Arabic who ever sounded good speaking it. They speak it so strangely.

>>212910366
This is my issue as well. I do not know the cure. I bounce between 3 languages currently - which is better than the 9 from before.

>>212917402
You're literally and unironically just wrong.

Americans be like
Joe hahblow american

>>212919365
>>212919946
You are upset that you caused permanent damage and are taking it out on the messengers. Get over it and stop spamming the thread with your nonsense. Stop trying to fuck up other peoples acquisition because you're a seething faggot.

>>212925257
Wie viele Sprachen kennst du?

>>212925257
>stop spamming the thread with your nonsense

LMAO

YOU are the obsessed faggot spammer. This was a chill general before you decided to become the resident eceleb "shit nobody cares about" shitposter.

You have not uttered a single word in your TL in all this time either. All you do is try to spread your ALG baby cartoon listening cult.

I hope Im not falling for some elaborate bit here where youre just pretending to be a retard.

>ALG fag baiting retards for (You)'s
>Int still falling for it
Bros... Come on. Just ignore the guy.

>>212925832
>>212925881
I wouldn't have to post at all if you stopped baselessly attacking ALG. I suggest you watch the presentation here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4C25550A857F59F0

and you would quickly realize how stupid the typical Refold advice is, and why you don't sound fluent.

>212925953
Why dont you explain why ALG so so inherently superior instead of spamming Youtube links nobody wants to watch?

Also its funny you have some vendetta against Refold, whatever the fuck that is.

Go back to watching childrens cartoons in your TL. All this engaement in English is surely causing some permanent damage.

>>212926037
I and others have already done that multiple times. Your decision to ignore all of those times, or not watch a video, is not my problem.

>>212926096
>I and others have already done that

You and all the other voices in your head?

>>212926037
>explain ALG
>no, i won't watch the video that explains it
ok

let's create a support group for learners whose life was ruined by Russian

>>212925881
The thing is, there's some truth to that. Bad habits become ingrained, muscle memory develops in the mouth, and you can develop bad ones, and Input is also incredibly important. But I do believe it's all reversible.
I struggled with English in school, and a bit of IPA theory helped me (a few sounds; I have no ambitions to be a linguist), and above all, Input. I devoured huge numbers of films in the original, sometimes with English subtitles, during my movefag phase
>>212926161
What's your TL?

>>212925953
ALG is for homos. Refold is for homos. Anki is for homos.

Its all cucked cult mentality type shit. Go sell your fag shit elsewhere. We do not care. We do not want to watch your gaylist.

>how many languages do you know?
>How dare you ask such a question? This is a baseless attack on my methodology! Unacceptable!

>>212926625
>How dare you ask such a question?
We do not actually learn languages here. Anyone who claims they do is lying.
These threads are purely to promote methods (they are not cults we swear) to trick losers into making no progress like us.

>>212926676
The funny thing is, the whole "permanent damage" thing is another word for someone who can speak at least one language, because yout NL is your software for understanding new things. You cannot unlearn your NL and learn as a toddler would by pure immersion. It is pure cult ideology, with us pure enlightened ones in it and the unwashed, permanently damaged savages on the outside.

>>212926962
>You cannot unlearn your NL
I am sure you could with enough force hitting your head in the right place.

>>212920541
lel, it's true

>>212927124
polish should be written in cyrillic

>>212927205
Italian should be written in feces.

>>212927244
you have to go back, янyш

>>212927323
Oh no
Mama mia
Gabagool

What Indian language has the least annoying speakers?

>>212927205
Fuck gayrillic
Total Latin Supremacy

>>212927427
canadian.

>>212925832
>they hated him because he spoke the truth

>>212927427
Tagalog

Imagine how much brain damage he must have by now
Sad

>>212927541
Wait he reads along instead of watching Peppa pig?! Bro is cooked frfr

>>212925115
>I bounce between 3 languages currently
Which ones?

>>212927723
Tagalog, Somailan and Hindi

>>212927786
You gotta be trolling

>>212927723
Danish, Polish and Mandarin

>>212927465
>>212927507
neither of these are indian languages

>>212927941
The joke :3

>>212927990
Do you think language learning is some kind of joke?

>>212927915
Danish seems like the coolest scandinavian language, but unless you wanna move to Denmark, it's kinda useless.

>>212928033
Yeah, which is why I keeping moving between the three.

>>212927786
Holy based

>>212928029
Americans can get pranked xd

>>212928033
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaar

>>212928134
Cool. I imagine mandrin is your main priority?

The holy grail language is Uzbek. It is so beautiful. Their culture is awesome. The people are nice.
Why does Uzbek not get any love in these threads?

>>212928033
All scandinavian languages are useful in all of scandinavia.
They'll joke about being offended if you speak the wrong one to them but if you seriously want to practice it they're happy to regardless of which one.

>official book market report from 2024 showed, that Japanese is the second most translated language in Poland
>in one year almost 900 Japanese titles were translated and published in Poland
TOTAL JAPANIZATION OF POLAND

>>212928196
It was, but less so now. I am about a HSK4 level so I can maintain it pretty easily.
Polish and Danish are the ones I prioritise more currently, but I would say more so Polish due to my girlfriend.

>>212928249
Why does everyone in this country have a polish girlfriend

>>212928208
Is it true I can do crack legally in your nation?

>>212928193
Your wife got decimated by BDC?
>>212928208
I've heard that danish is incomprehensible to the speakers of other scandi langs.

>>212928282
Because they are nice people.

>>212928282
Because Polish girls are sluts for non-polish men

>>212928305
I've heard some cases where they switch to English but it seems like in most cases they speak their own language to each other just fine.

>>212928441
I imagine Danes could understand Swedes and Norwegians, but the reverse would be more difficult.

Okay fellas, remember when this thread dies DO NOT interact with the ALG fags. Let them speak to the void. They will move on to shilling some other gay tripe, and when they do you will ignore them as well.

>>212929477
遵命!

>>212928246
Hope nobody buys any of them so the entire translation business for Japanese made content crashes and burns and you annoying fucking Poles never get to read anything in Japanese ever again

>>212931080
Bros, why are Turkish males so mean?

>>212929477
you're just showing that you yourself are a shill for some method

Been living in Buenos Aires for almost 2 years now. The accent here is so blurry that during my first week here I remember thinking "how the fuck do they even understand each other?" The other day I went to a store and the cashier started talking to me about random stuff. I was able to understand probably 80% of it. I remember thinking "how the fuck am I understanding this?"

>>212933236
Which spanish accents are the easiest to understand?
>>212931080
Stfu, you brown manlet.

>>212933451
>Which spanish accents are the easiest to understand?
Peruvian and Colombian in my experience

my wife chino... I WANT TO FUCK CHINO
please chino is so cute my wife chino is so cute chino chan sex chino sex with chino i'd like some more kafuu chino sex with chino kafuu chino my wife cute is so chino wife

don't learn Russian

>>212933660
What about mexican?
Btw why did you move to Argentina and how's life there?

>>212933451
>Which spanish accents are the easiest to understand?
Probably mexicans.

>>212933880
Mexican is 3rd in clarity after Peruvian and Columbian in my opinion. Very easy to understand and has a ton of media. But the accent is annoying and Mexican culture is shit.

I moved here because it was cheap and the whole european vibe of Buenos Aires was attractive to me. It's a nice country, but prices are first-world tier now. You have to be frugal.

>>212933724
i missed you

>>212933724

>>212934175
>Mexican culture is shit.
Yeah, I know.
>prices are first-world tier now
Interesting, how's the housing market there?

>>212932292
The method I am a shill for is whatever makes an individual consistent.
I don't give a shit what a person uses.
If it makes them consistent then good.

However shitting these threads up with homo shit like your ALG gaylist is lame as hell.

Go watch Peppa pig, but don't shit up the threads you cretin.

>>212934990
you're like how feminists say stuff to make other women--their competition--less attractive. you want everyone here to do badly so you attack ALG, all so that you can use it yourself and do better than everyone else.

Optimal input at the early intermediate stages should be
>Multiple people interacting
>While doing some activity
>Preferably an activity that you're already quite familiar with

Conversation gives a lot of scaffolding for intuiting grammar and vocabulary that you don't get from straight monologuing because of the back-and-forth. This is a very non-trivial difference, humans are socially oriented and are very good at interpreting the meaning of natural emotionally-charged conversation.

Watching people engage in activity, aside from giving visual scaffolding, also limits the scope of conversation so that the brain's automatic predictive learning mechanisms have less work to do.

I've just been watching group minecraft streamers lately, its a lot of fun

>>212935175
Lol. I use immersion but I don't use ALG you homo.
Anyone who ONLY use immersion is honestly shooting themselves in the foot.
Again I don't give a shit what you do as long as you are consistent.

However SHITTING UP THE THREAD with your cult practices is plain lame for everyone.

Enjoy this final (You), you American (slur).

day 2 of listeningmaxxing to prepare for the HSK 5.
spirits are low right now, I don't think I'm gonna make it

>>212935462
isn't this just video CI

>>212935645
Maybe, but I'm just watching regular native material. I'm not a fan of graded/learner content

>>212935821
how do you understand any of it though. you're supposed to understand like 80%-95% of the material ideally

>>212935913
Native content can be CI too.

Chel better be ready to provide fluency reward blowies when I touchdown on the tarmac for making my pp hard too many times trying to learn spanish.

>>212937752
>not getting an Andrea la mexicana blowjob

>>212935913
You can use native content as comprehensible input once your understanding reaches a high enough level, although some native media is still more advanced than other native media.

>>212935913
I don't care about the i+1 thing. As long as theres enough context for me to pick up vocabulary and grammar its fine. Lots of people learn to fluency without ever using learner content

>>212937920
Andrea is a 6 foot tall monster woman with a man voice. Augustina is the patrician choice.

Ever since I started watching her videos I've been planning for the possibility of seeing her in real life. She's already made 2 videos about running into youtube viewers irl. It seems like she loves the recognition. I think I can use that knowledge to win her over and get her to date me. If I see her in real life I'll pretend I didn't see her, run around a corner, open one of her videos on my phone, skip to around the 1:34 mark, then pass by her and do a double take and say
>Augustina?
She'll nervously affirm that she's Augustina, a bit nervous since she doesn't know who I am. Then I'll say
>From Dreaming Spanish?
Upon hearing this she'll immediately let down her guard and open up, laughing and affirming that it is indeed her. She'll be flattered and relieved.
And then I'll turn the phone to her and say
>I'm listening to you right now! I mean, estoy escuchando uno de tus videos ahora
Now she's on cloud 9. She can't believe the coincidence. She'll complement my Spanish and I'll say
>Well I learned from the best!
And she'll say
>Oh how sweet of you
Then after a short conversation I'll get her number and within 24 hours she'll be sucking my dick

>>212939400
It's Agustina and she has a boyfriend

>>212939687
>she has a boyfriend
That's a lie she tells to filter out the ones that don't love her enough to ask her out.

Do you lads prefer to hear from Anglos attempting to speak French; speaking with an honest English accent in which we use English stresses on words, or an earnest but poor imitation of a French accent?

I feel like my french accent is just terrible and I'm genuinely wondering if I should continue to learn the language if any French person IRL will hate me when I try to speak to them

>>212939400
Has the wikifeet page for Agustina already been made?

>>212939794
He's in some of her vids. Some Irish guy

>>212939400
Bad skin, tiny breasts, Argentinian pronunciation.

>>212939856
Give those continentoids a taste of their own medicine and just speak in an English accent.

>>212939400
>"oh, you're watching my vid, that's coo-"
>"wait, if you already know spanish, why would you need to watch my vide--"
>*pictures you jerking off to her videos
>*Gets the ick
> *Knocks phone out of your hand and starts running, screaming down the street
Chel on the other hand has a theatre kid boyfriend, one I could easily beat, rape, and leave for dead in an alleyway as I head for her bedroom where she awaits the winner, expecting the outcome, but getting a perverse rush when she sees me walk in instead of her boyfriend. Then: Breeding sex for days

>>212940199
>forgot pic :(
also meant Shel, my brain is mush today

>>212940448
She hasn't gone back to streaming ever since she got a big donation from a yankee last time, I think the parasocials scared her.

>>212940551
How much?

>>212939856
You'll be better understood if you're at least trying to pronounce things correctly

>>212940660
I'm not sure, I think $200.

>>212907185
He looks like the kind of guy who'd learn Spanish

God, I love French so much
t. German learner

>>212942529
It's pretty nice

I should be learning french but I'm doing everything just fine by speaking only in broken English.

I should be improving my French but fuck it, Japanese is more important.

I'm studying grammar

>>212943120
Based

>>212943120
I hope you already have over 5K hours of input

>>212939856
All French people are weird, but they won't bite. Just slight jests about how bad you sound.

>>212943317
I'm B2

What even is Dreaming Spanish? Is it purely just youtube videos or do they hide shit behind a paywall or what?

>>212944002
They have a premium subscription. Premium users get 3 new videos every day.

>>212944002
Its something nobody here ever talked about until the alg schizo popped up. Just like Refold.

>>212944111
Wow! Thanks totally organic and not a shill anon! I will now apply for premium membership!

>>212944172
Fucking shills shitting up the board trying to get us to join their gay cults.
Imagine paying to learn a language in 2025.

Fuck that shit, I want to know German NOW, so I can learn French, Japanese and Italian or Spanish

>>212944311
drop those and learn Norwegian

If you don’t move to your TL country to do full immersion you will never make it.

>>212944326
I made it in English even though I never left Spain

>>212944172
>>212944206
Not a shill. You asked a question and I answered.

>>212944398
europe is an american colony

>>212944322
I considered it as a faster alternative to German, but it's still a lot of time to devote to learning, and I don't really need Norwegian for anything unless I go to live there, sooo

>>212943318
Your fronch, eet eez how you say… non très bon, we speek eengleesh, yes?

>>212944424
Norwegian girls are cuter than German ones though.

>>212944172
>>212944206
>>212944240
you faggots are unreal. it's literally just some guy asking a question about a CI video service

>>212944438
*Glaswegian kiss*

>>212944441
they are also more racist though

The problem is that the only countries worth to moving to are Germany and Scandinavia. I don't know if it's worth learning holiday languages (or for content like music, movies, series, talking to people). It's not that I don't like Germanic languages, it's just that my obsessions fluctuate, and right now my focus is shifting from France to Italy. Also, the inability to find good content (a few bands, that one Netflix series is not much) in German bothers me. The only charm for me is the old stuff like Gothic or DSA. Culture must have this appeal to me
>>212944441
There are more German women, so the overall population of attractive women in Germany is larger. There are also cute women in Poland, so. And statistically, knowing a Romance language will make the greatest impression on all three groups.

>>212910366
Unironically nothing wrong with this. Having some rudimentary ability to understand like 20 different languages is probably more enjoyable than grinding one for 5 years straight. It's all just a hobby anyway, if you know English then there's essentially no serious reason to learn any other language. I'm a one-langer but I'm slightly envious of the dabblers. It would be cool to be able to read a bunch of different alphabets and even just have a rough understanding of how words and phrases are formed in many languages.

bump

>>212944002
It's just videos
There are no paywall lessons, just more of the same videos behind the paywall

Recommend me some russian youtubers or something please

>>212947385
https://www.youtube.com/@oblomoffood

>>212947532
Neat
Thank you

>>212925180
Define learn, acquire, familiarize, and damage.

>>212945308
>only places worth living in are germany and scandinavia
east and southeast asia

>>212941332
that's not that much these days, he could've been someone with a 300k salary or some shit

I'm reviewing a book my department adopted, an updated version

Beginning chapter has a series of photos of people that are well-known and asking them "what's their name, where are they from, what are they famous for"
>overwhelming majority of them have nothing to do with the TL or even target culture
>only two (2) people from TL/TC
>rest are mostly just famous actors and/or social activists of some kind from America

Why do textbook companies do this

>>212942965
Based. If the French wanted me to learn their language they should've created more shows about cute girls like the Japs

I finally found a way to post something on this site again (it's dead anyway though) so I can ask my final question because I spent like half an hour trying to get a captcha:
ARE THERE ANY WAYS I CAN USE TRILLED R IN GERMAN AND NOT SOUND FOREIGN (due to that particular feature singled out) OR RETARDED, OR IS IT JUST A PLAINLY BAD IDEA?
I need to have a good accent because I'll work with people a lot there (in the East most likely, maybe Bavaria but not likely) but I just can't get over the feeling that what's happening with R in modern standard German is just disgusting.
>>212919584
>>212919798
@grok is it real?
>>212925388
Ich lerne Deutsch für einen Jahr und ich lernte Lateinischen Sprachen nicht, und ich kenne lesen Französisch und Spanisch aber ich kenne lesen Deutsch nicht. Warum?
>>212947385
Чмoдьё (илюшкa жoпич пидapoк), also витaля жoпич хyecoc.
>>212945308
I was in the exactly same situation and I figured out that 1) Germany is definitely superior to Scandinavia even if the gap isn't really big, 2) leisure languages are not worth learning, language is just a medium and you better start appreciating languages you already know. Polish (or Russian for me), English, and German are in no way worse than Spanish or French or any other language.

Can someone that knows Chinese tell me what it says here?

I'm taking the advice of that one reddit post that said he used nukige for immersion and I'm confused by a grammatical point in the warning. What does the 上 mean in the below sentence, and should it be read as うえ or じょう? I understand the rest of the sentence.

マゾ向け作品という特性上、主人公に対しての罵倒や貶めるような表現も含まれております


>>212951106
I'm learning Japanese but I'm pretty sure 安徳利 means cheap alcohol. 安 is cheap and my dictionary says 徳利 is sake bottle.

>>212951106
it doesn't say anything, just a faux european sounding name probably for a brand

>>212951324
it's an electronic company, when I translate it on google I get Andre, which is a name?

>>212951349
so it's just the name, Andeli >>212951356
, but with chinese characters? So translated it would be André?

>>212951369
Often times chinese characters are just used for its sound rather than meaning, it could be andrew or andre something, seems like a common theme in asia to use random sound european names for branding.

>>212951460
thanks a lot, I just bought a welding machine from them, kinda cool their company is named like me lol

>>212950494
>nobody will respond again
at least I got the captcha

Bump

>>212945308
Learning Germanic and Romance languages barely counts as language learning

pmub

>>212949751
It's a known phenomenon that men from all cultures self insert to be Ryan gosling.
It is one of the most important things to learn in your TL.
"I am literally Ryan Gosling"

>>212953820
Post a vocaroo speaking fluent german, french and spanish then.

>>212950494
>leisure languages are not worth learning
Worlds biggest lie. Language learning is purely a hobby for most native English speakers as we have no real use for it. You all speak our language. Americans especially think they are the centre of the world so don't care about other cultures.
Every language for us is a leisure language unless we are dead set on moving somewhere.

>>212953820
Niggas say this and then struggle to read a kanji, lmao

>Post a vocaroo speaking fluent german, french and spanish then.

>>212956079
Post a video of that sweet Swedish twink ass doing the thug shaker

>>212956079
I accept your concession swedcuck

>>212956032
You have to know Hindi to get employed by your Indian boss and Arabic to not get beheaded on the street though. Modern EFLs are the last people in the world to act smug honestly. Maybe if you weren't such assholes other Europeans would have some pity for you.

>>212956657
Lol, get a load of this faggot all riled up.

>>212950494
Okay I'll check this thread again tomorrow morning but I'm sure I won't get any factual answer. What a disgrace of a forum.
>>212956764
Your country is poorer than Italy and Finland. If I were English, I'd be ashamed the same way I'm ashamed of being Russian.

>>212956845
I feel for you russian bro. Must be hard trying to dodge the draft for the meat grinder.

>>212956657
hard cope

bump

How much of this do you understand? Can you translate it? I understand 100% of it as a Swede.

>>212948684
I'm Eurocentric (in the broader sense of the word). I think the only Asian countries that fascinate me are Japan and Hong Kong
>>212950494
Culture matters.
Also, German R seems like one of the easiest things in the language
>>212953820
Maybe. It's still easy to become an annoyance to native speakers with your poor language skills. It's worth putting some effort in it.

I’m so fucking conflicted on whether I should learn Japanese or not. Sometimes I’m obsessed with Japanese culture, you know, anime, manga, history, idols, vtubers, games and all that crap, but then sometimes I’m like “what the fuck am I doing with my life? This shit is retarded, I should focus on better stuff” and the cycle goes on and on. What should I do? Do I genuinely like Japanese culture or not?

>>212960819
learn Swedish

>>212960819
Same. You need to find a second language or a hobby to balance it out. I think Japanese culture, at least the one seen online, is exaggerated by the media. It focuses on nostalgia, sentiment, and politeness, and the media exploits these human instincts. Italian and French movies and media are like that a bit too. Brazilian culture seems different to me, maybe a bit sentimental, so not being terminally online and do some kind of normiemaxccing is probably enough. All that weeb stuff is great but you have to do some of these things from anime irl to stay sane and don't become a sad cunt

>language camp in the woods
>low cost shared tents for maximum economizing, food and other living costs included
>language coaches operating the camps, they decide your schedule
>punishment for using a language other than your TL is physical labor, some kind of minor physical trauma or public shaming
>access to thousands of TL books and audio books
>comfy movie nights on an outdoor screen every evening
>personal electronics forbidden, but you can use devices from the camp which are all forced to be in the TL, any website you visit that isn't in the TL is blocked
>human rights are mostly upheld
Would you sign up?

>>212961460
Why the fuck would I go to the middle of nowhere to study languages? That sounds retarded.

>>212961460
Ive heaed of these immersion camps before but theyre astronomically expensive

I kinda want to dabble in Chinese because I know nothing about the language.
Should I start with Duolingo?

>>212960819
You clearly like Japanese, but at the back of your head, you're worried some favela normie is going to make fun of you for watching cartoons so you feel the need to suppress your actual interests and do "better stuff" that you don't actually care about but will increase your social status. You just have to ask yourself if you care more about following your dreams or do you care more about "fitting in" and doing the socially acceptable path in life?

>>212960819
I think I have hit the age where everything related to Japan just sucks.
I don't much care for anime or manga now. Any dreams I had of living there died when I entered the workforce in my own country and realised how worse it is there. The Japanese language community is full of some absolute losers as well.
All these things just put me off it and I haven't bothered to learn it since.
Mandarin is way cooler, in my opinion. Don't much care for China though.

>>212961460
I would just go on vacation in the country that speaks my TL

>>212963489
I wrote about this a few threads ago: it crushes my soul that even if I learned Japanese, I'll be too old to enjoy Japan, to repeat all the clichés and everything associated with it. There will be no dates in school uniforms, no sitting on the same school roof, no participating in school clubs and find friends there. It's not without reason that anime focuses on school life; even though it's a grind, after school is even harder. In fact, we were even born in the wrong decade, because Japan is circa 30 years past its peak.
And the Japanese media capitalizes on this nostalgia. That's why there are so many isekai, so many school romances, and now they're even reviving old series
I regret not being a hardcore weeb in primary school and learn the language then, even though, I had some similar experience like in anime, friends, hanging out after school, projects, kind of strict school rules etc. Maybe that's why the Japanese media hit me so late: they feed on my nostalgia for those times

>>212963903
Yakuza 0 made me realise how great Japan was in the past.
Yakuza 7 made me realise how shit it is now.

>>212963489
>Mandarin is way cooler, in my opinion. Don't much care for China though.
what's cooler about it if you don't particularly like china?

The last time Japan was great was in 1945
Since then its only been down hill

>>212962601
no. too much writing far too early.
listen to US FSI chinese for spies
https://fsi-languages.yojik.eu/languages/FSI/fsi-chinese-mandarin.html

>>212963967
What’s so bad about Yakuza 7?

>JE? SUIS!

>>212963903
Tbh I feel the same way about France. I feel a strong fondness for it, perhaps partly because of the media I consumed as a child, or perhaps because French popular culture also capitalizes on nostalgia. If I had a chance at a stable job in France with an okay salary and no fear of being stabbed with a syringe by a random stranger, I wouldn't even consider it. Unfortunately, Germany, the Netherlands, the Scandinavian countries seem better places to live for the average person. France is a still an upgrade compared to Poland but Still, the disadvantages don't outweigh the advantages. Even with the lack of recent Polish immigrants in France, stereotypes known from Germany and the Netherlands are common, so France doesn't even offer the advantage of people viewing you more favorably than in those countries where we've sent many criminals

>>212949751
More useless filler = longer books, more separate units for the student to buy, more classroom hours for the teacher, etc. The entire education industry is basically a racket that relies on the process being as long and as tedious and complicated as possible to ensure that certain people can keep making a living.

>>212963903
I think the Japan school life is overrated.
I'm a weeb and I'm into non-weeb Japanese culture shit too, but I'm happy to wait until my 40s or 50s before going to Japan. I never really wanted to experience school life in Japan, maybe if I had the opportunity as a teenager I would have taken it but it's not like I imagine it would have been some kind of anime romance story. And I suppose visiting Japan in your 20's is not much different than in your 30's or later, because according to everyone who's gone there, locals give you the gaijin treatment regardless of your age or Japanese ability
I actually think visiting Japan as an old man would be even cooler, because they aren't going to see you as another young weeb just there to go to maid cafes and get drunk in Akihabara with other foreigners, and elders are respected in Japanese culture. I plan to learn Japanese maybe when I'm in my late 30s (my current TLs will be in maintenance-mode by then) and by the time I'm in my 40s I should be fluent enough to have an epic adventure that you can't have as a non-Japanese speaker.
Also let's be honest most Japanese girls don't exactly look like they do in anime, sure some are attractive but honestly I'll let them for my yellow-fever bros. My preference has always been for the European variety.

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>>212967647
You can have anime like teenage life almost everywhere with some variations in details, right. It's not only romcoms though. japanese media farm nostalgia and melancholy. What drew me to Japan most were its music and motoring. And there's something melancholic about the Japanese artistic soul. I see Portugal similarly: one great reflection on what's gone. Italian art is similar too, though people don't associate it with it at first glance.
>Also let's be honest most Japanese girls don't exactly look like they do in anime, sure some are attractive but honestly I'll let them for my yellow-fever bros. My preference has always been for the European variety.
Kind of similliar but it's not like I don't find them attractive or all white girls are attractive. Black hair on women used to always driven me crazy. That's why I really liked the Mediterranean and Alpine types of beauty. Now I also like blondes. So it changes over time. I guess being in some group makes people like unique features.

>>212966960
>the entire education industry is a racket
I am aware

What I mean isn't filler, it's to ease the students into the conversational approach since it's different from the grammar approach in high schools and because the class is usually taught in German

It's a book on German, because I teach German
>look at the "Wie heißt die Person? Woher kommt die Person? Wofür ist die Person bekannt?" exercise in the introductory chapter before chapter 1
>made it gender-neutral but that's a minimal nitpick for me, who cares even if the phrasing is good but odd
>the people they chose:
>Albert Einstein (German)
>Billie Eilish (American of Scottish and Irish descent)
>Frida Kahlo (Mexican)
>Robyn "Rihanna" Fenty (Barbadian)
>Lionel Messi (Argentinian of Italian and Spanish descent)
>Malala Yousafzai (Pakistani of Pashtun descent)
>Marie Skłodowska-Curie (Polish scientist who moved to France)
>Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (Austrian)
>Naomi Osaka (American of Haitian-American and Japanese descent; represents Japan)
>Nelson Mandela (South African of Xhosa origin)
>Pedro Pascal (Chilean-American)
>RuPaul Charles (known mononymously as "RuPaul"; African-American)
>Sam Smith (British singer-songwriter of English origin)
>Timothée Chalamet (French-American)
>Zendaya Coleman (known mononymously as "Zendaya"; American of mixed African-American and Caucasian-American [German and Scottish] descent)
>only two have anything to do whatsoever with DACHLänder culture/language/history

Now I want to make my own list because there's a whole lot of famous German-speaking people to choose from, as well as avoiding the awkward situation where I ask my class for famous Germans, Austrians, Swiss, Liechtensteiners, or even German/Austrian/Swiss-Americans to avoid an awkward silence and/or someone saying "Hitler", which though true is a bit difficult to segue from

>>212969576
is there such a word as motoring? Or should I use a word automotive?

>>212964347
Just the language itself. Taiwan is cool and they use mandarin. Mainland china just has a weird vibe to it.
I have been to both.
The mainland is safer though.

Are you proud of your TL progress?

>>212971691
Yes

>>212919731
>America has maybe 100 different accents.
I think that's an overestimation honestly

>>212971691
I'm ashamed of my lack of progress

imagine having embarrassingly easy access to any learning resource you desire for any language on Earth and then choosing Russian

>>212972342
Russian is like #12 on my list which is pretty high considering the number of languages in the world

>>212972342
Do you know Russian?

This thread is as godawful as usual. Not sure why it even exists, just putting a bunch of people with completely different goals in one thread.
Go study and enjoy native media.

My family complains that I (supposedly) speak like a Moldavian. /lang/gods, how can I start speaking less like a Moldavian?

>>212969580
Oh, given this it's just because they're using the exact same list of globally neutral famous figures in every single language book they publish

Are the FSI shits any good? I'd assume so because the Yank military is all around the world - then again it's made by yanks so it could be absolute wank.

>>212973201
>Not sure why it even exists

I didn’t study shit today…

>>212975520
there's still time

>>212975775
Nah, it's already 6pm here, the day is fucking over, but tomorrow will be different...

>>212976584
Lmao

>>212976584
bro I finished work not long ago and now the studying begins. The day isn't over until you're asleep

>>212977645
at that time everybody starts partying in Brazil

>>212973846
Not the case it seems, to compare with the company's Spanish textbook they use famous Hispanic and Latino figures prominent in the Spanish-speaking world

>>212967647
>>212960819
I've started learning jap when I was stuck there in 2020 during covid. Now I'm at 4-5k hours and pretty decent and happy I did it.
I'm 36yo, don't like anime except some rare exception, don't want to have a jap gf or even jap close friends.
But I go there every 2-3 years for a few months just chilling in small cities or even villages and it's way better when you know the language, they're so shy and awkward so if you make the move everything goes way smoother.

If you just like their media knowing the language isn't worth the effort at all. There's nothing important that's lost in translation.
If you see the learning itself as a hobby then it's definitely worth it, this language is quite crazy and unbelievably different from ours.

How reliable is chatgpt for explaining sentences? I like how it breaks them down and it seems pretty accurate, but I don't want to pick up any bad habits.

God I'm so sick of Japanese

>>212975443
reminds me of this

>>212979587
how do I sound more Swedish

>>212980047
If you're just talking about the Swedish accent, then the most important vowel is the "long dental i-sound". I don't know what else to call it. Pronounce a normal /i:/ but with the tip of your tongue touching your upper teeth to get that annoying buzzing long /i:/ that makes the Swedish accent sound like stitch from lilo and stitch. I'm pretty sure that we also replace all cot-vowels with a short /o/, and the caught-vowel as an /ɑ:/. I don't know how to describe the cadence/pitch that we have, you'll just have to inpoot that until it clicks.

>>212980311
Also, the voiced 'th' is just a dental 'd', and the voiceless 'th' is a dental 't'. All other stop consonants are also dental

>>212980382
the voiceless 'th' is an f*****
whatever man why am I taking this shit seriously

>>212980311
Is this accurate?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPNCti-nDO8&ab_channel=SashaWiewegLendin

>>212980672
That’s a drunkards attempt at a German accent but a little gayer

>>212907185
Safe sleazy learns Serbian because it's niche but they are also drunkards so kinda chill just like him

Time for a new one btw.