Thread 212918292

>The west and america try everything to get Russia on their side and make it a rich country
>Russia disregards it and prefers to go into deeper poverty by killing its own people instead of focusing on China together with the west
Why are they such a bunch of schizo retards

never recovered from the mongol buckbreaking

Holy shit you're one dumb gypsy

>>212918325
you just had to stop chimping out, accept trade with the EU and gain trillions in benefits instead of fighting over 3 bombed out villages

>>212918292 (OP)
Because of the mysterious Russian soul o algo

>>212918325
is he wrong?
That's literally what happened
The reason why Merkel and Obama didn't react to the annexation of Crimea was because they still believed getting Russia on the right side of history was possible

This falls squarely on the shoulders of Truman and the schizo anticommunist ideology.

>>212918412
>Its some old dude from 100 years ago fault o algo

>>212918292 (OP)
opening up russia would benefit the people not the oligarks and politicans.

>>212918292 (OP)
>just become our western puppet bro
Russia tried that in the early 1990s and what they got was total economic and social collapse in the country. It wasn't until the early 2000s that inflation, unemployment, industrial production, poverty and crime were brought back under control

>>212921826
>glorious aзepчaй
>causes cancer
huh? are you high on sneed oils or something?

>>212921866
Unfortunately it'd never happen. Their overlords will just keep on spewing the lie that west is out to get them.

>>212918292 (OP)
>Russia disregards it
They fucking wish they did lmao.

>>212920381
It always is isn't it kek

>>212922749
>it's the wests fault we got robbed by russian elites o algo

>>212918292 (OP)
Russia tried to join NATO in the early 2000’s but got rejected. They tried to befriend the west but the US told them to fuck off. Same with Turkey actually with their bid to join the EU.

>>212922890
Turkey is too brown. Russia can join if they stop chimping out

>>212922890
Why do thirdies think it's the west's duty to immediately accept them into any organization the second some politician from their country mentions they would maybe want to join? It may work like that for BRICS or other meme groups but not for NATO or EU. I noticed the same from Ukrainians, they unironically thought they could apply and become a member the day after.

>>212922867
Americans were pretty open about giving Yeltsin shit tons of money and support so he could drown out the competition. And it is Yeltsin's retarded privatization that gave rise to the oligarch elite and everyone after him had to navigate around them.

>>212922890
>Same with Turkey actually with their bid to join the EU.
Neah. The EU gives you a list of the most basic stuff and you just need to comply (that's how my fucking country and Bulgaria managed to join). Turkey just can't stop jailing reporters and doing other authoritarian shit. Turkey recently filed a suit against Spotify because it allows people to name their custom playlists and people named some playlists "fuck Erdogan" or "Turkey's Frist Lady's Playlist" with a picture of Erdogan.
Russia also couldn't get rid of its old habits of stirring shit with its neighbours and/or invading them. Why do you think all of the ex-Warsaw pact countries rushed to join nato after 89?

>>212921986
ive got like 4 packages left they use non gmo tea harvests americans are morons but thats hardly news

>>212922921
That’s the thing they wanted to stop and be friends but you guys told them to fuck off.

>>212923064
>say you want to be friends
>the other guy tells you to fuck off
>don’t want to be friends anymore
That’s all there is to it.

>>212923154
When Turkey was still serious about joining the EU they toned that stuff down and were planning on doing reforms along the lines of what the EU wanted.

>>212918292 (OP)
>The west and america try everything to get Russia on their side and make it a rich country

This was never the case.
Russia could never be part of the west because Russia is too big.
If it were allowed to develop economically, it would pose too big a threat for western powers.
That's basic geopolitics.

>>212923178
>>say you want to be friends
>>the other guy tells you to fuck off
I also like to imagine scenarios in my head and then get mad at them

>>212923261
russians HATE equal partnerships. They'd love every alliance to like CSTO where they bully allies and can instantly go back on any promise whenever it benefits them like what they did with Armenia.
When NATO asked them to be equal allies they instantly chimped out and asked for super special benefits because apparently treating allies like equals is le cucked o algo

>>212923214
"planning on doing" and "implementing" said reforms are two different things.
Turkey basically said "hey we didn't jail or kill any reporter this month so this clearly means we've changed and you should let us in the EU." Show concrete results and not your hopes and dreams. If their candidacy was outright rejected I would have called that getting told to "fuck off" but they're still a candidate and could join if they made the necessary changes but they don't want to. They want to join as is without doing the necessary work.

>>212923369
>russians HATE equal partnerships.
https://archive.is/1BK4#selection-527.0-531.133
>"We don't consider it necessary to make any concessions in terms of our sovereignty and we are capable of solving all the threats in an independent way. What we are ready for is to create some temporary coalitions, but at the moment we are not happy about many things happening in NATO," Mr Rogozin said, adding that this was a reason why membership was out of the question at this point.
>"Great powers don't join coalitions, they create coalitions. Russia considers itself a great power," the Russian ambassador stressed.

>>212923450
We won't get in because we are a muslim country of 90 million people it's really that simple. I hope you don't actually believe the garbage coming out of your mouth.

>>212923501
>russia thought its the lion in this scenario

>>212923501
>Great powers don't join coalitions, they create coalitions. Russia considers itself a great power
Post-Soviet politics summed up in two sentences

>>212923674
EU countries don't seem to have any issues with letting Muslims into their countries. What makes you so special?

>>212918400
That's literally the reason tho

>>212923784
How many muslims were accepted into eu territories in total?

>>212923894
no idea since a lot are here illegally, maybe 20-30 million assuming you take UK into account

>>212923784
Correction: French, British and German liberals in the 2010s had no problem letting Muslims in (individually, and not as part of a deal or membership). Turkey would never become a part of the EU because outside of those small interest groups, it's unpopular across the EU.

>>212924084
Yes that's it. If they are there illegally, then they weren't let in. Turkey's EU accession was a legal bid to join which was in all practicalities rejected. Now if we were Christians then the history would have looked much different.

>>212923674
It's less about you being muslim (Albania will join and Kosovo/Bosnia might eventually), and the 85 million population, that's equal to Germany, nobody want's that much new MEPs. Big EU players will have a new chuddy insider rival, small cunts will see their small influence grow even smaller.

>>212924258
just revive ataturk and become atheist then.

>>212923096
Well yes because the alternative was someone who was a sworn communist who believed the USSR failed because of Gorbachev's failings and lack of faith in the party iirc. Yeltsin was never truly hated btw. Look at how Putin acted towards his death vs Gorbachev, state funeral with full honors vs zero acknowledgement he died.