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Useful links:
>Free language‐learning book archive:
https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw
>Books on linguistics and language courses:
https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ
>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:
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>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:
https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH
>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec
>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by family
https://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/
>/lang/ inpoot torrents
https://rentry.org/inpoot
>Refold Anki decks
https://rentry.org/refold

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>>212907104
Previous Challenge:
>>212915514

why shouldn't I learn Akkadian

late nite study session

>>212984623 (OP)
I've been stuck with russian with nastya's learn russian in 1 year lessons and easy german, I don't find the time to start Mandarin Chinese and bring it up to HSK 2 around the A2 level where I can watch easy youtube videos.

any advice for me?

If duolingo copied the nature method books millions of people would be fluent.

Where is the beginner friendly Italian comprehensible input content? Ideally with a northeastern accent, I don't want to pick up terroni pronunciation.
I'd pay so much for someone to make Dreaming Spanish but with Italian.

>>212986366
funny you mention that, if you master Spanish, Italian is another Portuguese.

I should have no problem learning Italian, but I have no interest. I'm saving either French or Portuguese for last. or both.
I'd be another Spanish speaker who dabbles in Portuguese because its too easy. Portuguese Italian and French are meme languages and you get a bad reputation as a Latino for studying that.

>>212986472
>Portuguese Italian and French are meme languages and you get a bad reputation as a Latino for studying that.
It's the same for spanish in italy. If you are bad at everything in school the teachers will tell you to learn spanish. When you hear the words "you should learn spanish" you know it's over.

>>212986472
I'm not just picking any old language out of interest though, my gf is Italian. If not for her I wouldn't learn any language desu.

>>212986366
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuXKaZvYEKY&t=106s

there is a world of telenovelas out there for immersion. you don't have to watch them all, personally I think they're mostly filler, and the Spanish is slightly off, as in novela Spanish has 1 or 2 words divorced from reality.

I think you're ready to start watching Televisa. you will never run out of content.
if you want easy Spanish, watch a Turkish soap opera in the Spanish dub.
if you want difficult, watch a soap in Colombian Spanish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq64BJVHYXk&list=PL3YmZ1PVW1m0OSphnMtkyuExL3tyu4IxW

>>212986633
Anon, I don't want Spanish at all. I want Italian.

>>212986530

I would learn Italian to speak proper Spanish better. But that is the number 1 reason I'm hesitant to learn anything from Europe. starting with French. I don't want to be looked down at.
I think some of my people deserve it, I certainly think in their defense the racism is out of bounds as well.

I still go on YouTube every day and teach myself German and Russian, one is actually useful at fetching me Euros, the other one will make me smarter and get me a wife.

I think I'd face racism if I learned mandarin as well. I would rather welcome you when you come here. enjoy the old world/ disfruta del viejo mundo. I thought about how going to a fancy ancient university would be nice and its just not worth it.
sorry about your Muslim problem. Latin Americans are not Arabs for the most part.
stay emboldened by the USA, shows me your true face/colors.

>>212986655
huh, it was easier finding Rubi in French and Portuguese. it doesn't exist in Italian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bckOLwRho98

Laura Pausini has music in Italian.

>>212986530
I meant to say in my eyes, Latin Americans who learn easy romance languages are pompous "intellectuals" and people form Argentina who in reality are low IQ monkeys.

both Portuguese and Italian are funny Spanish with Ch noises that don't belong.
I can't really build a strong argument for Spansih as a language for smart normal people who are sane but I seem to think so.

>>212986789
Well yeah I can find random songs and tv shows no problem. But I'm talking about comprehensible input, and none of that stuff is comprehensible to a beginner. If I could start out understanding tv shows then I wouldn't be here.

Look what this girl does for Japanese https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC5RHt8unAI
I'm looking for that with Italian, but the closest I've found is that nature method book.

>>212987007
That "girl" has two children btw. Have you checked the comprehensible input wiki? I don't think something as comprehensive as even cijapanese (which is 1/15 the size it should be to be good) exists for italian.
I think you have to make your own CI by using intensive reading tools (yomitan/lingq/language reactor etc)

>>212987007
Lel and you're fucking an Italian girl mate.

That which you call "comprahensible input" are baby steps. Not even babies need those training wheels.
you need balls to learn a language, and if you can't find "comprehensible input" in Italian, its because racism is gatekeeping the country from auslander like Latin Americans and Arabs, and in this case you.

I didn't even have YouTube or Google translate when I taught myself English.

>>212987116
Yeah I have, believe me it's fucking grim. Half of it is podcasts, which obviously provide no context whatsoever to give comprehension, and the rest are some retard talking to a camera with subtitles, which also gives no context clues.

I did add DeepL to Calibre to try reading Italian books but I end up having to translate so much that I'm not even reading the Italian, I'm just reading a shitty English translation.
>>212987133
I don't know what sick pleasure you derive from being totally unhelpful and disgusting but you really need to rethink your life.

>>212987275
you grab a notebook and pen, and you take your notes every day that you may review them later.
buy a dictionary, memorize the most important words through willpower until you can sit and immerse on TV and that's it! ancient people thought the TV was more than enough.

you have Google translate and AI. you have YouTube. all you need is willpower.
pen and paper I got from my German teacher, and that guy was a Nazi.

I'm not going to psychoanalyze my shit, but I grew up on Vegeta and my stereotype is Marimar/Maria la del Barrio.

that is, when a coastal beach nigger is addicted to insulting posh rich people with the truth, and eats with his/her hands instead of silverware. being crass like that/Cuban is a way of life.

no foreigner ever "got it" understood that part of me. in retrospect I should have behaved, in my best attempt and then some. oh well, can't go to high school again and Indian people and simps stink any attempt at class from me.

Shalom Anons. Have any of you used the FSI materials for your TL? How did you find them? Are they worth doing?

>>212987275
learning Italian would come off as easy to me, would you like me to lecture you as I go along?

because I'm not going to. I might look up something hard on YouTube, and spoon feed it to you just to fuck with you.

>>212987495
That is literally a different method you tiresome retard. I want to use CI for a reason.

>>212987275
>>212987556

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEdX3wvs6lw

the prince Machiavelli in its original language. have at it. I'm not even going to Spanish to English translate that, I'm going to sleep.

>>212987622
>>212987622
muh method, pussy. I could make the same complaints about what the fuck CI means, it took a while to figure out you talk with ABC when you're too lazy to type comprehensible input.

You could learn Latin if you're too racist to learn Spanish. then it would come off as easy.
Peace, I'm going to sleep. enjoy your brown pussy and olive garden, I personally like redheads and Asian women.

>>212987622
Learn Latin root words with pen and paper, Anglonigger. I'm sorry I can only teach you the hard part, my life's been that way.

if you don't know Latin root words, you will always be an anglonigger. you are not educated in Rome, there is simply no way around it.

do you know what Quando means? none of this Wenn When bullshit. there's words like that.

>>212987622
I can't search anything that doesn't exist. would you like me to start a YouTube channel?

Comprehensible input LOL please tell me you're no older than a zoomshit.

>>212987750
>mr language genius who taught himself English from nothing doesn't even know how abbreviations work
Kek
>You could learn Latin if you're too racist to learn Spanish
I am racist but that's not the reason I'm not learning Spanish. I'm not learning it because it's a completely irrelevant language
>brown pussy
Whiter than you'll ever be paco
>>212987835
>>212987881
And now you keep posting more seethe posts lmao what a spastic you are

>>212987622
Balls you don't have. but sure let's kick all the foreigners out of America and Europe, and act like kings gringoshit when we're guests in Mexico.
Fuck off.

>>212987681
Note that this book is not in italian.

>>212986366
I assume Italians must have graded readers with audio recordings for ISL learners, right? I mean the other main European languages have that sort of thing.
Ask your gf to import it through amazon or something.

>>212987905
then don't ask me to spoon feed you on how to fuck your pathetically ugly and brown "Italian" girlfriend who is highly likely a rebranded Latin American or moor shit, upside down gringo.

being an Italian from the 1400s, I AM whiter than she is. because I've been around on Omegle long enough to see the truth about browns in Europe with mine own eyes. now fuck off.

>>212988069
You don't fool anybody, you're a manlet mexican not any kind of white. But the fact you larp as white shows you understand that we're superior.

>>212984623 (OP)
moggs esperanto

>>212988045
Thanks I'll look into it

>>212988108
LEL I expect this attitude from the French not from modern Europe or Anglo cattle, number one.

two, it works in my favor if you believe I'm lying. pesete, aunque the pese I am white and I would post a picture of my face on here to prove it, but that would beat the purpose of anonymity in this website.
I'm too busy learning Russian and Chink to deal with your retarded ass. I mog the indios as the 1% of Mexicans and women enjoy fucking me.
you sound as bad as the Americans and the Argentinians thinking its OK to spit on Spain.
seriously, piss off.

>>212988122
ALMA Edizioni ITALIANO FACILE
That kind of thing I mean.

>>212988108
you couldn't do better than a morrocan shit. I bet you try to impress and fool your friends who are sick and tired of fucking gooks.

Italian my ass. thank God I blend in with the mestizos the hell away from all you freaks or you'd put me in a dress.

>>212988195
hurr durr let me tell you about your skin color.

you think its a game? to take the whitest of my people and compare them immediately to the lowest common denominator of our people.
fucking faggot you are. come out of the closet already, and leave that girl alone.

>>212988230
I'll download it. So there's really a total lack of this kind of content as far as videos go?

>>212988303
night Abbo.

>>212988303
I'm not exactly sure what kind of "comprehensible input" you're looking for. Easy Italian on youtube is too difficult/easy for you?
Usually people just recommend starting with children tv shows. Löwenzahn for German learners for example. I assume there are classic Italian kids shows too.

>>212988303
https://www.youtube.com/@GiuliaAlPolo/videos

Giulia speaks quite clearly and uses simple sentences.

Also there are surprising amount of videos of Japanese living in Italy and vice versa.
They tend to use simple sentence structure when speaking Italian.
If you can stand a heavy Japanese accent you could check out Erikottero
https://www.youtube.com/@ERIKOTTERO/videos

>>212988412
I'm looking for an Italian equivalent of the Japanese video I linked, or the Dreaming Spanish program. Beginner level comprehensible input.

Easy Italian has hardcoded subs on their videos, and if you block the subs you see that they don't actually use context clues like pointing, drawing, etc. to make the meaning clear, they just speak slowly. And then they have videos where they do the same thing, just speak more quickly.
>>212988478
I mean it's neat but this isn't a language teaching channel at all.

>>212988542
Start with Coffee Break Italian on Spotify then

>>212986366
northeasterners are terroni too btw

>>212988542
Man, you're whiny.

>>212988646
I'm just looking for one specific thing, and people keep responding by talking about something that isn't that thing. I don't know why the fuck language learners always do this no matter where I ask, even to the point that one retard in this thread kept talking about a totally different language, but it's fucking annoying.

Beginner level doesn't mean tv shows or music for natives, it means something that is understandable to someone who has never heard a word of the target language.
Comprehensible input doesn't mean translation, grammar books, or flashcards, it means input that is comprehensible - with context clues making up for the lack of language skills.
Italian doesn't mean spanish, it means Italian.

Do you go to a thread on /o/ about pickup trucks and start recommending hatchbacks? Do you go to a thread on /tv/ about Hong Kong action flicks and start recommending Shrek?
If you start saying things that aren't what I'm looking for then why are you offended that I say that's not what I'm looking for?

And if what I'm looking for doesn't exist then just say so instead of shit that would require me to be B1 level already.

>>212988542
Probably doesn't exist.

Weebs and Spanish learners are probably more likely to part with their money than anyone else lol.

>>212988969
Genuinely just watch Pocoyo. It's my go to show for any new language because it's just pocoyo and friends doing things with some dialogue between characters, but it's mostly a narrator that is giving a general overview of what is happening.

>>212989169
I'll look into that anon, good idea

bump

What are some kino language combinations? Say if you're learning one TL after another
Examples
Chinese - Japanese
German - French
Greek - Italian
Swedish - Finnish
Etc etc

>>212991207
Latin-Any romance

Is lingQ premium worth it? 5 dollar for month not that much to be honest.

Woke up this morning with no memory of my dreams, but my head was buzzing with French and it felt like I had been fully immersed while sleeping. It's fucking happening bros.

>>212991816
Probably not. Anything worth having can be pirated.

don't learn Russian

>>212992025
So true. Learn Bulgarian instead.

>>212991994
How can I replace it?

>>212992120
>LingQ is a platform that lets you learn languages from books, podcasts, news, and more
You're not going to believe this...
You can find books, podcasts, news and more outside of some paid service.
Hope that helps.

>>212991816
Lingq will delete all your content and stats if you stop paying for a month. If you only plan to learn one language you should probably look into the single language lifetime pricing.
But desu I think it doesn't do enough to warrant it.

>>212991994
>>212992203
>>212992120
The value of lingq is that it tracks your seen/known words, but there's free OSS projects that do the same thing like Lute.

>>212992358
That's what I am saying. There are good Foss tools and piracy for everything. You don't need a subscription based platform unless you are a total illiterate normie.

>>212992421
>You don't need a subscription based platform unless you are a total illiterate normie.
Or if you're just rich and don't have anything better to spend it on. Lingq is still a way more polished experience than Lute and also probably a lot more effective than the typical normie apps like the green bird one.

There's also LWT (learn with texts), its a free offline version of linq essentially

What are some good resources I need to try?
I’ve used basically every app for learning French there is. And while my vocabulary’s pretty good I need to step it up and get better at conversation.

>>212991816
I’d say yes if it keeps you motivated. If you’re not happy you can just cancel any time. $5 is peanuts.

>>212961460
>linguārum castra in silvīs
>tentōria cum pretiō parvō partēs maximae, cibus et cetera pretia ibi insunt.
>magistrī linguārum castra administrant, eī iussūs tuōs cōnstituunt
>poena omnibus quī linguīs nōn suīs ūtuntur; vulnerātiō levis aut pudor pūblicus
>mīllia librōrum in linguā tuā et librī ā lectōribus recitantur
>noctēs cinēmaticae tranquillae in theatrō sub caelō omnis vesper
>rēs electronicae suae interdictae sunt, sed māchinīs castrōrum utī potestis, quae linguae tuae pārent. sī in forō linguā nōn tuā loquēris, nōlī labōrāre
>iūra hominis fere servāntur

illa legiō est.

>>212991207
>Greek - Italian
I'd say Greek - Spanish
They have a surprisingly similar pronunciation. Greek speakers can sound like native Spanish speakers in no time and vice versa.

>>212991207
Estonian - Italian
Russian - Spanish
Icelandic - Chinese
German - Korean
Swahili - Vietnamese

>>212992916
I was thinking from a geographical and cultural perspective, Greece and Spain are far apart, i think with Spanish, Catalan or Basque goes better.
Greek and Italian go well together because of Greco Roman heritage
>>212993019
kys

>>212991207
>Chinese - Japanese
>German - French
These are cool. Ultimate Asian and Ultimate European langs
French - Japanese
Italian - Japanese
German - Spanish
V4 - Nordic Countries

>>212993428
I'll mention you in my suicide note

Debating between Swedish or German … :/

nobody uses this general because you only allow methods that don't work. ALG should be the only method in the OP, like dreamingspanish and cijapanese

you should do literally nothing other than visual CI for the first 600-800 hours. Period. If you have a problem with that, then you're uneducated or a shill for some eceleb method.

>>212994949
Fags like to shill methods that don't work because they wasted thousands of hours of misery on them and it would make them feel like failures to drop it. Meanwhile they have egregiously bad accents and waste time on grammar rules in their head.
ALG should be the only method used by any teacher.

>>212994870
Swedish is easier but still relevant in many cases. German is harder but more universal

>>212994870
Nynorsk

>>212995255
Norwegian is supposed to have hard grammar like German , except nobody really speaks it whereas Swedish is in Finland and Sweden. I just don’t love the sound of it but oh well

>>212995389
Sounds like bullshit. There are no cases in Norwegian, so it is definitely easier for English speakers than German

>>212995787
Yeah sorry I meant tha sentence structure is the same as in German. I haven’t studied their alphabet or phonology yet. Main thing is no one speaks it

anyone got some cool norwegian resources or pro tips B1-B2? I'm getting kinda burned out on anki and text/workbooks

>>212996390
because your method doesn't work

>>212986366
Assimil + nature method + Anki with Refold IT1K is all you need to get out of the beginner stage, then you can move on to intermediate stuff on youtube, podcasts, graded readers, easier tv shows with subs + language reactor...

I don't know why people get hung up on one specific form of learner content. Whiteboard CI tends to be the most boring anyway...

>>212996390
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWQYqcFX8JE

>>212996488
No, it isn't. You will never become fluent if you do this. All that this will do is give you bad habits and be a miserable experience. You dumb Refold faggots have got to go.

>>212996621
I saw that video long ago and I followed some of her advices (mainly reading books with easy norwegian, and watching norwegian stuff or just using norwegian subs whenever they are avaible)

>>212996439
tell me more

>>212987525
I used it a little for learning Czech but gave up because I found the audio painful to dig through. Each file had multiple lessons in it and I didn't want do all of them, finding the audio for the lessons I wanted took longer than the lessons did. But the content was thorough, I might go back to it someday.

>>212996824
watch this old presentation and you will get redpilled on language acquisition unironically: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4C25550A857F59F0

the entire presentation is worth watching, not just the first video.

also: https://bradonomics.com/brown-autobiography/

ctrl+F "the methods" 2/2

>>212996949
Thank you Canada <3

Thread reminder to ignore the shills. Don't reply to them. Let them type sweet nothings to the void.

>>212997358
No, the Refold/Anki/AJATT -esque shills must be removed. They're causing permanent damage to anybody who comes here. Your OP is literally a Refold advertisement. Who do you think you're fooling?

Is it possible to learn just to read Japanese? Without the sounds, just the meaning transferred to the brain.

>>212997485
As if anyone reads the OP anyway.

I sure as shit don't.

>>212997518
how would that even work? I guess in theory it's possible to not know the pronunciation of purely kanji words and only recognize them as meanings, but what about words with okurigana? will you just skip over the kanji's reading and only read the kana?
the whole idea is stupid, no offense, but I want to entertain it and I can't quite get my head around what you mean

>>212997518
Possibly. You shall be the guinea pig in your own experiment.
Report back with how it goes

>>212996621
Why anyone would want to learn a Scandinavian language is beyond me
German is far superior

>>212998999
Got no use for German though. I regularly go to Denmark for long periods of time, hence it may be beneficial.

>>212999292
No one has ever learnt Danish

>>212999573
I have. Only to read and I have no idea why I'd done it in the first place, though.

>>212997518
There's like 5 sounds in the entire language. It's an absolute joke phonetically, especially for a Pole

>>212996621
Would like to know how good her accent is and what region she sounds like she's from. I had a nightmare of a time pronouncing that fucking language, even if it's an absolute joke on a grammatical level.

>>212998999
Because they sound a lot nicer (sans Danish), and German is just really boring

>>212997518
can a deaf person learn to read? if yes, then you are simulating being a deaf japanese person.
although to be fair, even deaf people probably "subvocalize" with signs since they tend to learn sign language before reading, so its not totally equivalent

>>213000538
>>213001016
I'm learning another language, but I thought I could just learn Japanese or Chinese characters in my free time.

>>213002416
sounds totally retarded

>>213002416
Right, ok, I get what you're saying. I can look at some symbols, know their meaning without their sounds. Japanese has 2 phonetic syllabaries thoujgh and you really must learn those

Nevermind. I'll stick with German. I'll start learning Japanese in about a year and a half or two, once I reach B1/B2 level in German

has anyone here actually paid for pimsleur? I have been able to find level 1 of finnish but not 2 and 3 and im tempted to get a subscription and record the audio lessons. But im wondering if they have any copyright protection on their website that would stop me from doing that, anyone know?

>>213002869
imagine paying for something taht doesnt work

>>213002869
Maybe finnish level 1 first then decide if you want to spend 20 bucks on it for the rest?

>>212998296
I've heard people online say they know the meaning of the word in kanji because they see how it's used, so they get the meaning but don't have a sound to play in their head. You could theoretically do that for the entire language, I guess.
I wouldn't know firsthand.
>>213002416
Well I guess you could do RTK or something. But even one-kanji words, like 間, can have the same kanji. Sometimes it's pronounced as あいだ, other times it's ま. You'd have to be able to tell if it's being used as a noun or an adverb for the correct meaning and you could get them mixed up in your head.

day 4 of listeningmaxxing.
I give up, there won't be a day 5

>>212988969
bro i'm sorry Fren but you probably have to pay a teacher for that specific type of comprehensible input.
I barely know what you are talking about, I have nastya for free for Russian and I'm lucky to have her. and that bitch doesn't let me rest with her blackboard and her notes. 2 half an hour videos or 4 sometimes 6 a week.

Find a YouTuber, and pay her. I searched and found nothing, it was dry. not many people interested in 3rd world Italy and taking advantage of that country. like I said, those people want to be left alone.

>>212989122
pay a private tutor and it will exist. tell her you want "CI" and she will tell you the same

>>213003330
You kind of have to listeningmax at some point if you ever want to do more than read books in Spanish
>>212987133
>Not even babies need those training wheels.
What yes they do lol, parents talk a lot in simple language to those babies. It's still important to babies' development that they passively hear a lot of language not directed at them, but they still get a lot of baby-oriented language, too.

>>213003807
but I don't understand shit when listening! I can read anything but my listening is so poor I can't even identify basic words. I feel so frustrated learning to listen

>>213003483
>Private tutor
>Her
You are hiring private tutors just to try and fuck them? You sly dog

>>213003807
Ignore this retard. You can change the wording as much as you want, we know you're the same faggot who shits up the thread with his gaylist.

>>213002787
learn Nynorsk

>>213004429
It might help to watch dubbed cartoons first. Their speech is clearer and slower, and there are visual cues to let you know what's happening anyway.
>>213004813
Who do you think I am?

oh no. another language has grabbed my attention. I want to start dabbling in hokkien. convince me to give it up and focus on my TL because there's no way I'll ever reach B1 in hokkien

>>213006219
>because there's no way I'll ever reach B1 in hokkien
Is this not enough to make you not want to do it?
What resources even are there for learning Hokkien?

>>213006290
I saw some videos in youtube that teach how to say hello and the numbers. Learning a new language always feels more rewarding than learning the one you've been studying for the past 6 years

>>213006219
Hokkien is cool though.

>>213005461
Like to add onto this, I can understand 100% of Little Witch Academia's dialogue 99% of the time:
https://youtu.be/1tTJbSL2M-w
But it's often hard at time to understand Alta Mar without using Spanish subtitles:
https://youtu.be/ZPHc_cpEP1
That's what I mean when I say cartoons are often a lot easier.

>>213006681
Bad YouTube link for the second one, my bad. Here's the proper link.
https://youtu.be/ZPHc_cpEP1o
>>213006219
Well if you like language learning that much, it might be fun as a palate cleanser even if you know you'll never be fluent.

>ugh i just looooove Language Learning™!!

How many hours of peppa pig can you handle in one day?

>>213003176
Yeah, it was stupid idea. Funny enough, but some time ago I learned kana and I still remember it pretty well
>>213005220
Bokmal is free written Danish

낮에는 따사로운 인간적인 여자
커피 한 잔의 여유를 아는 품격 있는 여자
밤이 오면 심장이 뜨거워지는 여자
그런 반전 있는 여자

>>213007764
25

>>213008368
5 videos at a time for 5 hours?

>>212987525
i've been listening to FSI chinese but it is lower in level than i am so it is really just tone practice. i'd say it is solid material though to learn from. more or less the same as my chinese university language course but much more convenient.

I have considered learning Korean purely because I have a rather morbid curiosity with regards to the DPRK.
I don't particularly care about the South, or anything it shits out.
Both seem like very fucked nations in their own regards.

Are there any resources that focus mainly on North Korean Korean?

>>213006815
but I want something to show for it too. I've been learning languages so much and right now I don't have much to show it for

>>213008699
i dunno. i just read bbc korea. i just read an article about how some women are allergic to semen, and some are allergic to their own cervical fluids. truly tranny-mindset-infested zogged crap, but good for language learning.

>>213008699
what is the difference? 70 years of new vocab?

>>213008926
i've noticed that norks pronounce words differently in a systematic way. e.g. sorks say "yori" for cooking while the norks pronounce it "ryori". sorks say "yook" for 6 while the norks pronounce it "ryook". they often at the r/l consonant to the beginning of hanja characters where the sorks have dropped it.

and they have some phrasal differences too.

>>213009021
>sorks say "yori" for cooking
Korean and Japanese belong to the same language family and the only reason this isn't an established fact is political enimity between the two countries.
Change my mind.

>>213008926
Supposedly there is some Russian and Chinese loan words, but the way in which they pronounce some things are different.
In theory I could just learn South Korean and then get input from DPRKs only TV channel which is easy to find a stream from.

>>213009154
Ongoing subject of research
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Japanese_and_Korean

>>212997518
Nah it's not doable because there's too much kana
If you want to do that learn Chinese or Classical Chinese

>all germans can speak english anyway, so it's a waste of time
>fairly popular german journalist with a focus no less on world events interviews Tucker
>this is how he sounds, the cream of the crop

https://x.com/olivergorus/status/1947340587880886624

lel

Ich höre ab und zu sein Podcast wenn es um etwas Interessantes geht. Hab nie ihn an sich so fesselnd gefunden aber oftmals sind seine Gäste doch hörenswert und erkenntnisreich was ihr Thema anbelangt. Ronzheimer ist mir immer als alles andere als durchsetzungsstark vorgekommen aber hier wirkt er regelrecht erschrocken. Sein Unbehagen ist ihm ins Gesicht geschrieben. Beim Anschauen des Clips habe ich ihn sogar bemitleidet. Der stolze amerikanische Bürger im starken Vergleich zum fügsamen deutschen Untertan. Bedauerlich zu sehen was aus den Deutschen geworden ist. Vielleicht ist es einfach an der Zeit, sie friedlich in die Vergessenheit geraten zu lassen.


But actually his english is surprisingly choppy for a such a prominent journo. Expected way better. I mean Merz speaks way better and he's much older.

Ich habe angefangen, zu "Tandem" verwenden. Ich halte es für gute Schriftausübung, Unterhalten sich mit einer Fräulein ist ein heftiger Anreiz.

>>212985345
Ich würde dir dringend davon abraten, mehrere Sprachen gleichzeitig zu lernen. Höchstens vielleicht zwei, aber nur wenn du bei einer davon ziemlich fortgeschritten bist, ansonsten bist du zum Scheitern verurteilt meiner Meinung nach.

>>212994949
Halt den Rand, du labbernde Schwuchtel. Du haust ohne Ende Schwachsinn raus aber ich hab nie dich deine Zielsprache schreiben gesehen. Nicht ein einziges Mal. Also warum sollten wir dir einen Deut Vertrauen schenken wenn du keine Beweise dafür geliefert hast, dass deine angeblich allen anderen Methoden überlegene Methode Früchte bringt?

>>212986366
There is an old tv show aimed at kids with a slow talking host that focuses on art, while dealing with colors he sometimes names them for commentary.
We call it «Art attack» and, if you are searching for it, a lot of its episodes are hosted on youtube:
https://youtu.be/bVwjRfLzhoQ?si=yq1vctH8U84QE4MN&t=913

>>213012907
>art attack
whoaa, didn't know that was elsewhere i europe

>>213012365
I understand. it's just that I'm 36, I'm smart enough and I have all day.
I juggle German and Russian just fine, Mandarin on top of it is gonna take a while.

I would like to be fluent in German and or Russian by the time I'm 40. but its more like 45 unless I seriously fuck up and do nothing.

doing nothing is the worst thing you can do.

>>213012365
He's only on hour 1500 watching Peppa Pig. You can't expect him to speak just yet can you? He might "damage" his abilities and forever have an accent

>>212996488
>I don't know why people get hung up on one specific form of learner content
Because I want the results of CI, i.e. sounding like a native and intuiting language rules. I don't want to sound like some retarded perma-learner like 90% of ESLs.

>>213013050
Thanks UK, you gave us the lovely format, although I never liked the ground art breaks, felt always forced.

>>213012907
Ty anon

>>213003448
Yeah I'm looking into this at the moment, trying to convince my gf to start a youtube channel like that.

>>212995821
Swedish and Norwegian are basically dialects of the same language. I can listen to Norwegian podcasts without straining my brain as long as they're not talking to some old guy in a remote fishing village or something.

If anything, Norwegian grammar is a little bit simpler than Swedish, but it's minor. Swedish is a bit more conservative, though people usually assume the opposite for some reason.

>>213013657
$$$$ Buona (?) Fortuna.

>>213013221
600-800 hours is what's seen in the ALG classes, which is like 4 hours per day for 6 months.

>>213013844
>>213013221

counting hours and shit, keep your negative advice niggers.
"diplomats" make it their job to learn languages and those cunts/women look pretty brown latinas.

I have all day. you just do it. got me there I don't feel confident about saying anything in German without fucking up but I understand plenty.
you let it simmer in your brain until you just come out and say it. its not going anywhere

>>213008699
learn Kyrgyz

I didn't study shit today...

>>213014719
could've been worse, you could've studied Russian

>>213014719
There's still time

>>213013934
FSI counts hours, too. They just also count classroom time and don't count the time you spend listening to and reading the language.
It's a good measure because you might say "I've been studying for five years, and I still suck!" and it actually turns out you've studied sparsely, 600 hours in total or something.

>>213014868
Meant to attach this image

>La Mirada Inmovil
What is even the point of this book, 50 pages in and literally nothing has happened yet. Something is about to happen, but I've fallen asleep twice waiting for it to happen.

>>212992519
I don't want a polished experience though that sounds gay and boring.

>>213014719
dormī, surgē, studē

>>213014719

>Muh method
>No, my method!
>My accent!
Is this general just filled with 12 year olds who watched youtube polyglott video essays or something?

>>213016256
So what's your method? You do have one, right?

I just watch videos and listen to podcasts

>>213016458
>>213016302
>Do anki
>Input of various kinds
Wa-la.

>>213015761
Latin looks cool but sounds dorky spoken aloud

Whats the point to learning Yiddish when Hebrew exists?

>>213016256
>thinks different methods don't produce different results

>Results
There's your problem. No (you) for you, once you get 2 years into language learning if you've put any effort in at all you just stop caring about "results" and "methods" and other meaningless things.

>>213016867
That's what makes these discussions so fun.
Once you've actually gotten there and had success you naturally learn what's important is just decent regular practice.
It makes it really easy to spot the guys still at the beginning worried about shit that doesn't matter.
Then some beginner starts preaching about X being absolutely necessary when you and 10 successful people you know have never even heard of it.

Like teenagers trying to teach married adults about relationships.

>>213016867
>>213017033
Ok, show 5 examples of purely textbook learners who could pass for natives.
You can't, because they don't exist. If you aren't doing this, or any goal, for a specific result then you're just wasting time and have nothing to offer.

I'm not giving you a you and no one believes your VPN.
No body mentioned textbook only, everyone said input of various kinds is necessary.
You argue in bad faith

>>213017098
Yeah, wasn't even worth replying to. They need to try harder.

>>212991207
For me, it's French-German

>>212994949
Anon, are you aware that you're claiming that only a method invented like 10 years ago can possibly lead to language learning? Do you suppose then that for the entirety of human history no one ever learned a language other than their first?

>>213016542
sīc

>>213016256
meta discussions about methods have always plagued this general, and now that's all the general is
at least back in the day it used to be 50-50 methodposting and languageposting
now it's just methodposting and it should be a permabannable offense

>>213018059
5-6 years ago I used to come by with random vocab questions like
>Can I use "doce" (sweet in Portuguese) in the sense of "that story was very sweet or cute" or is it just for food
and immediately start having really in depth convos about how it can be used that way, but might be a bit more flirtatious than the English version etc.

I'd try to help with English, people would post what they were practicing, hang out while taking a 15 minute break then go back to grinding another episode of some series.
It's sad that died. That kind of language lounge with randos passing through doesn't really exist elsewhere.

>>213018310
Oh, that sort of discussion definitely exists, but only on various Discord servers

>>213018310
based oldfag
been here on and off for 7 years myself and made many friends since
used to bump the thread off of page 7 (lmao, how ironic) constantly throughout the night when everyone was asleep

>>213018488
maybe we should give the /lang/cord another go at a public invite
but we keep getting insane schizos every time we try, it feels like

>>213018617
SVEN!

making friends with homosexuals is easy because all you have to do is just have sex with them

>>213018310
These days everyone asks an AI those questions to get instant answers. Same reason people don't do challenges here anymore. AI can come up with infinite challenges and instantly correct your mistakes.

I'll do a challenge

>>213016542
You're not doing it right.

>>213018786
O Himmel; hvad Dårskap!

>>213018847
half the posters here are already challenged

>>212992637
Have you tried the FSI grind? I always wonder if it’s just a meme.

>>213016302
>Read textbooks, media, news, etc
>Take classes
>Get a tutor (online if it’s a third world language)
>hang out with people that use that language and have a relationship in it
>use the fucking language

I speak fluently
>German, English, French
also have learned some or am learning
>Turkish, Spanish, Italian

I’ve had relationships with women of all the above with the exception of Italian. I have many ties to Italy/Italians though.

Played around with as well
>Russian and German Sign Language

>>213009154
It's just Chinese derived words (料理 in this case), of course they'll sound similar not just between Japanese and Korean, but with Chinese too, most of the time anyway.
This is like saying English and Turkish are related because they both use terms with Latin roots (e.g. technique - teknik).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Xenic_vocabularies

>>213018659
I made friends with a few guys over the years who I didn't know were gay, but then the friendships went south when they started coming onto me too strong.

>>213019908
>I have many ties to Italy/Italians though.
Anon is part of the mob

>>213019719
I have started using the FSI resources. They're surprisingly good.
The biggest flaw with them is the audio.
I found it easier to just sit down and split the audio up into smaller segments using audacity.
saves a lot of time in the long run.

>>213018786
Challenges on here were only for ego boosts anyways, no one actually learns from them

>>212995821
Many German dialects are more different between each other than Norwegian and Swedish

>>213022117
I’m unironically a godfather to an Italian. Just not that kind of godfather.

>>213016746
If you live in Williamsburg and not Tel Aviv

Why do those who pronounce WHAT and WHY as hoo-wat and hoo-wai not do so with WHO as hoo-woo?

Ohhhh yeaaahhhhh!

>>213024963
can you count to 10?

>>213024963
What language?

>>213025283
¿Dónde está el baño?

>>213025511
You need to find stock images with brown people to use for spanish.

>>213024438
Maybe because it's easy for "wo" and "wu" to just become "o" and "u". Kind of like how "sword" is pronounced "sord" and "whore" sounds like "hore"

I don't want to learn German anymore. But I'm tired of dabbling. It's not even that I don't like the language, because I do, but I'm just not keen on it right now; don't have the passion for it. I guess mainly because I deal with them and Germanophiles online. It's like Japanese ruined by weebs for many Americans
Dutch seems cool but not really useful if I won't emigrate there. Same with Scandinavian languages. When I learn Italian, I want Spanish, and vice versa. I'm afraid of French because it's already filtered me, pronunciation is really important, and I don't really have any plans to go there anytime soon (wages too low for emigration, prices too high for vacations compared to other countries). Japanese seems cool but useless. I don't know and probably won't meet any Japanese people, I won't be going there anytime soon and I'm a bit fed up with Japanese pop culture right now.

what do you do when your TL produces no good cinema, shows, music, or literature

Is modern Greek underrated? you almost never see anyone learning it even though it's great for holidaymaxxing and gives you a solid vocabulary base if you ever want to learn ancient greek for the kino lit

>>213027726
Let me guess, spanish?

>>213027726
German?

>>213027726
Watch dubbed shit and read translated books.

>>213027726
Stop studying it and study something you would enjoy instead.

>>213026812
dude just learn what's fun, you don't need a cost-benefit analysis for learning a language
only english actually deserves being learned for reasons beyond entertainment and intellectual stimulation
it sounds like you're minmaxing during character creation right now, oh this language perk is fun to use but it can potentially result in 10% lower wages so I should learn this other language instead

>>213027726
find something else to read, 2000 years of the fucking thing, there has to be something there that someone wrote that's decent

>>213027726
French?

>>213012032
I have no idea who Ronzheimer is, but journalism isn't the same any more than it was 15 years ago. If you take someone like Claus Kleber, for example, for comparison, you see that German journalists and their English were better in the past. I wouldn't call that guy in your xitter-post cream of the crop, but I haven't watched German TV in ages.

Aside from that, it's a meme that all Germans can speak English anyway and I have stated and explained such in this general too many times to count.

>>213030218
Pic related (from the book "Speak German!" by Wolf Schneider).
~60 per cent of Germans can't really speak English, 40 per cent might at best speak a bit of English they learnt in school or for business, and about 10 per cent speak it in such a capacity, that you can say "they speak English".
And despite the internet and social media, it probably won't get any better.

>>213026812
>It's not even that I don't like the language, because I do, but I'm just not keen on it right now; don't have the passion for it.

You unlock "passion" once you make enough progress to feel good about what you're doing. This switcharoo shit is the beginner's curse, it only happens to people that overthink at the start and haven't put enough time into the hobby to get any meaningful results. Learn the top 1000 most common words, read one (1) graded reader from start to finish, understand a TL video from start to finish, get through one movie or tv show episode while doing lookups, put 100 hours of effort into your TL, achieve any kind of meaningful milestone and you will feel good about it. And once you feel good about it, you realize you can put in some more work and experience it again.

>>213030218
>>213030514

>Aside from that, it's a meme that all Germans can speak English
I was just joking mostly.

>And despite the internet and social media, it probably won't get any better.

I actually think it might get worse with AI, since the incentive will be gone to learn english. A german teen can just have youtube auto-dub his vid into german nowadays or in the very near future at least. Also, you guys dub movies and tv anyway and have a big enough german-ecosystem online that you don't really need the anglo-internet.

>>213030621
>A german teen can just have youtube auto-dub his vid into german nowadays or in the very near future at least
If your Youtube is set to German, quite a lot of videos already get auto-dubbed by AI

>>213017065
I have met literally hundreds of thick-accented foreigners in America and abroad who have done nothing but input English media their entire lives, but rarely spoke to English speakers, never practiced their accents, etc. and they all have thick accents and basic grammar errors.

bump

Is French that hard to listen to for people who are native speakers of romance languages? I know Spanish, but I'm not a native speaker of it. I know a few French words and, when watching a Netflix dib in French for fun occasionally, recognize a good amount of words that sound like Spanish ones without having studied the language, so it's not as others describe where the sounds whiz past your ears and you can't tell where one word ends and another begins.
This isn't a humblebrag, just genuinely curious if maybe it'd be even easier for an actual native speaker of Spanish or Portuguese or Italian or similar.

>>213025511
o-tearai-wa doko deska?

>>213024438
Shut the fuck up you literally who-woo country

thinking about dropping polish and going back to russian

daily reminder that ALG is the only method that actually works

respondē in aliā linguā, futūtor

>>213036870

Fucked up that I know like 6000 words in French and still encounter new ones constantly.

>>213038260
It’s a lifelong process. I consider myself fairly well read and I still regularly encounter unfamiliar words even in English.

>>213038342
I consider myself well-read, too, but encountering words I don't know is quite rare for me at this point. I think it must be possible to get to that point in a non-native language, it just takes a very long time.

might dabble in norwegian actually

>>213038260
Just wait until you're somewhere between 20-30k in and still encounter a few everyday

>>213038260
I learned 18k plus german words through a custom memerise deck and I still find new words constantly (or just new ways the same word is used). You just gotta accept it.

>>213039486
because your method doesnt work

ALG input anki usefulness harry potter duolingo stephen krashen native pronunciation

>>213038999
dabble in sumerian instead

>>213038342
I mean sure but in English I'll sometimes encounter 1-2 new words per book while with French it's still sometimes as often as a multiple words per page. I can read easier books fine. I wouldn't encounter many unknown words in my TL while reading Harry Potter at this point, but anything more difficult and the unknowns start piling up.
>>213039294
>>213039486
It's especially bad when you get into a show/book that has specific focus you've never read about in your tl. Like you could know 10,000 words then read a book about weightlifting and suddenly realize you don't know the words for any exercises in your TL. It makes me feel like I just started learning the language 2 days ago lol.

>>213035173
French is easy for an English speaker, even

>>213028842
It's the reason why I don't play rpg video games. Too many options to min-max.
>>213030565
That means when it's too late if I screw up my build

Thanks to the British anon who recommended I watch "Four Weddings and a Funeral". Great movie.

>>213041466
>It's too late if I screw up my build
Being a dabbler automatically screws up your build, so does hopping to another language - it slows you down so massively that you might as well just give up right there.
Basically the only way to get through a lack of motivation is to double down along with finding new input methods - find the sloppiest slop you can find and just watch that if you can't stand anything else.

Honestly if you aren't at your 3rd / 4th WILLFULLY (not native / when you were young) learned language you can't be switching at all, you just have to double down and learn the shit or you'll never ever learn anything in your life.

>>213012032
>Choppy
I wouldn't even call that choppy, he's just a leftoid losing an argument. You can't really have a "natural" conversation if the other guy just laughs at ridiculous things you're saying. Many people aren't sure of their beliefs / opinions and they sound like that when they don't really believe what they say. Frankly if I was to rate that honestly it would be far past c2.

Stop treating your languages like they're cards in a Yugioh deck

>>213043399
This
I regret starting new languages so much
I wish I could just be like most dabblers and abandon my languages because I know I won't ever return to them, as it is my intention is to study them one day and so stopping now would just throw away progress unnecessarily
God I wish I could go back in time and grind at least 100000 pages of French first

>>213043498
>>213012032
OK he does kind of flop at the end, missing a couple vocabulary words maybe, I'd still put it past C2.

How many languages can you speak at a native / near-native level at once? We're talking about a normal person with a job and a hobby other than languages, not linguists or language youtubers

>>213044100
you people are so fundamentally retarded it pisses me off.

first of all, anything you dont use, you lose. so knowing like 10 languages is retarded and nobody really has every done that. you're not using several languages regularly no matter who you are.

second of all, just learning 3 foreign languages to a native level(actually native level via ALG) will take you like 20 years. you Refold faggots have the dumbest fantasies and have no basis in reality.

>anything you dont use, you lose
No shit. I'm just genuine curious how many languages you can know at high level without loosing anything or only a little. Besides, once you learn something and forget, it's easier to relearn it
>ALG
>refold
Don't care, didn't ask

>>213030721
the auto-dubbing is terrible and it wont let you turn it off
youtube has gone off the deep end

>>213045133
poleanon, i have no way of verifying what i'm about to say but i feel like 3-5 languages feels like the sweet spot for high-level-language-knowing while also being realistic that learning at least three languages is still years upon years of dedication and consistency to get to a self-appreciable level. i imagine pushing yourself you could really squeeze out all of your brain juice to get those two more languages.

im so fired up im going to spend the whole night dabbling in norwegian

>>213045606
vurder nøye valgene du treffer i livet ditt

>>213045586
I’d say for an English speaker the range is substantially lower if the languages are far removed. Reading comprehension in particular benefits greatly from being closely related so it makes me have this idea on the backburner of trying to speedrun romance reading due to my small background french and latin education. But alas, I am learning Korean so I’ll need like 5 years for that first.

>>213046271
gl, anon and stay persistent. your reasoning makes complete sense to me; i'm learning latin because i like it and i also am recognizing what makes languages work and provides a greater understanding for future languages (personally, spanish and in the further future, russian).

>>213007180
Everyone knows this. This is one of the Gayest generals. Just looks at how many tight young swedish and latin twinks hang around here.

>>213014719
Yeah I studied Shit today: The Portugese Language

>>213018617
You just have to ban the insane schizos and the destructive retards, which you can actually do there. Meanwhile here we just have to accept the damage with no recourse

>>213018786
I absolutely do this, sorry lads but AI is too strong for language learning. I can get extremely exhaustive breakdowns on every grammatical or linguistic topic imaginable on a level of mechanical autism that is beyond the reach of even the most devoted langposter.

>>213022088
I'm not even gay, I just sexually harass straight men as a power move

>>213027726
Such is the fate of every english native

>>213046470
audī, scurra. sola persona molla tua hīc est.

>>213038260
I still encounter new words in english sometimes and my ass is like 35 years old. This never goes away

>>213044100
3 tops, more likely 2.

>>213044100
This all depends on what you mean by "native level". If you mean "C1 - professionally fluent" where you can comprehend and express yourself on complex topics reliably, probably up to like 5 if you devote an hour plus a day for like 30+ years and you have good language learning aptitude. If you mean "understand it purely by heart including intuitively grasping all new words, slang, cultural and historical nuances that natives just get" then probably 2 or 3 at best like the other guy said.

I was listening to this song
https://youtu.be/BXDAtKNXYJ0
and in the lyric there was this word 卡拉米, which didn't look chinese at all, i tried to look up its meaning, apparently it means something along the line of a insignificant side character. The origin of the word is unknown, from what i can gather it's from the northeastern dialect, some people say it came from japanese, korean, or even manchu.

>>213040614
>It's especially bad when you get into a show/book that has specific focus you've never read about in your tl.

happened to me many times along the way. I read Dune a couple months ago in German and was bombarded with ecological and specifically obscure desert-related words.

>>213039728
has nothing to do with method. It has to do with the fact that a native speaker knows like 40k words.

was habt ihr heute gelernt

>>213047094
gewichst

>>213043399
i learn ur mom ass

>>213047094
ich habe den arsch deiner Mutter gelernt

>>213047420
meine mutter ist tot

>>213047768
like tater tot?