Overall how is ww2 percieved there nowadays? Do they see themselves in the tradition of the red army or the partisans?

>>212986281 (OP)
Obviously. Ukrainians were literally the first nation to try to resist pre-WW2 european dismemberment in march 1939 (for few days, but still)

>>212986281 (OP)
Ukraine got so fucked in WW2. Double and triple encirclements everywhere with large cities put to siege. Mass killings perpetuated by both Nazis and USSR.

>>212986281 (OP)
I'd say simularly to how the soviets are perceived nowadays, as both were catastrophic for us. The historical discourse has largely shifted towards the role of the independence fighters during the war, as the perception and the role of the soviet union is being reevaluated.

chessboard for big empires wars
always was always will be

>>212986687
>both were catastrophic for us
Same. Grannies were both 6-8 at the end of the war they still remember some of it

>>212986750
Same for Afghanistan but look how they persevered. Btfo 3 empires, two are gone one is if chuds are right in its last years.

I imagine not too dissimilarly from the rest of these. They don't view you as the good guys but since then they've bigger fish to fry.

>>212986896
Never saw fins care about rusissies. They just view them as retarded poor fins with nukes.

>>212986922
That's a strange opinion from that flag. Finns even still do mandatory military service because of them after all this time.

>>212987003
every country near yours has mandatory subscription because of your retardation albeit

>>212986896
Almost every red country lost something, but Ukraine only won from WW2

>>212987024
The outcome of WW2 was neutral at best for us, with those colossal losses and total destruction.

>>212986281 (OP)
The first thing the pro-Western Ukrainian government did when it came to power in an unconstitutional coup d'état was to lift the ban on the glorification of Nazism in Ukraine. Monuments to Stepan Bandera, neo-Nazi battalions, UNA-UNSO are the heroes of Ukraine, Bandera is the father of the nation. A woman in Ukraine who went out on May 9 wearing a cap with a Soviet army star was arrested by police for displaying “Soviet symbols.” Video: https://t.me/readovkanews/96123

Do you have any other doubts?

>>212986281 (OP)
>us
I thought there were evil Nazis who weren't representing the whole German nation AND that peaceful German nation of scientists, humanitarians etc and these two weren't the same entity.

>>212987003
>still do mandatory military service because of them
Us too kek.

>>212987218
Same could be said about ukraine war. I thought you only fight banderites and not Ukrainians. Its just a way of saying

>>212987180
>>212987198
>>212987220
Same happened here, no one knew they would be assholes in the end. You are looking at this without historical context.

>>212987249
I don't fight anyone though.

>>212987286
You are giving silent consent to it though

>>212987298
Uh I don't want to be killed in prison.

>>212987154
>>212987180
>>212987198
>>212987220
damn I had no idea Ukrainians were this based

>>212987286
I did though

>>212986281 (OP)
Ukrainians as a real nation (native land: Galicia, modern western Ukraine - home of their language and culture.) are members of Hitler's coalition (i.e. your allies). In 1941 the eastern and middle eastern inhabitants of modern day Ukraine were still Russians in both self-definition and culture, many of whom were born in the Russian Empire. Modern Ukraine is essentially a federation of many nations, but the Ukrainian government is actively trying to suppress this, for example by imposing cultural bans (fines for listening to Russian-language music, Russian-language books have been removed from libraries) and language regulation by a language ombudsman, essentially presenting their country as a national republic in the image of Galicia, which is clearly not the case. These actions are neo-Nazi in nature, and fully justify every gram of gunpowder produced in Russia.

>>212987329

>>212987112
In political sense we were relatively good
>no loss of independence, status quo
>no loss of controlled territory, only gain
>all without receiving reputation of an aggressor
Even with the millions of victims we remained with population bigger than in almost all neighbours. And loss of small ethnic territory in Poland in 1947 isn't that big of a deal. I'd say Ukraine won overall

>>212986551 btw I'm a retard who misread "us" as "themselves", wtf. Then the answer is no

>>212987341
The UNA-UNSO raped Polish women and slaughtered Polish villages.
Yes, you're right, they are really based.

>>212987408

>>212987383
>Укpaинa
>Tюpьмa нapoдoв
Nigga don't tell me you are for real. You do know who coined the prison of the peoples phrase and which cunt he was referring too?

>>212986281 (OP)
>do they see us as the good guys in ww2

Well let's see. You could have presented yourselves as Christian liberators there to save Ruthenia from the godless communists who starved their people and burned down almost every church. You could have presented yourselves as allies to secure an easy route to the Caucasus and attacked the main oil supply, thereby totally crippling the soviet war machine. You could have even ruled over the land as kings in a continuation of German claims in Galicia. But instead, you decided to brand them as subhumans only fit for slave labor and the land reserved for German lebensraum, and sent them to camps, so the entire population decided to resist and become partisans, thus you got bogged down in kursk and stalingrad and eventually lost the war.

So you tell me, are you the good guys or bad guys?

>>212987461
У pycни пepeфopc нa пepeфopce

>>212987341
>pooplish edukationska
keeeek give them more money and wepans, bro xd

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rzeź_wołyńska

>>212987408
? UNSO only fought against Moldova, Abkhazia, Russia, Armenia and maybe Kosovo

>>212987497
>autohided pidorashka
I don't read Ukrainian flags since 2020, sorry

>>212987461
Nigger, in Russia every language of every nationality is equal to the state language. Include Ukrainian.

>>212987408
>>212987488
they fought against the Judeo-Bolshevik world order which is based in my book
I don't care about Pooplacks and the Poolish nation, otherwise I wouldn't be here but outside socializing with my compatriots. those Poolacks that were killed by OUN-UPA are collateral damage in the crusade against Jews and Marxism, they were irrelevant in the grand scheme of things

>>212987398
>>no loss of independence, status quo
We didn't have a state since 1921, anon
>>no loss of controlled territory, only gain
If you mean that ethnic Ukrainian territory was added to other ethnic territory - yes
>>all without receiving reputation of an aggressor
Guess why

>>212987341
Basedest polack

>>212987154
>>212987180
>>212987198
>>212987220
Based. Ukraine should become full national socialist and execute all commies.

>>212987609
Translate from polackska:
>They slaughtered us in packs, but the main thing is that they fought against the Bolsheviks, who built us an academy of sciences so that we would not be such a disgrace in the world. That's why they're cool and based.

>>212987656
>We didn't have a state since 1921
exactly
>ethnic Ukrainian territory was added to other ethnic territory
AFAIK only Bulgaria somehow achieved this. But their reputation was tarnished. My point was that Ukraine's WW2 experience is different from those countries

>>212987776
>academy of sciences
The most useless waste of Soviet money.
Second: sending a Polish cosmonaut into space.

>>212987812

>>212987609

Slavs are the enemies of human civilization.

>>212987883

>>212987883
POTTERY coming from a anglokike

>>212987876

>>212987898
Easy faggot, some of the dumbest of them all are fighting for your nigger fentanyl LGBT values.

>>212987776
>but the main thing is that they fought against the Bolsheviks
yes and I mean Bolsheviks not Russians. most Russians I've known are cool but Bolsheviks (who were mostly Jewish btw) should burn in hell
>who built us an academy of sciences
what? I have no idea what you're talking about
>>212987876
like I said I praise OUN-UPA for fighting the Judeo-Bolshevik menace but I also acknowledge that modern Ukraine has nothing in common with Banderist ideals despite frequent namedropping

>>212987994
>pooplod ultracopium
Didn't read

Why do Slavic ppl hate each other (and themselves) so much?

>>212987876
>he can't recognize a blatant lie

>>212987967
>nigger fentanyl LGBT values
i didn't ask about russhit culture

>>212986281 (OP)
yes
>muh holodomor

>>212987883
no, that would be Jews and their Anglo golems

pidors are obsessed with hohols

>>212988031
Slavs generally lost the same war in 1922 as you guys did in 1945. Its guilt that we got tricked and destroyed by jews. Decades of genetic purging of the honorable and heroic in favor of the subversive and sneaky. Communism obliterated Slavs beyond what you can imagine.

>>212988077
Sad. But at least your countries are 99% white. So there is still hope for your people, while the Germanic race is doomed. Remember us when we're gone

>>212988040
>rushit culture
Taught your nigger nation how to wash with soap, you stupid nigger. Although, washing is not the culture of French niggers to this day.

>>212988115
Slovenia is over run by serbs and bosnians

>>212988115
>But at least your countries are 99% white.
nobody tell him

>>212988118
>nigger nation
again i didn't ask about russhitia

>>212988165
Nobody needs your permission, nigger, lmao

>>212988074
>pidors
Why do you say that about the Poles? I thought you guys were friends

>>212987876
ZZZZZZZZZZZZ

ukrainians have collective schizofrenia when it comes to nazi germany

>>212987180
Surely you must have done something horrible to make them march with a hitler portrait

>>212988129
they all look the same to me

>>212988031
Slavs are just retarded subhumans. Think of every trait you hate all the foreigners coming from MENA for and Slavs have all of them. There is literally nothing to like sbout this race of warmongers that never accomplished anything in their thousands of years of history

Personally If Hitler wanted to forcefully germanize all Slavs instead of outright genociding them I would fully support the nazis

>>212988279
this
i saw a bunch of abondoned shopping carts at lidl parking lot today

>>212988279
>>212988313
This is exactly what I am talking about. Stop hating yourself and be proud of your heritage

Glad to see slavic schizo retards are fighting here without my help

The ukraine should be a region of Greater Germany.

>>212988355
There is nothing to be proud of, no Slavic nations have any great accomplishments in eithee arts or sciences, the best thing our wretched race managed to do is make a half-assed copy of trends from the West and have a few (still fewer than any Western country) talented individuals

Slavs are so pathetic some of them still worship the Nazis, like the Croats or Slovenian, despite the fact that these Nazis wanted to completely eradicated our cultures, languages and most of our populations, simply because they hate being associated with Slavicism. That's why If you talk to Croats they largerly view themselves as "Germanics speaking a Slavic language", and why they're still proud to this day of their great grandfather fighting for Hitler.

I mean, why would you ever respect people who don't respect themselves

>>212988279
Slavs if assimilated can be redeemed indeed. I know multiple poles and russians that grew up here and they turned normal humans. Thats why no problem getting slav wife since my genes + upbringing will turn the child normal

>>212988491
TRVKE
I don't see why I should be proud of my nationality and stop self-hating, I already hate myself for being an ugly miserable subhuman so one more trait to hate myself for isn't that much

>>212988491
>>212988523
at least you're not niggers

>>212988586
If I were a n*gger at least maybe Polish women would want me

Everyone take note of the pooplish trickery. They call Slavs subhumans because they pretend to be Germanic or some shit. Maciej YOU ARE THE STINKY SLAV YOURSELF.

>>212988523
I'm not self-hating, I'm just a realist. I'm not going to be one of these retards who has their own alternative view of history because looking at this truthfully hurts their feefees. The fact of the matter is that all Slavic nations are embarassing at best, and pathetic at worst. Czechs, Slovenians, Croats are pathetic for trying to associate themselves with Germans, or even thinking they're Germans who just speak a Slavic language. It's like a mystery meat mulatto from Brazil thinking they're Western Europeans. It's cuckish behavior for losers that need a superior daddy to lead their culture. Poles, Serbs and Ukrainians are pathetic because despite the fact they don't view themselves as Germans and generally embrace their Slavic origins they are suspectible to what I call "Wakanda syndrome" where they present an extremely flawed view of history to make themselves look more relevant. Polacks will literally look you in the eye and say that the only reason why Paris isnt 99% muslim right now is because we defeated the Turks at Vienna, or they will say that we would still think the Sun revolves around the Earth if not for Copernicus. Russians are pathetic because everywhere they go they bring misery, and the average Russian lives like a subhuman poorfag despite the fact that they are literally the biggest, most resource rich nation on Earth. Americans have half the land Russians have and only existed as a country for 250 years but in that time they managed to create a society that's 20x more prosperous, wealthy and culturally influential than Russia

>>212988693
You're an irrelevant subhuman too, all Balts fall in the same category as Czechs or Croats, except that instead of pretending to be Germanic you try to associate yourself with Nordcis/Scandinavians. It's always Baltshits, not Swedes or Norwegians that are desperate to be categorized as "Northern Europe". It's as pathetic as Czechs or Poles going on and on about "muh Central Europe!"

>>212988786
>>212988754
Damn, Polish flag is dropping some serious TRVKES today
This ain't Enola Gay, this is a TRVKE carpet bombing

I think for Croats, Ukrainians and Balts Nazi Germany is seen as a net positive for the national cause on net, but also malignant to different degrees.

>>212988786
Politicians not people. Ask a Lithuanian who isn't a soyberg drinking his little soy latte for 20 euro in Wilno old town what region this cunt belongs to, it will be eastern Europe every damn time.

>>212986281 (OP)
It’s complicated.
In general the rule is that eastern Russian speaking Ukrainians see themselves as their ussr ancestors, and western Ukrainian speaking Ukrainians as their bandera pro nazi ancestors.
But there are several levels to this. There are plenty of eastern pro ussr anti Russia ukrainians who fight for the Ukrainian state because they believe in it, whatever it might be . And there are also some and I ve also met western Ukrainian speaking Ukrainians who identify and assimilated to the Russian side. An example of this is the Bayern player Tymoschuk, he was the only Ukrainian speaking Ukrainian in the Ukraine national football team and he became pro Russia, eventually after moving to Russia.

>>212988814
Everything I said applies to Romanians, Hungarians and other Eastern Europeans, too, I just couldn't be bothered to disseminate all of them aswell. It's always hilarious when some Baltshit or Romanian tries to dunk on Slavs even though the same shit they make fun of Slavs for applies to their countries too kek. It's literally like browns making fun of black/other browns for their white masters approval. The only reason why we have a Polish plumber stereotype associated with us instead of Lithuanians is because there ar 10x as many of us in the world, If populations were reversed it would be Lithuanians being made fun of by westies

>>212988850
The identity will also be BVLTIC not some nord shit or sl*v. Although you can make the argument that Lithuania is actually a Scandinavian country because it just a large Swedish bank that looks like a country.

My gramps told how german troops were hailed as liberators in Ukraine with girls throwing them flowers and shit

>>212988850
>Sar we are Eastern European only soybergs think we Nordic!!
>>212988881
>Erm, akshually did you know that Lithuanian is literally just one big Swedish bank, isnt that quirky and scandinavian sir?
Like pottery lmao

>>212988877
we're latin albeit

>>212988929
Don't put words in my mouth you can read haven't you? That Swedish bank statement wasn't praise it is pathetic that we are their financial colony.

>>212988938
You're still a country that hasn't accomplished anything significant and whose history can be summarised as being passed around by different empires, and your diaspora is mainly associated with stealing and scamming westies. Nothing about it is inherently bad, you aren't responsible for what your countrymen do in the west nor should you feel any shame for what happened in the past, it's only cringe when you try to elevate yourself above other eastern european trash even though youre just like the rest of us. Romanians do this by associating themselves with Latin countries, like sure you speak a Latin language, but let's not pretend like Romania made substantial contribution to Latin civilisation lmao. It's like Eastern Europeans trying to dunk on browns by calling them brown, when the only reason why whiteness is seen as a good thing is because of what western euros accomplished, which is stuff that estoids have nothing to do with
>>212988962
>Although you can make the argument that Lithuania is actually a Scandinavian country
>I'm a proud BALTIC BVLLS but by the way sir did you know that you could actually kind of scandinavian
lmao

>>212989095
Shouldn't have added that meme phrase at the end, this thing doesn't do sarcasm.

>>212988841
That's nonsense

>>212986281 (OP)
In my opinion, the nazis are largely seen the same way as the soviets, both are evil. We mostly associate ourselves with the OUN and UPA parrisans.

>>212989320
How are the few ww2 red army veterans treated nowadays? Is victory day a thing in Ukraine ?

>>212988063
And slavs are the jews most loyal servants

>>212989095
we're latin

>>212989376
Considering that I'm just a NEET sitting in front of a computer, I can't really say how it is IRL for sure. But in the media they're largely ignored nowadays. Nobody wants any harm to them, but they're not really treated like heroes here. As for the victory day, no, we no longer have it. Instead it's the day of remembrance for those who have lost their lives in WW2, on 8th of May.

>>212989542
>Mykola can NEET but not me
How do you do it? Fucking hell.

Galizien Division > OUN goys

Wasnt communism banned in some of these eastern european countries?

The owning classes of these countries are using modern russian chauvinism as an excuse to change history & throw dirt at the first workers' state

This is to appeal to the reactionary European Union, which is hell bent on destroying workers organizations and any remant of centuries old social democratic institutions

>>212988115
>Sad. But at least your countries are 99% white
How much do genetics matter if your society is garbage?

>>212990717
social cohesion matters

>>212990732
There's more social cohesion in black hoods of America than among Serbs especially now.
>>212986281 (OP)
>Overall how is ww2 percieved there nowadays? Do they see themselves in the tradition of the red army or the partisans?
All I'm gonna say is I think bad of any Slav that supports nazims but other than that I like both Ukrainians and Russians. Frequently, worship of nazi symbols is spread out amongst all east Slavs.

>>212986687
bro you were the soviets

>>212986281 (OP)
Yes because they are nazi sympathizers.
Similar to Chetniks but even more similar to Ustashas and Homeguerds

>>212990916
Chetniks were not willing nazi symphatisers though. The reason they started getting "closer" to Germans (more like, be their henchmen in some situations) is because they couldn't get any weapons. Partisans had the weapons factories, the support from USSR, while Chetniks were not helped by the Allies at all.
So, the only way for them to stay relevant and get weapons is by asking Germans for weapons, and the reason why Germans gave them weapons despite chetniks still fighting against them is because they also fought the communists.
Also, I side with neither partisans or chetniks.

>>212990916
>>212989281

>>212989281
>2012
Well, you also used to be pro-Russian then, at least socially speaking, things have changed in this too?
People go by associations and since you associate Russia with USSR (even though, thruthfully speaking I don't think it's like that), since you're at war with them you're probably going (or already did) distance yourself from pro-Soviet anti-German view of WWII?

>>212991004
I read that Zelensky was elected on an anti-war platform, but then he was bullied by the fascists and the (((NGOs))) into taking an anti-russian stance. Is this true?

>>212991113
>I read that Zelensky was elected on an anti-war platform, but then he was bullied by the fascists and the (((NGOs))) into taking an anti-russian stance
I think the war forced him to take an anti-Russian stance.

>>212989095
Fuck off slavanimal. I'd rather associate myself with a Guatemalan or an indio nigga from the andean hoods than with other slavanimals. Even gypsies are above you. You try to lump us together with your kind but you forget to say that you all are warmongering violent dickheads while we are the only peaceful people in the entire Eastern Europe.

>>212990994
Čića Draža had very few control over the Chetnik movement and some of Chetniks collaborated from the start, or even more astonishingly, with Ustashas.
Furthermore, they refused to engage in guerilla warfare and stayed in their villages which made them vulnurable. Because Germans responded to every dead German soldier with a massacre of one village. This is why Draža more or less stopped resisting and just waited for allies to win. And towards the end of the war he briefly collaborated with nazis against partisans because he thought Germany would lose anyway and he used this opportunity to gain political advantage after the war.
Although towards the end of the war Draža perhaps was still an anti fascist deep down, majority of his people already decided that Germans were the lesser evil

>>212991214
>Čića Draža had very few control over the Chetnik movement and some of Chetniks collaborated from the start, or even more astonishingly, with Ustashas.
I know, but those few groups that outright collaborated are worthless to talk about except for scaremongering and virtue-signalling. What impact did they have on the war? Nobody cares what a group of less than 1000 people did in the war other than crimes against the civillians.

I had the chance to visit chernobyl back in like 2012 but I didn't go, that's one of my biggest regrets, now I imagine the entire place is covered in mines

>>212991063
pro-Soviet ≠ anti-German
>>212991113
No

>>212991764
Or rather anti-soviet ≠ pro-german. People think military aggression is bad.

>>212991764
>pro-Soviet ≠ anti-German
Bruh?

>>212991796
>Or rather anti-soviet ≠ pro-german
Interesting if your people know nuance like this because this country is more influenced by highland mentality so people cling more to extreme opinions.

>>212989982
Commie babble won't bring it back. I am more concerned with brownification which is a more insidious threat and hurts the workers more because all the jeets, nafris, BBC and gooks just tank the wages.

>>212989982
EU is a strange place. On one hand you have troika and capitalist liberal reformers everywhere, on the other hand, Britain who left the EU has liberalized so much that it is incomprehensible even for EU standards. So the question is, if we leave will it be better or worse?

>>212987609
Fucking retard go back to /pol/ you mongrel

>>212991947
EU is great just need to purge the parliament and commission of some soy that is all. Anyone who leaves will just be announcing that they are ready to become US, Chinas or Russia's little bitch.

>>212991833
>Attacking neighbours is bad. Germany and USSR had been invading countries, and although Poland wasn't perfect, it was still bad
It works like something like this

>>212991881
>with brownification which is a more insidious threat and hurts the workers more because all the jeets, nafris, BBC and gooks just tank the wages.


Workers go to places where the rate of surplus value (how much the capitalist is extracting from the worker) is lower. This is the objective reason for immigration. You won't fix mass immigration with fences and walls, this just serve as propaganda for politicians. In the end, politicians work for the capitalist establishment and will do whats best for capital as a collective.

Anyhow, contrary to what Nazbols claim, Marx & Engels would be in favour of mass immigration today because it accelerates the contradictions within the system (i.e. the nation-state system enters in contradiction with the global productive forces)

Protectionist policies only slow down the inevitable & inexorable fall of the nation state.

Ussr created urukhaine, as urukhainians are obviously a self hating self destructive nation, they hate their creators the most

>>212992612
>Marx & Engels would be in favour of mass immigration today
Yeah because capitalism and communism are systems of jewish exploitation and White genocide.

>>212992612
>Marx & Engels would be in favour of mass immigration today
Wrong. Ask me how I know

>>212992202
Is that doable? The average European is heavily demoralized by american slopnik media
To the point where the average European probably believes that we are less homogenous than America

>>212993947
Well us eastoids not so much so maybe as our position grows stronger the westoids will finally remove their heads from their asses.

>>212993894
How do you know?
Marx was a jew and communism is simply secular Christianity which recognises no nobility race.

>>212991947
>>212992202
The EU is an inhuman, anti-white system of capitalists. It is quite literally intended to mix the White race out of existence.

What we need is a Greater Aryan Confederation operating under NatSoc principles.

>>212986281 (OP)
I personally see them as the chuds from the Balkans who supported Nazism over communism. Valiant, but controversial, but it's their struggle not mine so my opinion is irrelevant.

>>212994848
Both are banned

>>212994606
I know because mass immigration was already a thing in Marx's time, mainly Chinese.
And of course, Stallman is a jew and that doesn't mean free software is le bad
And Marx hated them

>>212994636
How old are you? Nobody except Indians and 13 yo uses Aryan

>>212995440
Aryan was a perfectly normal term before 1945. It's what our Nordic ancestors called themselves.

>>212986281 (OP)
>Do they see us as the good guys in ww2
Banderists probably do, the rest of Ukrainians probably not.

>>212992240
Incidentially poland did the same russians do in ukraine.
They flooded eastern Germany with ethnic poles then claimed the land is theirs.

>>212997783
>They flooded eastern Germany with ethnic poles then claimed the land is theirs.
Nah, Germany just ceded that land to Poland (and it is confirmed in treaties), while Ukraine did not give Russia anything.

>>212995390
No serious marxist opposes mass migration.
Its seen as a way to accelerate a global communist revolution by eroding the structure of nation and creating only commonality in a transnational class of workers

>>212997849
It "ceded." It after a set of unfair treaties they were punsihed with by a colonial empire after a war.
It is as legitimate as if ukrainians lost the chunk of land then americans installed some puppet government for them to give it away, then claimed they are agressors for recovering it.

>>212988077
Lol 99% of slavs were filth covered serfs before the soviet union, it's the only real achievement of the slavic race

>>212998015
they confirmed this loss already as a free, united country