Thread 212996557

Why do atheists believe that after death there is nothing?
Considering we all came from that literal same nothing, would it not be more logically reasonable to assume it would happen again?

>>212996557 (OP)
Who is to say it's even happening now?

>someone constructs a house
>Swede looks on until it's, done then goes
>"durrrrrrr, there must be an afterlife for this structure, durrrr hurrr, otherwise where did it come from??? Plato wuz right."

believing in afterlife is peak narcissism.

>we're so special and unique and superior we just HAVE to keep on existing in some form

you're just an animal. there's no afterlife for you any more than for a cat or a cow.
I wish there was one. the prospect of oblivion scares me.

>>212996557 (OP)
kys retard

>>212996557 (OP)
Those two statements don't contradict each other.

>>212996767
I mean eventually your cells would compromise some other type of animal, or even another human, but it wouldn’t be you tho? right.

>>212996557 (OP)
>Why do atheists
So are you Muslim or one of those larping "Christian" snowflakes?
Either way, talk about choosing the wrong country to be religious in..

>>212996873
cells wont, they deteriorate and die and breaks down into other elements.
theoreticly, its fully possible that your body contains atoms and molecules that once was part of hitlers body, but that doesnt make you hitler.

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>>212996767
Read pic related

Are you a Christian? It’s a false doctrine that there is an afterlife, which is a pagan idea. When you die you actually do die, it’s the same nothingness as before you were born. The great miracle is that you are brought back to life again. Not some magical abstract afterlife, but literally into physical being again, an eternal
one this time.

Probably feels like waking up from a long deep sleep.

>>212996983
There's no way China isn't the least religious country in the world

the void while we're sleeping is what happens when we die but forever

>>212997226
Why would China be the most irreligious country in the world?

>>212997185
>It’s a false doctrine that there is an afterlife
Completely wrong.

>>212996557 (OP)
Sure are a whole lotta seething and mental gymnastics in this thread

>>212996767
>noooooooooo!
>Sitting inside and playing video games is good because nothing is gonna happen after death anyway! Life is meaningless and we are just atoms!

>>212997249
Most polls say so (Google it) and their ruling party is officially atheist. They straight up demolish churches and mosques and replace them with bars that serve pork.

>>212996767
>believing in afterlife is peak narcissism
Holy fucking shit

>>212997414
>They straight up demolish churches and mosques
what does that have to do with chinese folk religion?

>>212997383
putting words in my mouth won't give you an afterlife. besides you can live a meaningful life without religion.

>>212997474
Yeah guess that was an unnecessary conjecture but either way, 61% of Chinese people consider themselves to be atheist

>>212997076
sorry, esl moment. I meant atoms

>>212996767
based

>>212997531
>besides you can live a meaningful life without religion.
Please explain how

>>212997794
just live a meaningfull life?

>>212997794
if I can figure it out so can you. you're not dumb are you?

>>212997318
This doesn’t contradict what I said.

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>>212997919
Notice how it said at the end of the Universe. Not when you die. When you die you return to dust.

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>>212997820
Wasn't there like a Swedish actor who became religious after playing a part in a movie?

Nvm just looked it up, it was a Dane

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>>212997851
>no answer at all
I see. If there is no afterlife, then either nihilism or cope are the only possible options. You can't even say ONE single meaningful thing about life if there is no afterlife. I dare you.

>>212999730
>then either nihilism or cope are the only possible options
says who? where is that written?

you just do whatever you helps you find meaning, like raising a family, enjoying the company of friends, focusing on work or personal growth. learning a skill; learning a language; practicing guitar; chasing after a girl romantically; exploring the world and nature. I don't understand why you need god(s) for this.

>>212999933
A belief in god is required to pursue the arts like a guitar because you need to sell your soul to satan to git gud

>>212997383
Why does there being an afterlife give this life meaning? And if anything, sitting inside playing video games is more obviously a waste of time if there's no afterlife, because you only have like 85 years before you die forever. With an afterlife, you have all of eternity after you die.
>>212997794
It depends on the things you value most. If you value your family the most, then you'd want to live your life raising children and living near your parents and siblings and friends.
Maybe you care most about meeting new people and connecting with them on a non-superficial level. The most logical thing that follows from that would be ti learn languages and travel the world. Most don't do that because it's hard.
A vegan cares a lot about not killing animals needlessly, so they don't eat meat or dairy and don't buy wool or leather.
Basically it's just living according to your values and trying to maximize the time you have with things you like being around or doing.

>>212999933
>like raising a family
You will ultimately die and your family will too, so it's in vain. If you have a family you will end up in the same position as a virgin. Then why seek a family?
>enjoying the company of friends
Pleasure is vain. It will also go away at the moment of death. Someone who lives a life full of pleasure ends up in the same position as someone who lived tortured. Then why seek pleasure?
>focusing on work or personal growth.
Again, it all goes down the toilet when you die.
>learning a skill; learning a language; practicing guitar
Same as the above. Even if you have an impact in the world, the world will die some day and the human being will too.
>chasing after a girl romantically
You will die and she will too.

>I don't understand why you need god(s) for this.
I was asking specifically for afterlife. If it's over at the moment of death, then there is no meaning or reason to do anything.

>>212996557 (OP)
it's not an unreasonable position. if we accept the assumption that concious experience is merely an electrochemical reaction, and a person's concious experience begins when their brain develops sufficiently to maintain that reaction, then when a person dies and their body is no longer able to maintain it it follows that concioussness would end.

>>213000413
>if things end, then they have no meaning
this is retarded. a book has an ending, do books have no meaning?

>>212996557 (OP)
I was nothing before being born, how could I be something after dying?

>>212997238
Except the brain works 24/7, Even if you don't remember your dreams. It's still dreaming, breathing, pumping blood, digesting food, etc. Death can't be like when we fall asleep.

>>213000670
That's a stupid comparison. You can remember a book after reading it. If all your memories of the books were deleted after reading it, then reading it would be meaningless.
Maybe you SHOULD try reading a book sometimes, because all I'm saying is basic level philosophy. If you end up with the same results by doing a thing than by not doing it, why do it in the first place?

>>213000755
I believe in reincarnation, cuz the mindstream never stops. The flow of thoughts proves theres never a 'void' in any sense, and just like a thought comes after another thought, forever, so does a life come after another life. The real question would be, what will happen once ALL life ends on Earth?

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>>213000755
I want to clarify that there are three (or maybe more) different argentines in the thread.

>>213001132
Shut nigga who cares?

>>212996557 (OP)
Afterlife is pure cope invented by slave morality preachers to give false hope to the slaves they are preaching to.

I believe in reincarnation but only cause of reading Ian Stevenson and Jim Tucker’s findings. NDE’s are too unreliable

so my matter is different say a computer performs 2+2 but in nature you might see some random process that looks nothing like two plus two but if you interpret it differently that process might look like 2+2 to you in boltzmann theory they say there’s non zero chance particles rearrange into a human brain and create consciousness but why limit to human brain why not a computer simulating the brain or if we interpret random processes differently we might see consciousness from chaos
so we might be someone’s observer and if that observer interprets physical processes and creates meaning from randomness then that observer is like a god and if consciousness depends on that interpretation then afterlife might exist as the mind pattern keeps being observed or in a simulated state after the body dies
this comes from thinking of reality and consciousness as observer dependent where god is the ultimate observer giving meaning and afterlife is the continued observation or simulation beyond death

>>213001273
>Afterlife is pure cope invented by slave morality preachers to give false hope to the slaves they are preaching to.
Interesting theory but it falls apart at the tiniest bit of scrutiny when you see that every single hunter-gatherer group studied believes in an afterlife. Organized religion just evolved from that

>>212996557 (OP)
>before life, there's nothing
>so after life, its more reasonable to believe there's something instead of nothing again!
??

>>213000839
>If you end up with the same results by doing a thing than by not doing it, why do it in the first place?
Because the journey is always more enjoyable than the end goal.
That's why humans have dreams and when we reach our goal, we make new ones almost instantly.
The fact that (for us irreligious people anyway) life ends when we die, makes the time we have here on earth so much more precious.
We do our best to enjoy our brief moment in the sun before we return to nothing again.

>>213001328
>every single hunter-gatherer group studied believes in an afterlife
Christian afterlife is a completely different concept from animist reincarnation.

BTW your assertion that every people had an afterlife is false. Even Judaism doesn't have an afterlife.

>>213001399
>enjoyable
You are talking of feelings when I'm talking of reason. Do you understand that this is not related at all? If you don't, then don't even reply.

>>213001472
Humans function purely on feelings.
A few autists who have no feelings do not change that anon.
That's why religion exist in the first place. Belief. Which is a feeling.

>>213001466
>BTW your assertion that every people had an afterlife is false. Even Judaism doesn't have an afterlife.
I said hunter-gatherers my nigger, agriculturalists, pastoralists, and fishing societies are whole different can of worms

>>213000413
so you're the nihilist, not me.

>>213001536
Yea, that's the cope I was talking about in my first comment. We animals function because of our emotions, yet we also have reason, and if you logically try to find a reason to live despite the fact that everyone and everything are going to die, you will fail miserably.
The logic here is very simple: no matter what you do, you will end up with the same results as anybody else, so why do something in the first place?

>>213001623
As I said in my first comment, IF (circumstantial) there is no afterlife then nihilism or cope are the only possible options. I believe in an afterlife, thus I don't believe in nihilism nor cope. Thesis and anti-thesis are both required to be studied to understand a topic.

>>213001744
>if you logically try to find a reason to live despite the fact that everyone and everything are going to die, you will fail miserably
Except that being alive is enough of a reason for 99.9% of people. That IS the reason.
We enjoy being alive and we do not want to die.
Therefor the life we have is the most important thing we have and what we strive to make the most of.

Also, while I still do believe in reincarnation, there are instances where I have to 2nd guess myself. Like hammerhead worms, if you split them apart it becomes 2 hammerhead worms. Is it still one soul, or was a new one put into the other half?

>>213001744
>IF (circumstantial) there is no afterlife then nihilism or cope are the only possible options.

says you. it suits me just fine.

>>213000839
appeal to authority
and, you dont end up with the same results. you do things in life other than accrue memories, dumbass.
really, i dont think you have a real definition for the word "meaning" in this context

>>213001812
Last reply since I am losing my time with this fast and furious tier philosophy.
Yes, I also enjoy my life, yet the logic and reason behind nihilism are undeniable if there is no afterlife. Even if you feel "joy" that's just a feeling and nothing more. It's inside your head and ultimatelly it will be deleted, along with suffering. At the end, it will not matter how much have you enjoyed or suffered.
Yes, I'm sure 99.9% of people live, and they live for hedonism, that's one the most prevalent copes in modernity.
99.9% of people do not think philosophically.

>>213001927
What authority did I appeal to? Books? That was not an argument my dude.
>you dont end up with the same results. you do things in life other than accrue memories, dumbass.
Please answer this question: Do you have your memories after being dead IF there is no afterlife? Does your brain, which is the organ that saves your memories, keep functioning after dead?

>>213001982
So you're just mad people enjoy life and find meaning in it despite not believing in an afterlife? Ok.

>>213002113
No, I'm mad with people attempting to discuss philosophy when they have not even gone through basic tier philosophy and gives illogical arguments. There IS philosophy that discuss life as worth even without an afterlife like Nietzche, the stoics, or the hedonists, yet you are not arguing like them, you are arguing like Toretto.

>>213002239
I am a common man. I ague like the common man.
Again, like I said. A few autists do not make the masses. Those books do not matter to 99.9% of the world, people live by feeling and being alive feels good. Therefor we enjoy life even if it ends in nothing.

open individualism makes some sense to me. We have some kind of internal conscious experience, so where does that “live” in the universe? In general relativity, time and space are one entity. The arrow of time is just part of our perception. So perhaps there is some “frame” of consciousness that sees through one set of eyes at a time, but if one could step back from spacetime it would all be one unified consciousness.

I do believe in some kind of God, though. I don’t know how that fits in.

>>213002336
>Those books do not matter to 99.9% of the world
They do, though. You are following Epicurus philosophy, even if you don't know it. This philosophy came to you not by chance or by coincidence, you are one of the possible results of a materialist and individualist society that was formed thanks to political philosophy.
Most people nowadays are either nihilistic or hedonistic.

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>>212997150
Honestly, I'm an agnostic so my thoughts are that there is no way of knowing if there is or isn't an afterlife. Perhaps it does exist. Perhaps it doesn't. Perhaps you just reincarnte as someone or something else. There is no scientific proof for an afterlife, but there is none against it either.

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>>213002527
Are you arguing that it's impossible to live a fulfilling life without religion, or a moral life without religion? Cuz I think that the former is untrue, but the latter has some credence.

>>213002613
I'm not arguing about enjoying or not enjoying life.
I'm arguing that if the results of two actions is exactly the same, it does not matter if you choose one or the other.
In this case, IF there is no afterlife then every single action that you take will end in ultimate nothingness. It does not matter if you accrue memories because your memories will be deleted with your brain, it does not matter if you help others or form a family because they will die and join the ultimate nothingness too.
I don't think I could discuss reincarnation though, I should think more about it.

>>213002712
But it works the other way round as well. You're gonna disappear into nothingness anyways, so why not enjoy life to its fullest?