Thread 213019361

Why aren't any other countries capable of developing as quickly as china? what's so special about china that allows them to do this

is it just that they have a massive amount of natural resources?

or that they have a massive, well behaved, technically inclined population?

what is it?

>>213019361 (OP)
dictatorship + concentrating industries that produce stuff other countries want

>>213019385
why do countries need to make stuff that other countries want in order to develop themselves?

Brazil makes basically everything it needs domestically. It also has massive amounts of steel and cement material. So why can't it rapidly develop like china has?

>>213019361 (OP)
Jews made it a powerhouse. Not joking.
https://newrepublic.com/article/118477/shanghai-one-greatest-jewish-cities-ever-constructed

wumao thread

>Asks about why China is so great
>Pic is Shanghai

They had a massive reserve of peasants. This is prerequiste for super industrialization. (Their numbers are diminishing though, like in any industrialized nation, soon China will have to import immigrants too)

Peasants are used to intensive physical work and long working hours.

However what differentiates China from India (another country with a massive peasant population) is that China had a centrally-planned economy

Meaning their state apparatus could allocate capital more rationally compared to the anarchy of capitalist economy of India, where individual capitalists are in a hell-bent competition for surplus values, without any form of coordination, thus Indian's development is more unevenly

>>213019361 (OP)
Large population
Large state enterprises
Doesnt give a shit about intelectual property so they will take a technology either steal it, buy or develop it themselves and give it away to private and state enterprises so it only has to be developed once, unlike in other societies with private businesses that can have a monopoly on a technology and other businesses need to develop it from scratch so thats a waste of resources to discover or invent something that has already been invented, so many dont even bother (One of the most crucial things I believe)
Doesnt let safety or quality standards get in the way of progress, they just move forward.

>>213019594
>>213019675
can mexico do the same?

>>213019361 (OP)
>Why aren't any other countries capable of developing as quickly as china? what's so special about china that allows them to do this
nigga they're authoritarian, they don't have a choice. command economy op

>>213019688
why are you saying this like its a bad thing?

>>213019361 (OP)
The government had total control over China. Here in the Philippines even basic construction materials and planning are hoarded by private family backed companies. Nobody can build because everything is privatized.

>>213019696
economy is inherently a bad thing yes

>>213019696
what about my post implies that it's a bad thing?

>>213019361 (OP)
All chinks are like that, speed fast 50 years industrialisation then go through population crisis
They just follow japan, korea, singapore, but on super big scale

>>213019685
No

>>213019685
Im not the marxist retard.
Yes, I believe mexico can do some of this.
We have a large population and have a history and of state enterprises.
The problem is the "doesnt give a shit about intelectual property" part, we cant get away with that, we would be sued by transnationals western headquarters corporations wanting to protect their intelectual property and these corporations will put pressure on theor goverments to sanction and interven some way in Mexico, specially american and the american goverment will be too happy to oblidge. China can get away with because they are already big and powerful and the past the US looked the other way and even helped them because they wanted to have them on their side against the soviet union and wanted to the chinese goverments cooperation in exploiting cheap chinese labor which they did. Maybe we could do a much minor version of this just buying technology transfers and developing our own.
I domt want my country to have chinese safety standarfs though, is not worth it.

>>213019807
>The problem is the "doesnt give a shit about intelectual property" part, we cant get away with that
why do you think intellectual property matters when it comes to development?

>>213019838
Technology and knowledge matters for development, intellectual property is a damn that stops the free flow of technology and knowledge. If I want yo use a technology like some Tesla batteries my own govertment will use force agaisnt me because that abstract doesnt "belong" to me, and if my goverment wanted to just take that technology themselves and make it themselves, the current international framework is one in which it would punish my govertment for doing that.

>>213019907
*dam

The chinese economic "miracle" was nothing but a real estate scheme, now the bubble has popped. It has left china with nothing but concrete boxes tainting the landscape forever. Making most of china's already scarce land resource useless. Since most of the farmlands are already used for real estate development, food scarcity will become a major problem for china down the road.

>>213019838
btw, mexico has some Tesla factories being set up in Nuevo Leon, there will be no technology transfer, only wageslaves assembling shit they dont understand. While Brazil is setting up BYD factories that will do technology transfers so they can eventually make their own.
I want to clarify China does not have a free flow of technology and information but they do take it and assign it as they see convenient so enterprises inside China dont waste resources and can just focus on building, and they are now past the point they dont need to buy or steal technology that much now they mostly develop their own.

>>213019594
>However what differentiates China from India (another country with a massive peasant population) is that China had a centrally-planned economy
didn't read anything about postcolonial indian history award

>>213020242
india had a centrally planned economy?

>>213020325
india had fkin five year plans and modelled their economy after the soviets.

>>213019838
One last thing, things like FreeOpenSourceSoftware, Open-Source Hardware / Open-design, free ebooks, are more in line with a free flow of Technology and Information.
China is willing to do technology transfer to other countries, but if you get chinese products, they are cheap and very convenient, they get stuff done but they are usually very closed products.
You can get a Pixel phone from Google and change the Operating System if you want, they are among the easiest phones to do that. But to do that with a Xiaomi phone is almost impossible, Xiaomi could make it easier for you and simply decides not to.
A google phone simply gives you more freedom and allows you to poke at it to understand it more than a Xiaomi phone.
You can get a cheap tool straight from a factory in China and will work ok but it will have literally no documentation not even a manual.

>>213020408
>FreeOpenSourceSoftware, Open-Source Hardware / Open-design, free ebooks, are more in line with a free flow of Technology and Information.
kek of course a mexican is obsessed with open sores

daily reminder that blender started as commercial software and wouldn't be nearly as successful today had it started that way.

>>213019594
>This centrally planned country which adopted capitalism and became very rich from very poor is better than this very poor socialist country, because very poor country is secretly capitalist

leddit brain

>>213019361 (OP)
chinks are high IQ which pretty much disqualifies all of Africa, South/SouthEast Asia and South America from replicating this.

outside of that, japs and gooks have also had similar economic miracles. as did taiwan and hong kong for that matter. they formed the famous four asian tigers of high growth economies in the past

so really, asians are good at succeeding and building prosperous nations that eventually self-cannibalize due to their insane work cultures. same thing that gets them to the top destroys their country

>>213019385
also this. benevolent dictatorships are the single best way for a country to succeed. but a bad dictator is the worst thing for a country possible. democracy tends to just have lower highs but higher lows. if you give a genius with good intentions the reins, there's no limit to what kind of prosperity he can enact. while if you give the average redditor the reins of a country, you'll be in economic depression and full scale "mostly peaceful" riots within 3 months

>>213020325
yeah but then they microsoft tech support scammed each other so their country stayed in perpetual mediocrity