Thread 213034747

it blew my mind when I found out just how europeans actually view "nature".

>they practically have no nature on their entire continent. even places like the swiss alps, while pretty to look at, are developed to hell and back
>there is only on average about 5-10,000 acres of old growth forest PER COUNTRY. we have old growth groves larger than entire european countries in north america.
>i met a european who was crying about how "inaccessible" american nature was. then i realized that, in europe, they literally have trains that will take you to the top of their mountains where you will find hotels and le free healthcare facilities
>even their "nature" isnt even public lands. you have to pay some farmer to access the trail. we have wilderness areas in the western US in places like Montana, Alaska, Nevada, etc larger than your entire country, where the only development is some trails and primitive campsites.
>europeans view nature as something more akin to disneyworld, aka is must be accessible and developed for tourism. americans view it as something to be left untouched, where the majority of humans should be kept away from

it really did blow my mind when I found out how "un natured" europeans are. they genuinely view the tree farm as a "vast wilderness". the funny thing is, europeans genuinely dont see a difference between these two pictures in the op. for a laugh just imagine how theyre sitting here, looking at these images and scratching their head in confusion.

>>213034747 (OP)
>i met a european who was crying about how "inaccessible" american nature was
kek what? are they retarded? in almost every American city, all you have to do is just drive for 1 hour in any direction and you’ll be in the middle of nature

>>213034747 (OP)
those are the "people" trying to lecture us on our nature

>>213034747 (OP)
this doesnt translate to all of europe but i laugh at american nature
here
>we live in it
>private, state owned or national park, its all the same (latter filled with tourists)
>right to roam
vs usa
>have to drive far to see it
>only in national parks full of tourists and rangers
>no right to roam

>>213034747 (OP)
Most of american landscape is inhospitable thoughbeit. Most of the forests are very cliffy and rocky terrain that are very difficult to navigate off trail. The east coast is very swampy and viney and thick, hard to go off trail even when the terrain is flat. There's also giant sprawling deserts, shrublands, plains that are mostly farms now, etc. Only a few places you can really go off trail camping.

Northern europe you can literally travel from one city to another off-trail cross-coutry through the wilderness. I've done it. This isnt even just because of human interference, the terrain is just naturally less harsh and more hospitable, even a lot of very wild remote places in far northern europe and russia are like this.

>>213034747 (OP)
>they practically have no nature on their entire continent. even places like the swiss alps, while pretty to look at, are developed to hell and back
The Białowieża Forest still exists but yea it’s mostly all destroyed. Funny how fascism and feudalism did a better job at preserving nature than the supposedly superior system of liberal democracy.
>europeans view nature as something more akin to disneyworld, aka is must be accessible and developed for tourism. americans view it as something to be left untouched, where the majority of humans should be kept away from
That’s most Americans as well. Urbanfags will go to the natural parks, take their pretty instagram photos, and then leave with a bunch of litter left over

>>213034870
exactly, in america you drive for an hour and then you can find yourself in some protected wilderness more large than Netherlands. Europeans cry about this because they dont know how to drive, and they feel that the protected land should have houses and roads in it to access deeper into the nature
>>213035099
>we live in it
so its not nature
>right to roam
yes, we have more protected land than you have land in your country
>only in national parks
???
>no right to roam
again, yes you cant walk onto someone elses land but anywhere from 30-90% of the land in the western US states is public federal land with minimal development, vs europe where your only nature is some tree farm

>>213034747 (OP)
Yeah its grim af, there litterally no nature left. Everywhere in western and central europe has been deforested to hell.
95% of "forests" in this shithole country have been harvested in the last 50 years.
People think theyre bear grills when they can walk 10 minutes in a patch of replanted trees stuck inbetween sope interurban farmlands.
I wish i was american

>>213035476
Just go to finland or northern sweden or something

>>213035326
about your second point, yeah its true but those parks are specifically quarantine containment sites for urbanite faggots. places like old faithful and yosemite valley and arches make up like .01% of our protected land and thats where 99% of the rabble flock to. we still have protected land like montana and alaska etc where its just millions of acres of wilderness with no roads or people

>>213034747 (OP)
>we
Colombia drifted to North America?

>>213035917
i live in california
this also applies to south america though. our nature down here is superior to yours, so much that you guys try to lecture us on the amazon rainforest because you cut all your forests down centuries ago

>>213035476
>95% of "forests" in this shithole country have been harvested in the last 50 years.
?
You meant 500 or 5000 right?
The last 50 years on the contrary have seen continuous forest regrowth.

>>213035452
>so it's not nature
/thread, new worlders can't even comprehend living in harmony with your environment which is why they need to drive out into bumfuck nowhere just to experience it.

>>213035546
Not allowed to. Only zoomalis and jeets are allowed to move there.
Also anywhere in america mogs these places.
Europe is shit and ugly, get me to america.
>>213036107
Nope 50. Ill find the article.
Europe has no actual forests or nature left singe the industrial revolution

>>213034747 (OP)
Frontier men with native nature worship. Europeans literally hate nature and even drive its own nature to extinction
Never knew Greece had lions.
>>213034918
Your father is of those people

>>213036024
>bug infested hot humid hellhole

>>213036113
it quite literally ceases to become nature the second you start building houses and shit in it. you fucks cant even fathom the idea of pristine wilderness, where there is no development, and we are simply guests and stewards of the land. it is literally a foreign concept to europeans who feel the need to develop and beautify their "nature"

I live in a desert

>>213036356
VGH EL CHAPARRAL

>>213036107
INRAE
https://www.inrae.fr
3% of French forests have not been harvested for at least 50 years
France has no nature
>>213034918
Exactly. Hypocrites kkkkkkkkk

>>213036162
Do you have any idea what I would give to be in finland or northern sweden right now

Some of the nicest greenest forests on the planet an absurdly cheap and fast trip away from you and youre complaining on 4chan

>>213036356
Spain reminds me of New Mexico.
I hope to visit the interior of your country some day.
The coast is the only part that actively hates tourists, right?

>>213035452
humams can live in nature
protected land is bullshit, it only protect said land from humans.
natinal parks, lol you got these reversed in usa. tripple the rangers, you wont see anyone in norway. but you dont need to visit one in the first place

>>213036107
france has a little over 26,000 acres of old growth forest, mostly spread out in small patches
for context, tahoe national forest in california, which is something like our 45th largest in the country, is about 34,000 acres of old growth
europe can literally not compete.

>>213036221
See, it's like speaking to a dementia patient, they know not what they do.

>>213036474
I was borm in lake tahoe, best part of the country, wish I never left

>>213036465
>>213036478

>>213036460
>waaaaah i wish i lived in a giant tree farm instead of my litteral natural paradise wonderland

>>213036413
>https://www.inrae.fr
Can you post the exact page/article please ?

>>213034870
>>213036356
>>213036460
i will never experience this because every fucking inch here is filled with people EVERYWHERE I GO, there's literally not a single place ( yes you heard that right ) i can be alone for myself in nature without getting fucked by going too deep or the soy cops stopping us
this is how i know i was born in hell, I am so fucking jealous of your nature, this would cure my mental issues but i am left to suffer as a poorfag

>>213036686
you coldnt get further from the truth.

>>213036107
found gif related

>>213036356
That's just Texas.

>>213036790
just get in your car and drive.

>>213036790
You seem like a good Indian. I’d invite you to live off grid with

>>213036739
https://www.inrae.fr/en/news/3-french-forests-have-not-been-harvested-least-50-years

>>213036463
Spain is weird because you have an arid rugged as fuck mediterranean country with medieval romanesque and gothic aesthetic. People imagine the med with baroque/renaissance, islamic, grecoroman, byzantine stuff. But in Spain you find a overall medieval stuff that people associate with England, France, Germany or Ireland.

>>213036702
I was a homelss traveling backpacking worker for years in the us. Only a few regions are really nice (montana, northern california/sierras, new england, parts of oregon, alaska, and idaho.) The vast majority of the rest are either swamps/bogs/bush/canebrake/arid deserts/shrubland/countless miles of industrial farms or empty plains. Most of the country is ugly and barren. Canada's better if you want woods

>>213037026
thx
The article does not mean that the remaining 97% were razed, only that these 3% of areas have not experienced logging for the last 50 years.
Also
>More surprisingly, our method showed that 43% of French forests have not been harvested for at least 26 years (and up to 50 years)
In fact that studies demonstrate that there's a much better managing leading to the reappearance of what could be considered primal forests, those 3%.

ireland is the funniest example. people love the countryside but in reality we just burned and cut all the trees down to smoke them out, make ships and barrels, and clear land for plantations kek

>yurp is much more dense and developed
more news at 11
>they genuinely view the tree farm as a "vast wilderness"
they do not

anon is cheating by using "average forest" picture from west coast and talks about west coast trails and parks, which has only been populated only two centuries ago, while US east coast looks much more like yurp he complains about
>>213035452
>in america you drive for an hour and then you can find yourself in some protected wilderness more large than Netherlands
no, homo

>>213034918
why are thirdies so fucking stupid
we're just warning you niggas so you don't end up like us
preserve your nature instead of fucking up everything for short term profit

>North American superiority
You are from South America

Last I checked chuds are trying to auction off all our wild public land to the highest bidder. Get ready for a bunch of ugly sprawl, maybe a few private campgrounds here and there

>>213037259
Done the same but in alaska/canada.
I would have killed to stay.
europe is an overpopulated grim shithole. Every us state has nature. Europe does not

>>213034747 (OP)
It's a pretty well-known fact that we don't have much wilderness left in Europe.
Your wilderness is the only appealing I find in North America actually.

>>213034870
>all you have to do is just drive for 1 hour
Driving for an hour for the average European is a major thing that they do maybe a few times a year at most.
I myself will not accept a job that's over 30 minutes away from where I live. It's simply not worth it.

>>213037259
> swamps/bogs/bush/canebrake/arid deserts/shrubland
only low iq people dont appreciate this nature. only low IQ europeans need every inch of the land covered in tree farms for them to see it as "nature"
it takes an actual nature enjoyer to go explore the desert or the swamp or the great plains.

>>213037890
TRVKE
do not goy out
protect what makes your land unique

>>213034747 (OP)
G*rmany is not Europe. Slovenija is much more natural than Am*rica

>>213036814
idk man, heres a random location in the alaskan panhandle (a protected land the size of england). what do you have in norway other than tree farms?ansvh

>>213038497
>random location in a non mainland state
Kek at least post the mainland otherwise we can post corsica or guyana

>>213036790
>uttarakhand and himachal/arunachal pradesh don't exist. Give me visa now saar

The mackenzie mountains in the NorthWest territories are larger then germany. A single mountain range (much of it unexplored) the size of the most important country in europe. And thats just one mountain range in the middle of nowhere most people have never even heard of.

>>213038633
ok, this section of the US consisting of idaho, western montana and western wyoming has 3 national parks and 8 national forests and dozens of wilderness areas
some highlights include Yellowstone national park of 2.5 million acres, not including the greater yellowstone ecossytem surrounding the park, the largest fully intact temperate forest/mountain ecoysstem in the northern hemisphere
the bob marshall wilderness and the frank church river of no return wildernesses, respectively in montana and idaho, combined area larger than Switzerland. thats just the wilderness area, meaning a designated contiguous portion of national park/forest/BLM land where there is 0 development other than trails and maybe historic landmarks, per the wilderness act of 1964

>>213039538
I was there. All the land on the wyoming side has been completely bought up by bilionaires. Nice area otherwise. Most of the people i know from alaska moved out either there, in the cascades or the ozarks.

>>213034747 (OP)
Ive never been to continental europe but here our forests look nothing like right, they look like the left image

>>213034747 (OP)
TRVKE

Only scandinavia can maybe claim this doesnt apply to them

>>213041747
pls visit norway and enjoy nature

It’s amazing how one obsessed sweden hating retard have influenced this board that we only have tree plantations, we don’t

>>213041845
I will.

Dont forget europeans also kill any animal larger then a squirrel because they are dangerous.

>>213035137
literally nothing you said is true or accurate. you are probably some faggot european backpacker posting from a hostel bed in nyc right.

>>213036790
Grim

>>213034870
>drive for an hour to see nature
The Absolute State Of USA.

>>213041925
and I dont just mean kill them for meat. The top EU politician had her horse killed by a wolf so she then called for the extinction of them

>>213041925
We literally have way more moose per sqm than anywhere else in the world, and that’s while murdering almost a thied of their population every year. You have 800k population in canada we have between 300-400k summer population in a country that is like what a tenth of yours in size?

>>213042053
Scandinavia has ~500 wolves lol

>>213042085
Yeah we killed them all, because these are old nations where wolves were an actual threat, but keep moving the goalposts you chink

>>213042085
shouldnt have killed our sheep, bruv

>>213042148
And you evil bastards want to kill more

>>213042148
wolves would have been a threat here too but we didnt drive them to extinction

>>213042193
Just highlights that european "green" politician think of nature as a tourist attraction where everything needs to be safe and regulated

>>213042193
Inbred russian shitwolves deserve TWD, it’s not like NA that they occupy wilderness, our wilderness is too barren tundra like for them so they move south and stay close to villages and raid farms

>>213042307
Im guessing that's because 90% of you live near the border to USA and there's vast wilderness where nobody lives so there's no need or even anyone around to cull them

>>213034747 (OP)
Never in my life I've seen a forest like the one on the right, and I've seen countless forests like the one on the left. Pure nonsense.

>>213036790
so, if you ever move to a country with nice nature, dont pollute it, dont litter and never shit out of a toilet, unlike most indian immigrants do. They complain about not having a nice place to live but when they move to a decent place, they bring pollution and destruction with them

>>213042307
Your population literally hug the border to the US, everyone trying their hardest to escape ”the wilderness”

>>213034747 (OP)
>columbia
>we...in north america
whoa so this is the power of latinx education

>>213035326
>yea it’s mostly all destroyed.
The fuck are you on about, it's doing fine. We pretty much revived bisons there and now spread them throughout Europe.

>>213037554
your leaders want us to preserve our nature so your companies come here to extract the resources for themselves. Might as well use those resources to develop here instead

>>213042416
its better to escape the wilderness and leave it alone then to try and destroy it

>>213034747 (OP)
I've never seen a forest that looks like the one on the right

>>213042432
poland and ex-yu are rare exceptions where a lot of nature exists, in rest of europe it's mostly pine plantations and hunting ranges

>>213042459
When the wilderness is right around the corner killing your farm animals instead of 8 hours away in a place you’ll never venture to the rules change

>>213042508
fence or wall up your livestock area

>>213036790
perhaps the first time I feel for a hindu

>>213034747 (OP)
there is a fuckton of forests like on the left picture in europe

>>213034747 (OP)
Reminds me of threads about German tourists dying because they walked off trail in the American west and thought it must be like IN GERMANY where not walking off trail is more of a suggestion than a warning.

>>213036790
Europeans engineering super rice was a huge mistake, you were a populous place but without that you would be in a much more managable 500m or so

>>213036790
to be fair there is places like sikkim but yeah indian dude i know said exactly the same thing

>>213042790
They do this everywhere, there’s helicopters saving germans up north here every year, germans are a ”special” breed

>>213042790
They do that here too. There are signs and warnings to know the route, the weather and to dress for the trip. Yet tourists keep dying or having to be rescued for ignoring said signs every year

>>213034747 (OP)
meanwhile, in reality:

>>213043220
This is propaganda. You cut down one tree and suddenly it's not an 'ancient' forest. Meanwhile forest fires occur regularly if you DON'T practice forest management through logging.

>>213043255
>Meanwhile forest fires occur regularly if you DON'T practice forest management through logging
yes in california because it's a shithole, in most of the world they don't
there's a reason why california's native trees are specially adapted to constant forest fires

>>213037554
recover yours before giving out advice

>>213043315
California fires are due to unique factors like invasive species. Forest fires are still a normal thing elsewhere. I use to work as a sawyer cutting fuel breaks in the wilderness so that when a wild fire occurs in uintah county it doesn’t burn down skinwalker ranch.

>>213042416
thats the fucking point of a wilderness, where humans dont live. you have none of this in europe.
you logged your entire contin ent to wage war and now are logging it again to build government housing for africans. you dont have a true wilderness anywhere in europe.

>>213042508
its not wilderness if its right next to your farm. you have never been in the wilderness before. you dont know what its like to be 100 miles from the nearest road. i can go anywhere in the western US, hop on a trail for a few days and literally not see a single building or fence or anything other than the trail.

>>213043255
you really fell for the logging industry propaganda, didnt you. ouch.
>>213043220
now do europe. wait, you have 0 old growth in europe