Thread 213135360

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>What language(s) are you learning?
>Share language learning experiences!
>Ask questions about your target language!
>Help people who want to learn a new language!
>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!
>Make frens!

Read the wiki:
https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

Useful links:
>Free language‐learning book archive:
https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw
>Books on linguistics and language courses:
https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ
>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:
https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua (embed) (embed)
>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:
https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH
>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec
>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by family
https://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/
>/lang/ inpoot torrents
https://rentry.org/inpoot
>Refold Anki decks
https://rentry.org/refold

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>>213135360 (OP)
New bread, new me

>>213135430
new bread new 20 posts until 404

We should shit on each other more so the thread doesn't die.

nnnnnnnnn

don't learn Russian

wait, I don't know, maybe learn it actually, but only a little

>>213137041
Already did my Russian session for today and there is nothing you can do to stop me

>>213135360 (OP)
The Anki never fucking stops bros I do 200 cards, I go to sleep, I wake up, and there's 200 more cards. It's never ending. Even if I stopped adding new cards I'd have reviews to do and I'll be doing them for the rest of my goddamn life anyways time to do my Anki

>>213137636
>Dont do anki
>No more reviews
Really that easy

>B-but I need my Spaced repetition!!!
Read many books. Those words will appear.

>>213138179
Agreed on heavy reading, and Anki shouldn't be the base, but I still use it for words I know won't come up often.
My lang has a specific word for the thread of a screw, different from thread as in clothing.
I'll throw things like that in and review 20ish cards a day.

Basically review words that score high in unfrequent but useful, and let the rest of the words come through input.

>>213138440
>My lang has a specific word for the thread of a screw, different from thread as in clothing.
hey german has that too, thread as in clothing is "Faden" (not sure if "thread" alone can mean spool in english, but for that we'd always say "Spule" i think, instead of "Faden"), and the threading of a screw is "Gewinde," as in, something that's windy, a winding, kinda cute

what is your aim in memorizing words like that? do you just like having a large, diversified vocabulary or is it practically relevant to you?

Does anyone here study linguistics ? I was under the impression someone that understands the grammar and has enough memory for a vocabulary could learn any language to fluency in a reasonable time frame (1-2 years).
20th century scholars would know several languages, I suppose one has to dedicate their lives to the task.

>>213139076
A tradie needs to know his trade in another language.

Personally I use university textbooks (i.e. Physics, Chemistry, etc) in my TL a lot in my studying - mostly because I feel like it would be beneficial to know as I need to know the stuff in my career.

>>213137232
homosexual German learner

>>213139076
>do you just like having a large, diversified vocabulary or is it practically relevant to you?
Both, I was putting together a bed with my GF last year and was really struggling with some of the vocab, screw, bolt, thread, nut, washer, flathead screwdriver, socket wrench, etc.
There's a big class of vocab that is useful in day to day life, but doesn't come up often in books or movies. Anki's pretty good for that stuff.

>>213139664
>t. will never spend an afternoon putting together furniture with his GF in their new apartment

>>213139916
ah yeah that makes sense. i had this thing when i visited another country and knew the language pretty well but found out i'm retarded when i went grocery shopping there and realized i never bothered to learn food words, because if you usually learn a language at home and watch content relevant to your interests, you don't really care for learning vocabulary like that. turns out, i couldn't ask where the fucking carrots are because i didn't know how to communicate what a carrot is or gesture it out (that'd probably get me in trouble)
where's the gf from?

>>213139916
>putting together furniture with his GF
I have already done this.
>new apartment
I own a house

>Dead thread
:(
>Anons are potentially actually studying for once
:)

Proud of you anons <3 Keep up the good work

It’s almost comical how 90% of conlang people just seem to spend their time complaining about eurocentrism and gender usage.

I don't get conlangs. Seems like a waste of time

>>213140064
She's Brazilian and we live there 90% of the year, I'm just back home visiting family at the moment.
I had a fun freeze up moment at the store when I went to buy some mangos and the cashier asked me what type they were so they could input the price/kg.
I had never considered in the tropics they have different types of mangos, to me they were a single thing like pineapple.
I just shrugged and told him I was a gringo and had no clue, he laughed and put in whatever type was cheapest.

Visiting/Living in a place isn't necessary for learning, but it's a great way to show what you didn't realize you missed.

>>213141127
Same. Toki Pona is just a shittier Tok Pisin. Esperanto is just a romance language for redditors. What is the point lmao.

I just finished reading the Short Stories in French book, should I read Harry Potter now or play Pokemon Soul Silver?

>>213141634
>Pokemon Soul Silver
Seems like a lot of the words will be made up shit, but like I guess the same is true for Harry Potter.
I would go with Pokemon, as its less faggy.

>>213141634
The Martian is a good first real book IMO
The vocab isn't too complex and it's all either conversations or his diary so the tenses are simple.
HP has a lot of narration and "dripping dingy alleyways with creaky mahogany doors" artistic type vocab that's not the most helpful to learn early on.

>>213141774
Anything else you'd recommend?

>>213141872
See >>213141859 - its a really good choice.
You just want things that are fictional but more based in reality or are non-fiction (i.e. some shit about the french revolution might be fun)

>>213141634
Are you that Brazilian who was whining all the time about not being able to progress in French?

>>213141995
>Click baity slop title by person who sells stuff
Yeah... I aint watching all dat

>>213142056
Yeah, but I'm focused now.

>>213142188
Based.

>>213142188
Nice progress. Keep it up.

>>213141634
having read/played both, definitely silver first. HP will be pretty challenging.

>>213140923
I think the fact that they're often monolingual hinders them. Even when they study completely alien grammar, they don't really get it on a fundamental level, so they bolt it onto their conlang superficially.
I think it's why I saw a thread the other day where someone was saying that getting rid of coordinating verb conjunctions like "and" is impossible, but I know that at least Japanese uses the -te and -tari and possible other forms for coordinating verbs, because I'm learning Japanese right now.
>>213141127
Conlang people just find it really interesting to read Wikipedia pages on the grammars of various languages, but don't find it interesting to actually learn languages. They'd probably get bored with the grammar of their target language in a short time frame.
>>213139318
I used to be pretty into linguistics when I was a teenager, and still have good knowledge of it. But learning a language is hard work, so I imagine fewer people do it. There is an overlap between people who enjoy studying linguistics, and people who would enjoy learning a language, and I think it does help you, but it's not a great overlap to begin with.

Any recommendations to memorize vocabulary?
I can watch videos or lookup the translations, but I forget 90% of what I saw just as I finished "studying"
My target language is Korean, if that makes any difference

>>213144315
Are you writing or speaking at all?

I did the anki

guys

>>213144402
I take my notes with Korean and its translation in Spanish
If I was watching a video I repeat the Korean words and sentences, and read what I wrote in my notes
All Korean I write is in hangul, nothing romanized

>>213145626
ja?

>>213145827
Dunno what to suggest then, writing out words is all I need to remember. But my TL uses the latin alphabet, I'm sure that makes it easier

>>213144315
You need repetition. Either re-watch those videos the next day, then 3 days, a week etc. or use Anki and go through a frequency dictionary or mine sentences.

>>213144315
Pick a short, simple techno song, no lyrics.
Now repeat in your mind the word and its meaning in rhythm with the song until it finish.
It will stick with you for a lot longer.

Best German Anki deck for the beginner? Goethe Wordlist, Refold or something else?

>>213141634
>Short Stories in French book
Which one? Could you send the cover

Reminder that learning a language is a meme. First of all, you can't afford to travel. Second, your TL falls into one of these categories:

>95% of the area it is spoken is a violent shithole
Spanish, Russian, Arabic, Farsi. In most of these places, it's actually WORSE to visit if you can speak the language, because more people will try to rob and scam you.

>the country is being ethnically cleansed
French, German, Swedish. Only visit if you are in strict compliance with Sharia Law at all times.

>too hard, you will never develop fluency as an adult learner
Chinese, Korean, Japanese. You will never speak or understand these languages.

>completely irrelevant
Everything else.

>>213141634
If you like Harry Potter then you should read Harry Potter, at least the first book
The only difficult part of the first Harry Potter book is Diagon alley which throws a lot of real and made up vocabulary at you

>>213143449
In the preface to his Grammar of the Arabic Language, Mr. W. Wright quotes medieval works in Arabic, modern works in French, Latin, Finnish (Lärokus i Arabiska Språket) and German.
These books are rare so they must not have been translated. This means the professor would have working knowledge in at least the main Arabic dialects and 4 other languages.
Tolkien also studied linguistics if I'm not mistaken, and translated Beowulf into modern English.

>>213146369
>First of all, you can't afford to travel
Skill issue

>>213146475
>Tolkien also studied linguistics if I'm not mistaken
Novels were a hobby. He was a professor at Oxford and the leading scholar of his time (and possibly of all time) on Anglo-Saxon studies. I believe he also knew Latin and Finnish at the least. To this day I encounter citations to his work in random bits of English history or linguistics or myth.

>>213146369
t. never crossed the Atlantic

>>213146645
A distant relative of mine has a PHD in linguistics and works at a university in Marseille, she speaks French well but does not know her native language, I'm guessing she is bilingual in the best of cases.
Why is academia so disappointing these days.

>>213146369
>can't afford to travel
you don't need to travel instead "travel" you can always emigrate
>it's actually WORSE
yeah, knowing what's going on around you and what people are talking about is so dangerous compared to not knowing at all
>ethnically cleansed
Migration is a problem now, but we don't know the future. Mass terrorism has been defeated, and perhaps stabbing attacks will be too
>too hard
You just need more time
>completely irrelevant
Not if you need it for something or just like it

input

>>213146322
Both of them, written by Olly Richards.