Thread 213171578

>fights multiple wars against the pope
>country literally wouldn't exist if you hadn't done this because they wouldn't let you be a unified people otherwise
>still slaves to him, pays him loads of money annually, collects taxes on his behalf

someone explain this mentality to me, this is like if Zelensky was publically still pro-russian after the russian invasion, it makes 0 sense. Either you think the pope is the greatest in which case you straight up give up your country to him to get annexed or you don't think that and then you'd stop paying him for magic good fortune spells?

How do italians justify collecting a religion tax and sending money to the vatican when the only reason it's "the vatican" and not "the papal state" is because they fought a war against italy and lost?

>>213171578 (OP)
wait Italians pay a tax to the Vatican? HAHAHHAHAHA
libtards here seethe when their parents give like a $20 to their local church

>>213171578 (OP)
they had to pay the popes jizya to remove the excomunication, basically

>>213171578 (OP)
You don't have to give your 5x1000 to catholics, you can pick other religions or give it to the government

>>213171651
i mean shitaly "unification" aka the invasion and pillaging of the most catholic country in the world named the kingdom of the 2 sicilies happened because godless freemasons that lived in Turin (yes one of the 3 center of world Satanism, guess why) together with the eternal anglo wanted to destroy religion and destroy one of the most wealthy and indipendent countries in the world, which refused any kind of alliance with any other country ( my kingdom is protected on 3 sides by water and on the 4th side by holy water=aka papal states)

>>213171770
It's because Sicilians didn't want to be oppressed by the napoleCANI

>>213171770
therefore the pope soon after the invasion excomunnicated "italy" aqnd its "royal" dynasty. This lasted for more than 50 years, till they decided to pay the jizya

>>213171687
>you can pick other religions or give it to the government
wikipedia says muslim's money stills goes either to the goverment or the vatican on grounds of muh terororism or some shit, and that has to be the second largest religion
i have no clue where other religions' would even go, other than the baha faith, mormons, jehovas witnesses and the church of england i guess, oh and that one muslim caliphate in england i don't know many religions that have a centralised governmental body like that

if you can set it up so that it goes to your local hindu temple that serves 200 people, what's stopping one from setting one up out of their apartment and then distributing the money back?
>>213171644
you pay more money to israel than italy does to the pope and in their case it at lest makes a semblence of sense in some kind of "hurr durr please dont cast a spell on me" way

>>213171872
>wikipedia says muslim's money stills goes either to the goverment or the vatican on grounds of muh terororism or some shit,
This is based
>if you can set it up so that it goes to your local hindu temple that serves 200 people, what's stopping one from setting one up out of their apartment and then distributing the money back?
It needs to be recognized by the govt obviously

>>213172031
>It needs to be recognized by the govt obviously
so only the catholics and maybe some even less reputable organisations like the mormons get money then, got it

>>213171578 (OP)
holy mother church oh algo

ALEX PATPO FATTORINO DELIVEROO PISTOIA

>>213171770
esotericism, not satanism, but i knows that it's all the same for cattocucchi

>>213172097
https://www.agenziaentrate.gov.it/portale/scelte-8-5-e-2-per-mille-irpef-2021/8-per-mille-2021
This is the list, it's a bunch of protestant denominations, orthodoxs, jews, hindus and buddhists. Basically everyone other than mudslimes. Also I made a mistake and it's the 8x1000 that go to religions

>>213171578 (OP)
themore or less tacit agreement was money and state religion status in exchange of electing italian popes,which would increase italian soift power. This doesn't work anyymore therefore I think we should stop funding them.

>>213172232
Why does Italy allow Jews, Hindus, and Buddhists to get tax money?

>>213171872
Basically most people dont bother to pick, and what happens is that the money of those who don't choose get distributed in the same proportion of what other people decided to choose. If 70% decided to pick the catholic church, then 70% of the money from the people who didnt choose will go to the vatican (instead of simply going to the state). It's basically free money for the vatican.

>>213172425
and italians are fine with this because...?

>>213172425
io scelgo il piccolo resto cattolico

>>213172425
How much money does Italy get from foreign Catholic pilgrims?

>>213172425
>>213172486
i pressed enter by accident
explain this mentality to me, how does a NATIONALIST government justify sending money outside of their nation for no gain?

>>213172338
We used to actually pay the clergy before we introduced the religious tax and since we are a secular state you have to let every religion be potential recipient for it
I know this is the thread for shitting on Italy but this is really a non issue unless you're an edgy 14 y/o atheist

>>213172563
>you have to let every religion be potential recipient for it
Why? Judaism for example insults the Lord Jesus Christ and regards non-Jews as inferior to Jews, why give money to Judaism?

>>213172561
if you go against the pope in shitaly you lose the elections, simple as

>>213172647
I already told you, secular state

>>213172561
the supposed gain was spreading romanocentric religion worldwide but>>213172282

>>213172561
The Vatican brings in a lot of tourism to Italy, 35 milliom tourists expected this year. Those tourists fly on Italian airlines, land in Italian airports, stay in Italian hotels, eat Italian food, buy Italian clothes, and may even travel to other areas of Italy outside Rome.

>>213172787
Most Italians are Christians, Italy is a democratic state, why are Italians ok with giving money to religions that hate them?

>>213172664
okay, well then explain why the people vote this way?
>>213172647
ever since the cold war non-eastern chrisitanity has been tied to support for the usa and israel, usa provides the muscle, christianity provides the funding

this is even true in some eastern countries like armenia, and arab countries like egypt. egyptian christians are an israeli 5th column

>>213172839
I get that you want to be a lil chuddy, but I already told you why, Italy is a secular state

>>213172879
Does being a secular state mean cucking to people who hate you?

>>213172936
Means treating every religion equally (unless they send all their money to terrorists) and also Jews have always been very well integrated in Italy, even Mussolini said so

>>213172647
jesus tought that you need to follow the law of moses
when the rich man approached him, he asked what should he do to be saved, the first thing jesus says is "follow the law (of moses)" when he says he already does all that, then jesus says if he wants to do extra, he needs to sell everything and give to the poor

christianity as you know it is fake bullshit invented by the schizo paul who says that jesus didn't really mean any of his teachings and what he actually needs you to do is buy expensive candles and sing songs about jesus all day because all the heavy lifting was done by jesus on the cross
this is a comfortable lie to many since it means you don't have to work on your character and can freely sin

italians arent the best at running a country

>>213172990
>Jews have always been very well integrated in Italy,
Yet they still hate non-Jews, they still hate the Lord Jesus Christ, they're still loyal to Israel more than to Italy, they still mutilate children's genitals.
>christianity as you know it is fake bullshit invented by the schizo paul
Wrong

>>213173062
I helped Jews renovating an old library and they didn't seem to hate me

>>213173062
meant for >>213173019 too

>>213173062
>>213173145
>Wrong
>read pauline epistles
>he mentiones jesus's teachings like twice in his entire bibliography
>when he talks about jesus' brother, he's almost embarassed to have met him, like they disagreed on most points
>this can't be
>entire letter written by said brother of jesus that calls out paul on his bullshit out there

Read the gospel of matthew, Jesus is clearly not only jewish, tells people to follow the law of the prophets, repeatedly stretches that you need to follow it BETTER than the pharsees, and is understood to be the new moses. I can go on and on, especially on, but it should be clear enough. Jesus was a devout jew who thought the apocalypse was coming, paul was a schizo and a retard who hijacked the movement.

>>213171644
church tax is a thing in multiple countries in europe, you have no clue how lucky you are with the 1st amendment

>>213172486
italy is a catholic country
mexico is largely the same but people do it voluntarily because they hate the state

>>213171651
>YOU WILL BURN IN HELL! AND THERE WILL BE NO FORGIVENESS!
>Unless you pay me money
You can tell that christianity is based on Judaism

>>213173346
I voluntarily give 15% of my paycheck to the archdiocese. In exchange, we get free mexican house cleaners and lowered gpa requirements in local schools. At 20% you're guaranteed admission after 10 years.

>>213173262
I've read both parts of the bible and tbqh both jesus and paul are schizos obsessed with death, killing and the apocalypse but one from a jew/semite perspective and another from a greek/hellenic perspective.

>>213173694
Paul was also a Jew though

>>still slaves to him, pays him loads of money annually, collects taxes on his behalf
not enough, the pope should be the king of italy
christ is king of the world, it's only fair for his vicary to rule over god's chosen people

>>213172843
>xplain why the people vote this way?
the pope is on tv 2 every day

>>213172338
they arent getting any in practice, 99.99% of people are going to give their 8x1000 to the catholic church.

>>213172338
here are the data for the repartition of money for the last years
purple is the catholic church, green is the italian state, red are evangelics, blue is everyone else

>>213174147
Evangelicals are pseudojews.

>>213174186
thats all non catholics though

I like JC better than JC and he murdered my ppl. Imagine being the heirs of the second greatest people(after the hellen) and going for the atheist barbarian "religion" of backwater Joodeia.
Lol you must be a cuck of epic proportion.

>>213174210
say that again?

why doesn't italy have catholic sharia? italy would be much better if it had the same reverence to god as my parents nation (honduras) where unchaste women are sold to narcos

>>213173836
paul was a hellenic half-jew who was not confirmed jewish by jewish rites
which is why he worshiped the only rabbi that considered him a good jew regardless of his blood lineage

>>213171770
based Sanfedist based

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xid2_oEP5ho

>>213171578 (OP)
Do you realize what the Vatican Museums are?
There is more Italian cultural heritage there than in an Italian city.

>>213174817
sanfedists has nothing to do with what i said but yes the k2s was the favorite country of the pope(after the papal states).
You cant believe the masonic propaganda the eternal anglo produced during the invasion of the 2 sicilies.

Mama mia! Dey locka me up ina da castle likea da Princessa Peacha!

>>213175199
>This evil warmonger is supporting the sicilian kindom in defending themselves against us! BAD!
I hope nobody fell for that ridiculous propoganda.
>>213174638
Why don't you live in Honduras, then? Go back if it's so great.

>>213175235
>Take this fedora, Pope. You will find it more comfortable than your hat.

>>213175553
The kingdom of 2 sicilies was already one of the most loathed kingdom in the entire Europe at that time

>>213171770
>>213171810
this
and the lombards (latu sensu) didn't even bother trying to create a new italian culture that would rectify such a dissonance between the catholic folk and the masonic rulers
>>213176187
by who? basically only by Savoy, Britain and a bit by France
Savoy because it was an obstacle in their conquest of Italy, Britain because of the Sulphur war and France because it stayed neutral during the Crimean war

>>213176187

i wasnt around back then but this seems about right judging by sicilians outside of sicily at the time

>>213176539
By everyone after Ferdinando "bomba" II
>>213176908
It was a Neapolitan kingdom and Sicilians hated it you stupid nigger