Thread 213382723

Why is Christianity seen as European?

Christianity destroyed the priceless cultural heritage of classical Europe which stretched back to the religion of the Aryans.

>>213382723 (OP)
abrahamic religions in general should be completely eradicated from Europe

Its judaism mixed with pagan european elements. Same way islam is seen as arab its judaism with arab paganism

I agree, but we shouldn't return to paganism either. At most a sort of cultural paganism

>>213383122
Eradication is too far but its a good thing this bullshit "religion" is dying out in this continent

>>213383122
add Italians to this as well

>>213382723 (OP)
Because it was in parts of Europe for hundreds of years.
>>213383122
I agree. I want to worship Perkwunos, not some jew on the stick or much less some arabic merchants fiery bush god.

>>213382723 (OP)
official religion of the roman empire

>>213383347
Then do, whats stopping you. Its not like you were in the times were not being a christian was a crime

>>213382723 (OP)
Christianity guides a lot of people. It formed a lot of the belief systems of your ancestors.

>>213382723 (OP)
>aryans

shitlerite retard detected

>>213382723 (OP)
Because it's too embarrassing for Europeans to admit that they had their native religions completely wiped out by mutant Judaism.

>>213382723 (OP)
Nothing good has ever come from Judea.

>>213383122
t.ching chong

I see christianity as almost inevitable
it's like banning slavery, at a certain point in history people are gonna think "wait no this is unjustifiable", it's kind of bound to happen
it's more complicated, but I think a similar pattern happens, where people conjure up some story in which "the absolute creator of the entire cosmos loved us so much, he sent his pure and perfect son, and we killed him", it's kind of the story of all absolutes merged into one
we are sinners from birth, but we were redempted, but we killed the redemptor, but he still forgives us so we can accept him in our hearts, it's like going emotional extreme to emotional extreme, and therefore that's the *Ultimate Story* that subsumes all others

>>213382723 (OP)
>Why is Christianity seen as European?

Because Europeans got buck broken by it.

Don't euros slap girls asses with a whip to increase their fertility a certain day? You people are as pagan as one can be.

>>213382723 (OP)
>p*gan after being punched by the weakest Christian

>>213382723 (OP)
>destroyed
that's not destroyed, but repurposed.

cutting that took an skilled artist hours

>>213383785
o sei un ebreo con le loro stronzate dell'essere i prescelti, o stai idolatrando un medio orientale ebreo morto duemila anni fa o peggio di tutti sei musulmano che manco hanno bisogno di presentazione, preferisco il mio ateismo o il larpaggio di paganesimo al limite grazie

>>213382723 (OP)
>Christianity destroyed the --- cultural heritage of classical Europe which stretched back to the (false) religion of the Aryans.
and that's a good thing

Lots of christcucks itt.

>>213384352
I'd wager at least 90% of them have never been to a church service before in their lives. They're just larping as religious after watching some based and redpilled sigma male deus vult edit on tiktok. Performative conservatism is very hot with the zoomzooms these days.

>>213383347
hating abrahamic religions is based but that doesn't mean you have to become a cringe larpagan

>>213382723 (OP)
>religion of the Aryans.
They had no religion. The modern Proto IE myths of sky daddy + lightning predates R1Apists and was probably co opted as they ran R1ape trains over the J1/J2 people of Eurasia that came from Anatolia.
In fact, if you really were serious about pre Christian European history, then Aryanism has nothing to do with the R1Apists that set out from the banks of the volga.
This could be linked with an already existing monstrous tribes like Frost giants/Titans/Asura-Devas.

>>213384319
>>213384352
nothing about aliyah making here

>>213384765
And these J1 J2 groups migrated from the Levant. You can still find J1 J2 in Turkey/Armenia/Georgia. But Europe was predominantly
>WHG in Scandinavia-dark skin, blue or brown(hazel) eyes forager and hunter group of people before farming abd settling became a thing.
Mostly I2 post ice Age "indigneous" Europeans. The type that schizos like Varg like to larp as.
You can still find traces in eastern Europe in the baltic regions.
>EEF+ WHG people in Southern Europe
But here's the thing. In Southern Europe, I2 people already had early farming settlements thanks to J1/J2 migration from Anatolia. Meaning Greece/Turkey and the Mediterranean already had a flourishing civilisation unlike Northern Euros who were still hunter gatherers foraging.

Until both groups get raped and replaced by invading R1A/R1B slavs from Eastern Europe+Central Asia. Zeus/Odin/Indra slaying Titans/Giants/Dasyus.

>>213384765
>>213385140
J1/J2 deez nuts, haploautist nigga LOL

>>213382723 (OP)
Europeans rarely hold on to ancient grudges. Just get over the past

come to think of it, i don't think i've ever heard of a single great christian european thinker talk about the alien aspects of christianity
do you guys know of any thinkers who have talked about it? know any books?

>>213382723 (OP)
>Why is Christianity seen as European?
Because it is, the "plot" may be abrahamic but the interpretation is using european philosophy and its main theologians are of euoropean mind, even the middle eastern and north African ones were part of the roman empire at the time.

>>213384679
>larpagan
Maybe to an american whose country never was without christiantiy. To EVROPEANS christianity is just a footnote, although it is overrepresented on account of recency bias and technological progress (paper and later printing press)

>>213385564
and yet the result is ***** and equivalent associations having enormous power all over the western world
yes the ********* guilt has definitely a lot to do with it but it would never have reached the point it did without Christianity

>>213382723 (OP)
>religion of the Aryans
I am unironically getting tired of the Nazi larpers. Just cringe soy edgelordism, Gen z equivalent of dead baby jokes.

>>213385624
Yeah and all those traditions were lost and destroyed. Neopaganism is pure larp outside of certain regions of Eastern Europe that have decent claims of preserving their traditions.

>>213386007
>Yeah and all those traditions were lost and destroyed
Not really, we still live them, christianity adopted them and spun them to its liking, but many things that we do are of older traditions. Where I am at now there is even a rite in service of a flower/nature deity.

>>213382723 (OP)
christianity allowed europe to become civilized, you dont need to believe in god because deities dont exist, but by being civilized and abiding by law youre following christian principles

>>213384765
>The modern Proto IE myths of sky daddy + lightning predates R1Apists and was probably co opted as they ran R1ape trains
Do you have any evidence of this?

>>213384156
not really

>>213383122
Hail Mars!

>>213383182
It's sad but yes, we can't truly revive polytheism. Only reject Christian values.

>>213383703
It's not embarrassing if we admit it and begin to correct it.

>>213384156
>cutting that took an skilled artist hours
It took many more hours to make the original.

>>213385962
I'm a millennial.

>>213385419
Christians themselves don't admit that.
For that, you need to read critics of Christianity such as Alfred Rosenberg, Karlheinz Deschner and Catherine Nixey.

>>213386391
>For that, you need to read critics of Christianity such as Alfred Rosenberg, Karlheinz Deschner and Catherine Nixey.
i was hoping for historical figures from centuries ago but thanks anyway, i'll check them out

>>213386219
>if you hate christcucks, you're jewish
As always, Amerimongrels thinking only black and white exists.

>>213382723 (OP)
because europoors invented it

>>213386503
Gibbon was the first big critic of Christianity

>>213386632
>Saul of Tarsus
>Simon Peter
>John the Baptist
>European

>>213386151
Not concrete proof, but how else would you explain repeating patterns?
R1Apists replaced the paternal haplogroup of three large and entirely different regions, instilling similar sounding mythos and languages in possibly different eras.
It didn't happen overnight but close to a century so the Sky daddy mythos could have been birthed from a fusion of these tribes that originated from the steppe raping their way throughout Eurasia.
There's missing pages and you can't say for sure but it's possible that they picked it up from Anatolia on their way into Europe.

>>213382723 (OP)
Correct. It's insane the amount of people that I hear saying - both online and IRL - that "our roots are christians".
Completely retarded ignorant cattle. One of the biggest "psyops" in history.
>>213383122
Assolutamente basato
>>213383182
That's the best course of action. People often (read: always) think that spirituality=belief in some sky daddy or whatever, but that's just not it.
>>213386219
I have no fear in calling you a christKIKE, because that's what you are.
>C-christ is king!
Imagine having a jew as your king and an poisonous alien sand-demiurge as your god.

Amerigolems are unbelievable.

Civic-mindedness and loyalty don't necessitate a bizarre obsession with your ethnicity or its imagined essence or purity.

>>213386151
>>213386979
Wait, I just realized there IS proof of that pre existing and being co opted.
The oldest instance of the swastika being recorded is from Ukraine. 7000BCE. Nearly 4000 5000 years before the "Aryans" rode out and spread the symbol around.

>>213386979
Seems more likely that the original Indo-Europeans (Aryans) simply had a common pantheon and then imposed this.

>>213387061
Based NatSoc

Bump

>>213382723 (OP)
I would be more anti-christian if pagans and atheist's weren't so fucking annoying. militant atheists main problem is that they pretty much only care about the god question and then just dump abstract thought altogether. which i suppose makes sense but seems a bit hollow and reactionary. I would say most online pagans are just factoid nerds who know a lot of random shit and get anal about this or that thing like some catholic debate lord, likely because they are the same people just in different stages of relapse in one faith or the other, again extremely insufferable.
also Christianity seems waaaay to fucking Greek. I cant think of many concepts unique to Christianity over Judaism which dont come from origen or some other Greek philosopher. pagans and Christians alike are also absolutely way to comfortable with Greek influence, they don't not understand that Greeks are equally dangerous and subversive as Jews but they are entirely uncritical of this development to the point of absurdity. you could have some /pol/ hard ass lecturing your about how Jews worship Asherah or Baal or whatever and the second you point out the Nephilim are named after Nephele or Iapetus is one of the sons of Abraham they give you that fluoride stare. Of course i am purley devils advocate here i am Gods's's mightiest philhellene (this is self deprecation) i just don't understand this blindness so many supposedly astute culture warriors don't mind these weeds in thier piss pot. The cultural deteriration of polis religion is obvious well before Christianity, i mean how can you have a reverent funeral game based on running and proving lifes glory over death turn into a sport where men punch each other in the mouth and swallow thier own teeth. No i don't believe Christianity was anything more then another bullet down the chamber in a long line of men shooting themselves in the head. The medicine would work too, if the fuckers didn't have kids before administering it.

>>213383182
>cultural paganism

Unfortunately they tried it during Revolutionary France, building temples and statues dedicated to the God of Knowledge, or the goddess of Friendship and so on, but it felt very astroturfed and people saw it as soulless and inorganic. Plus, Catholics saw it as pagan heresy, while intellectuals thought it was still too Christian and esoteric so no one really followed it.

Shame, because the idea was good.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_Reason

>>213389259
>God of Knowledge, or the goddess of Friendship
That's synthetic.

Actually polytheism means reviving the ancient gods: Zeus, Mars, Odin, Athena and so on.

>>213389458
>Zeus, Mars, Odin, Athena and so on.

No sane person would ever do that.
If it's retarded going to mass and listen to a sermon telling me I'm going to hell because I eat meat on Friday, it's equally as retarded to sacrifice a lamb to Zeus to have more rain for my tomatoes.

>>213389608
Well yeah. I said above we can't really bring that back in today's age.

Honestly I think the best choice today would be ancestor-worship. If we see Zeus, Apollo etc as representative of our ancestors from the Caspian steppe, then it can be integrated with religious "paganism". Honour our European ancestors.

>>213382723 (OP)
There is a limited knowledge of ancient European religions due to a lack of written record and the intentional destruction and murder of anyone who did know things. Writing spread throughout Europe with the Romans and then the Christians. Both of whom destroyed native religions that they encountered.

Virtually all of Europe's properly recorded and understood history also coincides with Christianity so it seems ever present. Before that we are reliant on Roman/Greek accounts of things, or patchy archeological and genetic theories that are hard to ever prove.

>>213389608
>it's equally as retarded to sacrifice a lamb to Zeus to have more rain for my tomatoes
Ironically I think thats the only form of neopaganism that would actually work and continue. Im talking fundamentalisms. its only the pig headed refusal to deny the stupid that keeps things afloat. the pure philosophical Neoplatonist aproach from the OFFSET does not work. just be catholic at that point. But paradoxically the names, the gods, the places, these are not the fuel that transmutate irrational larping into genuine reverence. it is fundamentally the abstract cultural concepts that if believed at face value make all the other cultic actions seem rational. you are basically asking for a complete mental shift on how one person perceives honor, justice, duty, shame, state, family, stranger etc... are virtually untranslatable and one of the last things you could come to grips with despite being the lynchpin to the system. the actual names and places are interchangeable, they are easiest to translatable but the the last to be translated. Sometimes I look at an image of Pentheus being disemboweled by his mother, someone bought this piece of pottery and put it in thier home to be a discussion piece, something so graphic and disgusting is just sitting there and im supposed to claim i understand it completely by just flipping my hand and saying its symposium culture? who am i kidding myself.

>>213382723 (OP)
>religion of the Aryans.
you mean the archetypical Sky Father?