Thread 213385126

We have planes for long travel. Cars for medium and short travel. Then what's the point of trains iyc?

>>213385126 (OP)
autism containment pods

>>213385164
enough about cars

>>213385126 (OP)
TRAINS WERE INVENTED BEFORE CARS
WHAT'S THE POINT OF CARS!!!??

>>213385228
Why do people keep using outdated passenger technology instead of cars and planes?

>>213385370
CARS AND PLANES ARE INEFFICIANT
ONE TRANSPORTS HARDLY ANYONE
THE OTHER REQUIRES ENOMROUSE AMOUNTS OF FUEL
TRAINS AND BOAT WERE FINE
ZEPPLINS WERE SLOWER, BUT BETTER THAN PLANES IN EVERY OTHER REGARD
SLOW TRAVEL IS MORE PLEASANT THAN FAST TRAVEL

>>213385441
>ONE TRANSPORTS HARDLY ANYONE
Buses are cars too. And you can get articulated buses with double the passenger capacity.
>THE OTHER REQUIRES ENOMROUSE AMOUNTS OF FUEL
Investment for saving time. It's ridiculous how even "high speed" rail is slower than planes. Wtf is even the point? Dick measuring vanity contest for countries?
>SLOW TRAVEL IS MORE PLEASANT THAN FAST TRAVEL
Cope

>>213385854
before buses there were trams thar ran on rails.
Dublin used to have an extensive tram network.
Then cars came along and no one was using it so they dismantled it.
and now they are trying to get rid of the car menace and are rebuilding trams again, but with great difficulty and expense. Should have kept the trams, innit.

>>213385126 (OP)
To make Europeans feel unique

>>213385911
Trams are inferior to buses

>>213385126 (OP)
cheap freight

>>213386031
buses are shitty to ride. they bounce around and every little bump in the road effects the experience. Trams run on rails and are stable. You can stand comfortably on a tram. On a bus if you stand you get thrown all around the place. In most cities at rush hour you will likely end up standing, therefore trams are actually superior.

Carrying large amounts of freight across vast distances where roads aren't maintained.

>>213386049
>>213386085
I'm only talking about passenger trains though

>>213385911
They dismantled the trams because trams fucking suck. A single obstacle means the entire line is frozen until the tracks are cleared. If you want high capacity electrified transport, use trolleybuses instead.

>>213386117
those buses are a sorry excuse for transport. See my former comment to this. The experience of travelling by bus is far worse than by tram. I know because my commute to work requires that I do both on every journey. If only I could get a tram the whole way.

>>213386104
Similar story. Some people can't afford a car and it's quicker to catch a train between certain destinations than it is to take a bus. Sometimes it's still quicker or less fucking around to take a train even when you do have a car. I drive everywhere, but if I went to Sydney, I'd probably just train it.

>>213386081
>buses are shitty to ride. they bounce around and every little bump in the road effects the experience.
Road problem not a bus problem

>You can stand comfortably on a tram.
Because they are slow or have less stops

>In most cities at rush hour you will likely end up standing, therefore trams are actually superior.
Articulated buses for high demand lines and shorter intervals in the schedule are the answer for that

>>213386198
Sounds like you should get your council to fix the roads, then.

>>213385126 (OP)
Europe is incredibly overcrowded and small when compared to Brazil.
Trains make sense to them, but not to us.
In fact, even 500km trips here I'm doing by plane, and I reach my destination in 40 minutes. I would never take a damn train.

>>213386117
Why the cuck pole? Why not use a regular diesel burning bvs?

>>213386290
Short distances can't be the answer when we already have cars (including buses) for medium and short travel

plane trips are expensive and too damn bureaucratic.

>>213386253
>Because they are slow or have less stops
the tram is faster because it has a mostly dedicated line, off road. and the tram in dublin actually has a fast top speed, it's a train/tram hybrid.
>>213386253
buses are only good for infrastructure planners, because they can be retarded and get away with it.
They degrade the road faster than a car would because they are heavier. They need road to travel on.
Trams are good (best) for passenger experience, but require good planning

>>213385126 (OP)
medium travel without having to drive / long travel with a tradeoff of extra time (often spent in line/waiting at the airport anyway unless you're crossing the country) for a cheaper ticket price.

>>213386371
>the tram is faster because it has a mostly dedicated line, off road.
Do bus lanes not exist in evropa yet?
>They degrade the road faster than a car would because they are heavier.
This is a matter of planning your road, using good material, using the right material in the right place (example: using concrete pavement for bus stops, terminals and parts of the road where they turn all the time). A good bus ride requires good planning

>>213386295
Much longer lasting + no diesel noise
>inb4 BEV buses
Our summers are hell and A/C power draw rapes effective range, we've seen that with the new BEV buses we already bought.

>>213386226
>and it's quicker to catch a train between certain destinations than it is to take a bus.
Why is that so?

>>213386532
>Do bus lanes not exist in evropa yet?
Are bus lanes not used for carpooling and making right turns there? Ottawa and one line in Mississauga are the only places I can think of here that actually have dedicated bus-only-everyone-else-fuck-right-off lanes.

>>213386598
>>inb4 BEV buses
>Our summers are hell and A/C power draw rapes effective range, we've seen that with the new BEV buses we already bought.
Weird, EV buses were going to be my answer. Probably they need better batteries or a quicker recharging mecanism then

>>213385126 (OP)
Trains are the most efficient form of land transportation for people commuting and for goods. I recommend the Adam Something youtube channel for your education. He is very /n/ and /int/y

>>213386731
Some bus companies have designed rapid chargers that look like this, but if you're going to install poles anyway, you might as well add some wires and turn it into a trolley line.

>>213386746
>most efficient form of land transportation for people commuting
cars
>most efficient form of land transportation for people commuting
cars/vans/trucks

>>213386673
Cars absolutely cannot drive over bus lanes, it's considered a very serious traffic violation, unless they're passing on a discontinuity like this one

>>213386439
>medium travel without having to drive
I should've written car/bus in the OP

>>213385126 (OP)
So much resources has gone by train here it's impossible to imagine Europe and not the least Sweden without rails.
Coal, ore, timber, food and other goods.
You should not take infrastructure for granted. Moving people for commute and recreation is a very recent phenomenon.

>>213385126 (OP)
im going to cum in my autistic pants

>>213385126 (OP)
Mexico is very mountainous and twisty roads are more dangerous to drive, we could use a lot more trains desu

>>213387328
Isn't mountainous environment much worse for trains?

>>213385126 (OP)
>We have planes for long travel.

Driving to the airport is shit and American airports aren't nice and fancy like non-American airports are. American airports are all from the 70s at best and the airlines all hire niggers and you're treated like shit always. It's a flying bus and Trump is deregulating what little remains so passengers can be treated worse. Look at any subreddit or travel forum for complaints by foreginers regarding shitty behavior at American airports. Or just ask your countrymen when they go from MIA's International terminal to MIA's domestic terminals, or worse attempt to transfer/layover at any domestic airport outside of MIA. For exactly this reason, Amtrak still runs a train from Florida to NYC and it's why Brightline exists.

For these reasons they want to kill Amtrak nationally, which is why states have to buy it themselves now. It's why Southwest wages war on the CA HSR project, because if people had the option of a train Southwest, Frontier and and Spirit wouldn't have any customers besides niggers because nigger behavior are banned from Amtrak (but not airlines, lol).

>>213387128
>Cars absolutely cannot drive over bus lanes,
You live in a country where a third of your population lives on less than a dollar a day and where children with guns shoot cops and win.

>>213387128
Well that's just fucking civilized. Bravo.

>>213387399
Mexico had trains until 1994 when we forced them to sell it all to us, and we dismembered it. Unfortunately AMLO now Judia are attempting to take it away and rebuild it, which is socialism. Related to this was how Trump allowed Canada to buy KCS (runs to Mexico and in Mexico) and created the largest railroad in America, thereby ceding control of our economy to the Canadian government. Judia wants the same deal.

>>213386961
I'm no battery expert but what if you charge it from multiple inputs at the same time?

>>213387454
>where children with guns shoot cops and win
is it the role reversal that throws you off?

>>213387454
Yeah but if there's one thing that is enforced is traffic fines. The government earns money with them

>>213387514
who prevents buses from being hijacked and ransomed for organs in the favelas?

they used to be for the long travels before jet planes era

now what we can do, lets say for usa, is build high speed lines along biggest metro areas, south california, florida, texas, east coast and leave interstate for the airlines except for few tourist oriented trains

in europe imagine having high speed trains between big cities and shinkansen type bullet trains between capitals would top airlines easily, no check ins, no waiting in lines, no luggage headache, no flying and landing etc, but with same travel speed, hop in hop off, and you done.

so trains are perfect as car/plane substitute in local and regional scale.

I have a nice car and I ask the same question but then when I need to go south I once again buy a sleeper train ticket

>>213387549
There aren't bus lanes or any type of special infrastructure in favelas

>>213385126 (OP)
Trains are for frequent travel. You don't want to spend an hour every single day driving a car, that's just a waste of time. Taking a train let's you read books, play games on your phone and checkout qts instead.

>>213386031
They really aren't

>>213388693
In situations where the train's faster, I'm all over it.
Those situations are rare here.

>>213385911

Lel, literally what's happening in my city right now
We used to have an extensive tram line that covered all the city, then cars were the new big fad and in the 50s they dismantled all the rails.
Now they realized how stupid they were they're building them again, and it's taking fucking forever.

>>213385126 (OP)
Trains should be transport for everything. Light rail, subways, HSR depending on distance needed/geography

>>213388693
All of that apply to buses

>>213386272

Heavy buses destroy the road they use to circulate, it's a fact. Then the road becomes extra bumpy and filled with holes, so it's dangerous for bikes and other cars, and for passenger in the bus it seems like you're riding on lunar soil.

>>213387454
>a third of your population lives on less than a dollar a day
This is not true.

>>213385854
HST are faster than planess within a 500-600 km radius. You travel from city center to city center, no long waits before boarding etc.

>>213385126 (OP)
To laugh at all the retards stuck in traffic for 2+ hours.

I'm impressed people here are being this civil and putting up with this macaco's retarded bait.

>>213389638
Why are some Brazilian posters always so insecure and defensive?
>uhh I'll preemptively call him a monkey I'm not like this dumb monkey guys

>>213389708
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur-ggo4Aek8

>>213385126 (OP)
I find Trains to be better than planes here, Like the Toronto to Vancouver route you get to see cool tall mountains up close.

>>213385198
he means trains. autist males fucking love trains.