Thread 213417425

It's crazy how half of Europe as recently as 1989 was under such a cartoonishly dystopian regime that it constructed a wall to prevent Easterners from catching a glimpse of the non-shithole half of the continent

>>213417425 (OP)
you don't understand. Belgian zoomers have clouds and Lidl, it's inhuman to live in such conditions.

>>213417425 (OP)
I think it was the other way around but whatever satisfies you

>>213417656
The westoid didn't want you to see this opulence...

>>213417425 (OP)
>croatians in croatia
3,5 million
>croatians outside croatia
4 million

>>213417741
What about it

>>213417656
>you WILL live in the rat infested commiebloc that has even worse living conditions than a victorian shanty town
>you WILL be forced to get a passport just to go to another part of your own country
>you WILL let the government tell you where you're allowed to work and have all other jobs or opportunities denied you
>you WILL wipe with leaves and newspapers because there's a toilet paper shortage
>you WILL let your shit infested toilet sit and stink for two weeks straight because there's a plumber shortage

How do you tards actually delude yourselves into believing that eastern bloc states were secretly good places to live?

>>213417425 (OP)
>depopulating your country to increase another country's GDP is good
No wonder your people are being used as slaves in Germanistan

>>213417425 (OP)
The dystopic east still exists in 2025, it just got pushed back.

>>213417806
they live good here just like you, whatever butthurt shithole you crawled out of

>>213417931
I hope you enjoy the hordes of Slavs and Muslims suppressing YOUR wages, retard.

>>213417741
Yes when the commie states crumbled and people could actually get out, surprise surprise they did

>>213417975
Tbf in Yugoslavia they could already emigrate because we didn't have movement restrictions. A good deal of Yugoslavia's economy was based on remittances from West Germany. Unsurprisingly people here got disillusioned with communism very quickly

>>213417806
I wonder what made them leave

>>213417656
Lol
>>213417806
Having to build a goddamn wall to keep your people in tells a lot about the state of that country

>>213417975
and now we get brain drain in east europe and social dumping in western europe - it's a win-win! mmmmh neoliberalism so tasty

>>213417425 (OP)
predecessor to pepe on the far left

>>213418124
>Having to build a goddamn wall to keep your people in tells a lot about the state of that country
Good thing once the walls fell everything became rosy, all laggards became prosperous and there was no mass emigration. Oh, wait... What's your unemployment rate, again?

>>213417917
/thread

>>213418186
>Breaking the wall didn't magically and immediately fix the fifty years of piled up issues so the wall was good actually
Interesting logic

>>213418276
Yeah, exactly, so your genius reaction was to break the wall BEFORE you solved those problems, so that you would have even more problems to deal with. Have you seen your country's economy in the 90s, have you seen your unemployment after 1991? Or what about your GDP per capita after 2008? You are as rich today as you were in 2008, you are going to have an anniversary of a 20 years long stagnation and you still go back to bootlick the system that kicked you in the nuts several times. How many socialist regimes had a 20 years long stagnation?

hey wait a minute, not being able to fuck off to cayman islands, switzerland or dubai to not pay taxes after my neighbors, friends and family worked hard to pay for my childcare, education and healthcare is so dystopian

>>213417425 (OP)
my dad travelled to berlin in 1990 and was most impressed by the big roads and all the cars. barely anyone had one in his small town and it was only lada, trabant and moskvich

>>213418401
You’re having a wierd ass meltdown

>>213418401
My friend I wasn't even alive at the time. And I was just saying that the country was pretty shit because it had to build a wall to keep everyone from leaving it.
>How many socialist regimes had a 20 years long stagnation?
Soviet Union has a time literally called the Era of Stagnation that lasted almost exactly 20 years lol

>>213417729
Under Socialism shortages are a GOOD THING because things aren't produced for profit, they are produced to be given away to all people.

Look how in any supermarket in the West items that are on discount go ''out of stock'' in a heartbeat, now apply that same logic to all the items in a socialist supermarket and there you have ''shortages''.

>>213418554
>you are hurting my feefees
You are writing like a woman, do you have a cunt between legs?

>>213418607
so true comrade

>>213418585
>Soviet Union has a time literally called the Era of Stagnation
It did not. I speak Russian and I read several books on Soviet economy, one of them by none other than fucking Gaidar, one of the first Russian prime ministers under Yeltsin and one of the most liberal Russian ministers in existence. What it had in reality was an era of slow growth. Here is your fucking ENGLISH Wikipedia right here, do you see economic stagnation? It's called an era of stagnation largely because of the lack of domestic reforms rather the complete lack of growth. Meanwhile your country has had actual 0% growth for the last 17 years

>>213418620
I don’t even understand what you’re arguing for, was the wall a good thing or something?

>>213418643
It's true. A british economist who lived in the USSR in the 20s noted that the Soviet Union had tripled the production of shoes compared to Tsarist Russia but people in the streets in Moscow and Saint Petersburg were lamenting the fact that stores were out of shoes. Why? Because now everybody could afford to buy shoes, even the poorest peasants who got shoes for the first time in their lives. Before only the middle and upper class could buy them, so there were shoes in the stores because they were out of reach to most people price-wise, that's what gives the illusion of ''abundance'' under capitalism, you produce less stuff but it's more expensive so more stuff will stay on the shelves = idiots will mistake that for abundance

>>213418807
Closed borders are important for workers of all countries. They are important for shitholes because they suffer from brain drain and in rarer cases labour shortages, meanwhile closed borders are usually good for developed countries as well, unless they have extremely low unemployment rate, because immigration helps the capital the most by inflating the value of assets and by keeping the wages down. It's a standard socialist talking point, I am surprised Swedes are retarded enough not to know it.

>>213418758
>Finland has had poor economic growtth so the Berlin Wall was actually good
wat

Right wingers will advocate for open borders but against immigration in the same sentence lol

>>213418040
I met some old man in a zagreb tram once, he spoke pretty good german and told me about how back then he was a guest worker etc. friendly man, croats are cool

>>213419052
that thing is called schengen zone
try to get inside that without UN refugee policy - i can assure you, if you was born in Bosnia instead of Denmark you would never, ever be able to get EU resident status.

Why aren't wages in eastern Europe going up as fast as they are losing their population?

>>213419781
The fuck you mean not fast enough, today Bulgarians earn 1300 euros on average vs 1600 for Portuguese and half as much as Spaniards or Italians. And Bulgarians are the poorest members of the EU! Those who have low unemployment rate are doing relatively fine. Countries like Ukraine are fucked because regardless of losing millions of people they still have an army of unemployed people, it's hard for purchasing power to grow when businesses have an army of excessive labourers competing for limited jobs. You need either productivity gains or low unemployment to experience actual wage growth.