Thread 213449433

Is Buddha/Buddhism south Asian-jeetoid or east Asian?

Brown indian

Depends on the school, theraveda hate mahayana

most vedic traditions are Corded Ware Culture coded

>>213449433 (OP)
>Siddhārtha Gautama
Does the name not give it away? He was a Śākya Sūryavaṃśī Kṣatriya, from the Solar Dynasty. Non-Indians cannot be Kṣatriyas. They'd be classified as Mlecchás.

>>213450649
Many Asians are saying he's mongoloid

>>213449433 (OP)
Don't know, is Christianity middle eastern or European?

>>213450964
How? What are their mental gymnastics and coping mechanisms?

>>213450649
>Shakyamuni Buddha was a Shakya, a sub-Himalayan ethnicity

>The Shakyas were widely considered to be non-Vedic (and, hence impure) in Brahminic texts

Why do jeets constantly try to steal others peoples history?

It was jeet-coded but they kicked them out and it became east asiaslop

he was in between. but i wonder why can't i just ignore his teachings. whenever i read about buddhism i'm like wow this guy knows some shit. and even though i know reincarnation and karma is from hindu bullshit mixed with buddhism, right now i can't even totally deny reincarnation.

>>213451275
Just because they're non vedic doesn't mean they're not jeet

India is 0.7% buddhist.

Buddhism hasn't been jeet for a long arse fucking time. It has been persistently modified and is now undisputedly East and South-East Asian.

>>213451539
Oh no, there are the Sri Lankan hangers on. I forgot about them. You had to ruin it all, you little shits.

>>213451275
The only reason the Brahmins seethed about the Greater Magadhan regions (which included the Śākyas) was that they placed Kṣatriyas above Brahmins, even in the ritual and religious sense.
They were still an Indo-Aryan tribe, still spoke Sanskrit, and still fell under the Mahājanapadas.

>>213451572
Still, India and Sri Lanka combined account for 5% of the world's buddhists.China has 49%, Thailand 13%.

>>213451539
It's still classified as an Indian religion
>>213451615
They'll were from the indo-gangetic planes as well not from the Himalayans where everyone looks Asian

>>213451652
Chinese Buddhism is garbage.

>>213450964
Just like the whites depicting Yeshua ben Yosef as white

Buddha realized that life was suffering after spending 5 mins in Bihar.

>>213449433 (OP)
There are many types of Buddhism ranging from the stereotypical peacenik mystics in the West, to genocidal ultra nationalists in Sri Lanka and Myanmar. In SEA, Buddhism is often mixed with Hinduism, Taoism and ancestor worship.

I don't believe anything said from India

>>213449433 (OP)
He was a 6'7 brown man

>>213450649
Shakyas were non-Aryan according to Manu.
They use to marry their own sisters and worshiped trees.

>>213454974
>they use to marry their own sisters
Holy based. The more I learn about the Śākyas, the more based they sound.
Also, no one historically gave a shit about the Manusmṛti. It was just the power fantasy of incel Brahmins fantasizing about having higher status than kings and aristocrats or landowners.

>>213451319
I wonder why it appealed to asiatics so much, maybe it was just a case of influential groups/people adopting it/enforcing it at an opportunistic time. Story as old as time. But certain aspects of it will likely gave appealed to the asiatic nature. The asiatic mind is a disciplined mind and very cautious. The same could also be said for the various peoples of the indian subcontinent, but asiatics are seemingly more inclined towards what could be considered "barren", "vacant", or "distant" ideals than the latter. I suppose various types of buddhism appealed to asiatic minds, along with opportunism.

>Now Buddha was a man of the barbarians who did not speak the language of China and wore clothes of a different fashion. His sayings did not concern the ways of our ancient kings, nor did his manner of dress conform to their laws. He understood neither the duties that bind sovereign and subject nor the affections of father and son. If he were still alive today and came to our court by order of his ruler, Your Majesty might condescend to receive him, but … he would then be escorted to the borders of the state, dismissed, and not allowed to delude the masses. How then, when he has long been dead, could his rotten bones, the foul and unlucky remains of his body, be rightly admitted to the palace?
It's south Asian

>>213456523
It appealed since it fit a theological niche that others asia regions hadn’t developed yet

>>213456678
You mean to tell me they didn't already have something along the lines of "right way of living leading to beneficial outcome"? You might say there's more to buddhism than that, but for the everyday person, that's essentially where the foundations of it are.

>>213456523
In East Asia people were obsessed with it initially because they thought it had magical powers

>>213456812
Many religions are of course like that
> theological niche
Like karma, reincarnation, etc. Places like China with Taoism or the existing folk religion didn’t have a set answer on what happens after life while Buddhism did. Like Buddhism as theological system existed as a separate entity from their current beliefs and was easier to integrate as another set of practices to celebrate alongside their own. I think mainland SEA buddhism was more strict though although in places like thailand it still syncretised hinduism and tai folk religion. It spread early on to Central Asia too until Islam.

Buddhism in Japan is very secularized, and the line between it and Shinto is blurred.

It's like asking if Christianity is Middle Eastern coded or European coded.

It began in the Middle East, Jesus' disciples were all Middle Easterners, Semites, etc., but it ended up in Europe.

That said, there's a very high involvement that Indians had with Buddhism even after it expanded into East Asia. Indian scholars would regularly undertake religious pilgrimages to East Asian countries where they would work as translators of Sanskrit texts and set up Buddhist schools. Most prominent examples of this are Bodhisena, Bodhidharma, Vajrabodhi, etc. and many East Asians would travel to India esp. Nalanda to study Buddhism.

All this ended by 1191 as much of Northern India came under control of Turks who resented Buddhism and destroyed Nalanda.

>>213456812
For the everyday pre-modern person Buddhism allowed you to go to heaven and protected you from going to hell

Add in that buddhas also grant you blessing and it can spread like wildfire with mendicant preachers

>>213457157
It's not turks, islamic missionaries peacefully took away people from buddhism like the Sindhi ismailis

The novelty of islam and the repression of brahmins stamped it out, not so much conquerors

>>213457250
Islam destroyed their main centers of learning in northern india and many in some sultanates like Bengal converted also from its preachers not just due to its novelty.

Brahmins moreso integrated the popular aspects of buddhism and had buddha be an avatar of vishnu so it made less sense to be just buddhist. Hindu kings patronised the brahmins more due to it and it dealt a heavy blow to buddhism since a large source of income is getting money from kings.

Buddhism in general was getting too complex and its monastic ways were becoming too inaccessible to the common believer

Indian, even if India is mostly Muslim and Hindu their neighbors up north and far east are all Buddhists or some version of it

>>213457408
> converted also due to wanting to climb the social ladder* (ignore the also from its preachers)

Buddhism is SEA, simple as

>>213457492
I’m going there as we speak

>>213457509
>>213458267
Based

>>213457492
>>213457509
>>213458267
>>213458291
Crazy that everyone there just kind of forgot it existed until a random Dutch cracker wandering through the woods based on a vague myth he heard from the locals stumbled upon it.

>>213451275
>flag
Huh ?

>>213453593
Love that meme kek

>>21345652
It was similar taoism but more sophisticated and complex and in japan buddism were religion practiced by nobality . japanese loved china they copied everything from them writing script , religion etc and In SEA buddism got mixed with local religion and culture easily i think vietnam have there own gods lore mixed budhist lore

>>213457072
Yeah i think In every country it got mixed with there folk religion

>>213449433 (OP)
>visits Bihar once
>finds out the point of existence is suffering
WDHMBT?

>>213454974
>Kambojas
Pol Pot bros...

>>213453593
He was roaming around in Nepal-UP when he got assblasted.
He had to come to Bihar to stop seething.

The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend personal God and avoid dogma and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things natural and spiritual as a meaningful unity. Buddhism answers this description. If there is any religion that could cope with modern scientific needs it would be Buddhism.

Both Hinduism and Buddhism originated in ancient India, but they apparently have different paths to liberation from reincarnation and other issues.

>>213451369
The idea of reincarnation is older than Hinduism or Buddhism.
There is an even older teaching called Brahmanism.

Japanese Buddhism is the same as Christianity in that the dead go to paradise and live forever in heaven.
Evil people go to hell.

Started in India. Spread both south east and north west. The part that spread south east made its way to South East Asia. The part that spread north and west ended up in Tibet, Mongolia, China, Korea and Japan.

It then basically became an extreme minority religion in India, and most Buddhists in India today are like neo-Buddhists.

>>213463511
>Evil people go to hell.
Is it for a set number of days depending on your crime which is judged by a court before you get reincarnated or is it permanent?
Also if you’re Japanese and spiritual/religious, do you see yourself as Shinto, Buddhist, both, or just Spiritual?

>>213462624
The conflict between religious dogmaticism and "scientific reality" is, I believe, a false dichotomy (I would posit that both sides of this ideological divide, at the highest levels, are controlled by the same interests, or are contended over by warring factions - in either case, no party involved holds to "scientific reality"). We live through the western mind's experience of this conflict, as they are the dominant power of the era, stemming from their mastery of mechanical engineering/metallurgy/heat transfer. The origins of this conflict in the western mind stems from the Catholic church's control over the European mind, and prior to that, Rome. The modalities of thinking, linguistics, governance/law, and things like time keeping (calendrical systems) which the western, and therefore, the global mind uses stems from an Italianesque influence. I wonder if this "Italian influence", as I put it, has interesting origins. Your suggestion religion/spiritually having to accommodate "modern scientific reality" perhaps is the missing the mark. Maybe by asking "how did we end up with these thinking methodologies?" is a better place to start. It is, if you want to begin to approach being consequential, otherwise you're forever working inside of a paradigm you've adopted due to necessity, but also due to its astounding effectiveness.

>>213463612
In Japan, there is a being called King Enma who judges evil people.
The level of hell that evil people go to depends on the deeds they committed while alive.
I'm not a very spiritual person, but many Japanese funerals are Buddhist in style, and we do pray at shrines and temples.

>>213463730
Interesting perspective

But asking <why do we think this way?> doesn't change the fact that this way of thinking may not fully explain reality or align with scientific truth.
In other words, understanding the origins of our mindset is important, but what matters more is whether it connects with the actual nature of the universe and the spiritual sense of meaning we seek.

Buddhism's ability to transcend personal gods and embrace both cosmic unity and scientific inquiry is more than just a cultural artifact.
At the end of the day, no matter how much we debate the origins of our thinking, if it doesn't relate to the reality we face right now, it's just a philosophical excuse.

What do you all think? If anyone has a better way to bridge <scientific reality> and <spiritual truth> I'd love to hear it

>>213463612
Ah, I didn't read it properly.
In Japanese Buddhism, hell doesn't last forever.

>>213463612
Doesn't going to heaven or hell apply to non-believers as well?
I'm not an expert on spiritual matters, so I don't know.

>>213463965
>In other words, understanding the origins of our mindset is important, but what matters more is whether it connects with the actual nature of the universe and the spiritual sense of meaning we seek.
I would recommend you try to begin to understand the importance of human thought processes. Take language, as an example, in its expression of prayer. Why do mantras exist? Why do bible excerpts exist? Do you believe they do nothing to the physical body (including the brain)? If you believe that, then you haven't had enough experience with spirituality/religion. Linguistics is important, and the origins of language, and the intentions behind it is significant, and is very closely related to religious/spiritual thinking. This is just one example of the importance of thinking methodology. Language and symbolism is very closely related to impacting reality, directly. You will not believe this until you have experience with it (and I'm not claiming to be an expert by any means). Prayer methodical and structured prayer is a publicly available means of experiencing this.

>>213463790
I see, we have the same thing but it’s 10 courts.

I ask the second one because I’m questioning myself if it’s correct or accurate to label asians who have shrines or prayed to the buddha as buddhists due to the amount of syncretism that asians practice after talking to an anon for it while I felt against it but now I don’t know.

>>213464260
For us, I think as long as you’re Chinese going through the motions of the underworld are still applicable regardless of faith last I remember.

>>213464282
And I see the irony of making grammatical mistakes while speaking on the importance of linguistics. I'm sorry

>>213449433 (OP)
The jeets started it but gave up ownership and influence of the religion to the east Asians. They felt Ganesh and friends were enough.

>>213464368
That's an interesting take and I can see where you're coming from.

But isn't there a risk of assigning too much mystical power to language itself? At what point does it stop being a tool for understanding and start becoming a kind of magical thinking?

On the flip side though, if language truly holds that kind of power, wouldn't Buddhist mantras be a perfect example? They're not just recited for ritual. they're meant to embody the vibration of reality itself.

So maybe Buddhism isn't just compatible with scientific inquiry, it may actually already be operating on the kind of linguistic reality interface you're talking about.

>>213449433 (OP)
jeetoid

Real answer: It's both. Religion spreads.
Meme answer: It's ARYAN

>why are jeets always stealing other people's cultures?

Lord Elgin, that better not be you.