Thread 213492948

it's literally impossible for a regular young person to move out
they keep pumping apartment prices, they became goods and politicians themselves own 10+ apartments to make money so they have no intention of doing anything about it
you have to be a millionaire to buy a 30 square meter apartment in a decent city
happens in your country?

>>213492948 (OP)
>buy
>live alone
just rent a house in a suburb with roomates honestly who the fuck still lives with their parents at 25?
i was a neet looser pot smoking deadbeat and still managed to get on my own at 22 without finishing highschool in the most saturated real state market of europe known as P*ris
stop whining
take control of things
i though poles were supposed to be manly

>>213492948 (OP)
>balkans
LMFAO

ja pierdole ludzie

>>213493299
>>213493318
Why do white people hate their families?

>>213492948 (OP)
no

Living with your parents and saving money to buy your own place is the meta 2025

>>213492948 (OP)
>it's literally impossible for a regular young person to move out
sorry that you had to be born in a poor family
my parents simply bought me an apartment because they only decided to have a child when they knew they would be able to provide to it, that's what responsible parenting is about
blame your parents for adopting the mentality "let's make a kid first and then we will see what will happen"

>>213492948 (OP)
yes

>>213493374

Always has been.
Unless you somehow make it with moderate or high success in some income scheme, you're stuck with saving by the month.

>>213493343
have you seen my flag?
im brown
check mate

>>213492948 (OP)
I recently took mortgage for 1 bedroom apartment and in three years when I can refinance I will get another one. I also inherited 1 bedroom apartment from my family. I have tenants in them paying my mortgage. While boomers would become millionaires in the 90s doing this I might be lucky enough to have a livable place for a family one day.

as a trucel I have 0 reasons to move out

>>213492948 (OP)
We literally had one figure head from the government saying that we must secure houses for the immigrants that are coming and that native portuguese should stay with their parents. They are the priority

i pay 700eur for 16m shared utilities with 234others kek

>>213493318
In eastern european countryside is normal to have 2 generational houses that are mostly privately owned. You can be a low wagie and live in a nice house but you have to have your parents in separate part of the house. If your parent aren't psychos it is actually comfy, they will look after your children and you don't have to be a fucking slave driver for them like in the west.

>>213493597
24* other people in the house
The landlord is making 16k a month in revenue on a 1.(smth)k mortgage haha very cool.

>>213493620
>16m
>24 people

>>213493527
>While boomers would become millionaires in the 90s doing this
I guess back in the 90s people couldn't predict what level of development Eastern Europe would reach in 30 years, people were more concerned about their day to day lives, especially that the period of economic transformation was quite harsh for many.

I also see people here crying "why my parents didn't buy an apartment in central Warsaw in 1995 when it cost 5k USD" but they forget that many people barely had anything to eat or struggled to find any employment, getting 5k USD would be a dream for them and if they really got those 5k, investing in a dilapidated post-commie shithole seemed like the worst option, everyone would rather use that money to get some diploma/whatever skills and fuck off to the west

>>213493552
Same

>>213492948 (OP)
Sorry dude, you had the chance to get on the property ladder 20-30 years ago, now it's over and you're back to rule by big landowners

>>213493646
16m2 is my own room kek. At least I got a sink they rammed into the wall for legal reasonsl. Some of them live in 8m2 with only a bed

>>213492948 (OP)
Same here.
I'm 26 and live with my parents btw. My dad told me that I have to move out in 2 years.

>>213493299
>rent a house in a suburb with roomates
how exactly is this preferable to just living at home? like what's the upside here

>>213493709
dont do it bro. They put up fake room listening for cheap prices and then kidnap/force you into the army.

>>213493658
The biggest landlords here are former communists that saw what is going on in the west and bought whole commie block neigborhoods owning 1000s of apartments for pennies after the revolution. Also westeners bought whole blocks of buildings in Prague. Common people had it much worse than we do now but some people concentrated wealth in a way impossible today.

>>213492948 (OP)
My parents divorced and left the house, I now live alone without moving out

>>213493701
I lived in a shared 3 bedroom apartment with another 5 people for 6 years. Than landlord found out that where he can have 6 czech students he can have 15 working ukrainians and slowly replaced whole building with them lol.

I love alone since I'm 24. Got lucky early in crypto and bought myself a flat.

>>213493726
>then kidnap/force you into the army.
I'm not in Ukraine, you know.

The better question would be: is this NOT happening in your country?

>>213493299
i do this and its not worth it. so many arguments and harsh disagreements. least with my parents id be saving money. but they kicked meowt at 19 because i failed a semester @ school

>>213493850
What's going on in Peru and Morocco?

>>213493724
Obviously it depends on each individual situation if youre a country bumpkin sure the incentives are low but in a more dynamic enviorement your personal growth will certainly be stunt
you will always be financially and emotionally a child depending on your parents
theyre not meant to take care of you past a certain point you know that right?
Society is prolonging adolecense for no reason and then wondering why the men are such pussies
oh yeah if youre a girl you get to stay until you get married

>>213492948 (OP)
I have technically moved out because parents handed me down one apartment that is my own, although I think according registry data I still probably am resident in my hometown, parents house.

>>213493872
either work on your social skills / problem solving or get better roomates
ive had a couple shitty roomates you either fix things or gtfo
be a fucking adult and compromise
ive havent had drama for years because the lines are clearly drawn
most of the people ive heard saying
>OH i could never live like that
are inmature assholes who never came out of their comfort zone/family care

>>213493701
That sink counts as a kitchen in Dutch laws so now the landlord can ask higher rent
The law is fucked here

>>213493608
True, I think it's not all bad.
Would be bad if family was large, and all members were low income/not working and house was small.

>>213493997
Not him, but it's really not that easy. Only so many people available as roommates, and even if you improve your social skills they still may not theirs.
Best thing you can hope for is to have good close friends to room with and hope to got they don't try to pull one of their friends into the mix.
I mean how in the fuck am I supposed to deal with some Korean student who demands the AC/Heating always be turned off even when he's not home? Lads lost it.

>>213493736
>and bought whole commie block neigborhoods owning 1000s of apartments for pennies after the revolution
How was it possible? Here apartments were just privatized in the sense that their ownership was transferred from the state to their occupants (in theory they were supposed to pay for it but it was a fraction of their real price, more like a symbolic amount). Buying up whole commieblocks by one person was impossible, at least I didn't hear of such a case.

Fuck this government for making everything so expensive so they can reap the profits

>>213492948 (OP)
is that a proxxy for incel population ?

>>213493608
This and it's not only about the countryside, in cities many people live like this too.
These houses are really big, you can have one floor that is like 150sqm only for yourself. And it's very comfortable if you want to start a family and have children because you have your parents next to you so they can always help you.

>>213492948 (OP)
>25-34
>34...
Those Italian lads are taking care of their parents right?
RIGHT?

As much as Sweden sucks sometimes, I'm damn happy I live here simply because of the low rent.
Moved out at 18 over 12 years ago.
Youngest brother just moved out at age 19.
Having roommates or living with my parents is just not something I can't even imagine.
My apartment isn't huge, 48sqm but the rent is €490/month and I am in the middle of my city.

>>213494214
What city? Can't be stockholm for such a low price
I pay €2000 for 70m2
Fuck this government

>>213493997
Rent hell is insane. I can't imagine living with room mates, regular apartments are bad enough because people living next to you or the landlord can do whatever the fuck they want and rape your eardrums in daytime. There is no fixing the rent market.

>>213494033
'spacious walkable room with fresh eastern lighting and wash and cleaning facility': 700eur
>>213493801
Immigrants DO NOT TAKE UP GOODS AND SERVICES racist dog

>>213494245
>I pay barely 50% of my city's median wage for a 70sqm palace yet I feel like I should criticize my government for it
westies just have it too good, every crying westoid should get a punishment in the form of mandatory 6 month stay in eastern Europe with an average Eastern European wage so he would never complain about his home country again

>>213494245
Linköping.
But it was the same when I lived in Uppsala and Kalmar.

>>213494245
Not him but I live here in Stockholm and pay around 560 euro per month for 39m2.
Just depends on where in Stockholm you live. Near/inside areas like Södermalm, Östermalm and other central places? Brutally expensive. The rest? A little more expensive compared to other cities but nothing extreme.

It's the housing queue that fucks you in Stockholm. It's several years long today.

>>213494045
>I mean how in the fuck am I supposed to deal with some Korean student who demands the AC/Heating always be turned off even when he's not home? Lads lost it.
by telling him to kindly fuck off, put on a jacket and stfu BECAUSE ITS SUMMER
i had a similar situation with a dude from french guyana who kept turning on the heating ON SUMMER
we discussed about it, got into a game where he would turn it on, i would turn it off and we would go back and forth, this is where being more than two is useful because the third guy was sick of the heating to so simple democracy told him to put on a jacket and stop turning the heat on

>>213494326
>köping

>>213493997
man, french people really have no souls

>>213494419
Yes? Means place of trading, market etc.
We have many of them. Linköping, Söderköping, Norrköping, Köping etc.

Scandis are the luckiest in the world
if I had to choose to be born again i would choose scandinavia

>>213494453
interesting, in Slavic languages "kupit" means "buy"

>>213492948 (OP)
But rent control will fix it :))))))

>>213494453
turns out it is a latin derived word... we have 'kopen' as in buying

>>213494480
ok, I checked and apparently it's a Gothic loanword in Slavic languages (related to German kaufen and so on). So thanks for teaching us to buy things, my Gothic friend.

>>213494489
It did here.
>capped rents
>landlords have no power
>rental contracts are not time limited
>maintenance is performed by actual companies, not the landlord itself
You rarely see a Nordic person living at home with parents past the age of 20.
Meanwhile the rest of Europe..

>>213493343
>wanting your kids to become adults means you HATE them!
Why does everyone pretend to actually be stupid enough to fall for communist agitprop?
Everyone acts so subhuman now

Scandis truly dont suffer

>>213494545
>You rarely see a Nordic person living at home with parents past the age of 20.
that's more of a cultural trait than solely related to economy
you just have it hard to imagine that in other cultures people might simply WANT to live with their parents even if they have enough money to move out

>>213494545
our rent is fixed based on 'points' but the point-system was set by the liberals so it is 1. gimmickable 2. way too high anyway

>>213494526
>>213494534
Huh. Kinda cool we share words like that.
The Swedish word for "buy" is köpa. Came directly from Köping (you went to a köping to buy stuff).

>>213493299
>just rent a house in a suburb with roomates honestly

I did this and it was fun and everything, but economically speaking it was a dumb move, especially with the current price of apartments today

When I was a student in uni (2014) I rented a room for 250€. Doable.
today in 2025 the same room is divided between two beds and each of them cost 350€ + gas water and electricity. And the house now has twice the occupants as before. I'm. No commie sympathizer but house owners who does this (I know women of them and they're all retarded boomers that jubilated when they were 60) should be hanged.

At that point, it just makes more sense to stay with your parents for a while and save some money, then buy, but alas even the prices for buying are horribly inflated and horrible apartments filled with cracks on the wall goes for no less than 280.000€ here.

>>213494291
They don't have to mention it as a kitchen, but you're paying €100/month for that tiny sink alone

>>213493299
I will NEVER ever share my living space with other random people. Nothing made me feel more miserable and like such a failure. I would rather keep living with my mother until I'm 45

>>213494545
>maintenance is performed by actual companies, not the landlord itself
Who pays said companies for the maintenance though?

>>213494632
>100eur freezer and fridge
>pay 100eur extra p/m
this point system is retarded man. 0 seats for VVD

>>213494293
I live with my gf. The rent is 25% of our combined income
Rent is still too much

>>213494600
>the same room is divided between two beds
fuck that
thats where i draw a line
i can share a house thats large enough you know big garden living room sometimes i dont even see my roomie for days but sharing a room ?
FUCK THAT

>>213494408
Since last year we have that system too that landlords should only ask a certain amount for the property based on a points system. Most of the landlords ignore it because there is still someone that will pay the much higher price anyway because there is not enough housing. If you want a fair price for where you live according to the law you need to force it, almost go to court for it.

>>213494653
The landlords companies.
I should probably have mentioned that our "landlords" aren't like some balding due who lives in the building. It's all HUGE companies that own thousands of apartments in entire areas, sometimes in multiple cities.
Companies like Vasakronan, Hembla. Stena Property, Hyresbostäder, HSB, Castellum, Akelius, and Balder. And more.
You never rent from normal people unless you're in a really bad spot here, everyone rents from within the system (aka the big companies).
And they are forced by law to provide maintenance, upkeep, government capped rents (they cannot randomly raise it etc) and so on.
So you're never gonna worry here about some landlord fucking you over. They are the ones who get fucked over by the government.

>>213494674
>Rent is still too much
nah, you just have it too good and your expectations are too high

>>213494746
>They are the ones who get fucked over by the government.
so why do they still run this business instead of selling all these apartments and investing in unregulated Anglo-Saxon markets instead?

>>213494545
>10 year housing que
im not sold on your housing system, i rather have market value prices
>rent will always be monthly mortgage cost + profit so its cheaper to buy
>this is an incentive to buildt housing because there is money to make from it and a demand
>you being somewhat forced to buy early on will greatly benefit you later in life when you want to buy an actual house

>>213494746
>They are the ones who get fucked over by the government.
This is very true. My dad rented out some apartments and one of them had a fucked up druggie.
It was almost impossible to get her evicted despite her not paying rent and other shit.

>>213494674
>hear the priviledged wealthy rich sex haver complain

>>213494662
Fuck vvd. I live in a new build and my landlord is fully abusing the points system
On the ground floor of the building there is a shared kitchen and a bathroom which counts towards my points even though I never used that ground floor toilet. My kitchen counter is a few cm too long and adds extra points. In the bathroom I have a huge sink with 2 taps which is also extra points. I can't even ask for lower rent because the contract was made before 1st of july 2024 when this points system was introduced
Meanwhile my service costs and rent go up by €100 every year

>>213494795
Because they still make a fortune.
>>213494803
Yeah but you also earn a fuckload more money than we do.

>>213492948 (OP)
My parents actually own an apartment I could move out to, but why would I do that when I can live with them, get food from mum and all the chores done and we also get rent from the apartment?

>>213494777
>>213494831
Ok yes I am privileged but it doesn't feel like it because I am still paying too much for everything and am not left with much after every month. I am supposed to have a high household income yet it doesn't feel that way because everything goes to tax and rent

>>213494830
on the other hand, discouraging individual investors from investing in the real estate and introducing new obstacles slows down housing construction which, with increased immigration, contributes to housing shortage which cannot be relieved with any kind of pro-tenant law at some point

>>213494803
and the best part
>buy a house when your first kid comes
>dont need all the space so rent out basement first 5 years
>thats 60k of your mortgage paid off
>same when you retire and kids have moved out, thats 12k/year extra pension

>>213494214

Wait till I tell my friend that'spaying 500€ per month for a room in the city that a dude in sweden is paying less than him for an entire flat, lmao
But yeah that's the good thing when you have a lot of space and land. You live in the countryside?

>>213494279
>>213494446

Living with flatmates is really not that bad. You can be unlucky and find psycho, sure, but then you can just ignore them, tell them they're weirdos or in the worst case complain with the landlord, we did that with a guy from Tuscany who was constantly drunk, smelled like a corpse and would spend his day sleeping on the couch. Or you could get lucky and meet real bros, and even girls. It's absolutely not a bad experience, In fact lived in a shared apartment helped me with my mild autism and gave me a lot of self esteem

go back to r/polska, normal people don't rent here literally everyone has their own apartment

>>213494872
>because everything goes to tax and rent
you said it's just 25%, assuming your combined household income is 8k, you're still left with 6k after paying the rent, no idea how you can feel like you're 'not left with much'

>>213494913
Tax is 50%. 75% goes to tax and rent
Do you see why I am struggling?

>>213494901
>You live in the countryside?
Like I said to another anon, I live in Linköping. 8th largest city in the country.

>>213494906
This. r/polaks have it hard to understand that they're just a small, unlucky minority yet they make so much unjustified fuss with their problems
if they were a truly sizable disenfranchised community, their beloved lefties with "house is a right, not a good" would score 50% in elections, not 5%.

>>213494836
i signed a new contract for my room. It is 120eur more than the guy that already had a contract next door :(

>>213494936
why do you even tell us the gross amount then? it's kinda obvious you should use net wage when speaking of salaries here, unless you need to inflate the number to feel better about yourself

>>213494803
>i rather have market value prices
If Sweden swapped to market value rent, like 50% of the country would become homeless over night.
My salary is dead on average and earn €2200 after taxes.

>>213494600
>I'm. No commie sympathizer

Why not?

>>213494697

Yes, I did that my last semester of uni and it was awful, I could never do it and after some months I fucked off. You need to have some kind of privacy in your house, we aren't chicken.

>>213494861
I hope you all die in a fire

>>213494991
I really don't understand what the government is seeing in this. Rents going up every year but salaries barely. At some point rent will literally be too high to pay, higher than most salaries. What are they going to do then?

>>213495042
don't blame him, blame your parents so they conceived you while being poor themselves

>>213494994
I'm working on a new legal structure that can lower the taxes. I don't know yet how much net income it will bring this year

>>213495000
your market price would obviously reflect your income.
it would also mean housing units would start getting buildt everywhere. even a single man with some land could get the loans and permits to build apartments or small houses for sale because it would be zero risk for the bank, it will be sold. no one wants to wait 10 years if they could just buy it upfront instead.

>>213495206
Yeah well good luck telling the government that.
Plenty of countries where rent does not match the income, not even close.
And you don't need to wait 10 years unless you just must live in the nicest area of Stockholm.
I got my place after two years and never had to worry about it since.

>>213495206
it always feels weird to me when i see westoids speaking about houses like an asset, not just a place to live

>>213492948 (OP)
You sound like a drama queen. Did your parents have it any better?
In commie times, my mom was living at some office dorm with a roommate when she had me and she was 34. When the commie bullshit collapsed we moved back in with her mom. It wasn't until she was 40 when she managed to buy her first shitty little one room apartment in a commie block.
Meanwhile I bought my first apartment at 30 and am considering to buy land now.

>>213495304
im confused how does this even work? jobs, school, gf's, whatever life throws at you, you have to plan this years ahead? you dont just say
>fuck this im moving to kiruna and start working the mines
then you pack up and leave and find some rental online while driving there?
or the other way
>fuck lkab im moving to stockholm, today!
because thats basicly been my life up to the first time i bought housing. totally random and unplanned, decisions made at a whim. its been a hell of a ride. rented 8 different places in total.

>>213495328
We don't here in Sweden. Homes are something we buy to live in, selling only comes into play when we need to move.

>>213492948 (OP)
>they became goods
and what are they exactly?
assets?

>>213495409
>im confused how does this even work?
You're always in the queue. And yes, if you're gonna do something as drastic as move across the country you have to plan in advance. Even if you're rich and can afford to buy a place.
First you need to find a job, that alone is gonna take time. Then find a place to stay, rent or buy.
Swedes don't just do things on a whim. Maybe Norwegians are completely different, I don't know.

What I can say is that most people remain in the queues for most of their lives. I'm in several. I can move pretty quickly if I need to since I have been in the queues for years already while living in my current place.

If you wanna be a crackhead and move around every week here you're stuck with renting privately. But your wallet better be thick as fuck and you gotta be ready to be fucked over since private landlords are the worst.

>>213495409
>im confused how does this even work? jobs, school, gf's, whatever life throws at you, you have to plan this years ahead?
Yep. Your lifestyle would not work here. It's that simple. It's not that complicated.

>>213495121
sorry but 18-30yo are too small a voting block. housing prices must increase and wages decrease goy
>>213495348
yes my parents had it much better. They got a house with 3 floors and attic for 20% of ONLY my dad's wage

>>213495348
You fail to realize that modern eastern European zoomers don't compare themselves to their parents but to western European zoomers, because they live in the western media bubble, and they don't give a shit that their living standards are 1000x better than those of their parents, when they feel like they're 2x worse than those of westoids. They think that they deserve to live on the same level like Dutch or Swedish zoomers just because they are white and blonde, disregarding all the history, recent economic development and so on.

>>213495328
>a place to live
a cardboard box under a bridge is that.
everything above that is an asset. you put money into it, you want it to last, you dont right here and now know that this is the place you want to live the rest of your life and if you have to sell it to buy something else you dont want your money gone, preferably you have put some effort into maintendance and modernizing so you get a bit of profit.
housing isnt like cars, no matter how you love and maintain your passat 1,9tdi it will die. an apartment or house can be made to stand for hundreds of years. its an asset you can live in.

>>213495572
>dutch zoomers
Did you not read my post? This country is hell for zoomers. I am going to be 60k+EUR in debt in 5 years paying off mr Epstein's mortgage meanwhile the rich get richer and the migrants get priority housing

>>213495569
>They got a house with 3 floors and attic for 20% of ONLY my dad's wage
Nowadays 2 fully timed employed people can't even afford that or they get outpriced by a corporation

>>213495508
>>213495560
sad and grim. i lived in 5 different places/villages in norway as far as 900km apart. i just took the jobs i could find, packed my very limited belongings in my car and left. it was shite jobs and some pretty shite rentals but i got around, better than spending my younger years stuck in the same shithole. and the sex... norther girls cant stop fucking southron cock they all want you to take them with you back south. lol, i didnt...

It's customary for parents here to give up their homes for their children and retire to a cottage or a farmhouse after they stop working, plus they start to save up for their kids' future homes as soon as they are born.
Fuck college funds, make sure your kid can own a home right after he or she is born, it will set him up for life better than any degree. I did some meme jobs for like 5 years after high school to get half the money I needed for a house, the other half was provided by my parents. And we're not rich assholes, both of my parents are middle class people, they just simply realized the best way to give me a healthy head start is to make sure I never have to enslave myself at a corporate hellhole just so I can own a basic human necessity. The family home will go to my brother when they retire, since I already got my fair share.
Never fall for the Le Importante Educatión meme, Wanna make sure your bloodline will continue and your progeny will flourish? Make sure they have a place that no one can take away from them. I will do the same when I have kids of my own, I'll start saving up for their future homes and when I grow old I'll retire to a bungalow in the country so they can inherit my place.

>>213495738
Anon, I met my gf when I still lived in a 26 sqm studio. We both lived in that little box for almost three years until we got enough points to move into a bigger place just down the street.
Everything we do is planned, have been for the last decade since we met.
We don't even own a car.

I want to have kids in the future. If I buy a house with enough space for kids I need to somehow get a €700k mortgage MINIMUM. That amount is going up by 5% every year so by the time I have enough money to get a mortgage it will literally be too high to get one. I will be a rentcuck for the rest of my life.
Minimum wage needs to be €80/hour if salaries match housing costs

>>213495738
Sorry but your lifestyle is like my worst nightmare.
I like my city. I hate traveling. The only good part of traveling is coming back home to my familiar place again kek. I want as little change as possible in my life.

>>213495963
i still regard my childhood home at my parents as Home. its just not a place i like to stay at, its the safe haven i return to now and then. its always gonna be there, no matter how far i go its within 15h drive or an hour or more of flight and my childhood room is there, untouched.

>>213496189
And I like staying where I am.

>>213492948 (OP)
prices here are going up because a lot of people need to launder their money with the switch to the euro, and real estate is the easiest way. 30% of our gdp is hidden in the gray economy

>>213495604
>hell for zoomers
>just 25% of household income for rent of a huge apartment brah
you just have no idea what life looks like in eastern Europe

>>213496301
why? tism?
i got functional tism, i know that the longer i stay at one place the harder it gets to leave. this has made me kinda restless, because i dont want to live my entire life in one place, i deliberately de-homed myself and accepted my life as an aragorn with a car. my home was everywhere, my job as a traveling tradie for the last 10 years only solidified this. i got my childhood home but as long as i got a bag of clothes, my phone and my car with a full tank and a fishing rod i can be home anywhere including on the road.

>>213496708
No tism as far as I know. Most people I know are like myself. Ever heard the saying "Borta bra men hemma bäst"? It very much applies to a huge chuck of the population.

>>213496994
>chuck
"chunk"

>>213496708
>>213495963
both based 2bh

>>213492948 (OP)
Turns out that bring millions of people into your country will drive the house market into overdrive.
Who would've thunk

>>213496994
you cant truly enjoy hemma unless you go borta. unironicly. and then when you return hemma you start to long back to borta. i for instance cannot get around the fact we dont have truly 24h daylight during summer at my latitude, having spendt a few summers with it its something i miss so much i consider buying a summer house up north. if i never left home i would be blissfully ignorant of this but my life would be lacking of this experience that actually improved my life.

>>213497118
You're blaming the wrong people for your problems. The elite created these problems on purpose to increase their wealth

>>213497234
who says you have to pick? you can hate the elites and shitskins at the same time

>>213497183
>and then when you return hemma you start to long back to borta
Yeah and you go on vacation for a couple weeks per year. That's more than enough for most.

>>213497312
or as i did during thoose years, vacation at home, rest of the year anywhere else.
its what most move out early fags do in this period of life, school, studies or internships is what send them away from home and they spend time off going back home.

>>213497488
I only knew one person like you and he was the worst ADHD individual I have ever met. Never sat still, always running around.
Both of you're are like an alien species to me. I will never understand you.

>>213493805
based crypto bro
imagine missing out crypto boom. its like being a boomer and missing out 10k usd mansions in USA

>>213492948 (OP)
most everyone i know moved out after finishing secondary school and going to university at age 18-19.

>>213493343
because our families are white

>>213497521
dont tell me someone from gaddede or åsele never once spend a year or 4 outside of their hometown? can you even get a basic education like electrican there?

>>213494651
This.

>>213497654
I don't know. Like 10% of the population lives up there in the north. But I know alcoholism, unemployment and suicide is bad up there.
The remaining 90% of us all live here in the south.

>>213496704
>just 25% of household income for rent of a huge apartment brah
stop making things up retard

I agree shit is fucked, especially having to even have neighbors and no yard or privacy. But I managed to grab a spacious apartment in an old renovated house, brand new inside, total rooms 8 and currently nobody else on the second floor besides me, and below just some old people and one family with a kid. No pets allowed. Outside storage space included. Building has an attic and basement I guess we could use if needed. Has a spacious private yard. Nobody really lives around because it's rented for the summer and is dead quiet otherwise. It's on a quiet street by the sea, no reason to even go this way unless you live there. All this for €500 a month. Area is fully white too. I'd honestly love to own land and my own cottage but it's a concept for now. This will suffice.

>>213497654
>dont tell me someone from gaddede or åsele never once spend a year or 4 outside of their hometown?
How the fuck would they afford that kek? Have you seen those places?

>>213493318
has to do a lot with how a son will just add a floor to a house then another one will raise the attic and make an apartment making it a family home with 3 apartments.

it sucks really but its cheap and our people would rather have 2 bmws on lease than their own yard and not have to fight with your 70 year old parents every day.

>>213497839
>Area is fully white too.
Is there any place in estonia that isn't? and what kind of nonwhites do you get? Jeets?

>>213497760
more like 20% and that makes 2 000 000 swedes living in bumfuck nowhere places, thats a not ignorable number. with more accurate statistics that number would probably be closer to 50%. if you live in a comfy rural place down south you might still be an hour or more from any usefull uni or big city and then its eitther waste thoose hours commuting or maybe move closer.

>>213497859
yes many times and they dont have to afford it, its sweden ffs not usa.

>>213493299
>move out of your parents house to go live with 6 jeets in a cramped HMO
I think you smoked too much pot during your NEET years.

>>213498081
So... How are they gonna leave their home for a year or more without money?
You do realize you won't get any welfare money if you're out traveling and stuff right? They sure as shit won't pay for hotels or help you move.

>>213493299
>just rent with loser crackhead roommates in the part of the city filled with niggers who shoot eachother to death over trivial shit everyday
I don't think I will

>>213498140
you dont get student money? student loans? student housing subsidies?
and whats the option? stay in the shithole with no jobs or move somewhere there actually is jobs and money even if its rock bottom jobs like logging, road service or mining?

>>213497808
you said it yourself

>>213497281
based

>>213492948 (OP)
Look at me. I am Med now.

>>213497654
Jokkmokk born and raised here.
I went to university in Luleå. Closest one to me. Had to wait a year so I could get a dorm room because commuting with the bus would be like six hours everyday.

I looked into universities in the rest of Sweden but dorms had like 1500-3000 students waiting for a student flat/room everywhere and I didn't wanna wait until my 30's to get educated.

>>213498236
>you dont get student money?
>>student loans?
Picrel.
>student housing subsidies?
Picrel.

Good luck finding a student apartment even if you take out a loan.

>>213495604
>I am going to be 60k+EUR in debt
So? How is that a problem when you have 30 years to pay that shit off. Your monthly increment will be less than any rent payment.
Do you know how the rich keep getting richer? Because on paper they actually own nothing due to living in perpetual debt. They borrow money to spend on appreciating assets so they can make more money to buy more assets and then use those as leverage to borrow yet more money. The dumbest thing about zoomers is they're afraid of debt, when they should be using it as a tool.

>>213498236
Even if they get a student loan there's no place for them to live.

https://www.sverigesradio.se/artikel/sweden-still-suffering-from-shortage-of-student-housing

>>213498513
this, being in debt is how you get rich. Hoarding paper money makes you actually poorer because they print them faster than you can earn them.

>>213495348
my mom married when she was 25, she popped a baby immediately (my sister) and then my parents got an apartment from the state for free (it was around 1985)
then they traded the apartment with some old lady for a bigger one because she was living alone and didn't need it
and when communism collapsed in 1990 my parents bought the apartment from the state for ridiculous money, like 100 USD or something

>>213498017
I kean it's mostly Estonian white, Russians are here and there and they do act differently. Some foreigners in Tallinn, take out the few tourists and there's a couple Africans here but say in a year I've seen maybe 2 or 3. There's a couple jeet restaurants but I don't really see them outside. Most foreign residents are Georgian, Armenia or similar, and they all speak Russian. Everyone seems to learn Estonian with time.

>>213492948 (OP)
Just genocide the political and boomer class in minecraft bro, it's not that hard

>>213492948 (OP)
are young people in western euro and nordics that wealthy?

>>213499809
no they get kicked out to become a rentoid slave to some landlord

>>213499844
this, and only way to get out is to take a massive loan

>>213492948 (OP)
just move out and apply for neetbux

>>213498322
>>213498464
>>213498575
>rely on housing system
>there is nowhere for students to live since no one rents out privately
sounds like your system sucks a bit?

It's embarrassing guys

>>213492948 (OP)
banking scammers have to somehow make money out of your hide might as well be the housing market

>>213493997
How do you draw lines™? I actually lived in Paris (okay, not in Paris proper, but just outside périphérique), my flatmate for the first couple of years was a partially deaf-mute person, with obvious social issues arising therefrom. Average Frenchoid could maybe understand 70% of what he was saying, I could understand maybe 40%. Last year it was some mal-baisées girls, who would complain about every single thing in the flat. They made a WhatsApp group and would flip out and film a 5 minute video about minor things like rubbish bin lid (mind you, the one for paper, so there was no stink issue at hand) wasn't fully closed, was pure hell.

>>213492948 (OP)
What's the point of living separately? It's expensive