On a scale from 1(it's not over) to 10(it's over) how over is it for them?

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>>213506565 (OP)
They are slowly waking up, I have a sliver of hope

>>213506895
waking up to a nightmare not from it mleccha lel

>>213506565 (OP)
11

>>213506565 (OP)
Another thread crying about immigrants?

But I’m honestly curious.... when you kick them all out, who exactly is going to do the crap jobs no one else wants?

You think little white kids are gonna start driving delivery vans, scrubbing toilets, working the late shift at Lidl, or wiping old people's asses in care homes? Be serious. What’s the plan? mass-produce obedient robots? And who's gonna have the kids, too? Them again?

>>213506565 (OP)
Strong 8 to light 9

>>213507817
>You think little white kids are gonna start driving delivery vans, scrubbing toilets, working the late shift at Lidl, or wiping old people's asses in care homes?
Yes?
Lots of shitskins don't work too

I honestly cannot fathom how much more our British cousins will tolerate.

>>213506565 (OP)
How can we help them in their hour of need?

>>213507817
>You think little white kids are gonna start driving delivery vans, scrubbing toilets, working the late shift at Lidl, or wiping old people's asses in care homes?
indians and pakis don't do any of these jobs, so why don't we just ban all jeets and let the rest come

>>213507817
>if you don't import a billion jeets... no one will do le work
When will this meme end, the reason no one wants those jobs is that they pay like shit because of greedy bosses

we'll become something closer to northern ireland on a larger scale than brazil or singapore or some other ill-fitting comparison

>>213507874
Maybe before blaming others, it's worth checking how many jobless "shitskins" there actually are among the immigrant communities themselves.
At least most immigrants risk everything to work the crappy jobs nobody else wants and they even have the kids to keep the future going. what excuse is left for those who criticize them?

>>213507986
Lol, funny how some anons say Indians and Pakis don't do the dirty jobs like driving vans or cleaning toilets, yet they're literally the backbone of the UK's service economy.

They're delivering your parcels, stacking your Lidl shelves, cleaning hospitals, and yeah, paying for the NHS you all love to moan about.
Meanwhile, most of the native kids are busy scrolling through TikTok or complaining about woke culture instead of picking up a mop

>government implements reasonable age restrictions
>AHHH THIS COUNTRY IS FALLING APART OMG THIS IS LITERALLY 1984 EVEN THOUGH ITS 2025
overreaction final boss vro

>>213508183
>they're literally the backbone of the UK's service economy.
indians and pakistanis together make up 5% of the population of the UK

>>213506565 (OP)
8.5
Not totally over but it will be soon (5years or so).

>>213508544
By "they" I obviously mean immigrants in general — not just South Asians.
From Eastern Europeans working warehouses and supermarkets to Africans and Middle Easterners in care homes and kitchens, immigrants are holding up the whole damn system.
If they all disappeared tomorrow, good luck getting your groceries, riding a bus, or even finding a nurse at A&E

>>213507817
>You think little white kids are gonna start driving delivery vans, scrubbing toilets, working the late shift at Lidl, or wiping old people's asses in care homes?
Who exactly do you think did these jobs before 20-30 years ago?

>>213508686
Mercenary roaches trying to get the final scraps from a collapsing system

>>213506565 (OP)
Joever/10

>>213507817
Most of 4chinners are bitter incels who never have had a job. They don't understand economics. Of course these armchair economists will tell you otherwise; however it's very easy to notice their bullshit because these losers brag about how they work as "software engineers" and make 6 digit figures, in the same identical manners and with the same copy-pasted stories over and over again. You're talking to literal manbaby chuds and soon-to-be-trannies that constitute the bottom 10% of the populace. Don't even bother asking such questions unless you're intending on farming (You)s and have a good laugh.

>>213508814
If immigrants are just roaches picking up scraps, what does that make you?
Sitting around posting about collapse on imageboards while they're out actually working, paying taxes, and keeping services alive

You're not the victim here. You're the deadweight.

>>213508801
Mate, 30 years is literally a generation. Back then, your parents' generation still had enough numbers, economic pressure, and fewer options to take up those jobs

Now? The birthrate's tanked, everyone's got a degree in gender studies, and you think little Liam is gonna clean shit off hospital floors for minimum wage?

Immigrants weren't brought in just because they were brought in because the local labor pool won't and can't fill the gaps anymore

>>213508283
>just upload your ID, we totally won't store your data on an easily leakable database heehee

>>213509104
>Immigrants weren't brought in just because they were brought in because the local labor pool won't and can't fill the gaps anymore
Immigrants were brought in because they drive down the cost of wages, which is a massive boon to the corporate interests that run this country. If the UK only accepted enough immigrants to fill the gaps in the labour market, we wouldn't have hundreds of thousands of jeets zipping around on deliveroo bikes and living 8 men to a house.

>>213508987
Yes, I will continue being deadweight in this faggot system to accelerate its collapse. And you're not fooling anyone, jeet

All of Europe is over.

>>213509104
They don't do anything of value, all the pakis here seem to do is open those weird burger and pizza shops that basically exist to launder criminal money. All the legitimate businesses still hire white people because pakis are useless at everything.

>>213507817
We already have a Hibernian underclass to do all of that, the new regime will just restrict their rights a bit more so they do the paki jobs simples

>>213509170
>leakable
Leaked. t. civil servant

>>213509261
You're missing the point entirely.

Immigrants weren't just brought in to "slash wages" they came because your average local simply won't take those jobs anymore. You can meme about "jeets on bikes" all you want, but someone still needs to deliver your late night kebab, clean up piss at the hospital, restock shelves at 2AM, and care for your dying nan.

If you really think this was just about corporate greed, explain why those same companies can't fill these positions without immigrants even now. The truth is: the local labour pool shrank, aged, and gave up on low status work. So immigrants stepped in and picked up the slack.

Be real. THEY are holding up the country you're just whining online

>>213506565 (OP)
It's just begun

>>213507817
>who exactly is going to do the crap jobs no one else wants?
ENTER

>>213509390
I've said it many times, but I'm not just talking about Pakistanis, Talking about all immigrants

>>213509390
Why are you still replying to an obvious jeet?

>>213507817
We don't want slaves. People will work the jobs they need to survive. I've cleaned bathrooms and worked in factories. My cousin works in a care home. My mum has worked as a cleaning lady

>>213509691
Pakistanis, indians and africans make up the bulk of the immigration and they're all totally useless. We rarely get good quality migrants these days. Hilarious in retrospect that people used to complain about there being too many Poles when Poles were at least useful and their worst trait was they drank a lot.

>>213509733
That's admirable. At least you're one of the pillars holding this country up. So you must understand the struggles immigrants face as well. Don't hate them. Whether you like it or not, you have to live together now. Without them, who's going to drive the buses, stock the shelves, deliver your groceries, or care for the elderly?

>>213509781
It's funny how you single out Pakistanis while ignoring the real facts

Sure, every community has its bad apples, but blaming an entire group for criminal activity is just lazy scapegoating. And the idea that "white people only get the good jobs" is a myth, immigrants fill roles that many locals refuse to do.

The truth is, the UK's economy depends on these immigrants, whether you like it or not. Poles may have drunk a lot, but they worked hard, and so do many Pakistanis and others. Maybe instead of complaining, it's time to acknowledge their contribution.

>>213509568
Jeets on bikes isn't a meme when almost every single Deliveroo driver is a recently arrived foreigner, whereas most people who work in the NHS and supermarkets are British born citizens.
>If you really think this was just about corporate greed, explain why those same companies can't fill these positions without immigrants even now.
I went on a job searching site just now and typed in "care home worker" into the search field. Most of the jobs that came up pay around £14-£16 per hour where I live in Central London.
The reason why they struggle to find native people to fill these positions is because they pay ridiculously low wages. Low-skilled immigrants are a cheap source of labour who are usually in more desperate situations and thus will accept lower wages, lower living standards, and higher rental costs, even if it means that they live horrible lives in cramped HMOs.

It is entirely about corporate interests and profit motives, and to suggest otherwise is profoundly ignorant.

>>213510018
I don't know how anyone can use shit like deliveroo regularly. I used uber eats once and was greated by a picture of some purple aki, rape you in prison tier black man who was going to come right to my house and know where I live. Luckily he rejected my order and instead I got a pakistani man who had his wife in the car with him for some reason.

>>213508065
A quarter of Somali immigrants in Scotland are in prison. A sixth of all Albanian immigrants in Scotland are in prison. A sixth of all Vietnamese immigrants in Scotland are in prison.

>>213510018
Then wouldn't it be better to blame the your govt rather than blame immigrants?

immigrants don't just accept lower wages, they often take on work that requires long hours, physical stamina, or social challenges that many locals avoid. Without them, essential services like care homes, supermarkets, and delivery wouldn't function properly.

Maybe some companies exploit this situation, but blaming immigrants ignores the bigger problem, a broken labor market and political failure to improve wages and conditions.

>>213509842
They can go and struggle in their own countries instead

>>213510179
We do blame the government. But the people who come here while we're struggling are not the best people. Other countries dump their unwanted on us, and they end up filling our prisons

>>213510129
Funny how you're so concerned about crime now, but silent when corporations exploit cheap immigrant labor to keep your Deliveroo meals under £10

Keep blaming immigrants instead of asking why your glorious native lads won't scrub toilets or wipe old people's asses for £9/hour.

>>213510364
We blame the government all the time. They're traitors. I want them in the tower of London ready to receive a headsman's axe. If we seem silent, it's because you're not interested enough to listen

>>213510308
Brits do it to themselves. I work as a speech therapist and looked into moving to the UK for my then GF. The restrictions were insane even though it is on the list as a highly needed specialty. Funnily enough I could have easily worked as a seasonal strawberry picker or some meme shit. The immigration system keeps out ytpipo.

Ignore the microdick avatarfag
We are all on this together. Remove every cell of the brown biomass that has infested Britain and kill this disgusting globalist and ultra-liberal complot once and for all for the good of all of Europe

>>213510179
>a broken labor market and political failure to improve wages and conditions.
We've been voting for less immigration for 20 years. The problem is the fact that the government wont carry out the will of the public.

When we voted for brexit the mood was "we'll be poorer and things will get more expensive, but that is preferable to becoming a bastard state".

We're not blind nor are we ignorant, we understand the ramifications of these decisions. But the government(s) haven't given a shit for as long as i've been alive and just keep importing them at tax payer expense.

>>213510099
I only ever used Deliveroo once, since it was 50% off on my order the first time I signed up for it. The driver got lost finding my house, and the bags he handed me were weirdly moist. Never again.
>>213510179
>Then wouldn't it be better to blame the your govt rather than blame immigrants?
Yes, it's the reason why the British population has become increasingly dissatisfied with sucessive governments over the past 30 years. The population in general has consistently voted for lower immigration, but this has never been delivered on.
People dislike immigrants for a number of different reasons, but most people blame the government for allowing this to happen (or continue to happen).
>immigrants don't just accept lower wages, they often take on work that requires long hours, physical stamina, or social challenges that many locals avoid. Without them, essential services like care homes, supermarkets, and delivery wouldn't function properly.
There could potentially be a reduced service in these industries, but the numbers don't support anything close disaster, as you keep suggesting. For example, 19% of people who work in the retail sector (e.g. supermarkets) were born outside of the UK, but 16% of the current population of the UK was born outside of the country. Without immigration, we'd either have slightly fewer staff in supermarkets or the wages would be slightly higher.
>Maybe some companies exploit this situation,
All big businesses exploit this situation, and it's one of the major reasons why UK wage growth in so many industries has been stagnant for 15+ years.
There is a reason why both the Labour and Conservative governments (supposedly, in theory, left wing and right wing) will not reduce immigration to more manageable levels, and it's because both parties are under immense pressure from corporate interests to keep wages low for low-skilled labour.

>>213507817
These people don't understand because they don't actually interact with the world.
We lost massive crops of fruit after brexit because there was nobody willing to do the fruit picking after we kicked the Romanians and Poles out.

>>213510452
So you're worried about Pakistanis, Somalis, or Albanians filling your prisons, but here's a better question

>"Where are the British born offenders in your stats?"

According to government data, white British offenders actually have the highest reoffending rate (around 25.1%), whereas Asian ethnic groups reoffend at a lower rate (about 19.6%)

Foreign nationals make up about 12% of prisoners, which is roughly in line with their share of the population (about 11~13%)

So after all that, turns out white British offenders are reoffending more than the groups you're complaining about. Still feel like blaming migrants makes sense?

>>213510886
>B-b-b-but our cotton pickers!
Fuck off you champagne socialist.

>>213510986
Britain's always had a problem with native povvos
It has always been THE biggest problem, in fact.

>>213511026
The faux stutter, you stuck in 2010? That's always been a telltale sign of someone out of arguments and frothing mad with rage.
Fish around for some more labels and you might even get one right!

>>213510461
Yes, the government is to blame

>>213506565 (OP)
0, Britain is fine. Poorfag chavs are just crying because they're being exposed as complete deadweight to our great nation.

>>213506565 (OP)
They will soon be partitioned as England, Wales, Scotland, Northumberland, Norn Iron (annexed by Ireland, Scilly, Man and Orkney (annexed by Norway), Anglo-Normandia and St. Helena (annexed by France), Gibraltar (annexed by Spain) and Malvinas-Sandwich (annexed by Argentina)

>>213507817
Who does them in South Korea? Genuinely curious? Here it's jeets and africans

>>213510986
>Foreign nationals make up about 12% of prisoners
What about "native" non-whites? White/White British are 82% of the population but 71% of incarcerated people (offensive tweets, lol). Blacks are 3× as likely to be in prison

>>213510886
>Some harvest was lost due to lack of workforce during Brexit so that's why we need a constant influx of migrants from outside of Europe or else we will starve to death
You can literally buy food from other countries too, you know that
In fact if you didn't spend millions keeping migrants in prisons, housing them, offering them healthcare and giving them free shit you could probably use that money to feed every british person and more

It's like for some of you migrants are only a net positive for the economy and don't cost anything, while in reality the average inmigrant that enters the UK costs more wealth than it generates

>>213510765
Look, you guys don't want to do those tough jobs, and you're barely having kids either. So what do you expect? The government isn't just supposed to stand by and watch the country collapse

Because locals avoid hard work and aren't replacing the population fast enough, immigrants fill those gaps. Don't just blame the government blindly.
And don't pretend those cheap prices at the deli or supermarkets magically happen on their own immigrants keep those costs down by taking on the jobs no one else wants.

>>213510653
You say "we've been voting for less immigration for 20 years!!" and blame the govt for not carrying out the public's will. But it's not just about votes or slogans.

Govt have to balance economic needs with public opinion, and the fact is that without immigrants, many essential sectors would collapse.
People avoid hard jobs and aren't having enough kids to replace the workforce, so immigrants are the only ones stepping in.

Before blaming the govt as the scapegoat, remember, you've set so many fires yourselves that there's now a shortage of water. The govt is just borrowing water from neighboring towns to keep the flames from spreading further.

Rich country but no population growth means number of consoomers to buy your trinkets isn't steadily increasing as the average person doesn't need multiple cars, iphones etc. This is of course le bad as that means that the excess wealth of the population is either saved for the future or invested into long term projects like housing, improvement of living standards etc instead of going into the pockets of you, transnational megacorp (tm). So what you gonna do? Easy, just buy officials and lobby forvmass migration, Ngubu can't buy shit in Africa but transplant him into the West, now he'll get gibs and can buy the latest iPhone. Native population that dared to defy you by not continously shitting out more and more consoomers gets punished, their wealth distributed to the new imported consoomers, and your line goes up. Total shareholder victory
>modern economy explained

>>213511494
Please kill yourself you braindead moron, I'm done with your baits

I can't wait for you koreanic chinks to finally get a taste of this neverending influx of low IQ migrants who couldn't fit in or integrate into a country's culture in a million years. Once the tsunami of indians comes knocking at your country's borders you will wish the japanese exterminated all of you when they had the chance. I hope you're the first one to experience it too, and you will because it because your cocks are so small you can't even seem to reproduce so according to you you'll need the workforce of mentally deficient thirdies to pick up some oranges.

I just wonder what your opinion will be once you can't even afford a 20m2 apartment because there are already 30 bangladeshis, 20 indonesians, 40 indians and 50 filipinos living in it. You'll wish you could work picking up oranges too even though that job wouldn't be able to afford you even a pissed on cardboard box to live in anymore.

>>213511960
Dude.... Your insults and hate don;t change the facts

Immigration is a complex issue with economic and social dimensions. Migrants contribute significantly to the workforce, filling essential roles that locals often avoid.

For exmaple, even thanks to them, services like Deliveroo and supermarket jobs stay cheap and running which keeps your groceries and takeout affordable. But nah, you just scream "I hate immigrants!!!" without seeing the bigger picture. What, you some kind of toddler????

>>213512124
Considering the current situation in South Korea I can tell you're from a well off family or a retard with a VPN

I already said everything I wanted to say

Feels quite over already. I think this is the danger of having such an overpowered central city (London). By sheer force of will and momentum they have simply overwhelmed national politics. It's like Chicago/Illinois but national.

>>213506565 (OP)
7. If they all woke up tomorrow and decided to hunt down every politician and foreigner they could save themselves, but it's not gonna happen. They're probably doomed

>>213506565 (OP)
Like a 9. There is a way out. The Irish showed us how to strike fear into politicos.

God bless this country. I love being able to drink my sorrows away without being judged.

>>213511659
So you think its OK for a government to promise things and then just not do them?

>>213511659
>Before blaming the govt as the scapegoat, remember, you've set so many fires yourselves that there's now a shortage of water.
>>213510179
>Then wouldn't it be better to blame the your govt rather than blame immigrants?

???
I'm not sure what your point is. Its almost like theres no point and you're just ragebaiting or something.

>>213512192
Rich kid or VPN user? That's the best you've got??
No facts, just vibes and xenophobia

You say you're done, but you never really started — just shouting "immigrants bad" while ignoring the data.

White British offenders actually have the highest reoffending rate, and foreign nationals make up about 12% of prisoners, which mirrors their population share. then where's the invasion?

Meanwhile, it's immigrants who are driving your buses, delivering your food, stocking your supermarket shelves, wiping your grandparents asses in care homes, and keeping your hospitals running.
Thanks to them, services like Deliveroo and supermarket jobs stay cheap and functioning — which keeps your groceries and takeout affordable even while wages stagnate.

But nah, none of that matters to you. You just cry "immigrants bad" like some toddler throwing a tantrum

Grow the hell up bro

>>213512394
Are you drunk rn

>>213512394

I admire the Irish rn. Literally just start mobbing up and burning down the invader camps they set up.

>>213512449
Is the footy on? Course I am!

>>213512411
Yeah... I get why that might seem contradictory, but I’m just being honest.

At first, I did think the govt deserved a fair share of the blame after all, they're the ones managing immigration policy. But the more I thought about it, the more it became clear that this whole situation didn't come out of nowhere. It's not like the govt woke up one day and just decided to "replace the natives" or whatever.

People don't want to do certain jobs, birth rates are low, and there is a constant demand for services. What was the govt supposed to do? Let the system collapse just to avoid being accused of bringing in immigrants????

So yeah after thinking it through, I changed my mind. It's not just on the govt. A lot of this mess was created by the people themselves, and now they're angry that someone else is filling the gaps they left behind.

That's not "ragebaiting" that':s just facing reality

>>213511494
You have begun to repeat your talking points from earlier, so I guess this discussion has come to a close.

I don't know what your background is, but if you work with real richfags for a living, you will come to understand that they are their own race. They have as much contempt for the white working class British as they do for the FOBs jeets and 70 IQ Africans, since we are all units of production to them, whose value is measured entirely in our economic output. "Lazy natives won't work" is a great narrative because not only does it fan the flames of ethnic tensions and create division amongst the low paid labour force, but it also creates a justification for continued wage suppression.
The function of the contemporary British government is to maintain market stability, since stability is the single most important factor for economic growth, and this is what the corporate interests who hold power in this country want. It's fair to blame the government since they do not act in the best interests of the people. In fact, it is better that they work towards controlling and placating the people rather than improving their lives (for a very recent example of this, see the OSA 2023 - a piece of legislation supported by both major political parties, and recently brought into effect by the current Labour government).

In any case, I struggle to imagination what the world will look like in another hundred years, since our economic system is inherently unstable and its stressors are only getting worse over time.

>>213512639
I get what you're saying about the "lazy natives" narrative being weaponized to justify wage suppression but here's the irony: the people yelling loudest about immigrants are usually the ones spreading that exact same narrative. They say immigrants "steal jobs," then turn around and admit they don't want to clean toilets or work in care homes

You can blame the system, sure, I do too. But if your critique starts and ends with hating immigrants, you're not fighting the system. You're doing its PR

>>213507817
It’s almost as if……. Salaries will have to increase to attract people to those jobs, how horrible!

Dumb gook cunt

>>213512431
>Supermarket jobs stay cheap
Is a bad thing. Salary dumping is a bad thing.

>>213512632


> lot of this mess was created by the people themselves, and now they're angry that someone else is filling the gaps they left behind.

You seem to view immigration as the only solution. There are others such as automation or encouraging native birth rates with things policy like tax rebates that have proven effective in nations like Denmark. Instead our government chose to do the thing that is incredibly short-sighted and not desirable for the majority of the population.

With all that in mind you think the British people, who consistently voted against immigration are at fault for immigration? Furthermore you think they're wrong for being angry at the government for not listening to them?
What?

You're clearly ragebaiting.

>>213512828
"muh Raise wages!"

Cool. So we raise wages and watch the prices of groceries, care homes, and basic services shoot up.
Then you'll cry about inflation, taxes, and "NOOOOOOO!!! immigrants making everything expensive!!!"

You complain about those workers, but without them, you wouldn't get the first world service you want

>>213513094
No I won’t, nobody does. Everyone prefers living in Norway and Switzerland where a pizza costs 20EUR over India where it costs 3EUR due to dogshit cheap labor.

Having a population that earns good money is preferable, unless you’re a megacorp or their asslicker (which you are).

Also post hand with timestamp, Poopesh.

>>213512991
I get that automation and encouraging higher birth rates are potential solutions, but these aren't quick fixes. Automation can't replace all the hands-on, physically demanding jobs overnight, and boosting birth rates is a long-term game that takes decades to impact the workforce. Meanwhile, the economy needs workers now, and that gap has to be filled somehow.

So yes, many Brits voted against immigration, but the reality is the government has to manage immediate labor shortages and keep essential services running.

Who will solve this? It's the immigrants
Even with this reality, do you still want to blame the government? Or can you even do that?

>>213513094
bowtie cuck

>>213506565 (OP)
Strong 8. They still have a chance, but it might be the last.

>>213513255
Look, everyone wants good wages and nice things. But someone has to do the hard, low-paid jobs like delivering food, working in supermarkets, and taking care of old people. These jobs aren't fun and not many people want to do them.

Countries like Norway or Switzerland have smaller populations and different systems, so they can pay more. It's not just about cheap workers. It's about making sure things work.

If you hate big companies, that's one thing. But blaming immigrants without seeing the whole picture is unfair, NO it's fool

>>213513343

>>213513295
>Meanwhile, the economy needs workers now, and that gap has to be filled somehow.
The idea then is that immigrants should be a stop-gap and the government should encourage birth rates as a long-term solution. But they haven't done this. There is no long-term solution other than keep importing people. Which again, native brits never wanted.

Again we go back to the main question. Why do you think its acceptable for the government to promise less immigration for over 20 years and yet increase it constantly? During the last election it was the main issue and yet nothing is being done.

If the point of a democracy is to ensure in large part the democratic will of the people is carried out, especially on topics as important as this one to most brits, and yet the political class can just decide they're going to ignore, for whatever reason, what the people want then whats the point of a democracy at all?

If you think the government is right for ignoring the will of the people on this then you also need to coincide that democracies are literally pointless.

>>213513662
I get that people feel betrayed when promises aren't kept, especially on immigration. But blaming the govt alone ignores the bigger picture. If native birth rates were high enough to fill low-paid, tough jobs like care home workers, delivery drivers, and supermarket staff that immigrants currently fill, immigration might not be necessary. But it's not.

So yes, the govt has a tough job balancing public opinion with economic realities.
Also simply saying democracy is pointless because of disagreement isn't the answer.

The real issue is that society needs to face the hard truths: low birth rates, labor shortages, and economic demands. I already mentioned it, but raising the birth rate isn't something that can happen overnight, and even if it does, it takes time to see results.

Sadly, For now, the reality is that the country must rely on immigrants to sustain itself

>>213513577
>>213514089
>Look, everyone wants good wages and nice things. But someone has to do the hard, low-paid jobs like delivering food, working in supermarkets, and taking care of old people.
>I get that people feel betrayed when promises aren't kept, especially on immigration. But blaming the govt alone ignores the bigger picture.
Hi chat gpt

>>213514152
Compliment or insult? Saying I sound like a chatbot... which is it?

(For reference, I only use papago translator)

>>213506565 (OP)
They get nothing more than what they deserve

>>213507817
you act there are zero whites doing any of those jobs right now too

>>213507817
>t. A literal Uber jeet in Korea.
Fuck off

>>213514411
No one said zero but look around, those jobs mostly aren't being done by natives anymore. That’s the point.

They are literally going through a process of rebirth. Oasis reunion will save Britain and the West

>>213506565 (OP)
Way beyond fucked, 10 can't describe how fucked they are.

>>213513255
>>213514440
he won't post hand because he's a literal pajeet lol

>>213514089
>But blaming the govt alone ignores the bigger picture.
No it doesn't.
Im' not just blaming the government at this point, im questioning *what* the government's purpose is and pointing out that it has by all metrics failed at its (promised) intended purpose.

I just explained to you that a policy could've been made 20 years ago to increase birthrates so even if i thought that we needed immigrants (which i don't for the record) the problem would've been largely solved by now. But again, No long-term plan other than "more immigrants = more better". The problem is this method is destroying social cohesion and causing constant riots, protests and ethnic conflict. There are protests going on right now, come to think of it.

And again, you seem to hold weird opinions like "its OK if the government ignored the populace for 20 years because line MUST go up".

>>213514706
Then if immigrants suddenly disappeared and you saw prices and taxes skyrocket, would you be ready to accept that?

NO YOU CAN'T

Criticizing the govt for ignoring public opinion is valid, but simply opposing immigration without offering viable alternatives may only make things worse

Why? complaining about immigration while refusing to do the hard work or have more children yourself is unrealistic. The govt is doing what it must to maintain stability and support the country. Blaming the govt without understanding these facts shows a lack of grasp on how society actually functions.

>>213510179
>why do you never blame the government?
>>213514089
>why are you blaming the government
Speaking out of both sides of your mouth just exposed you as someone not arguing in good faith. You only want more immigration, and you will contradict yourself to get it

>>213514692
I just like the erotic culture of original ancient Hinduism. The current Hinduism is actually a bastard child of Islam

>>213507817
Poles

>>213514920
I already wrote that my position on that has changed. See >>213512632

>>213514870
>Then if immigrants suddenly disappeared and you saw prices and taxes skyrocket, would you be ready to accept that?
Prices and taxes are already skyrocketing? There were several protests over taxes skyrocketing this year. Mainly the farmers protests.
If we need immigration to stop this then why is it still happening?

>but simply opposing immigration without offering viable alternatives may only make things worse
I just now offered two ways the government could've handled this without ignoring the will of the people.

>The govt is doing what it must to maintain stability and support the country.
Provably false. Last summer the country was far from "stable", the streets were full of rioters.

>>213506565 (OP)
UK fags will go to jail if they save this image, it's over for them. I used to be a massive anglophile but even I have started disliking their country. I wish they would become a proper, free, first world country again, but within my lifetime, it might already be too late for them to fix themselves

>>213514974
>I changed my mind
Yeah, halfway through a conversation because your original shaming tactic wasn't working. Tony Blair's speechwriter said that Blair's immigration policy was intended to open up the UK to mass immigration and run the right's nose in diversity.

>>213515323
ignore him hes ragebaiting

>>213515323
>run
*rub

>>213515130
First, prices and taxes are rising, but removing immigrants would only worsen the situation. Immigration helps keep essential services running and prices relatively lower. Without enough workers, shortages and inflation would accelerate even more. Blaming immigration ignores the complex economic realities

2nd, I say this many times, suggesting policies like boosting birth rates is easy to say but difficult and slow to implement. Even if successful, it takes decades to see effects. Immigration is the immediate practical solution to current labor shortages, and opposing it without viable short term alternatives only risks deepening economic problems


3rd, I actually looked into those riots you mentioned.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_Kingdom_riots

Turns out, they weren't just some immigrant gang causing chaos. Nah, it was mostly far right losers spreading fake news about some stabbing in Southport, blaming Muslims who weren't even involved.

These clowns used that BS to stir up hate and get people rioting all over the place. So blaming immigrants for that shit is just dumbshit.

>>213515323
Funny how you bring up Tony Blair like his immigration policy is some evil mastermind plan. Maybe it wasn't perfect, but blaming everything on one speechwriter is just conspiracy-level nonsense.

Once again, i changed my mind because facts and reality forced me to, not because of some cheap shaming tactic

>>213515323
your main problem isn't even related to immigration, no matter what you always elect retarded politicians to order you around and make things worse

>>213515547
>First, prices and taxes are rising, but removing immigrants would only worsen the situation.
So immigrants are just to stave off the inevitable? Doesn't seem like its worth destroying social cohesion then if our lives are going to get more expensive anyway.

>suggesting policies like boosting birth rates is easy to say but difficult and slow to implement.
No they're not. Denmark has already done it. Our government could've started one 20 years ago. But they didnt.

>Turns out, they weren't just some immigrant gang causing chaos.
I never said it was? They were anti-immigration protests. If stability is your goal you want more cohesion so you get less riots. Which means less immigration, not more.

>blaming Muslims who weren't even involved.
The attacker had an Islamist-terrorist handbook and made several Islamist social media posts. Not a Muslim though. Surely.

> Nah, it was mostly far right losers spreading fake news about some stabbing in Southport,
Overplaying your rage-baiting hand.

>So blaming immigrants for that shit is just dumbshit.
You sound upset. Settle down OK?

>>213506651
what do u think what overness level did meowissey had in mind?

>>213514692
He's a true booba lover and I respect him for that
I like him, we don't get many real Asians here except for burger stationed in Okinawa or VPNs and the translator he's using is very good. I just wish he would stop avatarfagging

>>213514938
you're not fooling anyone rajesh

>>213513094
>first world service
My friend, have you seen the OP pic? We haven't seen anything resembling first world service in 20 years in this country.

>>213515840
1st, I mean, It's just reality without them, things get worse faster. If you think destroying social cohesion is a valid reason to make life more expensive for everyone, You misunderstood what I said.

2nd, You are not denmark. It's not about trying; it's about timing and feasibility. Twenty years ago, the UK's demographics and politics were not the same as Denmark's today

3rd, You're twisting my words. I never said immigrant gangs caused chaos. I pointed out that blaming immigrants blindly doesn't solve anything. More social cohesion means facing facts, not scapegoating.

4. Even Islamist social media posts by an attacker don't mean all Muslims are responsible. Don't confuse one individual's actions with an entire group.

5. I'm just calling out facts, not baiting. Get your facts straight

6. Not upset, just you should done with the nonsense and I mean blaming immigrants for everything is dumb.

>>213516026
it might be a native korean as well, they're a very broken in group of unintelligent herd people. The only good thing they do are movies, and what makes those kino is the suffering they withstand. And for that same reason soviet movies are full of soul, it is suffering that creates the highest forms of art

>>213515699
Blair's speechwriter understood Blair. The country's future was used as a pawn in a vindictive political squabble. Nothing was done for our good.
>>213515815
We don't elect politicians in this country.

>>213507817
Nigger I have worked in various warehouses throughout my 20s, our overlords are importing people for that EXACT REASON. Wages are the most expensive part of running a business. If you pay people like shit then only third worlders will want to do the job, because a rational person isn't going to slave away for no money.

>>213516427
globalism was a mistake, anons used to make a decent living doing the occasional low skilled job, but now everyone has to compete with jeets.

>>213506565 (OP)
1 it's never too late

>>213516242
>I mean, It's just reality without them, things get worse faster.
So... We need more immigrants to wilt on the vine slowly rather than quickly or something? We've had 20+ years of immigration and life is still getting more expenisve. 20+ years of a solution that hasn't worked and you think more is a good idea?

> Twenty years ago, the UK's demographics and politics were not the same as Denmark's today
They starting importing people en-masse 20 years ago though. So if we take what you're saying as truth (which is isn't but whatever), and they knew there was a population or labour problem back then so needed immigrants. But they haven't once thought about increasing birthrates since then?

>>213516242
>you're twisting my words.
No im not. You're trying to retroactively change what you said. How else would one interpret "Turns out, they weren't just some immigrant gang causing chaos." That is a HEAVY implication that you thought i was blaming the immigrants. When i reality i was point out that immigration protests and even riots are breaking out. That is not stability. Migration policy directly caused these.

> Even Islamist social media posts by an attacker don't mean all Muslims are responsible
I never claimed this. I just claimed the attacker was an Islamist after you said "muslims weren't involved".

>>213516242
>Not upset, just you should done with the nonsense and I mean blaming immigrants for everything is dumb.
You're clearly upset because you've been swearing and seething. Also i dont blame the immigrants i blame the government we've been through this more than twice now.

>>213513094
The migrants subsistence is paid by the taxpayer via welfare anywya

Their wages are low so the corporations dont have to pay them. Instead. They lobby for welfare and thus the taxpayer and the state has to subsidize and pay for what corporations arent willing to

They wont pay migrants enough for healthcare? Okay, then the state does, with WHITEY money
The only losers of you kick the migrants who are moslty anyway living in cities doing welfare because europe almost never produces agriculturals are the billionaires

>>213516427
I'm not quite sure what you mean. Are you saying that lowering wages would push immigrants out? Can you clarify?

>>213507817
the best part about remigration is that business owners will start being forced to pay a livable wage. When people don't want to work for you, what do you do? entice them by making the job more desirable.
You know what happened to europe after the black plague? The average wage skyrocketed, there was a low supply but high demand for workers, and the entire continent faced an economic boom, leaving the economy in a much better state than before the plague.
It amazes me that we live in a time where wages are shit and it's super hard to find a job, yet people think the solution is importing infinite more workers. This isn't even about the crap jobs that you think nobody on earth will want to work for, this applies to every job, including those.

>>213506565 (OP)
10 for the nation. 1 for the Elites.

>>213516632
1. It's not about "more is always better" It's about the fact that without immigrants filling essential jobs, the situation would be much worse, faster. Immigration isn't a perfect fix, but it's a necessary reality right now.

2. Omce again, the UK's situation 20 years ago was very different politically and demographically compared to today or Denmark. It's unrealistic to expect policies like boosting birthrates to have instant results.

3. I'm not twisting words. I'm clarifying that blaming immigrants as a whole for protests or riots is misleading. Social unrest has complex causes beyond immigration, including economic inequality and political dissatisfaction.

4. Fair enough, I agree it's wrong to generalize about all Muslims based on one attacker's views. Individual extremists don't represent entire communities.

5. I'm not upset, just frustrated that the discussion keeps going in circles without real solutions, blaming immigrants for everything without any solutions is just foolish.

>>213516665
If migrants are out the rich will be forced to increase wages btw.
If the wages increase, the higher prices mean nothing because there is more money avaliable to consume. And therefore also more competitive markets
Depressing wages is a way to protect monopolies
So migration both leeches welfare from normal people so the rich dont have to pay higher wages, thus also lowering the wages and stealing their jobs
>but but
Not to forget that most agricultural sectors overproduce
Over 50% of the yearly yield is dumped.

>>213516665
When you exclude economic migrants from the job market, either you raise wages to accomodate the expectations of natives or your business will collapse because you have no workers. This is how supply and demand works.

>>213516871
The reason rome never industrialized and colapsed btw is because they relied so much on slave workforce that they were never forced to invest in innovation, thwrefore stagnating

Reliance on cheap labour leads to collapse due to lack of innovation
Meanwhile if there is demand for labour and no migration you for example have a high value market formed for developing alternatives like ribotics

>>213516659
Actually, relying on migrants to fill essential but low paid jobs keeps many basic services running smoothly and prices relatively affordable for everyone including taxpayers. If corporations had to pay native workers higher wages without migrant labor, prices would skyrocket far more, hitting consumers and taxpayers harder. (for example, If iPhones were made in America by white Americans in factories, they wouldn't be the same price as they are now)

In addtion welfare support isn't just about migrants, it's a broader social safety net issue that governments need to address separately from immigration. Blaming migrants for corporate cost cutting ignores the root problem, companies pushing wages down to maximize profits.

>>213516842
>but it's a necessary reality right now.
You feel its necessary to continue to implement a fix that has gone on for 20 years and yet has not improved the situation, but rather merely slowed it down. Meanwhile it has brought with it ethnic conflict, cultural clash, a new political voting block and a whole host of criminal problems?
That doesn't sound appealing. Sorry

>Omce again, the UK's situation 20 years ago was very different politically and demographically compared to today or Denmark. It's unrealistic to expect policies like boosting birthrates to have instant results.
You seem to misunderstand what im getting at. But thats OK. I dont know what i expected to be honest.

>I'm not twisting words. I'm clarifying that blaming immigrants as a whole for protests or riots is misleading. Social unrest has complex causes beyond immigration, including economic inequality and political dissatisfaction.
Yes you are. You're not at all arguing in good faith and you're arguing like a woman. That is to say that you're constantly retroactively changing what you believe or trying to gaslight me into believing your "what i actually said was X" even though i can go up and re-read it.

>I'm not upset, just frustrated that the discussion keeps going in circles without real solutions, blaming immigrants for everything without any solutions is just foolish.
I'm also quite disappointed you dont seem to be grasping what im saying. Or even the implications of what you, yourself are saying.

Even the simplest one like "What is the purpose of government? its ok for the government to ignore the will of the people and import millions?" that i spelled out for you, once you grasped you seemed to justify.

Any way, this was fun but i have to go now.

>>213516871
Actually it's not just about supply and demand in a simple way. Raising wages might seem like a solution, but it can cause inflation, making everything more expensive for everyone including the workers themselves. Plus, businesses might cut jobs or automate instead of paying more. Simply blaming immigrants or demanding higher wages ignores the complexity of the economic system.

>>213516999
>relying on migrants to fill essential but low paid jobs keeps many basic services running smoothly and prices relatively affordable
you must have fun baiting

>>213510886
Maybe if picking veggies and fruits was paid decently and not with slave-tier salaries, people would actually do it.

>>213507817
I'm white and worked as a cleaner for a bit. The pay was pretty good and I had flexible hours. It's honestly not a bad job.

>>213517059
Look, you're the one who doesn't seem to understand the situation here. You keep throwing Denmark around like it's some perfect example, but this is the UK we're talking about not Denmark. Every country has its own unique political and demographic challenges.

The problem isn't me, it's your refusal to grasp the reality of the UK's situation

>>213517175
It will become a bad job once you get more immigrants with low requirements

>>213517084
Think it's a joke? Imagine if American white workers made iPhones in the US, the price would be at least twice as high as it is now. Labor costs are one of the biggest factors driving up prices. This is also why the US can't bring back its manufacturing industry.

Do you think China became the world's factory because America couldn't make things? No, it's because of labor costs.

>>213517205
Sadly true.

>>213517253
how did western countries make their own things in the past and how were people still able to afford them

>>213516999
Most of our countries are going through crises related to cost of living and housing, though. The relationship you're presenting isn't sustained in reality. Immigration is constantly increasing yet it doesn't appear to have improved our lives at all.
Nobody cares if their wages are 5% higher but their rent is now three-quarters of their income and the prospect of owning a house has become a far off fantasy.

>>213517253
That would spur American factories to invent new low-cost methods of manufacturing.
>the price would be at least twice as high as it is now
Then consumers would demand a phone which lasts longer and Apple would facilitate.

>>213517344
Globalization didn’t exist like it does now. There wasn't a cheaper alternative overseas, so domestic production was the default. Consumers had no choice but to buy local, and prices were structured accordingly.

And less automation and less outsourcing. Production was more local because logistics and global trade weren't as efficient or cost-effective as today.

>>213510886
I just looked up fruit picking in the UK
Your fruit pickers work 8 hour days, 6 days a week, and earn a weekly wage 75% of the national average.

You're asking people to do hard work for long hours with low pay. Maybe that's the problem?

Also working on farms is fucking miserable. You're far away from society and very easily mistreated. Animal abuse by farmers is absolutely rife and I doubt they see foreigners much better.

>>213517497
Post 10.24 sir

>>213517426
You're right that cost of living and housing crises are real but blaming immigrants for those is missing the forest for the trees. Immigration didn't cause skyrocketing rents or stagnant wages.

Why? Immigrants aren't the ones buying up half the housing market or lobbying against tenant protections, that's on investors and policymakers.

And, Let me explain inflation and labor costs again, using the iPhone as an example.

That's a nice theory, but it ignores how capitalism actually works.

Companies don't magically innovate just because labor is expensive they just move operations to cheaper countries. That’s exactly what Apple and most tech firms have already done.

And no, higher prices don’t make people demand "longer lasting phones" it just prices more people out.

If making phones locally was such a great solution, the US wouldn't have outsourced its entire manufacturing base in the first place.

>>213516999
>migrants to fill essential but low paid jobs keeps many basic services running smoothly
Nothing is running smoothly you stupid twat. You can't get healthcare because they're packed into the hospitals and GPs. Shops are struggling because of the massive rise in shoplifting. Nightlife is completely over here because city centres aren't safe.
You keep going on about the hard jobs that no one wants to do but most of them are selling illegal vapes and cigarettes or giving haircuts while money laundering their drug money and immigration scam income. Cheap car washes all over the place where they just scratch up your car anyway. Shit takeaways shifting unknown 'meat' before finally getting shut down for breaking hygiene laws. Care home staff constantly in the news for beating the old folks. Deliveroo drivers, like there aren't enough of them anyway, oh no what would britain do? And all the women who do absolutely nothing. Everything cash in hand where possible. None of these fuckers are legally earning enough to pay tax but tons of them are driving mercs. Propping up the economy my arse.

>>213517497
So what you say is an economy without immigrants like in the past is fully possible and workable, just the will is lacking because the government serves the interests of the economy and not the interests of its population?

>>213517644
There was a guy sometime after brexit who applied for about 50 fruit picking jobs when it was all over the media about how we now had a labour shortage. Hardly any replied to him. They know the foreign names can be abused easily, unpaid overtime, sanctions for missing targets etc.

>>213517878
Sure, in theory, you can run an economy without immigration like in the past but the world isn't the same anymore.

Back then, we had higher birth rates, younger populations, and less dependency on services

Now, with aging populations, low native birth rates, and a demand for constant low-wage labor, cutting immigration without major consequences is incredibly difficult.

>>213517754
Immigrants increase buy pressure on housing and get it from govt for free. This increases demand with no supply increase = price increase.

75IQ Jeets are not the brightest. No wonder you come to deliver pizza in Bulgaria and Romania and the like.

>>213517997
So it really comes down to governments not doing what their voters want? What were your 60 replies ITT for exactly when you could've just said that

>>213517754
Immigration might not be the sole cause but it's certainly a contributing factor. If you have higher demand for housing then prices will naturally increase. The inverse occurs for wages. Immigration is a strategy used by those investors and policymakers, yes. We choose to complain about it because this particular strategy is culturally and politically corrosive. It's easier to combat this one strategy than to combat the most powerful group of people in society directly.

>they just move operations to cheaper countries
We can regulate against that. Governments can offer subsidies for automation technology so long as the manufacturing remains local. Industries can be nationalised. A substantial portion of China's manufacturing and resource extraction is done by nationalised companies. We don't have to sacrifice everything for the holy grail of the economy.

Also I don't quite understand this line of thinking. Most immigrants still get paid the same minimum wage as citizens. It's only the US with its H1B visa system which differs there. But even most of them aren't actually underpaid.

Shouldn't the fact we have less manufacturing mean we need fewer immigrants? You're basically saying we need immigrants to do the hard jobs while also pointing out we have fewer hard jobs.

>>213516999
Why don't you go and suck a migrant's cock if you love them so much?

>>213517754
Where do you think the immigrants live? The housing stock has remained roughly the same but we have several million extra people.
>Immigrants aren't the ones buying up half the housing market
South Asians make up their fair share of landlords

>>213517877
You're describing a laundry list of isolated crimes or low quality services and pretending that's the norm for all immigrants. Generalizing millions of people because of your personal frustrations isn't helping anyone. That's not only dishonest, it's also lazy thinking.

If the system is broken, blame the government for lack of regulation and enforcement not every single migrant trying to survive or work legally.

>>213517253
>muh iphones

Jeety on the ropes, going for a bite of poo to revitalize himself while his microcephalous brain is almost short-circuiting

>>213518165
I'm not in love with migrants

I'm criticizing people who mindlessly call for their removal without offering any real solutions, all while ignoring how much of their daily life is made possible by those same migrants.

Jeet gigabrain unironically claimed housing and rent prices would stay the same even with an increase of millions of people with no corresponding housing supply increase.

Bad faith or retarded, either way a bad look for jeets.

>>213518240
Deporting illegal immigrants and criminal immigrants is a solution. It's good for the immigrants too, because net negative migration will save them from getting killed in the future by pissed off natives

>>213518240
Government does not exist to maximize profit margins for companies.

>>213518187
>isolated
Its the British experience, if you were here you'd see it constantly every day. There are millions of immigrants doing these things, you calling them doctors and scientists doesn't work. Clearly you have no grasp of what's happening here.
>blame the government
I do, that's the whole fucking point.
I blame each and every government we've had since Blair onwards and if someone's about to step in and say why didn't you vote differently you're naive as fuck for thinking any other alternative that was on the table would have tackled this.

>>213518240
Shalom, you can't fix internal problems with just taking in more immigrants

>>213518240
Your daily life is made possible by me fucking your mum

>>213518240
This is a philosophic difference. We can debate economics with you but deep down, most of us are opposed to immigration for more fundamental reasons. Nobody wants to be a minority in their own country. It's a precarious and disempowering situation to be in. If South Korea could accept 50 million Africans in the next 10 years and become the number one economy on Earth, would you want that? Or do you perceive some value in your country that cannot be represented in terms of economics?

>>213518144
You're right that immigration isn't the only factor but your logic contradicts itself.
If there truly are fewer manufacturing and hard jobs, then why are so many service sectors desperate for labor?

Most immigrants get minimum wage only because those jobs don't offer more. No H‑1B trickery in most countries. In fact, without migrants, many basic services would crumble or require drastic pay hikes that would make everything unaffordable.

Yes, automation and nationalization are possible but those are long-term strategies, not instant fixes. Capital doesn't wait around it moves to cheaper labor.

Once again, If iPhones were produced in the US, American workers would need to be paid $4,000 or over, while Chinese workers would only need to be paid $200~$500.
Therefore, if iPhones were produced in the US, the product price would rise significantly to compensate for the high labor costs.

This is why the US was able to stabilize prices by abandoning manufacturing and fostering China as the world's factory.

>>213518295
Yes, you are the only normal British poster I have ever spoken to here. Illegal things are not allowed

>>213518394
>If there truly are fewer manufacturing and hard jobs
You've been arguing this whole time that manufacturing in the West was outsourced, though. Which one is it? Has the West lost its manufacturing or is there a plethora of manufacturing jobs to be filled?

>then why are so many service sectors desperate for labor?
Because service jobs, especially those in healthcare, require qualifications and are generally difficult. But that's an internal matter. Adjustments in wages, removal of qualification requirements, possibly via government subsidy, can all correct the issue.

>American workers would need to be paid $4,000 or over
I'm fine with that. Cheap goods are nice but not as important as having a home which feels like your own.

>>213518561
To clarify I never said there are tons of manufacturing jobs in the West to be filled. In fact, the West has lost many manufacturing jobs due to outsourcing and automation

However, while manufacturing jobs have declined, the demand for labor in service sectors such as healthcare, delivery, retail, and care work remains very high and often faces shortages.

These service jobs, though sometimes requiring qualifications or skills, are essential for society to function and are generally low paid. That's why immigrant labor is crucial to fill those gaps

So no contradiction, manufacturing jobs have decreased, but service jobs still need workers, many of whom are immigrants.


And if Apple shut down all its overseas factories right now, returned to the U.S., and had American workers produce iPhones, you might have to pay at least $3,000 ~ $6,000 for an iPhone. Do you like that?

>>213509660
They've already kicked all minimum wage poles when they left EU

it's a 10, a deserved 10

>>213507817
people say that natives don't want to work those jobs because of pay but thats actually not true
its has to do with education
the more educated a population is, the less they wanna do menial physical labor, even if you increase the pay
those jobs are hard and they're not rewarding
a archeology student would rather work in his field than earn a bit more picking apples
and no, you can't rely on migrants forever
those immigrants will live in their new countries, they'll have kids and those kids will get educated and you're back to having a shortage of workers for those sectors in a few generations
im not sure what the solution is

>>213506565 (OP)
https://youtu.be/wRNw4RksYwg
THE KING SHALL HAVE HIS OWN AGAIN

>>213518946
That's a nice comfy theory but it ignores actual economic behavior.

>"Even if you increase the pay, educated people won't do hard jobs"

Right and where do you think all the nurses, radiologists, and EMTs come from? They're educated, and yet they do physical and emotionally draining work, because society values those jobs enough to support them with decent pay, training, and status.

People don't avoid dirty jobs just because they're "educated", they avoid them when the pay sucks, the hours suck, and the respect is non-existent. Fix that, and natives will show up again. Simple as.

>>213519063
you ignore the part where I said
>menial
its true that for example, nurses have a harsh job that in some country's (mine for example) is not well renumerated, teachers too, but those are not menial jobs
people that go into education to be nurses, teachers, EMT's do it because they have a drive towards that type of work, there is some fulfilment there, even if the pay is not great
no one picks apples or delivers packages for amazon because they find it fulfilment (im sure there are like 5 guys that like picking apples but you get the point)
>hey avoid them when the pay sucks, the hours suck, and the respect is non-existent. Fix that, and natives will show up again. Simple as.
again, I don't think the pay part is the solution (unless you increase the pay to ludicrous amounts like the wages of a doctor but that not happening), now if you increase the pay AND add on top of it a societal respect and appreciation for those jobs then it could work, a shift in the culture where people that do these hard menial jobs get some social status could work but it would require a big cultural shift and no one's pushing it or even thinking about it
no one is gonna start viewing the poor guys that carry buckets full of cement all day as they view firefighters

>>213509568
>late night kebab
Not needed. In fact it's good that such alienating job is gone
>clean up piss at the hospital
Poland can do it without immigrants so can the British
>restock shelves at 2AM
not needed just close the store earlier >care for your dying nan.
ideally that should be done by the child but if it can't then you can just increase prices until locals are willing to do it. Seniors have a lot of money in west so it shouldn't be a problem
btw your skin is shit coloured

do you mongs really get your entire world view from sensationalist british tabloids

>>213519364
daily mail is my only window to the isles of Albion

>>213519205
You're right that fulfillment and social respect matter but you're still dodging the main issue.

No one dreams of picking apples, hauling cement, or collecting trash just like nursing used to be seen as low-status women's work
But when pay, benefits, and social respect improve, even the most overlooked jobs attract workers. It's not about the job itself, but a function of how society chooses to value and treat those roles.

So no, the problem isn't that "menial jobs" are beneath people. It's that we've spent decades making sure they stay beneath people underpaid, invisible, and disrespected.

If you want locals to do those jobs, treat them like jobs that matter. Because they do.

>>213507817
/int/ hates it when an asian tells it like it is. Respect brotha.

>>213519425
i still disagree unless you pay ridiculous amounts but I hope im wrong
it might be corny but I do really think there is honor in sweeping the streets, collecting the trash, picking the food tha ends up on our shelves and I wish those jobs had more social worth but thats not the world we live in

>>213519364
i wish it was more multicultural here, the food here is very boring.

>>213519480
You say it would take "ridiculous" pay, but that's just because right now these jobs are undervalued and underpaid.
Look at places where garbage collectors or utility workers are well-compensated people line up for those jobs.
Honor means little if society doesn't back it up with dignity, fair wages, and support

And we can live in a world where these jobs have social worth (Maybe that world won't come....But I’d still like to believe it could...
)

>>213519574
mass immigration truly is very harmful since even low skilled jobs become hard to get. During the more civilised times one could keep themselves alive and well with occasional easy jobs, but now even those have 200 applicants due to us living in a global job market.