Can russians explain why they keep using this design after 40+ years of turret tossing?

It's more sovlful

Because they are communist pedophiles?

>>213518508 (OP)
they replaced it in the t14, admitting that its dogshit
but they cant afford the t14

>>213518573
They could afford atleast a few. However the t14 is a piece of crap that cant move two meters without breaking down
>>213518508 (OP)
Russia values the lifes of their soldiers less than NATO militaries

Because the problem is not the carrousel itself, but the fact that Russia still produces shit-tier propellants that explode at the minimal shock. Unlike western propellants that sometimes won't explode even if it's hit directly, as we already seen videos of drones hitting Leopards and others.

The carrousel is actually a pretty smart design to protect it from hits since they sit deep below the tank, the Karkhov plant design was even better since the propellants sat vertically so when it got hit by top-attack munitions, it would have less of a chance of hitting the propellant, something that they even did it on the T-14 itself.

t. Tank autist

>>213518508 (OP)
in their designs they don't care about the lives of the tanker crews. In first world countries that use german tanks, more time and funds are given to train skilled tankers. In a russian and american tanks losing the crew isn't a big deal, but for developed countries it is

because russians dont care about casualities.
It still doesent matter to them to sent 100k 500k 1 million guys in the meatgrinder. They are still stuck in the Napoleons times when russian Olga had 15 babies.

>>213518508 (OP)
Originally for two reasons, an auto loader is better than your average conscript at loading under stress or for long periods, and second because in WW2 it was noted that the overwhelming majority of hits occurred on the turret; therefore the lower the turret the less likely you are to be hit, and the carousel is a meat to keep the turret low while maintaining an auto loader. It wasn’t until the 80’s that top attack munitions became capable of penetrating all the way to the carousel, so most ATGMs weren’t any different than a regular round and the carousel is arguably better for that because the ammo isn’t in the turret at all, so it can’t be hit. The soviets prioritized ease of manufacturing/conscript use and small sillihouette over everything else basically, and it’s too expensive for Russia to restart or drastically alter a tank production line at this time so they’re stuck with it.

>>213518919
stupid finnshit

>>213519016
The person using the ATGM would have an even higher casualty rate anyway. It doesn't make sense unless fighting in a city.

>>213519439
I just wanted to make fun of the abrams, I truly hate how it has replaced all the soulful designgs like the m60. Instead of making a new design they keep retrofitting the abrams. Before abrams your tank designs used to be beautiful and sexy, but now it's just abrams retrofit #6 and so on. I hate them from deep within my heart, they're soulless, ugly and dysfunctional. A leopard 2A7 on the other hand, despite its age, is still a titillating tank. Abrams is the worst thing your country has ever made, almost equal to ar-15 from which m16 and m4 carbine are the only soulful variants and the rest I wouldn't even give to african militias

>>213518508 (OP)
keeps the drivers honest

Their products really don't care about humans.

I had a Russian camera and a bike, but I gave them all to someone else for free

>I just wanted to make fun of the abrams, I truly hate how it has replaced all the soulful designgs like the m60. Instead of making a new design they keep retrofitting the abrams. Before abrams your tank designs used to be beautiful and sexy, but now it's just abrams retrofit #6 and so on. I hate them from deep within my heart, they're soulless, ugly and dysfunctional. A leopard 2A7 on the other hand, despite its age, is still a titillating tank. Abrams is the worst thing your country has ever made, almost equal to ar-15 from which m16 and m4 carbine are the only soulful variants and the rest I wouldn't even give to african militias

>>213519681
Abrams is obesity in tank form

>>213518508 (OP)
Soldiers can be replaced

>>213519746
mexicans are obesity in brown form

>>213519681
I look like that and say that. Your country is stagnating in military development, due to volume it is more economical to retrofit and reuse than to make new and more useful designs. None of the retrofits give me any sexual gratification like the developments of the past used to do. Abrams is the worst tank design of the modern era and it needs to be replaced

Hey pals, don't bully Russians so much. They have feelings too, y'know!

>>213519811
it is being replaced and stagnation can be blamed on the fall of the ussr and fighting sand insurgents for 20 years

>Americans try to build a light tank
>weights the same as an M1A1 and is as expensive as an SEPV4.

Classic American MIC moment.

>>213519855
That's just abrams #7 in he spirit of T-14 armata tanks, but I guess it is just the blight of the modern times to lack any innovation in design. At least a healthy profit will be made from tax payer money while replacing abrams with abrams, hurray. Greed and profit truly are the enemies of innovation

>>213519975
negative faggot

Even Best Korea makes better tanks than them

>>213519933
Don’t worry, it got cancelled

>>213520011
I know, it's just funny how it was supposed to be this light tank, but the Army ended up asking more and more until it became what's basically an MBT with an 105.

>>213519993
As a tank lover should I rejoice when there are no good tank designs from you? Make something good for once after taking your break in ruminating old designs to pocket some $ for the semites in charge of the budget
>>213520001
Your country makes k9 thunders which are sexy and look good, I saw a few in action when I was in the army

>>213520109
why are you acting like im in control of tank design you autistic freak grow up

>>213520092
It’s not just tanks. The F-35, the LCS, the Zumwalt, the constellation, a lot of US weapon programs has had issues with design creep and becoming over bloated messes.

>>213520153
I'm allowed to be negative about uninspired designs, and tank autists are allowed to be autistic about matters relating to tanks.

Now that tank-killer drones are mainstream battlefields, how will tanks be designed in the future?

>>213520541
Tank killer drones are as much of a tank killer as NLAW was, so nothing changes. But still in my opinion all drone operators deserve to die no matter the side they're on

>>213520709
tsaaaar

>>213520806
cry all you want, in my opinion they're all brown subhumans for the lack of humanity they possess. Just look at all the things that one romanian and all the russians post

>>213519780
Post hand

>>213520709
Will we soon be piloting drones inside armored vehicles equipped with anti-drone equipment?
It is also likely to stabilize the output of radio waves used to control drones.

>>213520914
Would you be ok with being sent back to Russia?

>>213518899
Actually the propellant is more or less inert kinetically, the explosions are mostly fuel tanks or fires affecting the propellant
Lurkmore
>>213518508 (OP)
This image is incorrect

>>213520991
I have a feeling you are the one who needs to go back far east. I'm not willing to stay in the backlines among civilians piloting a 30€ chinese toy drone from china among civilian apartment dwellers. If there is to be a war I'm not going to hide from my demise behind civilians. And I certainly wouldn't joyously celebrate the death of any poor soul of the other side like so many here have a habit of doing. I'm sure god will forgive those who kill during a war, but not those who do it with glee

>>213518508 (OP)
Wrong board, dude. But the answer is the didn't care about crew survivalvility. The USSR had excess men and tanks. They simply zerg rush while nukes pave the way. Today's Russia has an economy smaller than Italy and a fucked up demographics. The war in Ukraine is not helping. They are now paying the price from past mistakes.

>>213521170
Look man I have a lot of sympathy for ordinary russians who don't want to zig to death on the frontlines. Any of them who love Finland I will love them back. But ziggers need to go back

>>213521482
I don't want them here either, but I also don't want those subhumans who post drone kill videos no matter which side they're from. They're also the ones who become a problem after the war

>>213518508 (OP)
because its faster
an incapacitated tank is a lost tank, the only difference between the turret blowing up and the panels blowing out is that in one scenario the crew dies and in the other it survives, but russians dont care about crew, so faster reloading makes sense

>>213521531
>them
Comrade just stop

>>213518508 (OP)
Rusmonke brain very smal... only have power for few thinks.... drink many vodka maek brain power even less gud... so no have enough strong think for make better tenk..

>>213518508 (OP)
where do they store saddam hussein tho?

>>213520709
I thought drones make tanks obsolete?

>>213521573
go back to tel aviv i will not die for pissrael and niggerization of europe

>>213523188
tanks won't be obsolete for a long while

>>213523188
Nah, RPGs made tanks obsolete.

>>213523205
tanks seem pretty obsolete today

Tanks are absolute crap and useless. I heard tank retards hyping their german crap for decades for it to get destroyed to shit in Ukraine, leopards even tossed their turrets in Syria lmao. Obsolete as all hell, aircraft chads are eating good.

>>213520709
>all drone operators deserve to die no matter the side they're on
Some say the same about snipers.

>>213518508 (OP)
The recent war should tell you that it's because Russians do not give a damn about how many soldiers they lose.

>>213518508 (OP)
why do we even still have manned tanks and not remote controlled tanks
looks like a bigger death trap than a submarine either way

literally every real tank in the near future will have autoloaders
and no amount of NAFO cope threads will change that

>>213518508 (OP)
The ammo is valued more than the men so it's put underneath

>>213523602
men are cheaper and nobody really cares if you kill them

>>213523606
Leclerk-style autoloader in the turret bustle is an objectively superior design to the soviet-style one under the turret.

On the other had 4th crew member can be absolutely invaluable, so I wouldn't write them off.

>>213523699
It's that kind of thinking that gets you 14-1 casualty ratios.

>>213519016
thread shouldve ended here

>>213523606
you don't need to store ammo below the turret Soviet-style to have an autoloader.

>>213519016
It's more because their tanks were designed assuming they had to push through NATO armies responding with tactical nukes to a mass invasion and having 3 men per tank instead of 4 meant 20k tanks instead of 15k trying to breakthrough at the fulda gap before the americans could arrive and stabilise the front

>>213518508 (OP)
Because Russian tanks are still very capable fighting vehicles. In most cases where you see shit like the Ukrainians destroying them it's because the Russians used them in a retarded fashion like that T90 getting circle strafed by a Ukrainian crewed M2 Bradley because for some reason the Russians didn't think to support the T90 with infantry fighting vehicles like the BMP-3 and instead sent it out unsupported by even infantry

>>213524944
russian tech has always been very capable, its training and actual use of it they fail at.

soon™

>>213525119
ugly mutha

>>213525101
Yeah, it's why I really hate the NAFO propaganda about how bad Russian equipment is when in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter (unless it's catastrophic like the L85A1 and INSAS rifles being extremely unreliable garbage) as long as it does the job well enough.

>>213525150
take that VPN off

t90m fixed that

>>213525126
true, it's not pretty, but seems like a quite good concept.
>>213525150
it does matter whether your entire tank crew gets killed after a penetration or whether they can bail out

>>213523700
There was a proposal to install a French made Leclerc style turret and a KMDB 6TD opposed piston engine plus the T84 transmission on the T72 hull for export. I suspect that the proposed 120mm armed variant of the VT4 being offered to Brazil is very similar since the Chinese have already put that Ukrainian power train into export vehicles before.

>>213525160
I'm actually Pro-Ukrainian but it's just retarded to act as if Russian equipment is worthless dogshit when plenty of other countries including Ukraine uses Russian equipment to great effect.

>>213525178
It's a trade-off to have a lower profile and to not have to train a loader (even if I think having a manual loader in say an M1 Abrams is better due to higher fire/reloading rate). Granted I wouldn't want to be in a T72/T90 but the decision to put the ammunition there isn't because the designers are retards but rather it was a trade-off that they thought was worth it.

And looking at the T34, you could really tell that the Russians didn't care about the tank crews dying tbqh

>>213525177
Nope that's just extra storage, even in the Burlak variants. Still has the carousel autoloader. I was very disappointed to learn this.

>>213523713
Relying on casualties to make up the difference has been Russia's strategy since the dawn of their culture. They have had no military conflict where they had fewer losses, win or lose. To them it's a cheap way to keep a war going for years and it helps them deal with any demographic "problems".

>>213525226
you can make autoloaders with ammo stored so there is no catastrophic cookoff after penetration too. The French did it with Leclerc, Koreans with K2, even Russians themselves with T-14. they just don't want to set up the expensive new production line so keep the existing T-90 line running because they consider it not as bad a problem apparently

>>213519625
>truly hate how it has replaced all the soulful designgs like the m60

The Turks are still going full sapport on the M60 platform. They got some of the final production run models so their hulls are relatively new. They have some upgraded with 120mm guns, MTU engined and snazzy new tech. But their big next development is installing totally new turrets on them with an autoloader and blowout panels a lot of ERA and updated active protection. The AVDS engine can now make 1500hp too.

>>213518508 (OP)
Why do you care you're never going to a war

>>213525263
Yeah. Cost is a factor as well and completely adopting a completely new system would make any money man scared. The XM8 program had a lot of problems but one of the biggest problems was that it lacked backwards compatibility with the attachments etc. the US military already had that fit on picatinny rails. I'd assume that's a similar thing that happens with any adoption of new tech.

And yeah I don't think they even have the capabilities to switch over to the T-14 Armata even when going full steam on the war economy with the difficulty in getting all the new gadgets, widgets etc. that is used in the T-14 Armata so it makes sense to just keep trying to pump out tried and true designs and drag shit out of storage.

But yeah I would agree that the Leclerc and K2 are probably better vehicles but for the most part the T72/T90 has the capabilities that the Russians need when fighting in Ukraine even if it means that some poor Russian fuckers are going to be sent skyhigh by a Ukrainian anti-tank gun

>>213525150
western specs
>the max reliable capability of equipment minus a safety factor
russian specs
>the absolute max capability of equipment plus a bit just to scare the west
thats where mocking russian equipment comes from, its hella good but not as good as they say in long term and will underperform compared to its specs, our equipment is almost always underrated and will overperform when pushed to the max.

>>213525177
It really didn't

>>213518508 (OP)
Where's Saddam Hussein

>>213525419
>thats where mocking russian equipment comes from, its hella good but not as good as they say in long term and will underperform compared to its specs, our equipment is almost always underrated and will overperform when pushed to the max.
Oh don't get me wrong the Russians jerk off about how it's infinitely superior to Western designs blah blah blah and all that stupid garbage but I do feel it's also possible to lean too much on the opposite and say Russian equipment would fall apart if some kid shot BBs at it.

For the most part Western weapons are superior but it just annoys me when NAFO people say it's irredeemable garbage. And I think it's very easy to get drunk off your own supply when it comes to propaganda as seen in how even Putin he could kick down the door and the whole rotten structure will fall apart instead of he's now embroiled in a long-term total war where the second it's over the war economy will collapse leading to the potential collapse of his government

>>213525226
>uses Russian equipment to great effect
Quality crew training can compensate drawbacks of equipment only so much. You can be a professional racer with 20 years of experience, but if you race in your Toyota Corolla against some random guy in Ferrari, you'd still loose.

>>213525531
why are you saying nafo and what kind of narrative are you trying to push saying so?

>>213525531
It's from stuff like the soviets hyping up the mig 25 as the definitive jet and pushing the americans to actually create the best jet before the secret got leaked and it turned out the soviets built an high speed missile chucker

>>213525542
Yeah. As much as it makes me sound like a faggot and shill, why I support sending Western weapons over there. Effective equipment is a force multiplier in every line of work even a cashier will benefit from a good POS machine

>>213525590
I'm not really trying to push any narrative hell I'm even outing myself as a Pro-Ukraine person, I just really dislike people (and I see this alot with the NAFO crowd) going the complete opposite extreme of Russians pretending their equipment was given to them by God, Jesus, Muhammed etc. on a golden chariot and saying Russian equipment is irredeemably horrible and worthless.

It's like watching a drug dealer getting high off their own supply. It's important to be factual so that you can actually deal with the actual enemy that are evil and bombing civilian targets with no military value instead of the enemy you wish you were fighting.

>>213525671
Ahhh I'm not a plane autist so I didn't know that. Thanks

>>213525726
>nafo nafo nafo
>did i say nafo loud enough?
yeah whatever

>>213525885
Yeah you caught me bro I'm a complete Zigger shill what now

>>213525914
nah i dont really believe that you seem to chill and knowledgefull for that. but you still fell for enough of the zigger propaganda to unironicly use terms like nafo and thats whats confusing to me.

>>213525177
t90m still has a carousel retard

How come every anon who never held a gun in his hand suddenly became a military expert?

>>213526707
it is possible to read and learn about things without having done them yourself.

>>213526707
I did hold a gun THOUGH

>>213518508 (OP)
What's the point of caring about the lives of 40-year-old alcoholics and mortgage holders? Come on, they're fucking trash.

>>213526707
I did a few times at a shooting range.
I still know nothing about military.

Just 20 more years of prime nato tactics and equipment and vodka drinking zigger monke men will be defeated, ruZZian nazis are so weak bros, victory is near, i can smell it!

>>213527007
strawman

>>213527034
whataboutism

>>213527007
We are currently going towards the 4th year of the 3 day SMO

>>213527069
3 days was american estimation, nobody in russia said anything about 3 days, brown monke.

>>213527050
no
Ukraine doesn't have the arsenal of weaponry NATO has and nobody thinks they're in a great situation
the reality is Russia is advancing, at great casualties for Russia and for Ukraine
for no really good reason other than imperialism
and you are too cynical and cowardly to care about/oppose that senseless slaughter and destruction

>>213527007
any day now rusbro, soon you'll eat victory porridge

>>213527081
I think you'll find the real estimates were... bananas

>>213527081
Why you had an armoured column going towards Kyiv for a decapitation strike and your army had police crowd control equipment?

>>213518508 (OP)
Because russian tanks have autoloader, while retarded westoids use a retard to do this primitive job

>>213527250
That seems like your country lacks trust and care in the tank crew and would rather just send in masses of them than train them properly.

>>213527108
>Ukraine doesn't have the arsenal of weaponry NATO has
Yes it absolutely does.
>and you are too cynical and cowardly to care about/oppose that senseless slaughter and destruction
>nobody thinks they're in a great situation
uhhh, yeah, a lot of you actually do.
>the reality is Russia is advancing
das rite
>at great casualties for Russia
Not correct, but as I've already learned, it's better for us that you think Russia unironically uses the 'human wave assault' tactics, so I'm not going to argue there.
>and for Ukraine
Yes, that is absolutely correct, as is evident by the never ending mogilisation process in ukraine with unlawful bussyfication (yeah that's the term they use) of the male population, of which there remains very little at this point.
>for no really good reason other than imperialism
Didn't know you were a commie, lmao
>and you are too cynical and cowardly to care about/oppose that senseless slaughter and destruction
Sorry, what? Why would you think I'd want to oppose this? Like, what makes you people believe that any of us would want to protest against it?
I mean, sure, you've painted a completely different picture in your propaganda about quadrillions dead russians and their parents getting a bag of beetroot as consolation prize for their son's death, but that's... literally what's happening in ukraine, not russia.
I'm not going to argue with you or any retards on 4chan over this, because you've been too brainwashed by your own propaganda and you've no means of learning about how things work here. And, frankly, I don't care what you think about me or russia anyways.
>>213527116
not reading any of that, your country is being mass-raped by somalians and afghans, have fun surviving into the next century without being replaced. Will be quite hard with there only being 8 million of your and like 20% of your population being foreign-born, which is about 2 million. Get rekt, svinska.
Anyways, I'm leaving the thread, good day to everyone.

>>213527245
what's kyiv?

>>213527007
bro its been three and a half years of the three day SMO and Russia is bogged down with niggas being droned daily in eastern ukraine while everyone pretends things are going as planned and claps for the Supreme Manlet of Moscow

>>213527468
>Yes it absolutely does.
no it doesn't, that's just your propaganda narrative. If it had the full NATO arsenal, F-35s would be flying over the Kremlin.
>>at great casualties for Russia
>Not correct
haha
>Why would you think I'd want to oppose this? Like, what makes you people believe that any of us would want to protest against it?
idk, just assumed you're human or something. it's like if Germans and Dutch were slaughtering each other because our chancellor is an oldfuck megalomaniac near his death. but you are too subservient.
>you've been too brainwashed by your own propaganda
haha yes.

>>213527491
Jej knew it would trigger you, nice job on dodging the question btw

>>213527468
>never ending mogilisation process in ukraine with unlawful bussyfication (yeah that's the term they use) of the male population
I think you should be more worried about dyedovshina, Ivanushka...

hivan already malding

>>213527558
>idk, just assumed you're human or something
ukrainians have been killing russians in the eastern part of the country for god knows how many years, they deserve everything that is currently happening to them and more. Much more. Most people here don't like putin not because he's a dictator or because of the war, but because he still hasn't cut ties with the west and hasn't started and actual genocide you guys keep squealing about
> it's like if Germans and Dutch were slaughtering each other because our chancellor is an oldfuck megalomaniac near his death.
Yeah dude, this has never happened with your subhuman nation before. It's not like your nation never chimped out in Europe and never caused tens of millions of deaths and mass destruction with not a single german protesting against it. Go fuck yourself, ignorant brainwashed retard.
>>213527583
bro im so triggered rn, you still dodged my question tho, what's kyiv?

>>213527732
>>213527719

>>213527732
>ukrainians have been killing russians in the eastern part of the country for god knows how many years
the fighting was instigated by Russia.
>Yeah dude, this has never happened with your subhuman nation before. It's not like your nation never chimped out in Europe and never caused tens of millions of deaths and mass destruction with not a single german protesting against it. yes it has lol, why do you think I'm brining this up?
you are in the same situation now. not to the same extreme extent, but it's still comparable. and instead of acknowledging that, you sperg out and talk this shit when confronted with it, because you are a coward conformist pussy. 80 years ago, people had the excuse of being brainwashed by propaganda, they didn't have internet access like you to easily see reality as it is.

>>213523188
no? it's like saying armoured vehicles are obsolete, or infantry. retarded notion. a (not even new) weapon doesn't mean you drop everything and cut your leg off. you also use that weapon and its countermeasures.

>>213527815
>the fighting was instigated by Russia.
Lying through your teeth is not a good way to prove a point, it was instigated by ukraine, namely the airstrike on lugansk administration which led many into the resistance

Sasha is here to dodge the draft online GEEG

>>213527666
Dedovschina disappeared in russia in early 2000s, however it's still wildly present in ukraine because of it's lackluster military discipline and human rights

Sasha has arrived to defend the carou-cels

>/int/
When I make an off-topic thread it'd get deleted immediately.

>>213528045
>it was instigated by ukraine, namely the airstrike on lugansk administration which led many into the resistance
>vatnigs actually believe this

>>213528080
Sasha, shouldn't you be posting your bussy on /lgbt/?

>>213528258
>>213528292
>>213528417
Nafotroony melty at truth will never be funny, they just start pointlessly tossing dogshit memes in confusion, almost like redditors

>>213527007
>>213527468
>>213527732
Ukranian army was created by russians during USSR every single gerneral in ukraine today was in soviet army and POCCNIA STILL CAN"T WIN

>>213528479
>Nafo
It's over, Nafo redditrannies buckbroke you so hard you bring them up even when no one else does out of reflex

>>213528513
>W-we buckbroke you!
Sure thing tranny! And you are also a woman

>>213528513
That gay nafo shit doesn't even exist anymore outside a fringe Twitter group. Vatnigs just can't cope with the fact everybody hates them.

>>213528532
>.t spams every ukraine thread for months

>>213528566
You come from a gay discord group though

>>213528532
>And you are also a woman
You look like a woman

>>213528581
Laughing at pathetic troons and their losing shithole every time i see their dogshit thread spammed on imageboard I've been on before them is another thing

Here's your modern day russian tank bro

>>213528639
Atleast it can survive more than one hit (same can't be said about western tanks)

>>213528532
Post your bussy sacha

>>213519625
>from which m16 and m4 carbine are the only soulful variants
m16 is an eyesore though, and I think aesthetics are huge part of firearms
it's iconic, for sure, but not a pretty looking such

>>213528582
>Discord groups in the year of our lord 2025
You see, you're perpetually stuck in 2022

>>213528665
You sure about that?

>>213528686
After you tried to cope that basic m1 has 650mm ke in turret i would stay silent if i were you desu

>>213523188
>>213528006
this
>we invented the car, so let's stop using trains
>we invented the airplane, so let's stop using cars

Russians learning how to fly

>>213528704
Have you come to terms that Russia is not 'the big bear not to be trifled with'?

>Russians
>Post ukrainians
What did she mean by this?

>>213528736
Have you come to terms that you are a clueless retard who doesn't know what he's talking about which leads you to wrong conclusions and wrong values?

>>213528695
That turret left a gaping hole bigger than Sasha's bussy after a chechen blocking platoon have finished running a train on xer

hot take, but no one gives a shit about Russia vs Ukraine
>muh ziggers
>muh ukie pigs
no one cares, and no one will change their mind because you post war webms
take it to /pol/

>>213528756
Sacha this cope isn't working at all. Those are russian vehicles

>>213528785
I am never wrong, even when I am, I'm not. Because I am a white Swedish man, and you're a diaspoora snow African.

>>213528811
>implying it's not Russian and Ukrainian diaspora plus some plebbitors

>>213528841
Ok Mohamed whatever you say

>>213526343
Nafo is a useful term to describe people with an over attachment and unrealistic expectation of NATO equipment and doctrine, it’s a sister term to Wehraboo and Tankie, or from a different argument Fedora Tipping Autist for atheists. I would much rather go to war in basically any piece of NATO equipment than its Warsaw Pact counterpart, but that doesn’t mean that Pact equipment is ass or garbage like it is occasionally made out to be.

>>213528843
Sacha you are a homosexual right?
Would you lick someones shoes for 50 rubles (0,5 euros)?

>>213528939
That's from belarus, vpntard....

>>213528939
Suck my cock you monkey diaspora nobody gives a shit about this boring east Slavic war 4 years in except you.

>>213528955
>Saar those are belarusian not russian saar

>>213529011
You are misusing the meme due to your low iq

>>213528965
Sacha do you still crave brown azerbaijani cock ever since you left that country?
Do you satisfy your need for brown cock with the millions of muslims that live in moscow? How many have you taken up your ass?

>>213529038
saaaaaaaaaaaar we russians and ukranians are not the same!!!... unless ukranians want to discriminate the russia tradition of gay anal rape...

>>213528736
>Have you come to terms that Russia is not 'the big bear not to be trifled with'?
Father mushroom said so himself; "if you were not a fool, you would not be a bear." I'm expecting that movie being banned for that line one day.

>>213529038
>bloody bitch saar those are belarusian saar not brahmin russians saar! Bloody bitch fuk you

>>213529054
I am not him you dumb fucking 150cm gay mongoloid, there are two Serbian flags ITT.

>>213529074
Ukrainians are the gay anal rape nation so i don't see how this makes sense in your head

>>213529135
And both of you are equally gay so my post also applies to you

>>213529176
I bet you dream about getting anally raped every night Sacha
Maybe you should join the army so you can get raped by churkas every day. You love brown cock right?

>>213529184
You're the one that constantly references to various sorts of cocks? Anything to say about that?

>>213529229
I am just trying to help you sacha. We all know you what you like

>>213529350
I'm a Serb, not him. Why are you not at the front, faggot?
Nobody wants to hear about this boring war after 4 years. Just do us all a service because you are a homosexual that makes this website unreadable (one among many).

>>213529426
>I'm a Serb
my condolences

>>213529500
Woof woof

>>213529426
>I'm a Serb
grim

>>213529539
>hey guys my homeland is getting bombed to shit for years but at least I'm annoying to Serbs and a diaspora Russian
Yes, it's truly grim, you won't have a country but at least you posted heroically on /int/, in case you'll ever have an offspring you'll have a story to tell.

>>213525150
just look at egronomics of every russian apc and ifv, they are terrible
very hard to get in or get out
why do you think they rode on top not inside

>>213529580
>>hey guys my homeland is getting bombed to shit for years
I have no idea what you're talking about. I don't like Russia because it's a country of albino niggers that invaded my own, made us slaves for 40 years and never showed a shred of remorse or change of character. Ukraine is kind of a shithole and they don't exactly have a clean conscience, but they're in the right, and are successfully defending themselves after their own Prague Spring and Warsaw pact invasion. Why are you confused?

>>213529580
>hey guys my homeland is getting bombed to shit
Talking about Serbia?

>>213529700
You seriously devote so much of your time on this war while you're not even Ukrainian? In case you're the same news spammer from /uhg/. Quite sad.
>>213529755
Senile much?

>>213529783
>You seriously devote so much of your time on this war while you're not even Ukrainian?
Nah, this is just a fun way to spend my lunch break.
>In case you're the same news spammer from /uhg/.
If you spend time on /ugh/, your comment about spending too much time on this is already projection.

>>213529846
>xaxxaaxxa no u )))))))))))))))))))))
How unexpected, classic eastern way of not addressing my question.

>>213527732
>ukrainians have been killing russians in the eastern part of the country for god knows how many years
why did russia allow ukraine to kill russians for so many years? thats evil

>>213529783
Are you?

the children yearn for chernobyl
cutting corners is soviet heritage

>>213529215
>Posts 2 ukrainians imitating gay sex
What did she mean by this

>>213526422
>a carousel retard
What, you mean like pic related? Where did they fit her in there?

did somebody delete the NAFO discord server or something? you can chat on reddit

>>213530272
TSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR

>213530305
did you post your 20 threads quota today yet?
also why did you post child pornography on /int/ and why do you have child pornography on your computer?

>>213530338
meds