Are landlords always, unequivocally rotten pieces of shit in your country? It's not enough that by nature they're parasitic rent seekers providing zero value to the economy, they're also just garbage human beings who will use any underhanded means to fleece you of all the money they can while they're at it. We need to clean our hands of this scourge once and for all.

>>213526743 (OP)
No, it's not true in my country.

Yes, I rent out my apartments

yes, renting out places to live should be punishable with death

Humanity is ugly, it's just that not all of us have been given the opportunity to fully realise their ugliness

>>213526743 (OP)
is it possible to buy land in vietnam or can you only lease it, like in china?

>>213526743 (OP)
>they're parasitic rent seekers providing zero value to the economy,
You could say that about every kind of service someone offers.
I don't know what your problem is, the landlord offers you a right to live in his house, you pay him money for that. How is it different from a Netflix subscription?

>>213526743 (OP)
Humans are pieces of shit, you give them land they will act like a parasite but they being shit precedes their position as a landlord and the position only helps it in particular way.

I'd like to live in Vietnam

>>213526743 (OP)

>>213526912
How is buying up housing and hoarding it for ransom "offering a service"?

>>213526912
If I make a chair, I spend hours of my labour crafting it and therefore deserve to reap the fruits of my labour as the world is richer for it. If I buy land and rent it out, I have created no value. The only reason I can extract a rent is because the state is backing my ownership of this land by force of arms.

>>213526945
How is buying up copyrights to movies/games and selling access to them for hefty prices "offering a service"?

>>213526743 (OP)
Yes, they're human shaped ticks. TLD.

>>213526912
>You could say that about every kind of service someone offers.
You can but it wouldn't be correct. I can say the sky is pink. Rent seekers extract wealth with producing anything. They have a right under certain political systems to rent out their property and receive a wealth transfer without doing anything productive, they arent needed for things to keep moving and producing.

>>213526743 (OP)
I am a landlord and I gaurantee I have much more difficult and stressful job than yours. If you really think that being a landlord was such an easy get-rich-quick scheme then why don't you do it yourself?

>>213526912
The difference is that having a place to live is one of the most basic needs there is next to eating, drinking and breathing. You don't need a Netflix subscription to live.

>>213526986
It's not. The idea of "intellectual property" is also retarded. How can you own a thought?

>>213527002
Aw that sucks bro. You're still a parasite thougbeit

>>213526975
>If I buy land and rent it out, I have created no value.
First of all, they don't rent land (usually) but houses someone had to build before. Secondly, they did create value by offering you a safe place to live. If there was no ownership rights in the world, one day you could occupy an empty lot but the next day a stronger guy would come with a club and beat you, forcing you to leave. A landlord "rents out" the right to safe life in his house to you, thanks to which, if a thug comes to your rented flat and tells you to leave, you can call the police and they will arrest him, allowing you to continue to live in that place peacefully. If this is not "added value" then what is?

>>213527002
>If you really think that being a landlord was such an easy get-rich-quick scheme then why don't you do it yourself?
This is bait

>>213527002
>get-rich-quick
Dont think anyone ever said that. To be a landlord you must have been born wealthy to begin or in some rare case you actually have to work and produce something and when you reach a certain level of wealth you buy land so you dont have to be forced to be productive ever again to sustain yourself.

>>213527062
But the house is on the land, so they are still occupying land that someone else could live on
Also I am pretty sure it is the state that upholds the property right of the landlord. Not the landlord himself

>>213526945
I don't hoard anything for ransom.
>>213526975
If I work to gather lots of money, then put it under risk and jump through all sorts of hoops to buy properties, and spend hours fixing everything whenever it brakes, the world is richer for it. The only reason you get to hoard that chair from me is becuase the state is backing your ownership of this chair by force of arms.
>>213527001
Why don't you get your own house if its so easy and provides no value?

>>213527053
>>213527070
>>213527090
I accept your concession.

>>213527105
>if its so easy
I don't think he claimed that. Can you landlord not defend your life choises without putting words in other peoples mouth?

>>213527101
>that someone else could live on
Why would "someone else" have more rights to live there?

>>213527139
Because they actually live there then...
A landlord doesn't live in the homes he rents out. A landlord lives in his home...

>>213527101
>upholds the property right of the landlord. Not the landlord himself
And who pays (very high!) taxes to keep the state and its institutions running? Yes, those " terrible" landlords.

>>213527105
>its so easy and provides no value?
I never said getting a house was easy. Are you deliberately obtuse? I said you have ti work for it and once you reach a certain level of wealth you can trade it for rights of Monopoly so you don't ever have to work again.

>>213527161
Why do you think your right to live in a place is more important than my right to own this place?

>>213527163
Everyone pays taxes. This isn't an argument

>>213527191
Landlords own more so on average they pay more taxes too.

>>213527037
Based

>>213527185
Because I believe the right to live is greater than the right to own shit just to extract rent
>uuhmm but why
Because the former right benefits more people than the latter. It also benefits me. Why don't we use democracy and vote which right is more important

>>213527202
But the taxes finance a system which benefits him, so this an argument for what exactly?

>>213527216
>Because I believe
Thankfully we have religious freedom in the EU so we can have different beliefs and no one else has to share your values.

>>213527202
Landlords dont produce anything, if you get rid of the landlord no weath disappears with him. You can just tax the person who gave rent to the landlord instead of taxing the landlord and you will received the same amount of taxes if not more.

>>213527235
>which benefits him,
It benefits everyone unless you prefer to fight for your home with random thugs every night

>>213527002
Why do you think we feel pity for an unsuccessful parasite? You can burn with the rest of them.

>>213527262
>no weath disappears with him.
It would cause great chaos and instability because it would mean ownership right would be violated while this right is the basis and foundation of every civilized society.

I used to hate landlords too, until I actually had to manage one small property my parents left me. Most people here don't realize how much work and stress it actually involves. It's not just free money, you have to deal with broken appliances, tenant complaints, legal compliance, taxes, etc.

It's always people who’ve never touched responsibility in their lives who scream the loudest about "parasites."

>>213527242
Wait do you think rights is not beliefs? Do you think it is some magical Force that exists outside of our mind? You sound way more religious than me. Obviously, rights are things we collectively agree are rights

>>213526743 (OP)
no, we typically don't have the American format where a single private person is leasing something
they exist, but aren't the average, nor typical, landlord; you will almost always rent a place from a leasing company that owns multiple apartment buildings
when you do have single person landlords, it's usually just one house or so they own that they lease, fit for one family

Even though I have lots of qualms with my current landlord company, at least I don't have to deal with property shit. My fridge breaks, they replace it same day, for example. All I need to be concerned with is not damaging the apartment beyond normal wear and tear. Can't fathom how people have the energy and time to maintain their own properties. Between that and work, you would have zero free time.

>>213527283
Yes, being a landlord, especially one who owns multiple properties, is actually a job. The problem is that some landlords are shitty at their job and refuse to repair and take care of properties.

>>213527202
even if this is true, taxes never take 100% of the revenue. you still get more money out of nothing. ultimately it's the tenant who pay these taxes indirectly.
"MUH MORE TAXES" is a dishonest arguments always used by leeches

>>213527282
>It would cause great chaos and instability
Somewhat
>because it would mean ownership right would be violated
No, it would be because landlords would cause the chaos and instability because they don't want to work. You can get rid if landlords and still respect private property of people that live in the homes they own. You just cant hoard a vital resource and act like a parasite like you can't own a lake of drinking water in many parts of the world.

>>213527282
Thousands, if not tens of thousands suddenly being on the market for the people would cause great chaos and instability? You're not just dumb you're straight up delusional. Are you jewish by any chance?

>>213527307
>Obviously, rights are things we collectively agree are rights
Thankfully our collective agrees with me and not with you since the landlords are seen as an essential part of the economy (they actually are) and their rights are protected by the said collective.

>>213527425
>since the landlords are seen as an essential part of the economy
Name 2 economists that say this, preferably not physiocrats or whatever those french weirdos were called.

>>213527349
>ultimately it's the tenant who pay these taxes indirectly.
Ultimately it's the consumer who pays every tax imposed on whatever good so my this logic a carpenter or a car manufacturer doesn't pay any taxes either because technically the cost of their taxes will be eventually included in the final price of their product.

>>213527425
Most people in this thread seems to disagree with you. I think the problem is that most people don't know that you can disagree. Most people see "landlords have the right to own how many homes they want" as Medieval peasant saw the divine right of kings. Even if they would disagree, they can't do much about it

>>213527396
>Thousands, if not tens of thousands suddenly being on the market for the people would cause great chaos and instability
It would mean people would start being afraid about any other thing they possess. If they stole houses from them today,they might steal cars or clothes tomorrow. People would stop having any trust in their state.

I can see the thirdie flags thinking landlords do nothing, because that's probably true over there
but I don't see why the Swede is fuming

>>213527473
>Most people in this thread
They are not representative for the society which, as a whole, keeps voting for status quo parties and politicians because they understand what would happen if a tenant revolution broke out.

Small scale landlords here get persuaded by real estate companies to put up their rents.

>>213527531
Most peasant would probably agree with you. That doesn't make the divine right of kings a true divine right

>>213527457
I don't need an economist to back my common sense argument, neither do most people if they collectively keep voting for parties that seek to secure landlord rights.

>>213527553
What is a divine right is what the society considers a divine right, simply.

>>213527564
>they collectively keep voting for parties that seek to secure landlord rights.
They dont, they vote for other issues and the politicians don't mention this or they wouldn't be elected and hope it doesn't get mentioned. Are you too, deliberately playing ignorant on the whole shared experience of politicians promising change and not delivering it?

>>213527593
True. But you are just appealing to the state right now. That's cowardly I think. By your logic, everything the state does is just, because if it wasn't, people wouldn't vote for the ruling party

Everyone who is against landlords is simply butthurt that he isn't a landlord even though deep in his heart he wishes he was one. They have no genuine arguments against the current rental system, it's all just veiled moaning about being born in a less successful family while knowing that some other people are more successful. It's basically like a disabled person crying that all other people should have their legs forcibly cut off because why anyone could have it better than him.

>>213527550
What's the logic?
>put up your rent to remove the competitive advantage of your properties.

>>213527675
Dude, I'm a short, ugly incel yet I don't call for a trad revolution and putting all handsome chads in jail even though it would work in my favor because I understand possible side effects of such a decision. My money and my houses I rent out are my only assets so why do you think my right to own a house is less important than someone else's right to stay handsome and attract best chicks?

>>213527743
>A cartel is a group of independent market participants who collaborate with each other as well as agreeing not to compete with each other[1] in order to improve their profits and dominate the market. A cartel is an organization formed by producers to limit competition and increase prices by creating artificial shortages through low production quotas, stockpiling, and marketing quotas. Jurisdictions frequently consider cartelization to be anti-competitive behavior, leading them to outlaw cartel practices.

>>213527712
Why would anyone wish to be a landlord? I think most people would rather just be rich by being a movie star, a rock star, an ice hockey pro or a twitch thot. There's nothing glamourous about being a landlord

>>213527781
>Why would anyone wish to be a landlord
For some reason everyone who has enough money tries that so I guess it must be somehow attractive.

>>213527825
Maybe in Poland where you're either a landlord or a plumber. I don't know anyone who wants to be a landlord

>>213527848
If it was only Poland's thing this thread wouldn't have been started by a Viet and it's main actors wouldn't be a Mexican and a Swede

>>213527778
Dude, you were just born in a poor family, same like someone else was born ugly, someone else - disabled, someone else - stupid etc. etc. We are not equal and will never be. Why do you think YOUR personal problem with being poor is more important than someone else's problem with being ugly or disabled or stupid? Why should the law be made this way to privilege exactly you and your situation over other people and their problems?

>>213527465
yes, but the carpenter deserves the money he got from his work minus the tax. being a landlord is not and has never been a job.

>>213526743 (OP)
I'm renting a house in London (40 meter squared) for 3200 pound per month

What we need is a land tax
We have one here but it's nowhere near high enough and there are too many exemptions

Based thread (except for all the retarded Polish flags unironically defending parasites)

>>213528077
Property taxes should be multiplied by the amount of properties someone has eg:

Own 2 homes - double property tax
Own 3 homes - triple property tax

>>213526936
then go there. it's not hard to find an english teacher job

>>213528107
>Boo hoo how dares he benefit from his money
>B-but me benefiting from my look, youth or ability to work is already fine just because!

>>213527062
>they did create value by offering you a safe place to live
Levels of bullshit never before seen by the eyes of man. The landlord does NOT provide you with a place to live the place already exists. They neither built it nor furnished it nor did anything of worth to it, they just bought the place and rent the right to use it for a monthly price. There would be 0 difference between any landlord owning it or the government owning it instead because neither provides any actual service to the renter they just give you the legal permission to enter and habitate the apartment, no more.

In my country of Egypt for example you can stipulate in the contract that if anything whatsoever goes wrong with the apartment you're renting to someone, you will not be responsible for any damages or repairs and that all responsibility falls on the renter, so effectively you have 0 workload or responsibility to your renter other than signing your name and collecting money from them. You provide 0 service. How low of an IQ do you think the people you're arguing with have?

>>213527777
Youre completely shifting from the delusional point you made that people collectively agree with protecting landlord rights. Now that Ive shown they don't, you go on the explain how you personally reason things, which goes against your initial point that is doesn't matter what you or people here think because im the end is the wide society that decides and they decide to uphold landlord rights (they dont)
>My money and my houses I rent out are my only assets so why do you think my right to own a house is less important than someone else's right to stay handsome and attract best chicks?
Now youre just being stupid and probably deliberately making non sensical analogies.
I never wanted to take you right to own a house away. I made that clear before and you choose to deliberately misunderstand me.
I think every person should have a right to own A home, I believe peoples right to own A home trumps peoples right to own several properties and profit from them. If we must choose one I will always choose the former. But also, a right is only what we say is a right, as a collective we can simply decided landlord rights are not a thing anymore.

>>213527743
The existing tenants will pay the increased rent or the real estate company will find somebody else who will very quickly.
Competitive advantage doesn't matter when there's a housing crisis. It's a landlord's market.

>>213527037
Based

>>213527970
See >>213528150
And why do you have a problem with me explaining how landlords collaborate with each other to raise prices?

>>213526743 (OP)
>Are landlords always, unequivocally rotten pieces of shit in your country?
Yes

>>213528133
>from his money

LOL

>>213528150
>never wanted to take you right to own a house away.
Nah, you're now backtracking on your words now when I pointed out your hypocrisy but it's pretty clear what you and people like you actually want.

>>213528240
I explained here >>213527384
Youre having a melty and cant read

>>213528139
>. There would be 0 difference between any landlord owning it or the government owning it instead
There is a reason communism collapsed almost everywhere

why are polacks such libbed up bootlickers?

>>213528266
Dude, you really don't need to write essays to justify stealing my houses, I know that you want to do this but I will never agree for it no matter how long walls of texts youre gonna type here.

>>213528285
Decades of neoliberal capitalism and America worship (cringe)

>>213528285
We survived communism unlike most commie lovers ITT

>>213527307
>landlords violated my sentiments
Just say this instead. You “believe” people should simply give you things because you want them. There is no meaningful moral argument at this point. “Rights” do not actually exist. They’re just the voice of the mob.
>the landlord violated the command of the angry mob
So? This is often considered noble. Stop appropriating rights language if you don’t actually hold that rights are real.

>>213528298
Youre having a melty, you are fighting ghosts and changing tactics against them.

>>213528321
Yeah. Rights are the voice of the mob. That's why they are real. If they weren't the voice of the mob, they wouldn't be real. You Americans have some quasi religious view on rights like they are the Force in star wars

>>213528360
Okay okay, I'm still not giving you my house for free.

>>213528386
Is not up to me, like you argued before and then ignored your own argument, is up to whatever the voting majority decides and some day they might decide to get rid of landlords.

>>213528373
Rights are real because God is real. Property rights are rooted in the title to the land God gave to the first man, which was divided up between his offspring. This is the original sense in which rights language was used and the only sense in which it is meaningful. Reducing rights to sentiments makes them utterly meaningless. Reducing them to the sentiments of the mob makes the inconstant and sinister.

>>213526975
you're making a lot of leaps of logic here
You don't deserve to be compensated for shit all, it's the market which decides the value, you could be making turds all day long or the most beautiful and sophisticated piece of machinery, it's irrelevant, all that it matters in the context of the free market it's whether somebody is willing to pay for it or not.
Lastly, we have private property, so land lords do offer value as holders of those land's rights.
We can then talk about preice regulation or unfair advantages in accumulating capital in a world where housing is a basic necessity, but that's another discussion

>>213528270
You absolute kike don't shift the conversation from our original subject. The original question was: Why do landlords get to extract rent and have legal rights to properties they don't live in if they seemingly produce no value? You only have to prove that the landowner class DOES provide some work or intrinsic value or any sort of labor for god's sake and you'd win. You've been here for hours and yet you still can't just answer that simple question.

You'll keep shifting the conversation subject to every single other topic rather than the original question and you'll answe precisely no questions about the original question of what landowners produce because you KNOW that they produce nothing and can't admit it. Conversing with you is like arguing with a Jew. Absolutely pointless and will only end with the conclusion that reasoning with someone who's intentionally dense and utterly dishonest is completely fruitless.


Dear Anons If you respond to this creature again know that you've been baited into wasting your time with yet another parasite. I advise you to brush up on your reading of a certain book to remember why dealing with them is futile.

>>213528444
Okay I guess you are just full on religious. Not just quasi. Your argument only holds wayer if you first a priori agrees that your evangelical God is real

>>213528434
>and some day they might decide to get rid of landlords.
Sure, just like some day the beta uprising might force all the women to breed with chinless chuds.
But still, I don't need to support something that is against my interests and I will defend myself and my rights for as long as I can. No need to try to convince me to do otherwise, I won't

>>213528466
I do create value. If I didn't, you wouldn't want to live in my house. Simply.

>>213528471
No point arguing with him. He'll keep shifting the goalposts and changing the subject from what landowners produce to ownership as a philosophical concept to religion to communism and you'll get nowhere because he won't answer your question; he'll just deflect to another question because he knows you're right, but he just doesn't care.

Tl:dr this is bait don't repond anymore

>>213528270
>Ermmm that's communism
Government giving a shit about laws and order is not communism, there's a reason why every country has some kind of price control on farming produce

>>213528471
I’m not an evangelical. Atheism, itself a political response to the Wars of Religion intended to establish to a universally acceptable criterion of truth by reduction and put an end to intellectual and international disagreement, is simply incompatible with civil society. It is a rejection of the first principles of common life. The peace it has not created even if it were real would be peace on unacceptable terms. This used to be common sense

>>213528535
In the same way a ticket scalper creates value then. I mean, if you thought the ticket scalper did not create value, you wouldn't need his tickets

>>213528517
You could say that you would cause great chaos and instability

>>213528564
Pretty much

>>213528466
because maintaining property has a cost, lots of undesirable properties here cost the owners loads of money and are unsellable

keep seething rentlet. I own a few paid off properties and the rental income is more than enough for me to live very comfortably. I might go to your country and pay some women there to suck my dick with my rent money OP how does that make you feel? Btw don't stay up too late being angry the boss man expects you well rested and fresh tomorrow!

>>213528562
This is just gibberish unless you subscribe to your religious beliefs

>>213528641
As for almost everything in life virtually all the people complaining about muh private property here would become landlords if given the opportunity.
Reminds of American commie circles where the line of property and having too much money is always conveniently above whatever they may be earning, be it 60k or 1mil

>>213528650
Atheism, the grand empirical reduction, is not a default human state of being, it is an emergent historical and political reality intended to realize certain concrete goals. It has not accomplished those goals. As a new intellectual foundation for common life it is a failure. You can tell because it has spawned people like you, who think the mob’s will is absolute and no one actually has ownership of anything. This is the logic of violent anarchism. The whole premise of this thread is that everyone should get together and murder landowners. It’s psychotic. Evil. You don’t need to “subscribe to my religious beliefs” to understand what I’m saying. To agree with me, you don’t even need to be Christian. You just need to have a basic conception of deity and understand the world as gift to man. You should be a. Christian, though.

>>213528321
The moral argument is that it's a fundamental need and responsibility of people to live a good life. If you're not living the good life, you're living immorally, and those who deprive you of that are acting immorally. Now, if you think that people don't need to live good lives, nothing is stopping you of depriving the need from yourself and others. But, principally/morally that good life is what people naturally strive for and have a sense of dread or sympathy for its absence.

>>213528738
I can assure you that your religious beliefs are not the default either. You subscribe to a young American form of Christianity

>>213528744
I agree one can use his property immorally. This does not justify murdering that person and seizing and redistributing his property. His property is still his property. There are only specific orderly and procedural conditions under which such a seizure and redistribution would be legitimate

>>213528619
>because maintaining property has a cost
Nope. You bought the property and offloaded everything onto the renter in the contract. You're not responsible for any repairs. Also the government could maintain it instead like it maintains public infrastructure, instead of the dear landowner who would spend a fraction of your rent on maintenance, while incurring no extra costs to you because your rent is now practically an extra tax, which would invalidate the existence of landowners entirely.
>Inb4 you could delete all property rights like this!!!!!!
No because housing is necessary for anyone to live and not the same as the right to own a cinema or restaurant for richfags to fuck off to on their holidays.

>lots of undesirable properties here cost the owners loads of money and are unsellable
I'll assume you're not arguing in bad faith (probably a mistake), this doesn't happen. If the property's net costs exceeded the profits they'd just sell it and find a different property to rent out. They're there to make money landowners aren't philanthropists who do this out of the kindness of their own hearts.

>>213528760
I’m not an evangelical. I’m a Lutheran. You don’t know anything about this country or about Christianity.

>>213528738
Spoken like a true pederast.

>>213528826
Doesn't matter. You believe that rights were granted for god, and you want other people to just accept that at face value before accepting the rest of your line of reasoning

>>213528132
I am worried, what if they'll be racist towards me, plus I can't stand giant insects

>>213528865
Yes, there is a basic assumption underlying my view of the world. That’s how it is for everyone. There is no universally acceptable and functional criterion of truth. Atheism is just flight from the epistemological problem that emerged at the time of the Reformation. Atheism will not put an end to human disagreement. Science will not provide a comprehensive and universally acceptable body of absolute knowledge. It’s a failed project. The difference is that your founding assumptions are fundamentally incompatible with common life in that they encourage violent seizure of property and murder of your neighbors, and are basically incompatible with a more basic and intuitive moral sense we call conscience, that most people have generally accepted ought to have something to do with the way we live our lives.

>>213528806
>Government maintaining property
First of all that it's not free but paid for by your taxes, second of all, they can barely maintain whatever they have right now, also maintaining properties would add an enormous amount of work and burocratic over head.
>this doesn't happen.
lmao, it does, I'm one of them, I have properties and make out 0(zero) profits off of them

>>213528996
>There is no universally acceptable and functional criterion of truth.
Then why should I accept the truth about God and property rights then?
Also, your country used to view slavery as a right. Was your country godless when that happened? Or did morality change?

>>213529041
>why should I accept the truth about God
That’s an enormous conversation. Please look up any number of classic Christian philosophical treatises written to persuade the pagans
>did morality change
No? There was a disagreement about what constituted a right within the same general moral and intellectual framework. Agreeing that rights are real doesn’t make it absolutely clear where the right is in every case. Disagreement about where the right is doesn’t mean there is no right.

>>213529110
(This will be my last post I have to get ready for work)

>>213529110
Again, you are still asking me to accept your religious doctrine. You have to prove that rights exists on their own.
Also this is literally video game logic
>umm america hadnt ulocked slavery is bad on the tech skill tree yet
Either something is evil regardless if it is the 15th century or the 21th century, or you confess that rights and morals change

>>213529110
So Christianity is just an epistemological exercise for you? That's gay, you're a weenie.

>>213526743 (OP)
yes, becoming a rent seeker is culturally encouraged in america and we worship landlords and berate and spit on those who are kicked out of their home due to rent raising, and demand the government send them to prison (its also common for the same people who demand this to kick their kids out once they turn 18, btw)
in america its a common belief that the only way to become homeless is if you are a drug addict/too lazy/some other criminal, and landlords are always justified in raising rent prices, and that the minimum wage of $7 an hour is perfectly fine. housing price drops are fought against tooth and nail (this is why HOAs exist) and there are corporations that will help you raise your rent prices even higher

>>213529187
Does anyone actually make $7.25 in 2025? We have the federal min. wage where I live and I can't find anywhere in town hiring for less than $12 an hour.

>>213529026
Massive L. You can't even be a parasite right and outwit the EU's soft socialist policies. Cut your losses and sell the property unc. Maybe you'll get enough to put into an investment portfolio or Roth IRA and live off the dividens, otherwise it's back to the cagie for you.

>>213529248
its true that most companies pay more than 7.25, but even then that STILL isnt enough to live in most places in america. most landlords require you to make 3x your rent cost, with the average rent being around $1,700/month

>>213528793
Yes, one may act immorally. As for what's 'just', it might be along the same vein of reasoning, such that morality can be ignored for pragmatic purposes. I don't think murdering is a given, but there is definitely a prevailing sentiment for seizing and redistributing. Property is only 'owned' out of mutual agreement among people. It's the unspoken social contract that's weaving the rules and structures of society together--the very foundation/fabric that constitutes society. Sure, it isn't 'legitimate' under current rules and structure, but that doesn't have to be respected if under the same vein that the morality of people does not.

What's the moral difference between a landlord charing rent and the state doing the same thing (called "taxes" when the state does it)

>>213526975
>buy land and rent it out
to rent it out, someone has to build housing on it. To build housing, someone has to invest in a construction company, a risk that they will rationally only take on if they have a reasonable expectation that they will profit from the construction. Therefore the housing has to be rented out or sold at a profitable rate.

>>213529342
Might makes right is the ultimate morality.
We are powerless to resist the state.

>>213529311
We really need a $20 minimum wage.

>>213529508
thats communism BOY, pull yourself up by your bootstraps or have fun in PRISON

>>213529591
Fine then, I guess I'll just rely on government assistance to make up the difference. Oh wait, working class hero Donald Trump is doing away with all that. Guess I'll just die, or something.

>>213529432
You don't have to improve the land to profit from it though. I could buy an empty block of land, call it a trailer park, and people must still pay me money to live there. There is nothing just or fair about this system.

>>213529683
its called tough love bucko, this is america, NO HANDOUTS, if you dont like it go live in CHYNAH o algo

>>213530108
China is looking better and better with each passing year ngl

>>213530170
NOOOOO you cant say that

>>213528131
wait, property tax is not calculated for each property in the UK? you can just hoard homes without raising your taxes?

>>213526743 (OP)
I am a landlord and yes

>>213526743 (OP)
>buy a hose with your money
>someone agrees to live in it and pay rent
somehow you are evil
i dont understand this

>>213526743 (OP)
>landlords
>they're just garbage human beings
they're vermin
if you find out someone is a landlord never speak to that piece of shit again

Why would anyone ever be a Maoist? He's arguably the 20th century's biggest failure. Somehow turned 1.5 billion strong China into an Africa tier backwater and the moment he died they started to shoot up in moneypower. Unequivocal failure.

>>213528077
We need a 100% land tax

>>213526743 (OP)
No, like most upper middle class people they tend to have themselves more together than the average person and as a result are a little nicer and more understanding.
Reminder that all Marxism is born of seething envy and spite and that all Marxists should hang themselves.
>>213526763
Stop being a nigger
>>213526867
No, you all have realized it quite well regardless of income
>>213526912
They think they should have the right to kill anyone who doesn't give them things for free (Marxism is just nigger klepto mentality)

>>213527001
They own the property. It's not yours, it's theirs. They don't have a duty to produce anything with it, and saying they do is, ironically, fascist and capitalist at the expense of free will and free trade. Stop being a nigger.

>>213526743 (OP)
Landlords are evil and greedy. And everyone wants to be landlords. We won’t solve this.

>>213532640
>they tend to have themselves more together than the average person and as a result are a little nicer and more understanding.
Nice and jewy, free of any consequences of creating the biggest crisis of modern times

what's interesting to me in the modern era is that pretty much every single example of macroeconomic planning has been generally more successful than laissez-faire economics and yet people still criticise government intervention in economics, even though it has been proven time and time again in just about every civilised country that the complexities of modern society essentially require some level of government intervention for anything to run efficiently
it's like, how many countries do you know have advanced economies and are well-off but don't contain high levels of government influence?

>>213532764

This but the exact opposite, literally every industry the state gets heavily involved in becomes incredibly expensive and inept (healthcare, housing, education)

>>213532786
of course there's different levels of intervention and a high level of intervention is stifling for innovation, efficiency, etc. but there seems to be a sweet spot somewhere in the middle

>Do nothing
>Charge customer $500 a week for it
What Jew invented this scam? People who have money just get so much more money for free it's insane

>>213526743 (OP)
>nu-commies read in college about Mao purging "landlords" (meaning people that own a gorillion square miles in agricultural land employing thousands of slaves to till it)
>think it's about the boomer they rent the apartment from
I love these little quirks of the English language.

>>213532786
how is state healthcare/housing/education more expensive than private counterpart?
provide one such example

>>213528826
t. Evangelical Lutheran Church of America (ELCA)

>>213532871
>What Jew invented this scam? People who have money just get so much more money for free it's insane
welcome to the concept of a currency that was invented to resolve a temporary event
the next step in the evolution of currency, in my opinion, is one in which currency isn't earned through labour but is earned through something more morally and spiritually satisfying like service to your community
it has to happen within this century or the next

Yes.
Poles are incredibly cucked people because they have allowed the concept of a landlord to return after almost have a century of absence.

>>213526975
What if I personally reclaim the land and then build the house?

>>213526743 (OP)
Filipino landlords are exploitative scumbags. They don't return deposit and look for ways to extort you.

>>213526912
Plenty of countries has laws against property hoarding in particular. The practise of simply gobbling up markets as investments. I support them desu. Countries that doesn't have their national gdp tied up too much in their housing market are rare and far between but they do exist. Everyone should strive to be one of them

>>213532837

The sweet spot is actually very light touch regulation. Not blanket laws, blanket subsidies, any of that, but rather providing legal recourse for the players in the space and punishing the worst offenders. That's it. It's not in the middle it's closer to libertarianism than you're comfortable with, but that's simply how it works. The state can only restrict and divide, not create and grow. It serves a purpose but must be curtailed.

>>213533013

There is no "private counterpart" anon. The space is entirely invaded by state activity. In order to build you have to go through a hundred regulatory walls and kiss 100 bureaucratic asses. You are competing with state subsidized housing. The market is flooded with state subsidized mortgages and financing. You probably shouldn't talk about something you don't understand, it's all connected and there are 1st, 2nd, and 3rd order effects for any state activity in an economic space.

In comparison, the state doesn't build TVs. It doesn't subsidize financing for TVs. It doesn't heavily regulate the manufacturing of TVs. Therefore TVs have never been cheaper.

>>213526743 (OP)
Anyone who bitches about landlords = peasants against the kulacks. Low hanging fruit while the elites get off free.

I'm going to inherit enough to own about 5 properties if I wanted but idk if it's worth the effort really. And it wouldn't even generate that much, before taxes and expenses it's only about $200k annually

>>213533375
>t. MAGA Qoomer "small business owner"

>idolizing Mao
What's up with zoomers nowadays, how did it go so wrong

>>213533494

Our zoomers aren't commies, that's more of a millenial thing, I have a maoist friend for whatever reason

>>213526743 (OP)
Theres a ducal estate by me thats honestly really nice and kept nice to a really high standard. All the villages are like postcard villages because theyre all owned by one person and rented out to workers (at a low rent)

My millenial friend group

>bleeding heart liberals
>redditor left libertarians
>globohomo faglovers
>neocon statist "compassionate conservatives"

my little brother's zoomer friend group
>Hitler
>Goebbels
>Franco
>Pinochet
>Lee Yuan Kew

>>213533494
>people think thing bad
>therefore thing good
I suspect many of the maoists/commies now were also on the "bin Laden was right" bandwagon for the 15 minutes it existed

>>213533343
wrong idiot you can't provide examples because whenever something is provided by the state its always cheaper and all these subsidies and mortgages are just a bandaids for a simple problem that landlords created

>>213532580
>>213533494
Mao wasn't perfect. He made a lot of mistakes but in spite of that he did a lot of good. After all, he was the leader who reunified China after a century of warlordism. He also made great progress in modernising China. He was brutal but ultimately necessary in bringing peace and stability to a country previously ravaged by war and corruption. I mean, what are the alternatives? Chiang Kai Shek? He was just another run of the mill kleptocrat.

>>213533744
>Chiang Kai Shek? He was just another run of the mill kleptocrat.
Communist propaganda

>>213533651

Brother I don't know how else to break it to you, you're a fucking chimp

>>213533744

Chiang Kai Shek was in perfect position to unify China after Japan actually. And Mao let him deal with the brunt of the work before cleaning up and stealing the throne. Imagine Japan/S. Korea style success but across all of China, that would have been Kai-Shek's regime. They would probably be #1 already.

>>213533868
If Chiang Kai Shek had his way China today would be just another developing country plagued by corruption and nepotism at every level. Central planning took China from a backwater agrarian society into a burgeoning industrial powerhouse.

>>213533939
>plagued by corruption and nepotism
Thank god that doesnt happen in modern china

>>213533988
honestly the KMT was known for corruption way more than the CCP is, nobody is perfect but the KMT was really bad in terms of profiteering and corruption. it's one of the reasons why chinese suported to CCP to begin with

>>213533988
Have you actually been there? I was there 2 months ago. When I compare my time in the UK and my time in China, I can definitely say that the streets are a lot cleaner, the infrastructure more developed, and the homeless much fewer compared to the UK.

>>213533452
>t.anti-white brown dick sucker “welfare collector”

>>213534093
Had a friend in china(chinese) who live in appartment with 3 other people with no kitchen. Rents are high. They had to do work in a cramming school which the state then banned but it continued anyway. They dont have public healthcare they dont have health and safety. You can tell me the streets are cleaner but people live like animals there

>>213533939

Central planning crippled China. Mao's death and the rise of liberal economics created the "industrial powerhouse" phase. Mao would have been sickened by China's turn in the 70's and 80's. This is your "idol", a luddite moron.

>>213528386
Of course we don’t expect you to give them to us, that’s why we’re going to vote to take them from you, by enfranchised force. >:)

>>213528517
Also this literally happened multiple times throughout history, just look at any of the Confucian countries and you’ll see a beta uprising that forced women to marry “chinless chuds”, though in Europe they were known as Hapsburgs and had obscene chins.

>>213528535
No, you own value, and at best maintain it, you do not create it. There is a difference.

>>213526743 (OP)
Your local commissariat is a landlord

im a landlord imc
keep seething vietnigger

> have created no value. The only reason I can extract a rent is because the state is backing my ownership of this land by force of arms.
Same thing can be said about the million strong horde of Vietnam's bureaucratic cadres that cringe when their employers come to ask something of them. Yet you lick their boots without hesitation. Curious.

>>213533835
>name calling
cool, I don't have all day to teach a fucking retard how economics work

>>213533343
>In comparison, the state doesn't build TVs. It doesn't subsidize financing for TVs. It doesn't heavily regulate the manufacturing of TVs. Therefore TVs have never been cheaper.
TVs are cheap because the companies subsize it by having every "smart TV" recording your viewing history and selling it to the highest bidder