Thread 213542765

>missed my fajr again
so hard to be a revert to Islam

>>213542765 (OP)
keep trying brother, inshallah it will get easier

I can't understand why anyone would want to be a muslim other than that they are an evil person

>>213544351
Multiple wives
Killing your whore daughter
Hanging troons and faggots
Sending women back to the kitchen
Those are only a few I could come up with in 5 seconds. I'm sure there's a lot more.

>>213544351
Said the statistically likely to be an alcoholic

>>213542765 (OP)
Why?... What would make you convert? Their values are not your western values especially concerning the consomption of alcohol and the dietary restrictions that come with it suddenly all meats become off the menu for you except seafood or unless you buy from a Muslim or Jewish Butcher.
Islam is the same as Christianity as Judaism, sadly none of them are true in the fact that thousands of years later they didn't age well, they're of the nature that either all of it is true or all of it is false, I'll provide an example of money on their falseness, Noah's arc story is shared in the 3 religions, you'd think a global flood 5 thousands years ago that covered all land and kill all living land creatures and it left 0 archeological and geological evidence meanwhile mass extinctions hundreds of millions of years ago both big and small all are know about?

Wise up, even many people here are abandoning it in Tunisia because it's firmly rooted in the 6th century and if we follow this doctrine we'll become backwards and go backwards in a Time where we need to go forward and become strong so no foreign entity ever colonizes us or victimized us again, don't be stupid.

>>213544574
Like many browns you believe forfeiting your religion will make you white

>>213544741
No you Fucking imbecile dumb ass retard, I hate you, I hate all of you for this exact same reason, to you it's all about race, just because I'm a different race you see it fit to dehumanize me, do crimes against me and you see me as inferior, you are a Fucking colonizer, I want my country and my people to become stronger so that YOU can't harm ever again no matter what.islam is says thieves should have their right hand cut, why? Because it seeks to freighten people into not commiting crimes because in medieval times there were no jails, not in impoverished yurop and not in Sandland Arabia where there's only tents and no mads, our modern states punish theft with jail time to reform to give people another chance, to help them see the error of their ways, so that they can turn the corner, Islam is a product of it's time it's medieval it's tens of centuries behind us, same as Christianity and all other Religions, we need to modernize, we need to adopt better systems, we need to become string.

If race is the only framework you see the world through kill yourself immediately because you are life unworthy of life with an IQ of 30, what's the difference between you, who believe in retarded 17th century bullshit """science"""" and those who believe zodiac signs and tarot actually mean something??

>>213544574
>What would make you convert?
to get what you already have and what you want to recklessly get rid of in your race for modernity
you have a trad country but you want a modern one
i have a modern country yet i want a trad one
that's a vicious cycle we cannot leave

>>213545381
Tradition is the corpse of wisdom.
Look at Japan, they isolated themselves for centuries to prevent their way of life from being eroded by white people, all they ever wanted was to be left alone, to live life as they always have, they wanted peace... This self isolation was ended by the US navy to force Japan into opening its markets to the west, that was Japan's wake up call, wake up, modernize, industrialize, embrasse education and the science, reject weakness, reject the old ways that no longer work, do that or else... Do that or have your way if life destroyed anyway by a foreign colonizer who'll mercilessly snuff out your tradition, culture, language, religion, way of life, dignity and honor, all that you'll be a slave at their mercy you'll become weak and powerless for many centuries to come.
You're a fellow post colonial country too, tell me, did you like it when the USSR invaded you, governed you, oppressed you, stole from you, kept you down, and forced their ideology on you against your will?

You want a trad life? Move to the country side and live with like-minded people, I bet you you'll only hate your life more if you double down on tradism while not going somewhere else where you values are compatible with the community you're in.

>>213545652
>ho'll mercilessly snuff out your tradition, culture, language, religion, way of life, dignity and honor, all that you'll be a slave at their mercy you'll become weak and powerless for many centuries to come.
It's not happening in Pakistan

>haven't prayed in years
allah forgive me

>>213545013
>we need to modernize
Ah, you are of the LGBTQMIA?

>thieves get their hand cut
Well, dont steal.
You dont need to modernize, you need to be proper Muslim.

>>213545782
Pakistan has nukes, it's why no one fucked with it.
If Iraq had nukes do you think they west would have dared to destroy the entire country to give themselves contracts to rebuild it and enrich themselves and install puppet leaders that are aligned to then with the sole goal of making sure the west control Iraq's Fossil file?
This is why us thirdies aren't allowed to have nukes, because then European's can't exploit us.

turn to CHRIST
>>213544574
you can actually ignore the kosher meat laws if necessity permits it

>>213545992
Install the monotheism update please

>>213546066
what do you mean?

>>213545992
Dutch anon I want my country to be proud and strong, I want her sovereignty respected and hear dignity high, I want her to be at the forefront of Nation at the international stage, read friedrich nietzsche writings explaining how Christianity is a slave religion and not a master's religion, you will find he's completely right.

>>213546087
Telling a Muslim to change religion is telling him to kill himself, since they can not do that without risking the death penalty.

>>213544741
>being an atheist is ackshually appropriation of white culture
do /int/oids really

>>213546182
he can stay muslim. just ignore the kosher meat if you cant get it. there is some islamic term for this because faith in Allah (fiqh) > laws
>>213546150
Nietzsche got filtered by Christianity. What nations triumphed over all the earth? The most Christian ones. Now we have forfeited Christ and have become weak. To seize the World one ought not be of it, but of Christ

>>213546150
Nietsche lived and died poor, sad and alone riddled with std's
If you pick a philosopher, pick one that wasn't clinically insane you edgelord

>>213546249
It's being an atheist, man. At least here in Tunisia people are open minded enough that I can speak my ideas freely as long as I don't call myself an atheist. I respect freedom of religion and I'm not Bitter at all towards Islam and I actually respect it and its practitioners but the facts are the facts, we don't have a choice, we mut do what Japan did and sooner rather than later.
How's atheism looked on in Lebanon?

>>213546281
Modern historians argue that he probably had a depressive disorder rather than syphilis.
Also so fucking what? His goal was not to get rich he walked away from riches and societal prestige to dedicate his life to philosophy, he was unhappy because the society he lived in was unaccepting of his vision of truth and strength.

>>213546249
Just an observation.
Instead of embracing the hilarious aspects of Islam, like enforcement of carricatures, they reject Islam in hopes of fitting in with the white man.
But they will never be white, they might just stay a Muslim and bow on a carpet multiple times a day instead of ridiculing their bloodline.

(Also impressionable/mena/s think that the West is not religious, while Americans are hyperdevout and will literally shoot each other over religious arguments, but display themselves in media als liberals.)

>>213545909
so I will just move to Pakistan

>>213546392
Poetry is not science.
It is idle talk, as all art is.

>>213546281
>Philosopher was a dumb autist irl
Thats like 90 percent of them

>>213546268
You were powerful because you colonized technologically less advanced people and gobbled up all their wealth for 3 Fucking centuries and you used that money to industrialize to even strengthen your grim on us post colonial countries, thank Fucking god German exists, god Fucking bless it, if it weren't for them dragging Europe TWICE into a meat grinder and completely fucking their Institutions and organizations and impoverishing them your grip on us would've never weakened to the point you'll had to give us our freedom however partial it us.
It's not because you enjoyed divine favor that you now lost, you're completely wrong in that belief.
It's just Germany doing what they have historically always done at the worst time ever on the worst scale ever, god bless them.

>>213546325
people here don't give a shit about actual religion or spirituality. no one will care if you identify as atheist
sects are just political communities that people belong to
you can be atheist but in politics you are still maronite/shia/sunni etc
>>213546400
or they can just think islam is dumb? like do you think browns are incapable of rejecting ideas that they were taught without it being a performative thing?

>>213546424
child rape is rampant here. so don't have kids otherwise there is a high chance that your children will get raped or at least molested.

>>213546430
Be very careful, art and the pursuit of beauty is one of the few things that sets humans apart from barbarous animals.

>>213546570
Shhhh! Shush shush shush!! don't tell him! He's one of those people that prefers to learn from his own mistakes instead of the mistakes of others... AKA an idiot.
So let him fuck around and find out the hard way.

>>213546569
You dont get the context.
It is a group think prevalent in Islamic countries, to associate atheism with progress, which couldn't be farther from the truth.
Most scientists are deeply religious.
And Islam does value science.

It's just that world is shaped by non-muslims too, like the banking sector and interest.
Arabs found a way to run banks and loan money without taking interest.

That is what I am talking about.

>>213546531
actually our (trade) income came from trading in the baltic in staple goods like fish, wood and pelts in the Hanseatic League. This money was continuously reinvested leading to industrial practises.
Indonesia was barely a factor

>>213546574
Purpose defines form.
Comics, paintings, statues, music, poems, do they create something besides taking your time into praising them instead of God.

>>213544402
You dont need to be a muslim for that

>>213546733
Hmmmm! Then Who colonized south Africa, Indonesia, Papua new guinea, and the Philippines? A mystery we'll take to our graves!

>>213546819
>shift the goalpost

>>213546774
You're wrong about the Purpose of art, They communicate ideas and feelings in a way words cannot. Art could be also used to create culture and identity that strengthen nationalism.

>>213546874
Do you expect me to actually believe the noble and honest good dutch people with no blood on their hands earned all their money by selling wood to Estonia and all the colonies they had they owned in name only without having companies and military presence there and they absolutely extracted 0 money/materials from there and made absolutely no profit from having colonies??

>>213545879
>you need to be proper Muslim.
you diaspoora "proper" muslims are the most low iq retards on planet. no doubt that the most violent drooling subhumans jihadis were diaspoora muslims.

>>213546911
If you can not communicate an idea with words, you did not comprehend the subject.

>Muh painting says so much, it makes me FEEL
>see this classical piece, it is named after a river because the horns evoke the feeling of rushing waters!

And what purpose does that serve?
Does it feed a child?
Does it warm the house?
I think not, not even that of the artist producing it, since most died poor.

>nationalism
All Empires must fall.
Nations are construct of days long gone.
Only the New World Order will prevail.

>>213547087
Couldn't find your point amongst all these buzzwords.
Care to try again, friend?

>>213547168
>And what purpose does that serve?
>Does it feed a child?
>Does it warm the house?
I bet you're one of those nonexistent people who are staunch advocates for brutalist building and you show up with your sledgehammer in hand whenever they're destroying beautiful artistic artistic buildings like pic related to build commie blocks on top of them that'll only make the areas low income and infested with drug and crimes.

>>213544741
And they say G*rms have no humor

>>213547322
no point in arguing with him. all of these preachy "proper muslims" are insufferable, ugly and who hate beauty and happiness. they can only destroy.

>>213547168
>>213547322
Also art 99.99% of the time is either commissioned privately by the wealthy or made independently by artists for various reasons, the government and taxpayers usually never foot the bill, are you a capitalist or a communist? Are you suggesting the state should control what private individuals do with their money? and even if, so fucking what if the government builds an artistic building? It must not look unsightly or most people would fucking complain and ridicule, also Will you miss that 3 euros taxed on you dearly?

>>213547435
He's the joke, he as a person is laughable, humor is intentional, don't give him more credit than he deserves.

>>213542765 (OP)
polish muslims be like maszsczallah

>>213547527
shut up sandnigger

>>213547542
The polish language being written in a latin alphabet instead of Cyrillic was the worst mistake since the invention of dick-shaped electric socket holes.

>>213547542
+2

>>213547618
Haw zebbi

>>213547322
Well, Architecture is not haram, that's why most institutions use buildings as their logo instead of living beings.

Also brutalism is great, because it is built in a way, that allows alternative routes, than the engineer has made for the average person.
In most brutalist buildings you could actually scale the building, jump out of a window or traverse a wall, while modern architecture tries to enforce the paths that you can take, and is hostile towards people having a nap.
People should have a nap.

>>213547471
I don't get music and paintings, to me it's just stuff gathering dust or sounds animating people to dance and misbehave. I can't produce it. I have found out that it's also forbidden in Islamic teachings, who would've thunk.

You know what's not forbidden?
Learning how to shoot, practicing useful skills, like cooking or repairing electronics.

Islam is not boring or strict, it is just not decadent.

>>213547469
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I also firmly believe, that the way that you perceive the world, reflects directly in real-time on your personal shortcomings.

>>213547989
>Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
kek, would you call a pile of shit beautiful?

>>213548287
God has made a universe where you poop, and bestowed upon you the fate to live in it. The universe i mean, not the poop.

>>213542765 (OP)
How long have you been in Islam?

>>213542765 (OP)
I am born and all I do is not eat pork and fast. I don't drink really but more out of personal preference.

>>213547087
> "proper" muslims are the most low iq retards on planet.
FACTS and people act like they are the best thing because they converted to Islam. Like no one cares what your religion is.

OP isn't even muslim he's larping

>>213548883
Bitch stop acting like you're a Muslim too.

>>213548911
How am I acting like a muslim
I used to be muslim tho

>>213548976
>I used to be muslim tho
What happened

>>213549000
It's just a terrible religion I never truly believed in it but it was forced on me

>>213547740
Speak human

>>213546424
yes please go

>>213549115
Nique ommek

>>213549099
>never truly believed in it but it was forced on me
What kind of place did you live in?

>>213542765 (OP)
Akhi just accept suqvir in your heart and it'll be easy

>>213549099
did you say the vow?
you cant leave you know that?

>>213549159
>suqvir
What is that

>>213549180
It depends on what he is living in. If he is in a place where his parents force Islam on him he can't leave but since he is on his own he can.

>>213549182
random gibberish I made up to larp as an ummahposter

>>213549149
>What kind of place did you live in?
Here
My household

>>213549180
No I was was born into it

>>213549213
>uh, honey, god might be all powerful, but who will enforce his rules?
omg

>>213549234
>Here My household
I'm glad I lived in a place where there is freedom of religion.

4:30am
Fajr adhan outside
Time for bed

>>213544402
>Multiple wives
>Killing your whore daughter
>Hanging troons and faggots
All of these depends on the laws of your country not your religion.

>>213549519
4chan for you

I won't say that my religion is better, but for me it just works

>>213546716
Thats simply untrue. This binary way of thinking about things accurately displays your low IQ. What a superior race

>>213542765 (OP)
Don't sleep too late. I know you can do it.

Why are there so many muslims on this board