Thread 213549020

Indoctrination in سوتسىيالىزم edition

>What language(s) are you learning?
>Share language learning experiences!
>Ask questions about your target language!
>Help people who want to learn a new language!
>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!
>Make frens!

Read the wiki:
https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

Useful links:
>Free language‐learning book archive:
https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw
>Books on linguistics and language courses:
https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ
>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:
https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua (embed) (embed) (embed) (embed) (embed) (embed) (embed)
>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:
https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH
>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec
>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by family
https://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/
>/lang/ inpoot torrents
https://rentry.org/inpoot
>Refold Anki decks
https://rentry.org/refold

كونا: >>213468200

French edition

segundo.

>>213547666
checked, satan.

i think it's this one in fact: https://djtguide.neocities.org/anki

the one I found on ankiweb was a weird format; the one I linked seems to match what I was expecting. It has kanji, followed by the reading and hiragana and example sentence

Just imagine yourself learning Russian, yes russian, that fucking disgusting, nasty, putrid language. fucking inserting it into your brain. Having that goblin speak inscripted inside your memory.
Now imagine people doing that deliberately to themselves.What have the world come to?

>>213549020 (OP)
Is this Uyghur?

Thru and tho > through and though

>>213549177
After the 14:1 revelation, I put down my Russian books.

bump

>accidentally reset my progress on HelloChinese
我草

Germans are to lazy to make matching subtitles. It's so weird. I don't have this problem with other languages.

>>213552085
Are you watching dubbed shows? I don't know many languages that have matching subs for translated content. Subtitles are almost always created from the original language, completely independently of the dub script.

>>213552085
i really hate this, the french do it too. they often artificially heighten the register or just wholly replace words they don't deem worthy to be written down. retarded and petty. like they can't fathom the idea of doing stylized writing, or i dont know, actual transcription?
do they really feel compulsed to translate and reformulate their own language, spoken by a literal french person? you are not writing a book, you are a monkey with a typewriter who's supposed to write down the sounds you hear. i want to know what's happening in the peanut brain of these caption writers

>>213549020 (OP)
I did the whole pimsleur French course everyday with some immersion. I feel like I jumped from A0 to A2 scratching B1. But now I'm bored with French and I think I'll start the Chinese mandarin instead. What are the odds I'll lose all the French I've learned and have to start from zero again

>>213552603
continue with both anyways
Je crois en toi lil bro

I want to dabble in some meme lang again so bad, I wish im a neet again

>>213554443
just dabble at work
what's your job gonna do?

>>213552603
I’ve been doing Pimsleur Korean and I’m close to finishing level 1 of 5. We’ll see how it goes with such a foreign language. I haven’t done much immersion yet but I bet the biggest weakness will be in comprehension so I’ll need to up it.

>>213552348
Part of their job is to shorten the dialogue so you don't spend so long reading it while other shit is happening on the screen.

>>213544931
>What's the point of learning a language if I can't speak with people irl?
You seriously can't pick a language out of the hundreds of spoken languages in Europe?
The only reason you haven't chosen one is because you have utilitarian views on language. You're a perpetual Jordie.
>>213554443
>I wish im a neet again
this makes me want to pluck my eyes out.

>>213549224
ye s

>>213549020 (OP)
>marks
at şunları çöp kovasına

>>213552348
>>213552085
This pisses me off too and makes me consider purchasing Language Reactor's premium subscription

>>213554443
Learn Old Icelandic and Icelandic

>>213559209
دۇنيانىڭ ئىشچىلەر ئىتتىپاقلاشاليى!

>>213558718
I am perpetual Jordie and can't decide between full dedication to Japanese, German or French (I rejected Swedish, Italian, Portuguese, Dutch). This guy is other Polanon, not sure if he's the same one slandering France. Anyway I don't know what's he's problem. Anyway, I don't know what he's problem is. There is one language he likes, and it's a very popular one. It's not like he has to reject languages that he really likes to

>>213552603
Milk and cereal don't belong together

>>213562295
>I am perpetual Jordie
Fuck you and your VPN.

>>213501317
>>213500538
>I have once again given up on my life's ambitions and returned to languages.
Same, but with equally poor career-wise skills as learning foreign languages like playing the guitar or drawing
>>213562646
I am Jordie only spiritually. I believe that Jorde is finally learning a foreign language.

>>213562817
He is free now. He finally learned when to quit.

>>213562817
Then learn from his mistakes.

>>213562295
I thought I had explained my situation quite clearly. I like the idea of learning spanish, but it's useless here and I feel like I should learn something more useful that I could actually use.

>>213562295
consider this Power Couple: Arabic, Persian, Ge'ez

Please recommend any spanish or portuguese speaking vtubers

>>213563359
Like what, welding?

>>213563673
No, a more useful language, like russian for example.

>>213561073
You're like a hundred years late to the party

Jordie has died and is now in heaven, discussing with God and his Angels which languages he should learn.

>>213563778
How Russian is useful in Poland? Most people from the East learn Polish, and those who don't are construction workers. I mean, it's a nice language, I like it, but still, if you think it's much more useful than Spanish, you are delusional. Even professionally, it is not that profitable to learn it anymore

Do other languages have a word being spelled the exact some but pronunciation makes it have a different meaning?
I'm not talking tones
Like "abuse"
When the S is an s-sound it's a noun
When the S has a z-sound it's a verb
Am I just retarded?

>>213564039
At least there are people here who speak Russian, with whom I can speak that language. Everything else is useless, and only English matters professionally. No one's going to hire you just because you speak f*ench.

>>213564146
Oh there are plenty of places in the US that will hire you cause you speak Spanish
Fucking hate that ugly ass language

>>213564146
I'm sure you have international companies from France (or that have french branches) in Poland where it would be an advantage.

>>213564181
Yeah, but there are a lot of spanish speakers in your country, so it makes sense. Spanish is useful in the USA.
>Fucking hate that ugly ass language
Better than french
>>213564223
Maybe, but you need other skills. Speaking French alone is useless.

>>213564261
>you need other skills
Well duh

>>213564146
>No one's going to hire you just because you speak f*ench.
It's not true. Corporations are happy to hire people with a good German or French. Although this may change quickly, because I hear about mass layoffs, probably Poland is no longer profitable as an outsourcing destination.
But professional usefulness aside. You can use Russian to talk to a hairdresser and small talk to a worker near your home or workplace, maybe to your coworker who speaks Polish anyway. How is it more useful than consuming content online?
Also, I'm sure there are Spanish speakers in Poland. We will probably also bring migrants from South America soon, I guess
>>213564261
Yeah, basic excel and sometimes a diploma.

>>213563951
Wouldn't you be able to understand every language in heaven? i can't imagine having to grind Anki in the paradise

>>213564422
I will not learn fr*nch on principle. I don't like how it sounds and I don't like the people who speak it.
>How is it more useful than consuming content online?
I can already consume the best content online (I'm fluent in English). I'm not interested in learning another language unless I can use it irl.
>We will probably also bring migrants from South America soon, I guess
Yeah, probably some criminals that trump deported. I've already heard about a Columbian or some other spic trying to stab someone. I wouldn't want to interact with them.

>>213564181
There are plenty of bilingual latinos who speak it at a native level so there's no need to hire a gringo who knows some Spanish

>>213564690
My last name ends in a vowel and I have a tan
Fuckers think I'm Hispanic cause they're racist retards lmao
If I could speak that mush mouth garbage they call a language I could certainly get more

>>213564914
What's your TL?

>>213564672
>I will not learn fr*nch
I didn't suggest it. I just told what languages, except English, we can use most often at work in Poland
>I'm not interested in learning another language unless I can use it irl.
As I said before, there are some Spanish, German, French speaking communities here and there, often with events and festivals from time to time - great opportunities to find /int/ernational friends irl. Spain is also quite affordable now. Damn, you've made me want to learn Spanish and Italian again
>Columbians
These are here thanks to the EU and our Business Januszes
>>213564690
Same here with Russian and other East Slavic languages

>>213564950
Thats why you learn some obscure language within your country
Learn Lemko
Doubt there are many speakers of that
Make your own business to grift them

>>213564950
>are some Spanish, German, French speaking communities here and there, often with events and festivals from time to time - great opportunities to find /int/ernational friends irl
There aren't any where I live, but I often see Ukrainians, and I doubt they speak Polish. They definitely speak Russian, though.

>>213564950
>there are some Spanish, German, French speaking communities here and there, often with events and festivals from time to time - great opportunities to find /int/ernational friends irl
That sounds comfy. There are events like that here but I haven't seen any festivals.

>>213564690
This goes for all languages
Your TL is almost always more useful if youre going to move to TL country
In your home country they'll just hire a native speaker

>>213564948
I've learned a bit of Russian and Italian
I'm too lazy and undisciplined to bother most of the time

>>213565194
I doubt I'll automatically get a job that needs an English speaker if I moved to Sweden
Or hell if I moved anywhere in Europe

>>213565111
Then learn Russian or learn Spanish and move out to another place or also stay where you live and build Spanish speaking world around you, idk. We are talking about Spanish, not some small language like Estonian or Komi
>>213564989
No, this is a niche within a niche like, idk, East Frisan, and such businesses require a larger economy and more rampant consumerism (which is why the US made a business out of fucking water cups, it wouldn't have worked in other countries). But I know that people do business here based on knowing Czech or Hungarian.

>>213564614
No, but you would have access to learning material for every language.

>>213549020 (OP)
Uyghur needs to retvrn

>learning a language for work/career purposes
Why wouldn't you just learn something that actually makes money and then learn the language you actually want to learn for your own enjoyment? I don't get it?

>>213566162
Uyghur script is very nice but I prefer the old Turkic script slightly more

>>213566272
Why does it have a bunch of dots?

>>213566431
Oh, maybe stuff they couldn't read if it's a transcription.

>>213566264
>Why wouldn't you just learn something that actually makes money
Like what? To code?
Besides, we spend most of our lives at work, so it's a great opportunity to use the language we like in everyday life. And the other way around: it would be a torture to work in a language and culture we don't like

>>213566431
Not sure, might be for formatting

>>213566473
I think it's quite difficult to find work in languages outside of teaching and translation. I wouldn't want to do either of those jobs, although I do have a friend who is a translator and I guess he likes it. But normally it's pretty rare to find a hobby that can also be a source of income unless you turn it into a business. But then you need to be good at business.
>To code?
Yes. And because I know AI is the next thing that will be mentioned: AI is just another filter, like when spreadsheets became digital, accountants either learned how to use Excel or they stubbornly clung to paper and lost their jobs. Right now is a good opportunity because AI is also a good teacher, you can ask it to teach you how to code and ask it specific questions, it's a lot better than how I learned (searching stackoverflow.com and watching indians on youtube).
Then you just learn how to use it to generate code faster, become good at unfucking AI slop code and turning it into something that works, and you have a career right there. Plus it's a career that can be done remotely from your TL country.

>>213567007
>I think it's quite difficult to find work in languages outside of teaching and translation
SSC and BPO for western companies in Poland with English + French or German + basic Excel. But as I said before, it may end due to AI and the fact that there are cheaper countries.
Still, if there are several foreign languages you like the same, you might as well choose the most profitable one or one with the most OG content or the easiest one.
I have a few favorite languages for their unique or groundbreaking sounding in specific music genres, for the sound or distinctive features of the language itself, for literature, cinema, for niche nerd content, etc.

I understand that money isn't everything, but if your passion is aeronautical engineering or robot programming from childhood, then you can afford the luxury of learning Italian. But if your passions are painting, sewing, dancing, gardening, playing the guitar and baking, then you'll think twice about whether learning Italian is something you can devote your time to, or whether you should think about language learning more strategically. Most people don't like their jobs, they just tolerate them.

https://voca.ro/1a3PXNuxurOj
I feel like a tranny trying xir best to pass, except I want to be American and not the opposite gender.

>>213567748
The main issue I see is that if your relationship with the language is transactional, or if you think of it as "I just picked this language over the others because money" then its harder to make that language part of your soul. Its hard to keep an image of the language as something that you want to listen to every day for the rest of your life and want to be known as "that guy who speaks X".
The people who enjoy working a language job probably chose the language first, because it was part of his/her soul, then ended up with a job using it. But the job was just incidental.
I think to survive long enough to become fluent, you need to want to learn that language so badly that you'd be willing to give up on career opportunities for it.

>>213568475
Then why do you sound like a tranny trying xir best to pass?

Will it be odd for Germans if I sound Scandinavian in accent when speaking German? I pronounce it better by sounding like Norwegian/Swede.

>>213568673
https://voca.ro/1a8YxROrd0OZ
I don't know, it could be because I'm not a smoker.

>>213568815
can you post a recording in russian for comparison?

>>213568475
Heres my attempt, not aiming for any accent in particular
https://voca.ro/11DsFewoqKmH

>>213568869
https://voca.ro/12HmBd1myJzg
>>213568907
You sound good, but the audio is a bit glitchy.

>>213569071
Thanks

>>213569071
Your voice sounds the same in both languages.
This is my attempt:
https://vocaroo.com/1dlXPtrOcQfN

>>213569634
Annunciate that "p" more in past

>>213569828
Arabic has no P sound as far as I'm aware. Not a big issue until you have to say you like pussy.

>>213569828
I guess it should be more aspirated, you're right

>>213569925
It exists in Maghrebi Arabic due to the French loanwords that use it, just not in Middle Eastern Arabic dialects or standard Arabic.
The stereotypical "bebsi" shit Arabic is known for doesn't happen here.

>cultivate massive Anki deck over 6 months
>daily reviews require 2-3 hours of study each day
>stress of doing anki makes me lose sleep and forget lots of words
>FSRS can't adapt to the retard-levels of inconsistency in my recall
>achieve anki hell, endless cycle of no progress
>crash out and delete anki entirely
>start inputmaxxing with a dictionary
>comprehension and vocab recall skyrocket
Anki is cancer past the top 2000 words of your target language

>>213571800
Anon if you make it to 2000 words start consuming media and shit
What the fuck are you doing?

>>213571984
That's what I'm doing now but I had to learn the hard way. I thought you were supposed to collect vocabulary like pokemon cards

>>213572222
Pure autism

>>213571800
Anki has so many failure modes...

>>213571800
>make your own deck from 0
>only add words the second or third time you encounter but don't understand them
>pass on overly rare words, if it's been 4 years and this is the second time you've seen "Fatuous" in English, leave it to context and study more important things
>study never grows past 20 minutes a day, deck remains memorable past cramming sessions
It's a marathon, not a sprint

>>213572995
Good tactic but how do efficiently I track how many times I've encountered a word? I will have to start a spreadsheet and automate it to be imported by Anki

https://voca.ro/1iQwpZaimlPq
This is my German while I'm at it.

>>213563567
For me it's when my beginner news podcast spends a third of the episode on a story about some african singer and most of it is samples of their shitty jungle music

has anyone actually learned a language from pure anki here??

>>213571800
you just did too much, too quickly. Classic mistake. I learn at most 10 new words a day and spend under 10 mins on it.

>>213571800
no pain no gain

>>213573359
It's a supplement. "Pure Anki" approach is retarded, the equivalent of drinking protein shakes without actually exercising.

>>213564134
Languages that use abjads like Arabic or Hebrew probably have plenty of words like that, but that might be cheating since the vowels aren't spelled out.

>>213573601
i've learned 1000 words on anki, i shouldve learned french, something more useful. french is useful all over europe and russia is only good in russia. 1k+ words wasted for nothing man. i watched the youtuber livakivi who did the core 2k6k deck and only immersed when he finished it. french is actually kind hard even though i havent been 1/100 as dedicated to it as i have russian because of the sounds. russian words sound how they look mostly and french looks like ill need to actually immerse but i dont have time for that

>>213573074
I personally wouldn't get too far into tracking like that.
For me when I'm reading and let's say I see the word "cipó" and can't remember what it means.
I'll look it up, see it means "vine", then usually remember
>yeah I've definitely looked that up before
and without much tracking or effort I know it's common enough that's it's appeared a couple times, but also not sticking in my head, so it goes in the deck

>>213573704
You do realize you can just keep moving on forward with immersion and none of those 1k words will go to waste right

I'm NGMI. No matter what language I choose, I can learn grammar, vocabulary, pronunciation... but it's hard to find immersive content that I want to watch. English and Japanese dominate almost all media.
Even if I aspired to watch American movies and anime in my TL, the dub quality varies greatly.
>inb4 Peppa Pig
Peppa is cool, but once I reach a certain level, I want to watch high-quality stuff.
What are the best languages in terms of contentmaxxxing (quality of translations, amount of original content, amount of interesting untranslated content, influence on the pop culture)?

>>213573601
Im using anki as a tracking device more than a memory tool
It gives me a rough estimate of how many words i know, but the real memorization takes place when I read/listen
If id just used anki it would be really difficult to retain vocab

>>213573735
russian is more useless than french. less immersion content to watch. how TF do people say french is easier to learn for english speakers?

>>213573981
Russian is wayyyyyy harder than French

>>213573737
Korean and German have a decent swath of content.

>>213573737
>Even if I aspired to watch American movies and anime in my TL
That's all I do lmao.

>>213574010
in my experience only knowing around 1k words only from anki and hardly any immersion i will sometimes stumble across a russian comment and understand it 100% or a short clip. im really debating learning french and stopping russian but im afraid its gonna be too hard with my method

>>213574144
What's your TL?

>>213574205
German and French

>>213573737
Spanish

>in my experience only knowing around 1k words only from anki and hardly any immersion i will sometimes stumble across a russian comment and understand it 100% or a short clip
I only know about 500 words in Greek and ive experienced that too, its nice
>im really debating learning french and stopping russian but im afraid its gonna be too hard with my method
Honestly theyre both good and relavent languages with tons of speakers and content, especially compared to my TL lol, if youre just learning as a hobby then pick whichever sounds the best to you and interests you the most

>>213574587
I can't decide between Japanese, French and German. I start learning one thing, I change the language, I forget what I learned and I change the language again. There are still stupid ideas and in the meantime I check how to say something in Italian or Portuguese or Swedish for example
>>213574028
Which one is better for contentmaxxxing?
>>213574587
Which one is better for contentmaxxxing? Which one has better dubbs?

>>213574761
hearing some people say they have been learning french for a year and still only understand 10% because of accents and speaking so fast is daunting. personally for me german or french are more useful and easier to learn than russian apparently.

>>213574761
By your TL, do you mean Modern Greek?

>>213575036
French, German and Spanish are known for having great dubs

>>213575282
Yes

>>213575036
holy fuck everytime i come back here when im thinking about swapping languages you're asking what language to learn. lets do this bro. its time for french

>>213573345
What language? lmao
>>213573737
Learn Japanese

>>213575328
How are you finding it? I dabbled briefly and adore the language, but like you say, there's not exactly a wealth of use for it (though Greek cinema is unexpectedly good I must say)

>>213575353
French

>>213575036
>Which one has better dubbs?
I've never been a good judge of this but probably Japanese since there's so much autism around watching anime with the original audio.

Did Jordie finally get back on his meds? How did he manage to finally leave the general after half a decade of indecisiveness?

>>213575170
How is french or german useful in fucking Australia, mate? If you like russian, then learn it. It's no more useful in Australia than french or german.

>>213575384
That's what I thought, lol.

>>213575430
He got a Polish VPN

>>213575437
im leaving this shithole, the only languages that would be useful here are the asian languages but im not learning those.

has anyone here learned french? need some motivation

>>213575372
Its tough, but very stimulating, right now im just trying to build up a core vocabulary of about 1500 words or there abouts, and get a descent enough grasp of the core grammar so that I can start inputting with native content full time
ive been using a combination of graded readers and some grammar guides
Im only about two weeks in so wish me luck lel

>>213575600
France is cooked too. I'd choose some other european country if I were you.

>>213573601
>the equivalent of drinking protein shakes without actually exercising.
lel good analogy

>>213575393
I was asking about French vs German though
>>213575353
I'm afraid it's too hard and Japan is far away
>>213575284
Spanish anime dubs are mid
>>213575600
Anglosphere is still winning. France is ok, but it's a tax hell

>>213575601
The hardest stuff for me at the moment are the articles and the subjunctives, I have an okay-ish grasp of them but i imagine theyll come more naturally with time, im not trying to memorize them too hard

is Assimil German with Ease good? the wiki praises the French one but doesn't mention it for German

>>213575778
>Spanish anime dubs are mid
Better than English

>>213575857
It's alright, but kinda boring.

>>213575170
yes I was surprised watching the Easy French channel sometimes I could barely connect what people were saying with the French subtitles on screen

>>213575858
Still mid. There are some gems. For example in the new episode of DanDaDan Hayashi singers had the best dub in Castillan Spanish, but the whole anime is the best in Japanese and French dub-wise. In other anime, both Castillan and Latam Spanish are usually worse than in other languages. Spanish and Italian are usually hit or miss from what I've checked. German seems ok in Chainsaw Man and Dungeon Meshi. I'm too tired to check others anime
Frieren has hot af voice in English btw

>>213575673
>>213575778
not just france, there are plenty of countries that speak french
>>213576043
damn that suckssss. german sounds like another good language but they speak english and french sounds better imo

>>213576244
What's wrong with Australia?

>>213575778
>I was asking about French vs German though
They're both fine

>>213575778
Btw I'm also interested in Japanese. But I stopped learning it around 2020 and I haven't worked on it at all since then, but my French is already good enough that I can literally just automatically improve ALG-style by just consuming it, so if I manage get my German to that level too then I could start trying to climb the Japanese mountain again. Maybe.

>>213576398
fuck.
And what resources do you use to learn for each language? Maybe I'll decide somehow on which one to focus

>>213576376
expensive as fuck

>>213576244
>plenty of countries that speak french
In Africa, in Europe there's a part of Belgium and a part of Switzerland and that's it.

>>213576591
You're living my dream
>>213576609
this: >>213576635
And Europe is kind of expensive as well.

>>213576593
At this point I just use series, films and anime dubs, and I make anki audio cards (audio front, matching TL text back) whenever there's a line that I don't understand, but I only do that for German now since I don't think I need anki for French anymore.
But I only just started using native content for German recently and I'm still in the phase where it fucking sucks, I'm constantly pausing and rewinding because I don't understand shit.

>>213576593
Oh and I also play video games a lot in German but t-b-h I think it's been too slow

>>213576706
>You're living my dream
You can do it too, just get off this waste of a time website and go JUST DO IT

>>213576706
Everywhere is expensive
Looked at houses / apartments in Turkey, even medium sized cities that arent very cosmopolitan or touristy and holyfuck its expensive
Jews want everyone to suffer

>>213576635
countries where i can use french:
canada
france
belgium
switzerland
luxembourg
. fuck russian.

>>213576706
>>213576635
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_price_level
the countries above australia have a much smaller population. burgers literally cost 20 bucks here

>>213576908
real estate is fucked here. i will never own any real estate. thats why im looking for an out with language learning

>>213576987
All of these countries are expensive too.
>>213577031
Real estate is fucked here as well.

>>213576857
yeah, maybe when I'll stop switching my TLs
>>213577031
>real estate is fucked here
USA, maybe Spain and Portugal or LatAm if you you are digital nomad

>>213577031
Its not better in Europe, especially western.
Youre best bet is to save up money in Australian dollars while youre there and buy a house where your currency is stronger, maybe in eastern Europe
Or better get a remote job with a western salary, then youll live like a king in places like Romania and Bulgaria

>>213576908
Rent was a lot lower a decade ago before the Georgian prophet declared his jihad on all Turks. I don't think we're really representative of the "average" country in prices.

>>213577170
australia is terrible, trust me. 30 dollars for a burger and chips. 1 million dollars for 2 bedroom house, if you want to live cheaper you have to move far away where you cant work anyways. australian culture is loud and drunk. when i drive into my city theres a big sign saying this is aboriginal land with the original tribes name https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_acknowledgement#Australia

most jobs for young people are occupied by foreign students from india, bangladesh, china, pakistan and so might be hard to find because you can hire them for cheap.
think like uk but worse and no one cares about australia so its never in the news. when was the last time you watched an aussie movie or tv?

>>213566162
>>213566272
this is for writing old Uyghur which is a Siberian Turkic language that is completely different from modern Karluk Uyghur btw

>>213577363
lol thats what i planned on doing. thats why i learned russian and i could move there now if i wanted to but eastern europe can be scary. dont wanna downplay anything i said on sweden. you guys are fucked and its such a shame because sweden is so beautiful

White Plumber Shocks Clients with Perfect Uzbek

>>213577513
The USA is probably the best place you could move to. Yeah, they have a lot of problems, but you can still make money there, and you wouldn't have to learn a new language.
>when was the last time you watched an aussie movie or tv?
I don't remember exactly when, but I saw the Mad Max trilogy a few years back.

>>213577931
idc about making money i just wanna live without stress. if i knew polish i'd move to poland.

>>213578053
>idc about making money
>i'd move to poland.
and
>i just wanna live without stress
X fucking D

>>213578053
>I just wanna live without stress
I can relate, I just wanna chillax and don't care about money that much.
>>213578156
Life in Poland can be chill, especially if you don't live in a big city.

>>213578156
the average house price in australia is literally $1034806

>>213578309
Apartments in Chicago are cheaper than in Warsaw and we earn less than Italians.

I'm gonna do my duolingo in a minute

>>213552348
this is why french daunts me. how has it been working out for you?

I went to a Xinjiang restaurant in London today and spoke only Uyghur to them (and a bit of Chinese) and they did not care at all lmao

This is my favorite Hindi sentece right now :

सेब खाओ और चाय पियो ।

Because it gives to me, at least as personal opinion that the *ASPIRATED VOICELESS VELAR OCCLUSIVE* **ख* is often pronounced as vouced glottal fricative *ह*, so it gives a chinese air to the pronunciation.

>>213580189
You were just not white enough I guess. You should look into ways to make your skin whiter, your eyes bluer and your hair more blonde.

i wouldve really benefited if my countrys language had been replaced by english/arabic/hindi/malayalam all those years ago

>>213580659
in Turkey, random Turks would also ask me for directions and other questions, even though I don't speak Turkish and never talked to them first

I have blue eyes and white skin... why do these turks think I'm one of them

>>213580919
Turks are white

>>213580659
Everyone is so impressed when I can wakarimasu a chotto nihongo just because I’m blonde.

im giving up

>>213580674
What is your country and what languages do y'all speak?

>>213581055
I was about to type out "Good." but fucked up the captcha and your post appeared

>>213580919
Blue eyes are very rare here, but that's all. We literally had blondes and gingers in my primary school, there's two blondes in my family too I believe.

Holly fuck, French but also Spanish is so hard to listen to compared to Italian

why is french easier than german?

>>213582262
the browner you are the easier it is

>>213575927
that chart is interesting because I used german with ease, duolingo, and have recently started listening to Slow German and Easy German. for Slow German I put the text of each episode into Learn With Texts, which is like a free lingq (sp?) knockoff. I have been learning German on and off for years. took it in high school and college and managed to learn very little in that time. I'm still only around an A2 or so.

>>213582262
because Romance languages are babby and English also inherited a lot from French when the Normans ruled them

My hatred for Japanese has stopped since i stopped doing my anki deck

>>213571800
You did too many cards too quickly. I did 10 cards per day and the most I ever had to spend on Anki per day was like 40 minutes, and it was usually closer to 30. Now its down to 10 minutes because I'm just doing reviews on my 6k premade deck + the occasional word I mine myself in my own deck.

>>213573074
I didn't do any tracking like that. If I noticed that I saw the same word multiple times, I mine it. If I don't see it enough times to recognize it, it probably isn't that important. And depending on what you use for immersion, it is likely to use the same vocabulary and grammatical points multiple times. I feel like my current VN has used 風俗、営業, 唯、身、身悶え、判る、生粋、and 痴女 a billion times, so I won't be forgetting anytime soon.

>>213582581
time to dabble in Kazakh

>>213583023
I would like to study one turkic language in my life but none are attractive enough sadly

>>213583079
Yakut

french, russian or german.
WHY SHOULD I LEARN ANY OF THEM?

>>213583269
do all of them at once while you still have some neuroplasticity left

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiNlEI1lGw8
>5:28
>"im even afraid of someday japanese becoming like a dead language i dont want that"
>unironically thinking that will happen to the 13th most spoken language in the world within her lifetime
why is gen z like this?

bump

If data is available, wouldn’t it be better to use a frequency vocab list/deck focused on a specific type of content so you can focus on that? I knew one guy who very rapidly and casually became able to read and write specifically about political topics just through watching french content and shitposting on forums.

For my part, I found the Core2K deck, which AFAIK is based on a very broad selection of Japanese media, much less helpful early on than the Kaishi 1.5k and JPDB lists, which are tailored towards VNs and anime in particular.

Similarly, for field specific vocab, I have a feeling people misrepresent the difficulty of reading, say, a legal text simply because the general reading level would be high for a native speaker. It’s represented as if, since natives may struggle with a legal text, that a lawyer trying to read their TL legal text must be C2 in the language at minimum to even get started. IMO a lawyer, for example, could focus specifically on field-specific terminology once they’re otherwise intermediate in the language and do pretty well for themselves.

>>213580267
>Hindi
Why not learn a cool indian language, like Tamil?

>>213586463
Every single Indian needs to go back. They all speak their demented bastardization of “English” anyways.

>>213564690
Besides translation work, nobody hires somebody *just* because they speak Spanish. But it can create opportunity for you. Do you have an employable skill AND you speak Spanish on top of that? It might help.

>company has clients in LATAM
>company needs an IT manager that speaks Spanish
>company is considering expanding into Spanish speaking regions

You never know.

I hate Anki. I also like physical books. I thought up the following for post-5k vocab study.

As a vocab exercise, assuming relative comfort/mastery of the most common 5000 or so words: What if I got a physical copy of the most authoritative comprehensive monolingual dictionary in a given language (think Oxford) and did the following?

1. Open to random word and try to figure out its meaning from TL definition.
2. If I fail, then pick a new word that I do not understand from among the definition and try to decipher that.
3. Repeat step 1-2 until I succeed 5 times
4. Double check the 5 words in a briefer bilingual dictionary just in case I’m way off

I figure this way I would get a ton of analytical reading practice in the language while gradually acquiring new vocab and reinforcing known vocab. Plus, if I pick a really specific/technical word and fail, then having to switch to a word within the definition will tend towards simpler and simpler words until I succeed.

>>213580267
Να φας ένα μήλο και να πιεις τσάι

God, is there ANY thing where French doesn't suck compared to English? Even if you're a pretentious snobby faggot, you can just learn British instead of American.
I mean, it's not the "no language besides English matters", it's exactly the French thing. Spanish, German, Russian, Mandarin are all unique and have their use scenarios, unlike French.
Why the fuck this language still exists? Why anybody learns it? Explain.

God, is there ANY thing where French doesn't suck compared to English? Even if you're a pretentious snobby faggot, you can just learn British instead of American and be set on being allowed to constantly whimper how you're above the plebs.
I mean, it's not the "no language besides English matters", it's exactly the French thing. Spanish, German, Russian, Mandarin are all unique and have their own use scenarios, unlike French which is just English in everything but plainly worse.
Why the fuck this language still exists? Why anybody learns it? Explain.

Like I always go like:
>hmm, prestige? colonialism? Africa? tricky orthography and phonetics? rich literature? etc.? sounds cool!
>wait a minute, it's fucking English over there, why would I need a discount English in addition to the actual one?

>>213583810
Pretty reasonable fear of negrification into english

>>213583810
Japan's population is declining rapidly so it isn't that far fetched (but obviously it won't happen in our lifetime, we'll be dead too).

>>213583810
they are a bunch of trumplings

Idk, maybe nafris are a hidden gem? And everybody learns it to talk to them? Is there some epic Wakanda hidden deep in the Algerian desert?

>>213586463
Looks like southeastasiaslop
>>213589908
मैं ग्रेक नहीं बताना-पढ़ता हँ।

>>213587796
Yeah, but it's the same with any major language. Company can has clients in Germany or France or Africa or Eastern Europe, Brazil etc.It's always good to know languages. And if you don't like Spanish you can learn French, German, even Portuguese
>>213590989
>Even if you're a pretentious snobby faggot, you can just learn British instead of American.
I'm pretty sure you should not learn French then.I have a suspicion that people complaining about the rudeness of the French and their dislike of learners are just such people
>Why anybody learns it?
It's pretty, expressive, cool language that sounds cocky if you are not a pretentious faggot and don't speak with pretentious faggots
Also prestige in Anglophone world
International institutions use it, and France is Europe's second largest economy after Germany, but with a much more developed aviation, rail, nuclear, and space industries, as well as competitively developed in banking and finance sectors , chemical and cosmetics industries. The only real European movie industry
>>213592090
Dude, Nafris and Arabs are in Germany too. A lot of them actually in big but sometimes also in small towns, now they are probably in every small town

>>213580267
I am the last follower of the Dīn-i Ilāhī, Auragzeb and their group of terrorists will never silence our voices, those who died were a generation of saints and Martyrs.

>>213582402
Keep it up, brother. Try spending more time on German, like an hour a day and you're gonna see results in no time.
>>213583269
>French
Because you're a sissy
>Russian
Because you're a Chad
>German
Because you're an engineer
>>213590989
Why the fuck this language still exists? Why anybody learns it?
No idea, it baffles me too.

>>213592503
France is a fifth world shithole with salaries 1.5 lower than in Germany. You're delusional.

>>213592205
και εγώ δεν μπορω διαβάσω χίντι

>>213592205
και εγώ δεν μπορω να διαβάσω το χιντι γλωσσα

>>213592780
Y'know there is this famous Hindi proverb.

"बिल्ली पर बठे कुत्ते पर नहीं।"

>>213583269
If you FEEL a pull towards learning them, then do it. "Reasons" never work in my experience, it takes years to see any kind of tangible external reward from your TL and nothing is guaranteed.

>>213593488
να καθίσεις στην γατα, όχι στο σκύλος

>>213583810
Why are Asians so racist?

>>213575857
The without toil version has a lot of praises online. But it uses old spellings.
Honestly it's better to grind the grammar first. Not that many rules. Makes things much less confusing.

>>213592689
more like 1.1-1.2 times lower but it depends on the job. Still much better than in many european countries. I mean, you like Germany and want to emigrate there, that's cool, but I don't see a problem if someone wants to learn French and emigrate there. Or Italian and live in Italy. Especially if someone is involved in the aviation or transportation industry or idk, deals with some high precision machinery

>>213590989
>is there ANY thing where French doesn't suck compared to English
fun verbal morphology

>>213575927
I like the chart.
- But imo, Langescheidt is the better frequency list.
- You should also grind irregular verbs ASAP. It’s a short list.
- And a grammar workbook published in Germany is better, like Liebaug-Dartmann‘s. Grinding these books is the most straightforward way to learn grammar imo.
- There are a bunch of torrents for German graded readers. But if you don’t want to pirate, DW grouped their texts by level. They have audio and exercises.
- Personally I didn’t find much success from watching and playing games in German. It’s especially annoying since often the subtitle doesn’t match. Germans are a bunch of lazy bastards. Or they perhaps outsourced the subtitling to incompetents.
- I personally recommend Deponia series for games made in Germany that has audio and matching subtitles. Foreign adventure point-and-click like Grim Fandango usually also have great dubbing. Germans love adventure games supposedly.
- I tried watching kids shows like Löwenzahn, but they are so boring. It would be more useful if the episodes have matching subtitles.

don't you hate it when words come up in the wrong language in your head and you can't finish your sentence in your own native language

>finnish uses a dummy verb for negation
it's basically english in disguise

>>213597245
No because english has many words for many things

>>213583810
The real question is why anyone gives a fuck. Languages are a tool for communication. If you love a language so much, write it down. Record it. Make sure other people can know about it in 10,000 years. But why keep it alive if it's not useful to anyone?

What happened to the Venezuelan who always used to post here? I miss you bro

>>213575430
I actually chose a definite language. And I am giving it a try. But I won't come back here most likely, or maybe until I learn enough to be able to make non-A1ish sentences de novo.
No meds, just decided I became too old for the silly going-nowhere rambles.

>>213599494
Which lang did you end up choosing?

>>213599517
I don't want to jinx it, it could backfire. But it's not English accent reduction or Arabic, haha
I haven't studied for 4 days now, but it's ok. I'll just review what I last studied and continue from that point on.

I've accepted that I will always have a noticeable accent in my TL, and this is okay.

>>213563027
I was wrong

jordie literally admitted to maknig up shit and was never actually considering learning a language btw.
>>213593522
lets say i do french anki for 2 years and then full on immersion, i want to learn thousands of words before i immerse. im just so worried because french is hard to understand, btw i probably cant immerse for 2 years because irl shit

>>213599742
like it's so much easier to learn german through anki then french because the letters actually make fuckin sound

>>213599742
Don't wait two years to start immersing. Just start with simple sentences and work your way up slowly. You have to practice reading and listening every day in order to build up your comprehension. Memorizing words is a helpful supplement but on its own it doesn't do anything because you aren't reading and listening and actually building an understanding.

Start with Assimil because it has baby sentences and gradually introduces new vocab and sentence structures. Then move on to A1 graded readers, A2, B1 etc. it's like a ladder where the next step is learning to understand N more new words. Eventually you can handle native content with some lookups and you can chill and enjoy yourself.

>>213599612
Same
I can hear that my accent is off too but im to lazy to correct it

>>213600275
are you only saying its not optimal? similar people like livakivi only did anki for a few years then went all in on immersion and i planned on doing the same. i did it with russian and i just brute forced my way to a thousand mature words

>>213600561
Waiting years is way to long,
If you already know 1000 words you should be inputting now together with scentance mining

>>213600697
you're prob right about that but im giving up on russian for something easier and more useful

>>213599774
Then why not learn German and move to Germany or Austria?

>>213600785
french is just more useful, 1st most used language in europe if not counting english + parts in countries like canada and italy

>>213600924
That's not true. German is the 1st most used language in Europe.

>>213600924
>useful
are you gonna live in france?

>>213601075
doesnt just have to be france it could be any french speaking country or even canada but idk how i could get a visa there. another good reason for french is there's better media, the serbian posted pokemon and they had finnish dubs but not russian!

>>213601251
jesus i'd rather be able to talk to russian people than french people

>>213601340
This

>>213601340
anything is better than an aussie

>>213601663
>

>>213601779
id say thats true for most language learners. just look at the learnjapanese subreddit, 750k people

>>213601823
The Japanese are impressed when white guys speak their language at a B1 level. The French will treat you like a subhuman if you don't speak with perfect grammar and accent.

>>213601926
Then just speak with perfect grammar and accent

>>213601926
how do Poles treat people learning their language?

>>213583269
lingua gallica est fēminīs et virīs
lingua russica est virīs et fēminīs
lingua germanica est virīs fēminīsque

>>213602099
If you actually want to learn french, I would recommend the opposite. Speak with the heaviest accent possible, just to spite the french.
>>213602195
I've only met Ukrainians who speak Polish. They usually speak quite well, with the occasional grammar mistake or mispronunciation. I don't start seething and constantly correct them. I appreciate the effort.

>>213582262
German listening is way easier imo. French read is however babby tier, especially stuff like the news because so many of the words have english cognates.

What's your guys' language score in your TL?

>>213602350
Quam linguam igitur censes viris honestis convenire?

>>213602785
my language doesn't have a score

>>213602394
>ha, I pronounced it incorrectly, take that pierre
Okay, buddy

>>213603260
>Quam linguam igitur censes viris honestis convenire?
virī honestī hastās iacere et saggitās mittere amant, certē? linguam zuluanam putō

>>213602785
74 but I barely use it anymore and only do a lesson a day

>>213602785
25. But I stopped using Duolingo seriously once I got around A2. Now it's just one of the resources I use. Usually if I have to wait somewhere for a few minutes I'll whip it out.

I'm somewhere between A2 and B1. I'm practicing speech with AI, I might have to get a language exchange partner or service soon. The AI is a lot better than nothing, but I think it's limitations kinda shine through on complex tasks like this.

>>213599742
language is more than memorizing words
you need to immerse/start listening to your language from day 1

>>213604466
>>213604470
I was mostly rage baiting, but I started using it this summer after doing basically only immersion and anki for a year or so. I like it as a supplement and I do think the repetition helps. I use a plug in that lets me type my answers too which makes it way better imo.

native lang is useless

>>213604631
Honestly I think it gets over-hated. It's really good at getting into the basics, at least. I don't think everyone knows that each section has a lesson to read, I feel like the lesson text is one of the best parts. Yeah, nobody is going to get fluent using Duolingo for 5 minutes a day. But it definitely has some value to learning.

>>213604631
I'm thinking about just doing the end of unit tests to jump ahead

>>213604670
It is what it is. You already speak English so what else do you need?

>>213604795
I agree that it's a pretty cool tool for absolute beginners that lets you understand how a language works and see if you really want to actually get into learning it. But after a month or two it becomes absolutely fucking useless, and you get new words and constructions very rarely.

>>213604393
>virī honestī hastās iacere et saggitās mittere amant, certē?
Ita putas? Equidem sclopetis vel pistoliis uti mallem

>>213605412
ita, sclopeta pistoliaque bona sunt, arma omnia amō. virī honestī fortasse linguā anglicā ūtuntur, ceu vērus armentārius cum pistoliō ad latus.

>>213604795
Why anyone would bother clicking through all the ads and gamified non-sense just to get 5 shitty sentences when they could easily just open a book or watch a video and get 200 sentences with zero frustration, is beyond me. You could get through 1000 sentences today that are at your level if you just bothered to look for other resources. It's not even ignorance, it's like Duolingo tards are afraid of "serious" resources, as if it's going to hijack their entire life, so they waste hours on a dogshit app instead.

>>213606403
Certe lingua Anglica caballarium decet, praecipue qui Occidentalem partem Americae habitet. Fortasse et paulum linguae Hispanicae, dummodo barbarice pronuntietur

>>213604814
ya I do that sometimes. The sections are a bit too bloated imo sometimes

>>213604670
Make it not useles.

Has anyone here made serious use of the FSI or DLI courses? How useful are they if you're not using them 7-8 hours a day as intended?

>>213601779
>>213601823
Its actually the opposite with Japanese. Most learners, excluding the Dogen types of course, don't care about sounding native, they mainly care about being able to understand the language, having enough speaking proficiency to visit, and having semi decent pronunciation. Anything more than that is 面倒くさい

>>213601926
And this. Put the barest amount of effort into learning the language and Japanese people will appreciate it.

>>213608860
the Headstart courses are way less time investment. Try those out first.

>>213288302
no, russian
>>213507083
>>213512673
fk off were full

>>213608909
Aiming to sound native is a fools errand. We don't know how to do it reliably, we don't even know if everyone can achieve it in theory in adulthood.
You're setting yourself up for disappointment if you do that.

>>213610190
don't learn Russian

>>213602350
huh? wtf is that and why I understood?

>>213602785
8. Mandarin

>>213610285
Latin you fucking retard. The mother tongue of Europe.

>>213583269
Spanish

I have 80 reviews to do tomorrow.

>>213610285
sī vīr indicus nōn es, cūr scīs

>>213613034
at the height of my hsk6 revision I had like 170 reviews and 40 new cards per day

Could anyone with knowledge of Mandarin tell me how good this guy's pronunciation is?
https://youtu.be/fI6a7aYSKlc?feature=shared
He never claims to have good Chinese, but people constantly compliment him in his videos.

>>213613852
not very good, but understandable. His phrasing is very English-influenced and he gets some words wrong (he said 毛巾 instead of 墨镜 for sunglasses lol)
people will compliment you for your Chinese no matter how basic it is, it's simply Chinese culture to compliment people, especially guests, a lot (i.e. say you are handsome, so clever, so amazing, so 厉害) which gives laowais and expats main character syndrome and may lead to them doing stupid shit

I got just as many compliments on my Chinese when I went in 2017 and could barely order in a restaurant as when I was there in 2024-25 and basically fluent

>>213614267
>people will compliment you for your Chinese no matter how basic it is
He's said this before, and he usually responds by denying when he's told he speaks well.
I just started learning, so it's hard for me to tell when tones are truncated or simply wrong when I hear a non-native speak. Thanks for your asessment

>>213614408
That’s how you should respond with all language related compliments IMO. Always undersell linguistic ability and you will consistently impress. Overselling will lead to consistent embarrassment.

>>213614267
How good was Laoshu's Chinese at his peak? Can you check one of the last videos of his?

>>213613736
>170 reviews and 40 new cards per day
How is this possible? At 40 new cards per day I would have like 1700 revisions daily.

What anki deck did you use? Sentence mining?

>>213614804
who?

>>213614749
agree, unless you are applying for a job, in which case you are fluent

>>213614897
I mean 40 new cards and 170 cards to review. I used a premade hsk6 deck and suspended all the words I already knew. I only tested myself on recognition, so it was easy to learn a card after seeing it like once or twice.

>>213615010
https://youtu.be/OlsClroe_-w?feature=shared&t=38

>>213615110
oh, his accent and intonation is good (definitely better than the other video), but I can't really judge his vocabulary and phrasing from just talking in a restaurant

>>213615187
He also spoke Cantonese

>>213615324
not watching anymore of those videos, they will infect my yt algorithm

>>213614749
>That’s how you should respond with all language related compliments IMO. Always undersell linguistic ability and you will consistently impress.
>>213615010
kek this
75% of the time when I see foreigners talking in China they always say "it's okay it's okay" or "I just started" or 不是不是 when they get complimented
definitely one of the first things I learned

>>213615397
Don't worry, they won't be any more new videos.

I vill bake new thread. post an image to use for the next bake

>>213615646
here

>>213615697
Merci sehr

NEW: >>213615902

>>213615397
just watch it in proivate mode