Thread 213573247

>Be Ottoman Empire
>Govern non-Muslims peacefully for centuries
>Give them all the rights they wanted.
>Be excessively tolerant for centuries
>Be hated for it by the non-Muslims
>They invade your lands in Europe and genocide your people for it
Really makes you think

>>213573247 (OP)
didn't you guys intermix with the mongols so you could have a stronger barbarian empire

>>213573286
turks are greek/bosniak/armenian/kurd/arabic. theres no slant eyed people in anatolia.

>>213573548
I impregnated this guy's sister btw
t. black man

>>213573548
im trans btw i don't know if that matters

>>213573247 (OP)
do you learn those lies in school

>>213573647
hes repeating turkish propaganda. kemal worship seculars believe this type of bs too btw. imagine what kind of stupid lies turkish muslims believe.

>>213573647
The Ottomans were pretty humane for their time. They were contemporary to the spaniards that destroyed a continent’s worth of cultures for example.

>>213573247 (OP)
>Hungary's population in 1400: 3 million
>Hungary's population in 1700: 2 million
Geee I wonder what has happened. Also the Ottoman cringe is the worst of all empires. Romans had law, Franks had cathedrals, Brits ended slavery, Americans gave us the internet, Russians put the first man in space. The Muslim Empires greatest crime is that Islam hasn't contributed to the human civilization at all. Name a single achievement created by Ottomans.

>>213573739
kebabs

>>213573730
They completely destroyed Anatolia's cultures Mehmet

>be turk mongol savages from steppes
>invade anatolia
>rape and kill so hard that you make them speak your language
>convert to islam so that you can rape and kill in the name of god then go around subjugating other people like greeks and armenians
>enslave them for centuries
>it all falls apart eventually
>be bankrupt in 2025

>>213573739
wake up babe new genocide just dropped

>>213573739
Nigga the Ummayad and Abbasid caliphates pioneered mathematics, medicine and other sciences. There is a reason why algebra, algorithm, alchemy etc are arabic words. The numbers we use are arabic. As for the Ottomans Europe got coffee and innoculation from them.

>>213573795
There were still sizeable greek and armenian populations until the chaos of the 19th century happened.

>>213573795
>They completely destroyed Anatolia's cultures
Greeks did this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolian_languages
>While Hittite attestation ends after the Bronze Age, hieroglyphic Luwian survived until the conquest of the Neo-Hittite kingdoms by the Semitic Assyrian Empire, and alphabetic inscriptions in Anatolian languages are fragmentarily attested until the early first millennium AD, eventually succumbing to the Hellenization of Anatolia as a result of Greek colonisation.

>>213573247 (OP)
Where did all the wealth you stole go?

>>213573247 (OP)
>Govern non-Muslims peacefully for centuries
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

mudslime subhumans cannot coexist peacefully with anyone.

>>213573247 (OP)
Everywhere this place touched it turned to shit, even Anatolia and the middle east. The Ottomans were by all accounts a civilizational black hole and thats why its hated universally.

>>213573730
>t. diaspoo-rat

>>213573247 (OP)
>Give them all the rights they wanted.
cant ride a horse award

>>213573739
Coffee, I suppose
However we took that and made it better

>>213573910
None of that is true lmao even the numbers aren't yours.

Greeks and Hindus pioneered everything that later Europeans took as a base and no, the handful of arab translations were entirely meaningless, with almost everything being done based off of direct Greek to Latin translations.

Not to mention, it was you subhumans who led to science being delayed for a few centuries by ravaging the entirety of the Levant and North Africa.

You could read academic works like "Rise of Early Modern Science" by T. Huff to understand why science will never have arisen in your subhuman societies and that the worst to ever have happened to the indigenous peoples of MENA was the scourge of baalworship (islam).

>>213574025
Iberia under Al Andalus was 80% Muslim and 20% Christian
Iberia under Castillans was 100% Christian. Muslims forced to convert or massacred.

islam, muslims and intelligence and science cant go in the same sentence

>>213573247 (OP)
>>Govern non-Muslims peacefully for centuries

>pay the buck tax or get broken

>>213574214
It was 100% Christian before they invaded and 100% Christian after they got kicked out, what's the problem?

>>213573247 (OP)
>this is what Turks actually believe

Whew.

>>213574186
I guess all those europeans were translating arabic works to latin for fun then you absolute braindead faggot.

>>213574379
yeah they were, the origins of the names were unknown for a while

didn't the ottomans steal children from non-muslims?

>>213573730

> impaling of enemies
> falaka
> blood tax

Ottocucks were animals

>>213573730
Spain was exceptionally totalitarian for the time because of centuries of Muslim influence.

>>213574214
You can find a PDF for free online to educate yourself.

>>213574379
Again, the translations had no impact - most stayed in islamic circles and scientific progress kick-started when all the Greek texts flooded Europe from the Byzantines and many Greek to Latin translations were done.

You subhumans try and pretend that you were anything but a parasitic plague of marauding savages.

>>213574236
Jizyah was the least of the problems.

Islamic subjugation forced subhuman conditions on Christians and other non-muslims, effectively making us third class citizens, quasislaves.

But even with the jizyah payment, they had a religious mandate to make it extremely humiliating, forcing people on their knees for hours pointlessly, etc.

>>213575509
Ottomans, as the rest of the mudslimes, were disgusting animals. They literally have no choice, islam obligates them to be such.

Spain was the contrary of inhumane, it was the first Empire to ever hold extensive discussions on the welfare and well-being of the inhabitants of the new lands (e.g: concejo de indias), promoted marriage instead of widespread rape (as the muzzies do), etc.

This """""Spaniard""""" is a jeet. I will bet my life on it. I see him in literally every thread related to Muslims.

>>213573247 (OP)
The degree of oppression was comically evil, non muslims werent allowed to ride on horses for example, only on mules, whats the purpose of that even?

>>213576018
I don't know the point either but how is it comically evil?

>>213573247 (OP)
You taxed us in to slavery for 3 centuries. You literally sold the throne to who ever could extract maximum tribute for you

>>213573247 (OP)
>Govern non-Muslims peacefully for centuries
They enslaved every non-Muslim. They literally raided my country and dragged everyone away as slaved. Literally depopulating the whole island.

>>213573910
You got that stuff because you were in the middle between the orient and the west

>>213576018
>A tug (Mongolian: тyг [tʰʊɡ], Turkish: tuğ, Ottoman Turkish: طوغ ṭuġ or توغ tuġ) or sulde (Mongolian: cүлд, Tibetan: བ་དན) is a pole with circularly arranged horsetail hairs of varying colors arranged at the top. It was historically flown by Turkic tribal confederations such as the Duolu (Tuğluğ Confederation)[2] and also during the period of the Mongol Empire, and later used in derived Turco-Mongol khanates. It was also used by the Ottoman Empire, a state which was founded by Oghuz Turks.[3] In the 17th century, it was also adopted by East Slav paramilitaries, the cossacks and haydamaka, under the name bunchuk (Ukrainian: бyнчyк, Polish: buńczuk), which is the reflection of the original Common Turkic word bōnčuk. It is still used by some units of the Polish military.[4]
Probably heritage from being steppe nomads, horse are for warriors and conquerors o algo

>>213576111
Its part of a lot of pointless rules that were just made to be evil.

>>213573773
>fried meat with vegetables
Whoa

kek reminds me of this pic

My grandma is from Anatolia, so I guess I'm basically Turkish

>>213573247 (OP)
every race is beautiful even the turkish one

>>213575936
Nope, but I basically just come to 4ch to shit on the baalworshippers.

>>213575936
Now, in the paki bin

>>213575537
Yeah I bet a seething beaner is definitely more reliable than the whole scholarly community.

>>213575537
I read 12 pages into this and its a very biased book

>>213575537
Who the fuck claims Moorish Andalusia was a "paradise"? The straw manning title alone tells me everything I need to know about this """""historian""""" and his book.

Truth orbital blast:
Europeans have an unhealthy obsession with making everything Ottoman related look as bad as possible. This thread alone is a good example. The empire was in strong decline by 1850 and died over 100 years ago but people here sound so mad youd think ottoman soldiers raped them personally. Its rent free - the empire. But not all europeans, only the balkan people and the devout christians.
The empire acted within moral expectations of its times, its laughably to apply modern standards to them and then argue thats what makes them evil. By that logic every european empire was evil. None of them were evil, in those times conquering was not an inherently evil concept. Europeans being the conquered doesnt give them the right to act like it was some insane crime against humanity. Grow the fuck up.

>>213574186
>and Hindus
Good to know the Spanish superchud is in fact an Indian. Always knew some larping subhuman was behind shitting up all discussion threads

>>213579452
That goes too with al-Andalusia. A big part of Spain's national mythos comes from the Reconquista so they are not objective about it or going to say kind words about al-Andalusia.

>>213579452
lol

>>213579645
>third part
Ha ha no the Greek mainland was a depopulated shithole for the entire Byzantine era.

>>213579645
>waaaa waaa waaaaaa bad things happened to us like every other group in history but we were special victims please nobody must ever forget about how some random ottoman officer stole 3 sacks of wheat this is much worse than anything in history not even genghis khan and tamerlane combined could do such evil we are the biggest victims in history we dindu nuffin greeks are moral gods we never did thracians or native anatolians wrong but always us victim :(
Sick of this mentality. Some chinese will tell you about how 30 million of them were murdered in a war and not attach any emotion to it. Meanwhile europeans (and many non europeans) talk about 17th century wars like they were personally there. Get over it faggot youre not a victim. You win wars and lose wars

>>213579822
You could try telling that to Poles still going on about a Swedish cavalry regiment that looted their village in the 17th century.

>but they stole a door frame and raped two 13 year old girls like 350 years ago ffs

>>213579822
>Some chinese will tell you about how 30 million of them were murdered in a war and not attach any emotion to it
I wish that was actually true but if you ask them about what the Mongols did or the Japanese occupation in 1930s-40s...ha ha oh boy.

>>213579898
Yes thats my point. Europeans are way too obsessed with wanting to be victims in history. Nobody cares about what happened to your greatgreatgreatgreatgreatgreatgreatfathers cousin. Fuck off. I dont give a shit about what some nobody ottoman commander did in a random greek village 300 years ago. Why would i give a fuck about any of this. Win your wars next time.

>>213574219
Anon, the persians during the golden age alone did more for science then all croats in history multiplied by 1000. Lets not be too biased here. A croat especially shouldnt be talking shit like that

>>213580022
Tesla was Serbian before starts.

>>213579898
now you might say ok the Soviet era yeah that's something millions of currently living people experienced but being butthurt about the Deluge or that shit...

>>213580051
I know. I didnt want to mention it because it implies theres an actual argument about it outside the heads of croatians. Nobody but them thinks tesla was croat

>>213579645
>375 years of nothing happening
>Constantinople was a backwater after the 4th crusade and was then rebuilt by king cockroach Mehmed II
>it was holodomor tier please believe me
>armies have to... eat? AYYYYEEEE THIS IS A LITERAL GENOCIDE
>conveniently leave out that Janissaries were responsible for Janissary recruitment so it was literary Greek and Serb soldiers abducting Greek and Serb children
>just like in based Nippon!!!!!1
>meanwhile 20th century
>Greekoids running amok killing ever moslem they can get their hands on because... uhm... le blood tax which had ended 300 years earlier
>get their asses kicked after being handed eastern Anatolia on a silver plate
The Greekoid screams out in pain as he stabs you.

>>213573247 (OP)
You stole their fucking children nigga

>>213579452
>>213579822
>>213579978

This Italian poster is probably a nafri on disguise or has a Muslim gf, that's the only reason. Everytime the ottomans, the Arab empires of the Middle agenor any other shit about Islam is brought up, this fag is always first in the line to come and lecture everything about muh good Turks and that is all revisionist history. Do not listen to him.
Smettila di postare ste stronzate

>>213573247 (OP)
The exil of turks in Europe is justified and should have been more thoroughly

>>213581271
He probably is a Nafri, but is he wrong? The Ottoman Empire was nowhere near as cartoonishly evil as many Europeans make it out to be, especially for the time. I get it, human beings aren't always rational and emotions tend to get the better of us. If I was Balkan, instead of British, I'd probably hate the Ottomans with a fiery passion too. But I'm not, which allows me to look at the history of it with relatively neutral, objective eyes. Medieval Turks were not the bloodthirsty supervillains that many seem to believe, or at least want to believe. If anything, that's giving them too much credit.

>>213581271
Impressive too assume this much about me just because you dont like the content of my post. Let me play your game.
Youre a homosexual argentinian immigrant who lives on welfare, you have no friends, your parents secretly wish you were never born and shift topic whenever you are brought up. How much of it is true and how much is random bullshit made up to cope?
Does it bother you when posts from an Italian dont match up with your worldview? And why should anyone listen to (You)? Who in the world do you think you are telling others who to listen to and posting an italian phrase? Fuck off clown

>>213581370
South Tyrol is Italian and nobody cares about a glorified offbrand german village pretending to be a country

>>213582118
lol but yet we are infested by your kin who would rather live here and Germany instead of the shithole named after a bird

>>213582559
Sorry i dont talk to slavs larping as german living in a made up country the size of a football stadium

>>213581547
Youre talking to an immigrant cuck larping as an italian

>>213581547
For the time it was pretty enlightened on religious toleration while in most of Europe you either practiced the state church, moved somewhere else, or died. Many of the Balkan nations didn't mind how the Turks didn't give a shit about Christian heresies and also let them practice polygamy.

>>213582597
but you just did cockroach larping as humans and speaking of made up how it's not like the Turkish """"culture"""" is just greek persian and arab culture blended into diarrhea skinned mystery meat called turks lmao everyone but pakis look down on you lmao

I'm trans btw if that matters

>>213582684
Spain was the worst. Absolutely Orwellian.

>>213582559
>>213582718
>lmao twice in one sentence
How thinskinned you gotta be to get this mad

>>213582718
2-1, austrians still obsessed because the wannabe nation hasnt been relevant in centuries outside of winning the annual pan european inbreeding and sheep raping contests (20% rat dna on average)
>213582825
My sibling parents have a combined 193 chromosomes and i was violated by both of them as a child btw if that matters

If I don't get any (you)s your mother will die in her sleep tonight

>213583224
This but your own mother lets make earth a better place

>>213583224
welp. rules are rules.

>>213573247 (OP)
>mudslime is lying fuck
Yes, it really makes me think that your kind is invasive pest.

>>213583836
>tf
>tp
Holy fuck

>>213578816
>appeal to majority
>appeal to authority

>>213583860
Go back achmed

>>213583890
>another zigger vermin
Why must you infest good countries

>>213580595
>>armies have to... eat? AYYYYEEEE THIS IS A LITERAL GENOCIDE
Yes literally, why should anybody care about them?

>>213582955
Ok luigi, can't wait to see you seeth when Istria and Dalmatia are mentioned

>>213583910
>Wanting browns out means loving Russians
What level of cope is this? Out with you, filth

>>213580022
croats gave you tesla
>>213580051
>>213580138
yeah but croats are catholic serbs tho?

on a real note yes croats definately contributed a lot especially in chemistry and physics but obviously there are no big names from a country that peaked at 4.5 million, the biggest achievement of croatia is that the croatian people managed to keep existing since the 7th century despite hungary, venice, ottomans and serbia all trying to exterminate them.

on the other hand serbians only nobel prize winner is a croat and their biggest figure was born and raised in croatia which is also probably the only reason the guy could read and write. guy spent a whopping single whole day in serbia kek.

The ERE died in 1204, the remaining 250 years was just gas escaping the corpse.

>>213584050
>is that the croatian people managed to keep existing since the 7th century despite hungary, venice, ottomans and serbia all trying to exterminate them
Meh I think Georgia and Armenia are up there in the running. They were razed to the ground with 70% population loss six, seven, eight I don't even know times.

>>213583998
Idgaf about these places
>>213584028
Cope harder you dirty cockroach. You and your diarrhea bloodline will never be human

>>213574214
>Muslims forced to convert or massacred.
And this is good thing.

>>213584235
>Cope harder you dirty cockroach. You and your diarrhea bloodline will never be human
You defend turkroaches and islamists.

>>213584235
Ofc I'll see you there

>>213584324
They also live rent free in the heads of smrds and make them leak from their neoclitties in rage

>>213584336
Im just laughing at a russpig using invaders as a slur like you scum didnt start the biggest war in europe since ww2. Hang yourself

>>213579645
This also happened in France and there were 0 muslims involved, the devastation of Lorraine is unknown because christians did it for example

Forced conscription, peasants resorting to eating grass, armies ravaging everywhere they pass to fight the spaniards/austrians, all that was very common

>>213573247 (OP)
cool

turks some of the strangest brown pot bellied midgets
Schrodinger Turk
>we raped all your ancestors enslaved you then genocided you and you deserved it yes we were conquers
>We loved our the countries we occupied we literally let you walk all over us look at the viziers and janissary's and yet you still betrayed us the Balkans was the most developed part
either you were conquers or cucks who would let your subjects fuck all of your women to maintain your lines on a map

>>213573247 (OP)
>be kurd/armenian/syrian
>seethe every day online about turks
>get put into camps and die
KWAB

>>213573247 (OP)
Is that what they teach you shitskins?

it's surprising you guys are still going with this thread

>>213573247 (OP)
Ah yes I recall reading about their peace missions in the Balkans.

>>213587407
Turkish nationalism is institutionalized schizophrenia that was made up in the 20th century.
Truth is that they themselves are the descendants of the Ottoman slave class. The few Turks who could trace their lineage back to some Bey or a big shot Sipahi are literal faggots renting out hotels and apartments to Syrian refugees while living in New York or whatever.
Turks are a slave race.

>>213574025
The Ottoman Empire was the best thing the Middle East has had. Wouldn’t be all the problems in the region today if it were still around

>>213583836
>tf
>tp
Ziggers are incapable of honesty