Thread 213575242

Did you know Czechoslovakia once had this tail thingie and then after WW2 Stalin chopped it off and added it to Ukraine for no reason other than that he could?

is that what happened to your penis

>>213575242 (OP)
it was full of what's today considers to be ukranians

>>213575242 (OP)
Did you know that Hungary occupied and annexed it in 1938 but nobody knows or cares because 99% of the focus goes to German annexation of Sudetenland and the other 1% is Russians using Cieszyn for whataboutism
Matter of fact Hungary stole territory from almost all their neighbours right before and during WW2

>>213575242 (OP)
Educate yourself
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcarpathia#History
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpatho-Ukraine

>>213575242 (OP)
>posting a thread about Eastern Europe and what clay rightfully belongs to who
Now you done it, OP.

>>213575531
We liberated our land from the Slavic colonizers. Sadly the evil Western imperialists won the war and Stalin annexed it.

>>213575602
desu hungary had a biggest claim to transcarphatian region because tho's lemkos rusins are less close to ukranians than ukranians are to russians

>>213575531
>stole
It was rightfully Hungarian THOUGH

>>213575531
>>213575679
because it was part of hungary before??? nobody is talking about italian annexing italian territory from croatia

>>213575683
technically Poland also swiped a piece of Czechoslovakia in 1938

>>213575683
>>213575722
By this logic all of WW2 was justified from everyone's POV because every village was part of 15 different countries if you go far back enough
That's why we don't do this "I am le main character" bullshit in Europe anymore

>>213575722
>because it was part of hungary before
Just like Bohemia was part of Austria and Danzig + Posen part of Germany. Sorry about Warsaw though that really didn't belong to us xD

>>213575839
>That's why we don't do this "I am le main character" bullshit in Europe anymore
Well, maybe in /ex-yu/ anyway.

>>213575839
i just told you why nobody cares about it also ehnically it was more hungarian than ukranian before ww2

>>213575860
>.t turk ahmed immigrant in germany who knows 0 history and tries to larp as a germ

>>213575645
he knew exactly how to get a 200+ post shitstorm going. next he'll try a thread about Balkan clay and who's the rightful owner of it.

>>213575860
>Sorry about Warsaw though that really didn't belong to us
Actually...

Also point out that Vilnius was disputed between Poland and Lithuania in the interwar period.

>>213576135
Really makes you think

>>213576135
ummm,,,, actually germany was only "created" in 1871

>>213576176
wilno was polish retard

>>213575839
>That's why we don't do this "I am le main character" bullshit in Europe anymore

Well, Putin does anyway.

>>213575679
>lemkos rusins are less close to ukranians than ukranians are to russians

>>213576262
here comes the cope that all orthdox eastern slavs are now ukranian... almost like russians are saying about ukranians....

>>213576308
>no u
Come on now

>>213576262
didn't he got kicked out for corruption? how ukranian of him

>>213576308
that's what always happens when >>213575645 is brought up

>acsually this clay belonged to us since 4000 BC
>you are actually our people in denial and we have to forcibly assimilate or genocide all of you
welcome to Eastern European diplomacy enjoy your stay

>>213575679
Rusyns are actually closer to Russians than to Ukrainians.

>>213576176
>>213576213
Fun fact: Poles basically did in Vilnius what Russians did in Crimea in 1914
Some Polish niggas on the Lithuanian side rebelled and seceded from Lithuania and declared independence and then Poland annexed the "Republic of Central Lithuania" and made it a voivodeship of Wilno. Litvins never recognized it until 1939 but most of the world shrugged

>>213576547
>Rusyns are actually closer to Russians than to Ukrainians.

>>213576603
>1914
Kek 2014 of course

>>213575666
Slavs were there before Hungarians

>>213576603
>Litvins never recognized it until 1939 but most of the world shrugged
they didn't exactly have a lot of time to complain about that before SHTF anyway

>>213575242 (OP)
my understanding is that that place was a totally backward rural shithole still in the Middle Ages so nobody really wanted it

>>213576603
>Fun fact: Poles basically did in Vilnius what Russians did in Crimea in 1914
no, it is totally not the same, because no one recognized Vilnius as part of Lithuania in 1920...except for Soviet Russia. It was no man's land after the October revolution and collapse of the Russian Empire so Lithuanians didn't have any more rights to this land than we did

meanwhile all of the world, including Russia, recognized Crimea as part of Ukraine in 2014.

>>213576603
It wasn't from the lithuanian side, it was literally a Polish division that pretended to go rogue and captured the city.

>>213576692
Hungarians did want it because it was their main source of wood (it's a mountainous, forested region)

>>213576176
it wasn't disputed because for dispute you need two sides to be at conflict while Poland wasn't engaged in any conflict, Vilnius was ours just like Warsaw or Kraków
and what Lithuanians thought was irrelevant to us
if Polish govt suddenly started claiming that Illinois is part of Poland, would it mean that it automatically becomes "disputed land", even if the US simply ignores these claims and shrug its shoulders? obviously not

Crimea was another thing that got just arbitrarily assigned to Ukraine by Moscow at some point without an adequate historical justification for it.

>>213576728
>tfw we did "ich tam niet" little green men before it was cool

>>213576811
>if Polish govt suddenly started claiming that Illinois is part of Poland
is this an inside joke because Chicago is Polish diaspora central?

>>213575242 (OP)
I don't get why Stalin didn't leave at least Uzhorod for Czechoslovakia, it's weird to have a city just right on the border, especially that Ukraine already got Mukachevo which is of similar size

>>213576829
You can buy Polish uniforms in every military shop.

>>213575602
Give it back

>>213576817
Having a high % of Russians in Ukraine was an advantage for Russia because it mean influence over the whole country, and strong political presence due to large pro-Russian population.
Decrease the % of Russians and Ukraine breaks off from Russia, which is what actually happened.

>>213576836
it was my point
let's assume that Polish govt used that as an argument
but it would be ridiculous and the US probably wouldn't even respond to that, which means we wouldn't be in dispute because for a dispute you need two parties to be involved. Same with Vilnius in the interwar period, it wasn't a question for Poland at all, because it belonged to Poland and was formally part of Poland, recognized by the League of Nations and all important countries. And one-sided Lithuanian claims were totally irrelevant to us.

>>213575531
Did you know that your country stole land from Czechoslovakia by cooperating with the nazis, just because it could?

>>213576914
he literally mentioned Cieszyn in his post

>>213576817
they also didn't mention that Crimea tried to secede from Ukraine in 1993

>>213576890
You forgot the part where the US staged a coup in 2016 and elected a former actor that played the president in a Ukrainian tv show. Otherwise yeah sure, it's a nice buffer zone.

>>213576854
I think it looks fucking ugly because the border doesn't follow the Carpathian mountains. It's a perfect example of Stalin fucking with the map just because he could.

>>213576931
Sorry I was busy seething at some unrelated shit to read his post properly

>>213576947
>2016
So after Crimea, just like I said.
>and elected a former actor that played the president in a Ukrainian tv show
I remember how Russians praised him.

>>213576990
I wish Wanda Wasilewska had been better in bed with Stalin, maybe she could have saved Lviv for us...

>>213576947
so big deal we also did that to you in 2000 installed a EU puppet government and dismantled your military. what about it?

>>213577040
>not recognizing Sashen'ka the Faggot
ngmi

>>213576603
This is standard Chudding out behavior fren.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rauracian_Republic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Mainz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Bouillon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subalpine_Republic

>>213576990
Ethnic border rarely follow mountains, ethnic groups often settle both sides.
> It's a perfect example of Stalin fucking with the map just because he cou
It actually also makes sense strategically.
Soviet tanks don't have to cross the mountains to go into Hungary and the Pannonian plain.
They are already in Muhacevo in a more lowland area.

>>213577106
gibe back Elsass-Lothringen?

>>213577129
was there any special reason why Stalin took Cernauti from you or simply he wanted to have some territorial gain (especially that Romania was his enemy)?

>>213577040
But still not EU and still 98% Serb and 99% orthodox. Seems fine over here.

>>213575602
This is a region Ukraine invaded, it was not Ukrainian until a few years ago. Fuck we need to stop funding your imaginary slop state.

>>213576610
I get what you mean, but I can understand them better by listening than Ukrainians.

>>213577257
I don't remember clearly but some people on TV in the early 2000s also said about something vague about a geostrategic reason, to push the border as west as possible and Soviets to have easier access to the countries here

>>213576653
Germans were there before Slavs so it should go to Germany. Celts were there before Germans so it should go to Ireland.

>>213576182
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Germany

>>213576811
We were in conflict with both Lithuania and the USSR at the same time.
>German occupational forces retreat back to Germany after WWI
>Polish militias take over the city briefly before it falls to Bolsheviks
>Polish forces kick them out in the eastern offensive before Lithuanians arrive
>actual war with Lithuania breaks out over it, western mediation leaves Vilnius in Poland
>in the mean time there's also a Polish coup attempt in Lithuania meant to basically turn Lithuania into a vassal state
>also an anti-Lithuanian uprising in Suwałki breaks out
>then Bolsheviks start a counteroffensive and take the city back, making a deal with Lithuania where they hand the city including the entire region to them just to have them out of the way while they fight Poland
>after getting BTFO on the Vistula they start a panic retreat east
>western peace keepers tell advancing Poles to not start shit with Lithuania again and leave them be
>Piłsudski orchestrates a special military operation in Lithuania by telling some Polish troops to take the city while claiming they're acting completely on their own
>the city is taken over and a Republic of Central Lithuania is proclaimed, like one year later its parliament unanimously votes to be annexed by Poland
We did a lot of weird shit in the interwar period.

>>213577797
>both Lithuania
we could be in general conflict with them but the point is that Vilnius was no man's land, Lithuania didn't have any rights to it or at least no more than Poland
we couldn't invade Lithuania by taking Vilnius over because Vilnius simply didn't belong to Lithuania

>>213577303
nobody tell him the average population age there is 45 and most young people have emigrated to Germany or whatever by now

>>213578097
>Average age is middle age
Wow, crazy.

>>213577994
It's hard to say what belonged to anyone shortly after German soldiers left. I don't think this is a good point considering Lithuania was trying to reestablish itself just as much as we did.

>>213577797
You should read about the plebiscite in Western Poland during this period. Then you would learn about who the evil actors of history really are (anglos). They let Germans falsify results and bully you guys because they (wrongly) thought the Germans were weak. And we falsified them too but the other way around to limit the damage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1921_Upper_Silesia_plebiscite
You hould

ok

>>213578257
Oh I know about that. The "Giving Silesia to Poland is like giving a watch to a monkey" statement is quite famous. It's funny how the anglos wanted a stronger Germany the second they beat it and lost millions of people doing so, just for it to instantly bite them in the ass.

>>213578489
Yeah, well put. They couldn't get off the high moral ground (maintaining the so-called balance of power, along with gross misconceptions about said balance of power), even after having lost 1.1 million men.

>>213578489
The real reason was actually "giving Silesia to Poland will make their sausage game too strong, they already have kabanos and polonez".

>>213578894
Anglos be like
>so yeah these German guys just fought basically every power in the world at once almost single handedly for 4 years, lets just let them get stronger again so they can start asking about getting back the minor things we've peeled away from them
Napoleon should have won.

wasn't there some dispute with Bulgaria over that part in the southeast?

>>213579241
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Dobruja
People don't seem to care that much nowadays.

I'm going to post it again but it's unthinkable how fluid the land is east of the Rhine, nations come and go and you coquld find your nationality changing overnight or be expulsed less than 30 ought years ago.
Meanwhile in Spain we have settled on our borders hundreds of years ago.
Why don't ossies value blood and soil? Karelia got ripped out just like that, Prussia has ceased to exist, Crimea, a whole region just overtaken in 2014. It's crazy you are all just steppe pipo

>>213579983
the last border change in Iberia was in 1808 when the town of Olivenzia was transferred from Portugal to Spain

>>213580044
Yeah and that's just a cool little factoid nothingburger nobody gives a shit about case in point. It's not like Portugal suddenly is an exiled people or France invades Catalonia. All these meme scenarios are genuinely unthinkable, possibly because we are so geographically well defined and forged our clays in the funny 800y rapeathon wars.

>>213579983
Not even the Middle East, Africa, Asia have had that many border changes since WW2.

>Middle East
>Israeli conquests 1967
>Yemen reunification 1990

>Africa
>South Sudan independence, Ethiopia occupation of Eritrea 1970s-80s

>Asia
>Vietnam unification 1975
And that's pretty much it no other border changes of any importance.

our most kino territory... gone in an instant... turning it into another boring irrelevant shithole... for no reason at all...
kárpátalja, I miss you dearly...

>>213580044
Why are you mutts so retarded? As we say in French: turn your tongue seven times in your mouth before you speak (here, write). The congress of Vienna was in 1815 and before then the French-Spanish border was literal bordergore.

>>213580044
>>213580309
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouches-de-l%27%C3%88bre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montserrat_(department)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A8gre_(department)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ter_(department)

>>213575242 (OP)
The Ukrainians should give it back desu

>>213580044
pretty sure that's not even true, didn't Napoleon annex Catalonia or some shit?

Did you know we just looked on while all you shitskins killed eachother ans then we for a while became the worlds richest country supplying everthing you retards needed to build your bombed up shit back up

>>213581194
have you thanked europeans for buying your shitty bombs?

>>213581194
You only did that because you lost your empire before anyone else.
Bitch ass no balls.

>>213576182
1990*

>>213581194
Didn't you lose the very last battle of your fag history to us and put a French general on the Swedish throne?

>>213575276
Fpbp even if no one wants to admit it.

>>213581194
And yet Sweden is still the 2nd poorest country among the Nords, mogged by everyone but Finns. Curious.

>almost 100 posts
Yep knew where this thread was going.

>>213575242 (OP)
He should have made a Rusyns government desu

>>213575242 (OP)
>Prussia
>Today belongs to Russia
Really makes you think

>>213585760
A funny historical outcome

>>213576829
Actually it was very en vogue back then. We did the same to germs in Klaipėda.

>>213575276
Freak = bodied

>>213586963
It was actually very close to reality in 18th century during the 7-year war when Russia already occupied Prussia, just the Russian tsar withdrew from the war and returned to status quo because he was a Germanboo (why tf would you be a -boo to a country you managed to beat and defeat?)

>>213575242 (OP)
We know. Ukraine received so many gibs from us it's unreal.

>>213589376
>why tf would you be a -boo to a country you managed to beat and defeat
Because he himself was German lol. The last Russian Tsar was 1/128th Russian o algo.

>>213577401
Did these guys look like any Rusyns you have met?

>>213589738
so why do you insist to subdue them so you have to give them even more gibs? do you realize that if Ukraine ever falls into the Russian sphere of influence, you will have subsidize them with insane amount of money to rebuild it and to make Ukrainians like Russia so they don't rebel again?

>>213590842
>make Ukrainians like Russia so they don't rebel again?

They lack fighting men now and they are in a fight or get executed situation. When Zelensky gets replaced I can't see them wanting a repeat battle.

>>213589376
Smt smt global power controls.
I still would have preffered to have Constantinople tho, but we got cucked here.

>>213575242 (OP)
Yeah

>>213575679
There are almost no lemkos in our Zakarpattia though
>>213576308
And they were mostly greek-catholic
>>213576817
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taurida_Governorate
>>213576990
It was a convenient place to launch invasion from, like in 1956.