Thread 213587376

Where my Civilizational Cradle bros at?

>>213587376 (OP)
SumerianGODS nodiff

>>213587376 (OP)
Why do they look like homos though?

>>213587376 (OP)
>those muslim/Arabic names
lol

>>213587376 (OP)
That Minoan mf zesty as FUCK.

>>213587376 (OP)
>nearly all of them white
damn

>>213588014
>white
>every single one of them is actually a shade a brown
Begone nafri retard.

>>213587376 (OP)
ya lookin at over 100,000 years of uninterrupted culture and civilisation right here ya white dog captain cook cunt

>>213588014
We wuz...

Why is Minos the selected Greek polity and not Mycenaea?
Also
>No Israelites

>>213587376 (OP)
Nice jpg

>>213588204
The jews themselves say they come from Egypt

>>213588226
I think that if Minos has a placement there, being a vassal of the Myceneans, then the Israelites are more than worthy of a placement. But this image is retarded anyway

>>213587376 (OP)
Inpoos valley was pakistani/indoaryan you pajeet

>>213588733
lmao, the Indus Valley Civilization existed long before the Indo Aryan migration. The IVC people literally moved away from Pakistan and into India. The closest related groups of people to them today are literally all Indians. In fact, South Indian Dravidians are more related to them then North Indians or Pakistanis.

I see you around here acting like an attack dog for your Arab masters. Didn't know Pakis get that benefit too.

>>213588158
why'd they give the abo woman a white face with the fat nose.

>>213588204
The Minoans aren't Greek.
>No Israelites
The Old Kingdom and Sumerian city states existed 2000 years before they even existed.

>>213587376 (OP)
Looks fucking gay

>>213588158
>>213589440
You guys couldn't resist

>>213588389
You are the most retarded gorilla nig. The Minoans started out as independent and when they were conquered by the Myceneans the culture was already on the decline. When the Minoan civilization collapsed the Israelite one was not even founded yet. Minoans and Myceneans deserve to be on this list, not the Israelites.

>>213588733
The Aryan invasion sacked and destroyed the city, it was settled most likely by the Dravidians.

>>213587376 (OP)
none of the modern peoples have anything to do with those guys

to claim heritage from them is complete larp

>>213587471
tumblr art

>>213591181
Modern people didn't come out of nowhere though, you still trace your lineage back to them and others, no matter how diluted the pool might be.

>>213589488
Israelites are iron age lol.
Even if you believe their religious fairytales that means it was created around 1200BC, during which the Canaanite city states were still ruled by Egypt.

>>213588014
>>213591181
Asterix and Obelix coping hard rn

they were all white and aryan

>>213588223
Yo thanks. Couldn't find a better one though I tried.

>>213587376 (OP)
Bump

>>213587376 (OP)
btw that "minoan" oufit isn't real and is most likely depicting a woman

>>213587376 (OP)
for me it's Knossos

>>213587403
>SumerianGODS nodiff
mfw

>UUUUUUUUUUDRREEEEEEAAAAAAAAH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUcTsFe1PVs

>>213587376 (OP)
Why do they all look so very gay?

>>213587376 (OP)
>Minoan civilization

>>213587376 (OP)
>minoan as it's own craddle
>not mesoamerican
>that fucking hand
fuck aislop

>saaar we were civilised saar pls notice us saaaar

why are you pajeets like this?

Don't know if any american cultures should be included seeing as how the entire hemisphere never left the stone age

>>213595480
Come on

>>213595901
Built of cut up rocks with rock tools and defended with rock weapons

>>213595901
Tenochtitlan, the capital of a continent wide empire, was conquered by just 1000 spanish men. That's how techologically behind they were by the XVII century.

>>213587376 (OP)
You can't convince me peru is there other than for diversity reasons. They are not relevant for anything at all.

>>213591181
We have genetic samples from the myceneans and they cluster closest to modern greeks and southern italians as you'd expect. I expect it would largely be the same for the other people living in the areas of those old civilizations

>>213588014
We wuz

>>213588204
Minoans pre-date the arrival of the Myceneans by centuries and they heavily influenced early Mycenaean Greek culture

>>213596402
You are the sea peoples shut the fuck up

>>213588226
No they do not you fucking moron. They migrated to egypt.

>>213596704
Meds now

>>213596205
*with thousands of other indigenous allies they recruited to overthrow the Aztecs

Matchlocks and pikes were not instawin buttons. They intentionally convinced the vassals of the Aztecs to rebel, replacing them with the Spanish at the top of the hierarchy.

>>213587376 (OP)
cradle of civilizaion is a meme concept, but if it werent, the minoans are completely out of place

>>213594746
>>213595380
>>213597805
He's cute and valid, chuds

The Minoan civilization (c. 3000–1450 BCE) was an advanced Bronze Age society centered on the island of Crete in the Aegean Sea, famous for its palaces (like Knossos), maritime trade, vibrant art, and possibly the myth of the Minotaur.

However — it’s not considered a cradle of civilization in the same way as Mesopotamia or the Indus Valley, because:

It didn’t develop in complete isolation — Minoan culture was heavily influenced by older civilizations from the Near East and Egypt through trade and contact.

Writing systems like Linear A (still undeciphered) seem to have developed after contact with Mesopotamian and Egyptian writing.

Agriculture, metallurgy, and many urban concepts were imported rather than invented independently.

In short:

Minoan = advanced secondary civilization built on the achievements of earlier cradles.

Cradles = primary civilizations developed agriculture, cities, and writing independently.

>>213599271
Do you guys want to take away the only European representation...

>>213589488
>The Minoans aren't Greek.
In the same sense as Turks aren't a mix of Armenians and Greeks

>>213589258
>oday are literally all Indians.
kys jeet
these results are from lundian side of ivc

>>213600105
How about Hittites instead?

>>213600348
So who are the Pakistani populations closer to IVC than Indians? I don't mean that there aren't any, almost all South Asians descend from them and obviously Pakistanis too but aren't they closer to Dravidians? That's just what I said.

>>213588733
The IVC happened before the Indo-Aryans showed up. The Dravidians only traveled Westward after the Indus dried up and the Gangetic plain became the next best expanse of fertile land.

>>213600721
>>So who are the Pakistani populations closer to IVC than Indians?
Punjabis, Brahvis and Sindhis.

>>213600807
KEK

>>213600855
The IVC was between 3300 and 1300 BC. The Indo-Aryans showed up around 1500 to 1000 BC. There could be, at most, 200 years of overlap however their arrival likely occured after the IVC had fallen into decline hence the mentions of the Gangetic plains and its rivers extensively in the early Vedic-era texts as opposed to the Indus

>>213588158
abbos are mesolithic, they dont fit the definition of "civilization". including them is anti-science, you fucking nazi.

>>213588733
they werent indo-aryan or indo-european you dumbfuck monkey nigger

>>213601028
My point is IVC wasn't fully lundian. Millions of Dravidians exist in Pakistan. Lundia wants to take credit for everything. They'll mold studies in the favor of themselves.

>>213599271
>Jealousy from the lack of mesoamerican representation in a lineup of gay tumblr men art

>>213595074
iltam sumra rashupti elatim!

>>213596205
>>213596186
Read a dictionary, Niggers

Your bar for civilized if very low.

>>213601272
You're changing topics. The Fijian was talking specifically about the racial origin of the IVC-people, who are mostly closely related to Dravidians.
>millions
Completely untrue. The number of racially Dravidian peoples in Pakistan is minuscule compared to their overall population. You could talk about Dravidian migrants from the Partition, however those people immigrated from India less than a 100 years ago and largely from Southern India far from the Pakistani border. Maybe you mean the Brahui who are linguistically Dravidian but racially are heavily intermixed with Indo-Iranian peoples like the Baloch and more closely resemble Indo-Iranians than pure Dravidians. Having a token handful of Dravidians isn't the same as having an actual population. No one is saying IVC-sites didn't exist in Pakistan, OP's illustration literally mentions Pakistan before India. However, if we're speaking in strictly racial terms it is fair to say that Dravidian populations in Southern India are far closer to the IVC people than those in Northern India and Pakistan. That said, almost everyone on the subcontinent has Dravidian blood in some measure, so I don't understand what the big deal is.

>>213602046
>>Completely untrue.
Let me tell you about your country. Kill yourself jeet.

>>213596765
yeah as herders not as civilised people dumb protestard

>>213602370
>Nooooo you can't just call me out for lying
dialate

>>213602539
>>Nooooo you can't just call me out for lying
all of our millions of christians are dalits. plus there are millions of muslim dalits which we call them musalis, chamars etc. Imagine sitting in murica defending anglo invented bharata ideology. A despicable jeet rat.

>>213600300
they arent greek because they didn't speak greek, retard

>>213601155
Who gonna believe you Ranjeedh

>>213603275
The Baloch are Indo-Iranians

>>213599271
agriculture is much older than any civilization, it's what turned hardened hunter gatherers into the 5'7" monkeys who needed to be near cities to survive.

>>213587376 (OP)
I like how the Greek looks like a flaming faggot

>>213603317
And you're not

>>213602858
Are you retarded? Your Christians and Dalits aren't ethnically Dravidian, the former are lower-caste converts from Punjab and Sindh and the latter are Indo-Aryans. Even if you're trying to say they have more Dravidian blood, that's still less Dravidian blood than people like Tamils or Telegus.

>>213594844
Oh, hi Viriato

>>213603560
Iranian farmers aren't the same as the Indo-Iranians

>>213603693
Lol, lmao even. Disgusting hinduvta nigger

>>213600855
haa toh pencho punjabi India mae bhi hai naa
plus sindhis and kuchhi gujaratis are genetically similiar so Indus valley civilisation stands for both India and Pakistan
and if we follow the logic that most IVC sites are in pakistan then by that logic the Seluecid empire will be Afghan or Greek?

>>213587376 (OP)
>Norte Chico Civilization
if you included that you may as well include Cucuteni-Trypolye civilization

>>213587376 (OP)
>Ancient China - China
Does nothing, Wins

>>213603646
>Viriato
we wuz celts n shiet