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Anonymous Slovenia No.213621721 >>213624094 >>213628832 >>213628850
Basque
I just learned that this language isn't Indo-European. Weird.
Anonymous United States No.213621778
You should honestly just finnish them off lmao
Anonymous Australia No.213622723
as with finnish, estonian and hungarian
Anonymous United States No.213624094 >>213624142 >>213627387
>>213621721 (OP)
It's not related to any other known language.
Anonymous Australia No.213624142 >>213624180 >>213625973
>>213624094
more than likely related to the language the pre-indoeuropean speaking sicilians used to speak
Anonymous United States No.213624180 >>213624233
>>213624142
But we don't know anything about that language, do we?
Anonymous Australia No.213624233 >>213625973
>>213624180
I thought i saw a video somewhere, maybe it was actually estruscan idk
Anonymous Spain No.213625973 >>213626218 >>213626511 >>213627297
>>213624142
>>213624233
I've seen claims it's related to the extinct, non-Indo-European Iberian language.
Anonymous Spain No.213626218 >>213626306
>>213625973
Well duh, the basques were just the pre celtic indog-european Iberians.
Anonymous Spain No.213626306
>>213626218
Still interesting, imo.
Anonymous Spain No.213626511 >>213627297 >>213627696
>>213625973
Pronouns, numbers and locations are not good enough to claim relation between languages. Bordering languages from different language families can use the same vocabulary for many places in their surroundings, for clear examples of this refer to any non Spanish, non English sounding location in the Americas. Trade and contact leads to borrowing numbers and pronouns.
Anonymous United States No.213627297 >>213627616 >>213627696 >>213630189
>>213625973
I thought it was thought to be related to Aquitanian.
>>213626511
Locations sure, but aren't pronouns and numbers pretty rarely borrowed?
Anonymous Netherlands No.213627387 >>213627407
>>213624094
No, it's just that the relationship cannot be reconstructed. But it is surely related to indo-european, just like finnish etc. are
Anonymous United States No.213627407
>>213627387
I mean, maybe if you trace back far enough, but I don't see why it has to have any close relation.
Anonymous Spain No.213627616 >>213627696
>>213627297
>but aren't pronouns and numbers pretty rarely borrowed?
Ngl, I was thinking of pidgins when I claimed that.

I'm just so tired of seeing the same thing posted about Basque and Iberian, when it's been debunked by actual linguists and philologists countless times. I only see it posted as a reddit-did-you-know-raised-eyebrow fun-fact.

It's not even known whether Iberian was an I-E language or not, but I'd say it is not, if I remember correctly the Iberians were not an I-E people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleohispanic_languages
Anonymous Spain No.213627696 >>213627817
>>213626511
>>213627616
"I've seen claims it's related to the extinct, non-Indo-European Iberian language"β‰ "It's definitely related to Iberian".
>>213627297
Aquitanian and Basque are usually classified as "Vasconic".
Anonymous Spain No.213627817 >>213627961 >>213628564
>>213627696
>"I've seen claims it's related to the extinct, non-Indo-European Iberian language"
>proceeds to post the same old numbers as some kind of "proof" of these claims
>does not mention anywhere that they could just not be related
Gee, anon, I wonder why I thought you were saying that it is related to Iberian.
Anonymous Spain No.213627961 >>213628059
>>213627817
Do I need your permission to discuss these hypotheses with foreigners that aren't acquainted with this matter?
Anonymous Spain No.213628059 >>213628216
>>213627961
If they aren't acquainted with this matter why would you present just one vague hypothesis instead of every single one? Or even the theories that debunk said hypothesis?
Anonymous Spain No.213628216
>>213628059
Because I wanted to.
Anonymous Bangladesh No.213628564 >>213628967
>>213627817
This niggas basque
Anonymous Malaysia No.213628832
>>213621721 (OP)
Western Europe belongs to Basques. They were there before Hindooyuropeens.
Anonymous Georgia No.213628850
>>213621721 (OP)
My descendants….
Anonymous Spain No.213628967 >>213629007 >>213629989
>>213628564
Just part-basque like most people in the peninsula.
Anonymous Bangladesh No.213629007
>>213628967
I'm basquing in your glory
Anonymous Bangladesh No.213629989
>>213628967
Sadly we can't be together because I'm a basquet case
Anonymous Germany No.213630189
>>213627297
>aren't pronouns and numbers pretty rarely borrowed?
When languages already have them, then it is rare (with notable exceptions like Japanese). However, when we look deeper into history, languages in the past often didn't have numbers (basically until they adopted agriculture of some form) or pronouns, and in these cases it's very common to borrow them from languages that already have them, though from what I've seen, with numbers at least, it is unusual for the whole system to be taken from a singular source language.

One good example of why you cannot take pronoun similarity as evidence of a genetic relationship is Proto-Indo-European and Proto-Uralic, which have pronouns (and verb personal conjugations) that strongly resemble each other, as well as in some cases relatively similar suffixes for case and number. This has led some linguists (like the fairly renowned Frederik Kortlandt) to the conclusion that they must be related. This is however unlikely, since structurally PIE looks like it came from the Caucasus and PU came from East Siberia (which is also backed up by genetic evidence). What is more likely is that these languages (or their ancestors) were in contact at some point and borrowed certain grammatical particles and pronouns from each other.