Thread 213624625

What is the point of a writing system where a letter can be read in 20 different ways? No consistency whatsoever.

>>213624625 (OP)
>No consistency whatsoever.
there is, that's why it works, you just don't get it

>>213624625 (OP)
You get used to it. When it comes to languages, no matter how seemingly difficult they may seem, they're still probably our most success memes as a species.

>>213624625 (OP)
it filters the zainichi/gaijin

when I see 千 I think チ it's like 力 and カ

>>213624625 (OP)
They're too proud to reform their genuinely illogical and retarded system.

>>213624695
However this /int/ board has always Japanese Language Threads.
Why the Earth people wanna learn the Japanese language?

>>213624625 (OP)
Does this make any sense at all? What were they thinking?!

仕 = shi/tsuka(eru), to serve
事 = koto/goto, thing, matter
仕事 = shigoto, work
置 = o(ku)/chi, to place, to put
仕置 = shioki, punish, discipline
必 = hitsu/kanara(zu), surely, certainly
要 = you/i(ru), to need, to require
必要 = hitsuyou, necessity, need
当 = tou/a(taru), a(teru), to hit, to be right
本当 = hontou, truth, really

>>213624625 (OP)
The point is that Japanese were still living like Africa with snow in middle ages so they copied Chinese writing system despite it being not compatible with their language

>>213624945
China is literally the main character of Asia. Everything good comes from them

>>213624905
今 = kon, ima
日 = nichi, hi
今日 = kyou
???

>>213625015
VGH

>>213624625 (OP)
filtered

>>213624625 (OP)
is this only a thing in Japanese? I thought in Chinese it's one pronunciation for every character
idk about korean vietnamese or other languages that used it

>>213624860
Because they want to watch anime without subs. They want to read manga without translations. They want to know what "iku iku ikuuuu" means. They want to travel to Japan and krempi a Japanese girl. That's why. Not because of the merit of the writing system, but in spite of it.

>>213624860
I'm not gonna lie I started learning Japanese for two reasons:
I wanted to understand my Vtuber oshi
I want to be able to understand unstranslated porn

That's it. 3 years of learning thus far, all because of this.

>>213624860
After all, there is no reason to learn Japanese, as I keep saying in those threads.

>>213624992
And everything Chinese comes from INDIA IN 9999 BC
SAARS WIN AGAIN

>>213624860
Most people do because of your cultural exports. Personally, I find the strangeness of the writing system alluring, and that's the main reason I've spent 4 years on it. Never change it, or if you do, come up with an original system like the Koreans did. Don't copy the Vietnamese

>>213624945
>not compatible with their language
How so?
The main reason for the confusion between different readings is not any supposed incompatibility, but the fact that Japanese had an established vocabulary and then started loaning a shit ton of words from Chinese. The same thing happened with English starting out as a Germanic language and borrowing from Latin / Norse / French. The Norse words in particular are interesting, since they wouldn't originally have been written in Latin letters.
Niggas like to shit on Japanese for having several different ways of pronouncing the same same symbol, while overlooking the fact that the same is true for pretty much all letters used by the English language. Or German. Or Italian. Etc

>>213624625 (OP)
its usually 2 main readings
sure there are kanjis with way more readings and many irregular readings even for simple kanji (like 五 is go but then theres 五月雨 - samidare and 五月蝿い urusai) but you just pick them up naturally like natives do if you interact with the language
its not a big enough problem to warrant a reform but it does cause inconveniences for natives especially for things like names/place names/handwriting

>>213626021
>五月雨 - samidare
I learned this one from K-On

>>213626044
based
what about 五十嵐
there are probably more even just for 五

>letter
holy 80 iq

>>213624625 (OP)
Where are said letters?

>>213624625 (OP)
>bitch about our system when you and your neighbors are just bunch of squiggly lines

>>213627326
>our
vocaroo
your english is suspiciously good for a jap

>>213627326
Arabic is so dogshit they couldn't even get a proper printing press up and running for all the symbols

>>213625180
Korean is basically all monosyllabic for native words, so one syllable per character. Also unlike Japan, There are almost no cases where the pronunciation changes depending on what other characters it is combined with... maybe about 3 or 4 characters in total. The only ones I know are 不(Bul and Bu) and 父(Bu and bo)

>>213627711
how many hanja can you read?

>>213627711
KILL YOURSELF AVATARFAGGING UNTERMENSCH!

>>213627711
金 is Gim/Geum and it even has three meanings, Gim is a surname(which often romanized as Kim) and Geum means either any metal or gold. I'm sure there are lists of hanja with multiple sounds/multiple meanings on namuwiki.

>>213627779
Don't hate me dude I just criticize contradictory situations and comments.

>>213625180
樂觀 音樂
炸雞 爆炸
烏龜 龜裂
銀行 行人

>>213624625 (OP)
No purpose at all other than "that's the way we do it". Same with chopsticks. My country abandoned the Arabic-Persian script for the Roman alphabet in the 60s. We also did a major spelling revamp. The Yanks should have forced the Japs to do the same after WWII.

>>213627764
I have a level 6 Hanja certificate, which requires memorizing about 100 characters, but I also know more low-stroke characters outside of that, so I probably know around 120~200 in total

>>213624670
>>213625049
Based

>>213627895
媽罵馬嗎?

>>213627974
thats kinda funny
i met a few korean people recently who have lived in japan for decades and they could barely read any kanji

>>213628018
Those are different
What's your point

>>213628095
Nope:
Arr rook same

>>213625015
For your information, 今日 can also be read as "kon'nichi"

>>213624625 (OP)
This is the most inefficient characters in the world

>>213624625 (OP)
languages with inconsistent and quirky writing systems where you can see the multiple layers of linguistic history in them are cool
I find hangul very boring compared to the japanese writing system, even if it's probably more efficient, vietnamese is even worse, can't stand that writing system at all
I also find english orthography a lot more interesting than the spanish one, for example

>>213628213
korean alphabet is ugly
why would you take the classical chinese square lines style and just shove circles into it

>>213628363
>languages with inconsistent and quirky writing systems where you can see the multiple layers of linguistic history in them are cool
yes this
1–1 phonetic correspondence is so fucking boring yet some people are so proud of it.
woohoo congrats, your written language has as much depth within it as some amazonian language first discovered and written down 3 months ago

>>213628213
Well you better start studying in preparation of me forcing you to start using them again

>>213628213
Undeniable fact: most of the history books of Korea are written in "the most inefficient characters in the world" because Korea was a client state of China for a long time.

crazy how koreans can't read a book printed 100 years ago

>>213628653
average japanese person cant read something from before ww2

>>213628636
Meanwhile Japanese did the same thing for free

>>213628738
*posts shit that every jap can read*
Damn I'm convinced now. Why are Japs so stupid?

The latin script is objectively the best script in the world. Cope and seethe chinks who still aren't civilized enough to use cutlery.

>>213628738
>>213628781
there are several kanji in that pic the average native cant read retard

>>213624860
We want to be able to speak to cute Japanese girls.

the biggest advantage of CJK is that you can also print it vertically

>>213628806
Not being able to read 1(1) kanji from a newspaper just because it's kyuujitai doesn't mean not being able to understand you fucking retard, you can usually tell from the context or the word it is in that it's just the kyuujitai of a common kanji anyway. Hurry up and go rape a local woman so I can skin you alive and present you before the Japs so I can get streetcred among them, pedro you stupid fucking mongrel

>>213624860
Because I want to fuck a fat assed Japanese girl

>>213628881
vocaroo this >>213628806 or admit you have no idea what you are talking about

>>213624625 (OP)
They use our writing system and many words. If you really need to understand the meaning of characters you should learn Chinese.

>>213628950
>you should learn Chinese
chinese from like 1500 years ago*

>>213628781
>Why are Japs so stupid?
I'm not. Probably, he's not well educated.

>>213628968
I never learn Japanese but I can read some Japanese if they use enough Chinese characters. We also imported some words from them in 20th.

>>213629068
>We also imported some words from them in 20th.
Are you a 華僑 in Australia?

>>213628917
Oh, so you're one of the retards from /jp/'s /djt/ huh? No fucking wonder you're so braindead.
I can't vocaroo it but I can write it out for your retarded ass, here you go kid:
残業装い市史が麻雀賭博
十七日夕六時ごろ城東区亀戸町二の二〇市土木局城東区出張所から所員五名が麻雀賭博現行中を亀戸署に検挙した、土木課主任垣沼一会計主任石田好文土木課員浅野?ほか二名で彼らは垣沼を中心に一卓廿円で昨年一月から連日退?後に”時節柄居残って仕事する”と宿直室を締切り麻雀賭博を賭けていたもの、なほ所内に十数名の関係者があり??召喚を見る模様である
Now off you go back to your shithole. Want me to post this here so all your friends can laugh their ass off at you?
>>213629050
Ignore that guy, it's just some little jailbait from /jp/'s /djt/, a notorious shithole where little children play 日本語ごっこ and try to pathetically one-up eachother. He probably got bullied too hard there and had to come running over here to larp as Japanese to cheer himself up.

>>213629068
>some
underselling it a bit, a fuck ton of modern academic words used in chinese today were coined in japan
>According to the work by Wang Binbin on the subject of Japanese-word borrowings into Chinese (1998), 70 percent of the modern Chinese words relating to sociology, humanities and natural science originate from Japanese

>>213629243
>I can't vocaroo it

>>213629218
I am a Chinese Chinese.

>>213629305
Japan was a bridge to western knowledge. Many students went to Japan and took knowledge back.

>>213629326
Care to btfo me by vocarooing it yourself? Lucky for you I already did most of the work for you by writing the whole thing out in modern Japanese, all you have to do is pull out your OCR for the 2-3 remaining kanji and then record yourself.

>>213629440
i asked you first