Recently, the CCP released a new anti-Japanese propaganda film about the fake Nanking massacre called “Nanjing Photo Studio.” Chinese people have been taking their children to see this graphic war film, brainwashing kids into wanting to kill Japanese people. Another propaganda film about the fake Unit 731 human experiments will be released later this year.
Why does China spread such lies and hatred?
>>213657774 (OP)Japan lies about everything
They've been beefing for a brick
>>213657810Why are you Chinese so dishonest?
>>213657774 (OP)Japan allied with hitler
The French, Chinese, Americans and Japanese all invaded this country within my grandfather's lifetime and to this day all the super old timers still say the Japanese were the worst by far.
>>213657939The Japs actually try to deny this btw. Fundamentally unserious people.
sigh, another Bong trying to sow disarray and division miles from where he lives just like his ancestors
>>213657774 (OP)It's truly over this time. Japan will be Finland-tier irrelevant in our lifetime.
>>213657939Japan saved 20,000 Jews from Nazi persecution. Just because Japan was on the Axis doesn’t mean they were Nazis
https://japan-forward.com/finally-a-statue-for-general-higuchi-who-saved-thousands-of-jews-from-nazi-persecution/
>>213657774 (OP)They use us as the scapegoat as usual.
They know it's the Chinese government which is hated by the Chinese people the most.
>>213657945Your country has been corrupted by communist propaganda
>>213658038The Chinese government has a 90% approval rating. The Japanese government has a 20% approval rating.
>>213658038>They know it's the Chinese government which is hated by the Chinese people the most.This is true. People in China hate the CCP regime, so the CCP pushes anti-Japanese propaganda to distract people
>>213658062Chinese people love the CCP. Japanese people hate the LDP. See latest poll numbers.
>>213658059>The Chinese government has a 90% approval ratingLOL, China is a communist dictatorship, what makes you think their numbers are accurate?
>>213658081More accurate than Japan numbers
>>213657810
>>213658077Chinese hate the CCP, they’re just not allowed to mention it openly.
It’s true that people in Japan don’t support the LDP because they’ve become left-wing since Abe’s death. Japanese people want a real right-wing government again, that’s why Sanseitō is becoming more popular
>>213658088When is China going to be honest about Tiananmen square?
>>213658117>When is China going to be honest about Tiananmen square?It has always been honest. All photos and footage of the incident were released by Chinese official media.
>>213658102>Chinese hate the CCP, they’re just not allowed to mention it openly.So you know what they are thinking secretly? Strange
>It’s true that people in Japan don’t support the LDP because they’ve become left-wing since Abe’s death. Japanese people want a real right-wing government again, that’s why Sanseitō is becoming more popularLol
>>213658130People in China are arrested for mentioning Tiananmen square on social media
>>213658174No proof of this
>>213658155It’s a lie that Sanseitō wants to censor anime
ok now that I read the OP
>uhmm akshually Nanjing didn’t happen
>uhmm akshually 731 wasn’t real
>uhmm how about Tiananmen
you’re either a fed or the most well dressed redditor fed on BBC propaganda
we just need you to mention Hong Kong too
>>213658185>Colonel otaku gatekeeperIgnored
>>213658200Not an argument
This thread is manufactured as FUCK
sage
>>213658206Because you don't deserve one here
>>213658182It happens all the time
Japs have evil tendencies that must be kept in check by its superior neighbors, Korea and China.
Their culture is also fake. Stolen from China and also the west during the meiji restoration period.
>>213658186You’re the r*dditor, not me
Takeshi using vpn VS Full of Wumao and tankies
>>213658234Thanks to 2 atom bombs, communist USSR did not take over Japan. Say "thank you USA".
>>213658214Also not an argument, wumao :)
>>213658247Arguments are for humans not for insects like you
>>213658228How much is CCP paying you to post, little pink?
>>213658246USSR wasn’t able to invade Japan
>>213658228 #
Mr Chang, Everything is ok but please don't mention Korea please.
>>213658253>Arguments are for humans not for insects like you
>>213658265>USSR wasn’t able to invade JapanIt was. It swept across Manchuria in 2 weeks. The USA saved Japan by nuking it. Say "thank you president Truman".
>>213658282Are you admitting Manchuria is separate to China? Supreme leader winnie the pooh won’t like that
>>213658298>Are you admitting Manchuria is separate to ChinaIt was back then, it isn't today
>Supreme leader winnie the pooh won’t like thatWho?
>>213658313I don't watch soccer. but if winning a ball game helps Japan overcome losing a war emotionally, sure.
>>213658316>It was back then, it isn't todaySoon you’ll be under arrest by the CCP for promoting separatism
>Who?Xi jinping, your leader
>>213657774 (OP)drop the vpn takeshi, youre not fooling anyone
>went from CCP bad to unrelated anti China posts
well at you’re not a fed, redditor
>>213658357>>It was back then, it isn't today>Soon you’ll be under arrest by the CCP for promoting separatismI don't live under their jurisdiction
>>Who?>Xi jinping, your leaderI'm not a Chinese citizen
>>213658081He's referencing a Harvard study on Chinese public opinion. IIRC the conclusion was that Chinese blame local governments for everything instead of the central gov.
>>213658334China has never beat Japan in war. Japan won the First Sino-Japanese War. Japan didn’t lose WW2 to China but to America. If not for the US, Japan would’ve beaten China during the Second Sino-Japanese War
>>213658361We call it soccer in Canada just like in USA. Europeans call it football. What are you even talking about?
>>213658362I’m British, not Japanese
>>213658382Nobody calls it "soccer". "Soccer" doesn't exist. Everyone calls it fútbol.
>>213658381>Japan didn’t lose WW2 to China but to America.Japan surrendered to China on September 9, 1945
>>213658397yeah and im belgian
>>213658363I’m not anti-China, I’m anti-CCP
>>213658371You’re not fooling anyone, Zhang. It’s obvious that you’re a wumao
>>213658399>Nobody calls it "soccer". "Soccer" doesn't exist.Idiot
>Everyone calls it fútbol.Lol. Go back to Mexico.
>>213658378Chinese don’t like the central government or local governments. It’s all corrupt
>>213658424No, why don't you go back to Cornwall or wherever the fuck you're from.
>>213658402>Japan surrendered to China on September 9, 1945The war ended on August 15th when Japan surrendered to the US
>>213658399we both call it soccer the fuck are you on about
>>213658446Only if you're over 60. If you're under 60, you say fútbol because that's what it is.
>>213658409Maybe you are, I’m not bothered really
>>213658434Will be sure to call ICE on you when I visit the US later.
>>213658448Part of the US terms was that Japan surrender to all Allied powers. That doesn’t change the fact that China didn’t beat Japan
>>213658399No they don't paco.
>>213658473>Part of the US terms was that Japan surrender to all Allied powers.Correct, and this means Japan lost to USA, China, USSR, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
And of course it's a canadian flag
>>213658450i agree
i don’t like it either but officially it’s soccer
it’s football everywhere but if you say that instead they’ll look at you like an alien
>>213657774 (OP)The atrocities done by the Japanese are real, but it has been already a long time and the Japs have helped the conquered countries develop.
Wonder why only China can't let go of this? Every country Japan has conquered is already good with them and also received Japanese aid.
And don't give me that "China has suffered the most", when all East and SE Asian countries suffered the might of the Japanese empire.
>>213658540I live in Bataan, chang.
>>213658488Only the US beat Japan. It was America dropping the atomic bombs that lead to Japan accepting unconditional surrender. What about this don’t you understand?
>>213658509>The atrocities done by the Japanese are realJapan liberated your country, you should be grateful
>>213658590I have living grandparents who suffered against Japan, but I do not want to dwell in the past.
The only way East and Southeast Asians will progress is if we all let go of the past. I believe in Asian cooperation
>>213658581Japan surrendered to all countries signing here.
Surrender = you admit defeat.
Japan lost to all countries here.
>>213657774 (OP)>vpn toshiwar crimes are bad. if u guys admitted it and whatnot in the past Chinese would have moved on and this movie wouldn't have been made. Too bad, serves you lying arrogant punks right.
>>213657810Japanese have a compulsion to lie. Its literally a pillar of their culture.
>>213658610>I believe in Asian cooperationThis is the ideal Japan was fighting for
>>213658610as you can Nigel here doesn’t want to
>>213658613Which country dropped the atomic bombs? (hint: it wasn’t China)
>>213658625When are you going to admit to your war crimes? Stop attacking Japan when it was the US that was the war criminal!
>>213658639What does that have to do with the fact that Japan surrendered and therefore lost to all allied powers?
Do you know the definition of surrender? It has nothing to do with who dropped which bomb.
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>>213658628It's better to cooperate with the USA than with Japan.
>>213658651Fuck off the vpn, you're not fooling anyone, takashi.
>>213658652I never denied that Japan surrendered to all the Allied powers. What I said is that Japan wasn’t beaten by China, which is correct, they were beaten by the US. It was the US action of dropping atomic bombs that caused Japan to surrender. Nothing China did contributed to Japan agreeing to surrender
>>213658651"Sorry for party rocking" - Curtis LeMay
>>213658665Mao Zedong was a pedophile rapist who killed 50 million of his own people
>>213657774 (OP)another dogshit psuedo politics thread where third gen immigrants argue with each other about their heritage
>>213658673Surrender and defeat have nothing to do with contributions. Japan lost to China because it surrendered to China, end of story. You trying to claim otherwise is hilarious.
>>213658670I’m British, amerimutt
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>>213658665stop the bullshit man
>>213658702You're a typical vpn japcel.
>>213658682>celebrating mass murder Typical Chinese behaviour
>Changs vs Weebs
Vgh... the good ol' days of /int/...
>>213657774 (OP)Why is Japan to blame for the Nanking Massacre?
They should blame their own government for fighting an unwinnable war.
They should have surrendered before civilians were involved in the war, as Japan did.
>>213658700>Surrender and defeat have nothing to do with contributions.You’re an idiot. Stop embarrassing yourself
>>213658725>They should have surrendered before civilians were involved in the war, as Japan did.300k Japs died in Tokyo firebombings. An additional 150k died to nukes in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
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>>213658726Do you understand what war is? It is not a sport or video game. It is a legal and political matter, not a scoreboard.
China formally declared war on Japan on December 8 1941, and accepted Japan's surrender on September 9 1945. Japan lost.
>>213658725Nanking massacre never happened, it’s a lie created by the KMT government
>>213658744Not an argument
>>213658749If the US wasn’t at war with Japan, would Japan have surrendered to China? No, because China was getting btfo’d by Japan. This is the truth
Germany paid billions to the victims of their warcrime. Japs don't even have the moral integrity to acknowledge any wrong doings. It's good that in the modern age that everybody knows about what happened in Nanking.
>>213658781It doesn't matter why. Those are not included in the surrender documents Japan signed.
>>213658786Nanking massacre never happened.
When will shameless China apologise for killing a million Buddhists in Tibet?
>>213658752It wouldn't matter if it did happen
>>213658807>When will shameless China apologise for killing a million Buddhists in Tibet?Never happened. There is no proof.
>>213658791>it doesn’t matter why a war ended
>>213657774 (OP)vpn off Takeshi
Oh and it's Dokdo btw
>>213658818You’re a paid CCP shill, there’s no point talking to you anymore
>>213658819>Japan didn't lose to China even though it didLol
>>213658807You can deny it all you want but it's too late. The whole world knows it. They even teach you about in schools in the west.
>>213658826Takeshima is Japanese
>>213658832>You’re a paid CCP shillI'm not. You have no proof.
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Hopefully this leads to leaf zhang being arrested
>>213658840But Korean military currently occupies it. If it's really Japanese, why doesn't the JMSDF seize it?
>>213658862>Hopefully this leads to leaf zhang being arrestedBut it won't
>>213658683>Mao Zedong was a pedophile rapistThat would make him more popular in Japan
>>213658863The Japanese right wing prefer economic sanctions against South Korea such as the cancellation of the currency swap argument, the crude oil agreement, and the semiconductor chemicals blacklist
>raped by mongols
Sleep
>raped by nips
REEEEEEEEE
What causes this
>>213658839South Korea is barely mentioned in American education. AP US History and AP World History barely discuss Korea. The history of European countries is more important than Koreans.
>>213658949>The Japanese right wing prefer economic sanctions against South Korea such as the cancellation of the currency swap argument, the crude oil agreement, and the semiconductor chemicals blacklistWow! It's fucking nothing
>Chang and Kim's rape-baby alliance
>>213658965The Ming slaughtered Mongols in the millions and the Manchus later enslaved them. Mongols have suffered enough there's no reason to hound their modern day descendants.
>>213658973>South Korea is barely mentionedKorean war is extensively covered. You're a dumbass.
Recently, China has been releasing films about Nanjing and Unit 731, which has intensified hatred toward Japan.
It would not be surprising if incidents involving the killing of Japanese people occurred.
Japan is also becoming more right-wing, so I hope that no such incidents occur.
>>213658995Canadian gook under the delusion that gooks are important in American history. Sorry but the Korean war is generally ignored in favor of the Vietnam War
>>213658651Kek, I love the precise clarification of the caliber of American weapons on their fighter planes. Why are Japanese so damn autistic?
>>213658984You will forever be a discount korean.
>>213659007There is no way to truly relieve tensions without a war in my opinion. It's an unpopular opinion, but the only reason Europeans are chill with each other today is because they fought two world wars. An actual war, regardless of outcome, should kill militarists and their enthusiasm for conflict.
>>213659052I think it's because they have nuclear weapons.
Countries that have nuclear weapons do not go to war with each other.
China has never suffered damage from war, so it can be aggressive.
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>>213659199nawh, the truth is more hilarious.
>>213659199Yayoi were Koreans, you are basically Korean
>>213657774 (OP)Mate, Naking massacre acturally happened.
We are fine with these criticism against Japan.
We deserved it.
If Chinese people feel better yelling at us, we'd let them do so.
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>>213659212You are right
Everything that was worthwhile in Korea we have taken away
>>213659227they were not ethnically Koreans.
Korean peninsula had been inhabited by the Japonic language speakers, and they got kicked out to the archipelago by the Koreanic language speakers.
>>213659269>21th century>still sticks to communist propaganda
>>213659271You guys sure do steal a lot of peoples culture and try to lie that you weren't vassals to Korea for eons.
>>213658362Whitoids defending their beloved nvppon is not an uncommon thing online, much less here
>>213657774 (OP)Mao killed 5 times more people than the Japanese did yet Mao is worshipped as a god
>>213659305南京事件自体はあったんで、「南京事件はなかった」は流石にフラットアース並みの論外な戯言なんだよ。
日本人は力以外のものを信じてない人が多くて、倫理道徳も所詮は他人を攻撃したり自己正当化するための方便に過ぎないと捉えてる人が多い。
こういう人にとっては、罪を認めて批判に耐え忍ぶというのは、身の毛もよだつような拷問に等しいのだろう。
>>213659371whats more common is the same flags that show up when japanese are seething. these same flags also start a lot of the threads doing the attacking for japanese... very odd pattern.
>>213659404Mao never killed anyone.
>>213659478He killed one person, Lin Biao. That's about it.
>>213659478Sorry he accidentally 50 million people
So manslaughter
>>213659522that's just Deng propaganda
>>213659531so Deng murdered those 50 million Chinese to frame Mao
>>213659305I think if China plays the victim, Japan should admit it and ridicule China's victimhood.
If China overestimates the number of victims of the massacre, Japan should overestimate the number of victims even more and make them feel miserable by emphasising their miserable history of having to be unilaterally beaten by the Japanese army, and they will eventually stop doing it.
>>213659592simply not nearly that many died
>>213659619そういう小賢しいまねする必要ないと思う。
>>213659473Thank you for agreeing. I appreciate it.
>>213657810>>213657774 (OP)Thank god people are finally saying it.
Japan has been lying for their own well being for years. They've been playing unfair since god knows when.
Their "economic miracle" is based on LIES, all on record by the way, of companies like Sony, Nissan, Panasonic, Toshiba, COUNTLESS COMPANIES of STEALING from American IPs. This is all settled in court. Look it up.
They also manipulated their currency to favor exports, and practically gave Japanese countries free reign with unlimited government money printing. Ergo, the "Plaza Accords" ruining Japan is Japanese propaganda. They ruined themselves with 30 years of stagflation. But hey, the benefit of STEALING is still much, much better.
That is why I just can't take Japan crying about "muh IP and copyright" seriously. Them calling out China for doing the exact playbook Japan did in getting their "economic miracle" is a pot calling the kettle black.
It has also convinced me that the only way to graduate from shithole status is to steal from tutorial countries. I now privately advocate for Filipinos stealing ideas, products and IP from Japan, Korea, China and America.
If you want me to illustrate how Japan STEALS from poor shitholes and disguises it as them being "saints", reply to my post asking for more.
I dislike China and like Japan therefore I don't believe Nanking happened.
>>213659647The best records of the great famine were taken by Hong Kong professors who estimate 40 million. Sorry, Mao killed more than Hitler
>>213659733Fake
Dikotter is a hack btw
>>213659731It happened but the numbers are overblown. Chiang Kai Shek estimates around 4 million people died from the Japanese. After the CCP took over they inflated it to 20 million. Funny because Mao himself killed around 40 million and Chinese pretend it never happened
>>213659814>>213659647>>213659531>Murders 40 to 60 million Chinese>CCP cucks have to defend this
>>213659733>Sorry, Mao killed more than HitlerMeaningless statement since Hitler only ordered a few people killed e.g. Rommel.
t. Colonel Otaku Gentleman
>NOOOOOOOOO IT DIDN'T HAPPEN
CCP killed more people than any man made organization in history
>>213659842It's funny how she's obviously spouting a fake bs story but it will convince gullible people like you
>>213659877>It happened because it was real in my mindLol
Imagine unironically defending the government that killed 10s of millions of Chinese. Total cucks
>>213659731I don’t believe the Nanking massacre happened because all the evidence points towards it not having happened
>>213659921No one is defending Chiang's KMT here
>>213659948John Rabe witnessed Japanese atrocities and gave shelter to Chinese civilians using his Nazi membership to shield them. Years later Chinese survivors in Nanjing sent money to his family in Germany despite having nothing themselves. How did he save so many people who eagerly demonstrated gratitude to him, if nothing happened?
>>213659007It’s pointless to try and reason with brainwashed people. I think Japan should cut diplomatic ties with China and officially recognise Taiwan
>>213658933Rape isn’t common in Japan, unlike China where it happens in broad daylight
>>213659995>John Rabe witnessed Japanese atrocitiesFalse. He lied about Japan because he had financial incentive to push KMT propaganda
>>213659997>I think Japan should cut diplomatic ties with China and officially recognise TaiwanDo it. Would be a good casus belli.
>>213660035He had a much bigger incentive to remain quiet and not talk about Japan to upset Nazi leadership. He spoke out due to his conscience, although it's not clear if Japanese people understand what that is.
It's really sad how ccp cucks will worship the man who killed them by the 10s of millions. Truly a cuckold people
>>213660069No one worships Chiang kai shek.
>The Great Chinese Famine, which occurred between 1959 and 1961, is estimated to have resulted in the deaths of 15 to 55 million people. This period of widespread starvation was largely a result of the Great Leap Forward, a failed economic and social campaign launched by the Chinese government under Mao Zedong.
>Between 15 and 50 million died
This is what CCP shills are defending. An entire country of people wiped out. While they seethe at Japan for killing 1/10th
>>213660084>>213660062Really sad how you had to flee China due to the 45 million people China killed
>The Great Chinese Famine (Chinese: 三年大饥荒; lit. 'three years of great famine') was a famine that occurred between 1959 and 1961 in the People's Republic of China (PRC).Some scholars have also included the years 1958 or 1962. It is widely regarded as the deadliest famine and one of the greatest man-made disasters in human history, with an estimated death toll due to starvation that ranges in the tens of millions (15 to 55 million).The most stricken provinces were Anhui (18% dead), Chongqing (15%), Sichuan (13%), Guizhou (11%) and Hunan (8%).
>>213660069KMT China wouldn't be any different from what China is now. Trying to paint it as some form of magical Republican-Democratic utopia when it was run by a party that basically just the CCP but in a shade of blue is stupid.
All you'd get is pre-democratization South Korea on steroids that is hopped up on industrial development and pushing the middle finger on both the Soviets and the US.
>Recent scholarly research, including work by Chinese academics and journalists, has uncovered and analyzed previously hidden information about the Great Chinese Famine (1959–1961).
>Key findings and insights from these reports
Human-made Catastrophe: While natural disasters like floods and droughts occurred, several studies emphasize that misguided policies implemented during the Great Leap Forward, a campaign led by Mao Zedong, were the primary cause of the widespread famine. >These policies included:
>Forced collectivization of agriculture and the elimination of private farming.
>Exaggerated reports of grain yields, leading to over-procurement by the state and leaving inadequate food for peasants.
Diversion of labor from agricultural production to inefficient backyard steel furnaces.
The "Four Pests" campaign against sparrows which led to an increase in crop-eating insects.
Scale of the Tragedy: Estimates of the death toll vary, but generally range from 15 to 55 million
> Initially, the CCP attributed the famine to low-level officials twisting development plans. Later, they acknowledged mistakes in the Great Leap Forward and the Anti-Right Deviation Struggle, along with natural disasters and the Sino-Soviet split.
>Multiple leaked documents discuss the great famine and also mention the CCP purposely trying to cover it up
>>213660134>Shitty wikipedia copypaste where the text didn't even turn green properlyLol
>>213660148>>Multiple leaked documentsSource: trust me bro
>New research measuring the terrain of over 200 Chinese regions shows another influence: famine mortality followed a pattern based on landscape. Communities easily accessible by road, rail, or waterway suffered more during the Famine, if under the jurisdiction of the senior leaders politically aligned with Mao. In those places, had the terrain been entirely flat, with no gorges, gullies, or ravines, the Great Famine could have been 17 per cent larger. In other words, ruggedness saved more than 4.6 million lives.
Damn, being isolated saved your life
>This raises doubts about the CCP’s explanations. Specifically, if the Great Famine was a result of natural disasters, would not greater accessibility make it quicker and easier to send aid? Moreover, if the Famine was due to the imprudent decisions of local leaders, why would ruggedness reduce mortality?
>Both critiques have corroborating evidence. First, famine is not a result of natural food shortages but rather occurs when access to food is interrupted, as theorised by the Nobel Economics Prize laureate, Amartya Sen. In the month before the Great Famine began, Mao’s Great Leap Forward interrupted access to food supplies in multiple ways.
Just think. Without Mao China would be first world today. 50 million Chinese died for nothing
>The most lethal Great Leap policy was the state procurement of surplus grain. The CCP defined surplus grain as an amount the state deemed necessary for urban rations and export, not relative to the amount of grain produced. This policy left rural communities with little to eat, even if they had a bountiful harvest. Moreover, China’s Ministry of Trade gave clear guidance on how to choose the area from which take the grain surplus: grain should be transported along routes where the cost of transport was less than or equal to half the value of the grain itself. The historian Anthony Garnaut found that, as a result, famine mortality was disproportionately higher near railways and canals.
>Many leaders around China not only did not support the Great Leap, but even sounded an alarm in response to its proposals. Officials at different levels of government wrote critical letters to the high-ranking CCP leadership about the policies and their roles in implementing them – the newly established People’s Communes and the new outrageous harvest targets – and threatened that they would ‘reckon accounts with leaders’.
>Yet an official’s embrace of Mao’s radical agenda could pay off politically. Mao wanted allies and yes-men in all tiers of his hierarchy. Contenders could, therefore, gain important political positions from Mao’s manoeuvring. Membership in China’s Central Committee, the top legislative body, for example, was typically awarded to long-established politicians. Between 1956 and 1958 however, 33 of 97 appointments were men who had not gone through the normal promotion process. The economist Dali Yang showed that a number of these politicians went on to serve in critical posts during the Great Leap Forward and their leadership exacerbated famine mortality.
Why do they seethe at Japan when the CCP killed 10 times more people? If Japan killed 50 million Chinese would the modern Chinese worship Japan too?
>Mounting evidence shows that leaders at all levels were motivated to enact Great Leap policies by threats from their superiors. For example, even as signs of famine were arising in Wuwei County, in Anhui province, eastern China, local officials forcefully searched for and confiscated small grain stores hidden in rural households for fear of suffering consequences – from losing their jobs to being sent to forced-labour camps and tortured. The historians Shuji Cao and Bin Yang, who conducted the Wuwei study, determined that the political atmosphere that motivated the implementation of Great Leap policy at the ground level was key to differences in famine severity.
>This conclusion, seen alongside the insights from the terrain analysis, casts light on the CCP’s original explanation that famine mortality arose as a result of decisions made by low-ranking civil servants. An uneven landscape meant that the roads were poor or non-existent; authorities, therefore, were less able to monitor and browbeat officials in far-flung areas for their lacklustre implementation of Great Leap policies.
>During the Great Chinese Famine (1959-1961), the official Chinese government estimate places the death toll at approximately 15 million. Some sources suggest this figure may be closer to 20 million. It's important to note, however, that these official figures are widely considered to be an underestimate and there are varying estimations from independent researchers and historians.
WOW so even the CCP admit they killed AT LEAST 15 million. Damn nigga. Imagine how bad it must have really been if their downplaying is only 15 million.
>>213660224L-Leaf Changs, our response?
>>213660224>the CCP admit they killed AT LEAST 15 millionFake
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MVP even by CCP estimates
>>213660224>>213660215>>213660208>>213660194>>213660187>>213660177>>213660166No amount of wikipediafagging is going to change the fact that KMT China would just be the same as the PRC now and the US ( and every other shillnigger here ) would seethe at them.
CCP estimates of deaths: 15 million
Hong Kong Scholar Estimates: 35 million
Chinese scholar estimates 30 million
Shanghai Scholars estimate around 40 million
>>213660297Except with 40 million more Chinese, No one child policy and a far stronger economy. Also more freedom since the KMT allowed some democracy
>>213660297No the seething would be far greater because under the KMT China would be first world instead of third world like today.
>>213660318>CCP estimates of deaths: 15 millionFake
>Hong Kong Scholar Estimates: 35 millionDikotter is a hack
>Chinese scholar estimates 30 millionFake
>Shanghai Scholars estimate around 40 millionFake
>>213660292I thought Stalin killed 40-60 million? It's suddenly only 5 million now. 35 million Russians popped back to life. Lol.
>>213660330>China would be first world instead of third world like todayIn places like Shanghai, Guangzhou and Beijing. The countryside would be just the same third-world shlock that still exists now.
>>213660325>One-Child Policydebatable.
>a far stronger economyLike what it is now?
>also more freedom since the KMT allowed some democracyNot even lol. Do you homework next time you vpn-fagging Filipino lol.
Only counting estimates from Chinese researchers
Scholar / Source Estimated Death Toll (millions) Notes
Yu Xiguang (2015) 55 Independent Chinese historian; based on two decades of archival research.
Jasper Becker (1996) 30–60 Journalist; based on interviews and reports from survivors and local archives.
Chen Yizi (1994) 43 Former high-ranking official;
Liao Gailong (2019) 40 Former CCP historian; focused on “unnatural” deaths.
Yang Jisheng (2012) 36 Chinese journalist; also estimated 40 million "missing births," totaling ~76 million in population loss.
Mao Yushi (2014) 36 Economist and public intellectual; based on demographic analysis.
Cao Shuji (2005) 32.5 Demographer at Shanghai Jiaotong University; widely cited academic estimate.
Peng Xizhe (1987) 23 Chinese demographer from Fudan University.
Li Chengrui (1998) 22 Former director of China’s National Bureau of Statistics.
Shujie Yao (1999) 18 Economist at Middlesex University.
Chinese Academy of Sciences (1989) 15 Internal estimate focused specifically on malnutrition deaths.
Houser, Sands & Xiao (2009) 15.4 Economic analysis; estimated ~69% of deaths due to policy.
>>213660373The countryside of Taiwan is literally more developed than most cities of mainland China
>>213660398Most cities in mainland China are more developed than Taipei.
>>213660398Also keep in mind Mao killing China's economy for 40 years
>>213660398And Singapore is much more developed than Taiwan. What then?
It turns out that being a smaller country means that you'd be able to efficiently allocate more resources when it comes to development.
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>>213660412PRC China is a global superpower. ROC Taiwan is a third world shithole.
>>213660416That's nice. So the Singaporean government is also far more competent than the CCP. They also didn't kill 10% of Singapore's population
>>213660418>Muh completely made up index no one cares about
>>213660429Yea. We're more competent than the KMT ( who were hopelessly corrupt and got driven out ) and the CCP ( who fucked around with China until Deng opened it up )
I don't get why shitskins on this site like to glaze the KMT though. Maybe it's because they see a semblance of their home cunt's government in it.
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>>213660429Singapore is a first world country. Taiwan is a third world shithole.
>>213660460Yes Singapore is a much better place to live than Mainland China. It's a shithole
>>213660462>Freedom indexLmfao, what unit does it use? Dildos per asshole? Or HIV per hohol refugee
Singapore vs China
Metric Singapore China
GDP per capita (nominal) ~$88,000 USD ~$13,000 USD
GDP per capita (PPP) ~$125,000 USD ~$23,000 USD
Human Development Index (HDI) 0.939 (Very High) 0.788 (High)
Quality of Life (Numbeo Index) ~175+ ~105+
Life Expectancy ~84 years ~78 years
Education Ranking (PISA) Top 3 globally Middle to high, varies by region
Healthcare System World-class, efficient Improving, but inconsistent by region
Internet & Tech Access Universal, very high-speed Widely available, but censored and uneven in rural areas
Public Safety Extremely safe Varies—safe in cities, less so in rural areas
Man China, what's your excuse?
>>213660478>trying to avoid calling Taiwan a shithole just to do an ownKek. Can't believe that these are the shitskins we are dealing with now. Just drop the vpn and be honest, Niggerpino.
>>213660495>Numbeo IndexNot gonna bother reading your post if you can't even spell
Why are Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore amazing places to live but China poor and shitty?
I wonder if it has something to do with Mao who killed between 15 (CCP estimate) to 65 million people.
>>213660507Taiwan and Singapore are both first world. This is not true for mainland China which is a third world shithole
>>213660511Hong Kong still an amazing place to live? But I thought the CCP destroyed it? That's what reddit said lol
China's standard of living is only slightly higher than Mexico's and below Thailands. Taiwan on the otherhand is equal to Japan.
>>213660520>Taiwan and Singapore are both first worldLol no Taiwan is a third world shithole despite all the fake numbers they put up and everyone knows this
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You can literally see the year the CCP took back Hong Kong.
>>213660546Damn did the CCP take Singapore too?
>>213660558Taiwan dick game must be crazy
>>213660558>Falls back to his American vpn to post jaksLol
Why are Taiwan, Singapore and Hong kong first world but China third world? Please explain!
>>213660579>Hong kong first worldThanks to the CCP taking control of it in 1997. It was a filthy shithole before that.
>couldn't refute every argument here so he resorts to memefagging and constantly being in denial over Taiwan's status
fucking murdered it lol
>>213660615Please explain why every Chinese country (besides China itself) is so good but China is so poor and shitty?
>>213660495>HDIBy this measure, China has jumped 16 places in 5 years, they're clearly doing pretty good under the CCP now.
>>213660626PRC China is a global superpower. ROC Taiwan is a third world shithole.
>>213660062He was businessman who made money in China, so naturally he was bias towards the KMT regime
>He spoke out due to his conscience, although it's not clear if Japanese people understand what that is.Japan still has a sense of objectivity morality, unlike China which destroyed it’s morals during the Cultural Revolution
>>213660631Except it's still third world and on par with Mexico
>>213660640>Japan still has a sense of objectivity moralityLmfao. Morality does not exist among the Japanese people.
Explain. Why Taiwan first world and China third world
>>213660674PRC China is a global superpower. ROC Taiwan is a third world shithole.
Can someone please explain why Taiwan is first world and China still third world? PLEASE?
>he's still at it
Lol. He's already buckbroken. Just end the thread at this point.
>>213660697PRC China is a global superpower. ROC Taiwan is a third world shithole.
>>213660699So you admit you can't explain why China is still third world? I will tell you. The CCP
The Singaporean or Taiwanese government should take over the mainland so China could be not third world anymore
>he keeps on switching his flags
>he's constantly in denial over China surpassing Taiwan
He's probably a stinky jeet or a niggerpino who's never left his country, LOL.
>>213660772The CCP should take over Taiwan so Taiwan stops being a third world shithole.
>>213660791TW has a much higher GDP per capita as well as standard of living
>>213660579>SingaporeLies on a major trade route. Built up heavily by the British. It's literally one big city. They don't have to deal with populations living in mountains and jungles and shit.
>Hong KongPractically the same as above. Heavily built up by the British as an important port.
>TaiwanIndustrialized by the Japanese. Rich Chinese followed the KMT and helped kickstart the economy. The US provided financial aid to Taiwan on the order of billions of dollars annually for decades.
Why does China have the same HDI as Mexico but Taiwan has the same as Japan?
>>213660825Russia, America and Japan sent 10s of billions of dollars of aid to China. Far more than anything Taiwan has ever gotten. Why is China third world but Taiwan first world?
Today China still receives free aid from the UN. Why is it still so poor? Why can't it be first world like Taiwan?
>>2136608141. CCP can’t even take over Kinmen, never mind Taiwan lol
2. The standard of living is significantly higher in Taiwan than China. 400 million Chinese still live in extreme poverty
3. The moment China tries to invade Taiwan the US and Japan will step in and the CCP will be finished
>>213660662Japanese are the most moral people on earth
Why China under CCP so poor despite taking in billions in aid? Why Taiwan, Korea, Japan and Singapore so rich? Why can't China stop being stupid third world dictatorship?
>>213660879Cope. CCP China is a global superpower. Taiwan is a third world shithole.
>>213660852Are you talking about lend lease? Direct aid to China was an order of magnitude lower than that given to Taiwan
Why does the average Taiwanese earn 5 times more than the average Chinese even when accounting for cost of living differences?
>>213660932Russia gave China 60 billion in aid
America gave 10 billion
Japan gave 15 billion
The UN still gives China millions in aid every year
Yet China is still a shithole. Why?
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>>213660923>Cope. CCP China is a global superpower. Taiwan is a third world shithole.
So after murdering around 40 million Chinese people, the CCP begged for money and transformed China into Asia's mexico
>>213660951>Russia gave China 60 billion in aid>America gave 10 billion>Japan gave 15 billionNever happened
>The UN still gives China millions in aid every yearEven if true that's 1/20000 of China's GDP
>>213660951Much of the Russian aid literally benefitted the KMT who were in control during the war with Japan
>>213660998You know criticism of the Maoist era is tolerated even within China right? Popular authors have satirized it. The CCP aren't a bunch of Maoists.
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>>213661028Criticism of Mao will send you to jail. Pic related
>>213660951yep. They just flush down the money. Very sad!
Why Mao turn China into shithole and kill so many Chinese?
>>213661027I’ve already said itt that I’m British. Typical stupid communist shill can’t read properly lol
>>213661053To Live by Yu Hua is all about the tragedy of the CR, even a movie was made about it. Nuanced criticism is allowed, smashing sculptures of national heroes is retarded and people should be imprisoned for it anywhere.
>>213661128>You can criticize mao>NOT LIKE THAT HE IS A HERO (who murdered 40 million Chinese)
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Japs need to be nuked until they accept mainstream historical consensus about the massacres and genocides they committed against Korea and China
>>213661224The Japanese are failures. They only managed to kill 4 million Chinese where based mao killed 10x more Chinese.
>>213661243Not until CCP shills admit Mao killed 40 million Chinese
>>213661198I'm not making a point about civil rights but about the CCP recognizing the faults of the Maoist era to the point they tolerate some criticism over it.
>>213661258The CCP itself called attention to Mao's errors in their '81 Resolution
>>213661258Mentally ill individual unable to discuss a single topic without making false equivalences and whataboutism
>>213657774 (OP)JAPAN DID NOTHING WRONG!
- Japan
>>213661755Who are you quoting?
>>213661788Japan is an honest country
>>213658613lmao someone fucked up and signed on the wrong line imagine doing that on such an important document
I love China and I'll make sure this flag will become Singapore 2.0 soon.
>>213661962>Japan is an honest countryNarrator: That, too, was a lie.
>>213661996Japan is the only country where a wallet full of money will be returned to you. This is because Japanese value honesty and good morals
>>213658228>Japs have evil tendencies that must be kept in check by its superior neighborsNo, it must be kept in check by the US
and it's all on all-nationz
>>213662063Funny that I'd see that comment today. That's what I used to think. That good morals were the cause. I really wanted it to be that. Now I see that sadly, it's probably not. What's more likely is extreme conformism. Following the rules. That means that for the Japanese society to work it's dependent on the source of the conformism being good. There's no individual level safeguard. Which means that if you pollute the source, it could just as well give rise to extreme evil. And you know, the world has changed before and will just change more than it ever has moving forward.
>>213662443Japanese people follow rules and have a collective society because they have good morals. Japanese are taught the value of quiet consideration for others and giving without expecting anything in return. This is what makes Japan special
