Thread 213661082

finally, Romania will be classified as central europe now

>>213661082 (OP)
instant thirdie sign
impossible in GERMANICVM
also im sure 10 years after this renovation there will be an A/C unit under every second window + a satellite dish under every third, let alone there will be graffiti on every wall and the plaster will be already falling off because of how cheap quality of the renovation was

i know all of it from here and since Romania is 10 years behind Poland, you can expect it in your country too

>>213661132
westards are such autists whern it comes to ACs on facades

>>213661157
you could just open your freezer and close down the windows. why this uglyness

>>213661157
well, westies simply prefer aesthetics over comfort, that's their culture
and well, westies do have A/C, simply they install A/C units on roofs of buildings, put it on the floor of their balconies or if they already have to hang it on the wall they do that on the side of the building that cannot be seen from the street
so you can find the balance between aesthetics and comfortable life if you only put some effort in that, yet most non-firsties simply don't care and choose the easiest way
that's why the west rules the world and thirdies are their subjects

>>213661082 (OP)
Siebenburgen has always been central Europe

>>213661317
>has always been central Europe
...and never part of Romania before Hungary was robbed in Trianon (may this name be damned)

>>213661082 (OP)
convert to Catholic or Protestantism.
other central europe is like that.

>>213661407
now show same map but with atheism included.

>>213661488
funnily, found it.

>>213661488
>with atheism included.
this wouldn't make sense because declaration of atheism or belonging to a religion is a matter of culture/politics in the country rather than genuine attitude to religion

in Belarus everyone, at least in the cities, in practically atheist yet people declare themselves as orthodox or catholic because it's just a cultural thing

real levels of religiosity are more or less equally low across west and east Germany, yet west Germans declare themselves as religious, while east Germans - as irreligious because of historical and political reasons

>>213661132
>a satellite dish
what year is it grandpa

>>213661622
it's still a thing in eastern Europe, don't ask me why
or more like i know the reason - apartments are owned individually, not by corporations like it is in the west, and because of that it's impossible just to install one satellite dish on the roof and transfer the signal to all apartments because each of the owners would come up with weird arguments like
>why does this satellite dish receive signal from Astra and not from Hot Bird? I want Hot Bird!
>no, I want Astra
>why is the dish black and not white?
>do you mean you're gonna drill in my PRIVATE apartment to put a cable here? fuck off
>I don't watch TV and won't pay maintenance fee to repair this dish

you cannot even understand how people here are
im 100% sure it is the same in Romania, this is a pan-eastoid thing

>>213661764
I don't really see this shit in Lithuania, maybe on some rural houses in bumfuck nowhere.

>>213662014
Lithuania is a Nordic country, different rules apply
your people can simply find a compromise for common good and aesthetics is important to them
it's already impossible in Poland, let alone a Balkan country like Romania

>>213662072
While Poland I would argue is at the same level as Lithuania maybe even slightly ahead economically, but sometimes Poland does give off third world vibes when I see ads/billboards literally everywhere in some places fences, house walls, windows etc. Looks disgusting.

>>213662129
>but sometimes Poland does give off third world vibes when I see ads/billboards literally everywhere in some places fences, house walls, windows etc. Looks disgusting.
I agree, that's my point, we are closer to the Balkans than to Baltic states mentally in this regard
though you can see this shit even in far north Russia so it must be just a Slavoid cultural thing too, weirdly understood individualism

>>213662129
Lithuania isn't perfect either

>>213662196
I'm not saying it is.

>>213662209
i see satellite dishes here and there on the walls in Lithuania too so it's not like you have any laws against it
maybe your satellite tv providers are not competitive in comparison to cable tv providers or something, anyway, it doesn't look like people do it out of aesthetic reasons because if it was true then you couldn't even spot one example like this as there would be harsh fines for that (same like it is in Germanic countries)

not a satellite dish but kek
Belarussians will simply colonize Vilnius and then vote to unite it with Belarus

this feels very Poland-like, even with that old Soviet antenna on the top

>>213662297
neonationalists are an invasive species

>Wilno

Miss me with that slavoid hell hole.

It was 40% Slav, like 10 years ago now with Belarusians and Ukrainians, I wouldn't be surprised Lithuanian speakers are minority now there. There are a lot of ongoing discussions among top politicians right now because you barely hear Lithuanian anymore, Russian language is dominating.

>>213662376
you found a smart way how to subdue Lithuania without one shot fired
you can export 1 million Belarussian to Vilnius, for you it will be barely felt as it's only 10% of your population but that will be enough to outvote Lithuanians there

>>213662426
We are being subdued by Pakis who are soon to outvote ourselves.

The 150k he talked about? Already here. Probably more.

>>213662467
Well since eastoid politicians love to start wars they can lead them with Pakis because I ain't bleeding for anyone that betrays the country like this.

>>213662467
Pakis won't have voting rights unless they marry Natashas. But Natasha will never marry a poor Muslim delivery boy, right?

>>213662517
>a poor Muslim delivery boy
Natasha works in a grocery store, makes $500 a month. The Muslim works in a factory, makes $1000 a month. They are the new elite.
I constantly see the half-Muslim families, the kids at least look white for some reason.

Why colonize Lithuania if we can't colonize ourselves?

>>213662562
>Why colonize Lithuania
it is just happening
>>213662404

>>213662642
it's more of a liberaha exodus from increasingly muslimified shitholes.
Once Luka and Putin will be gone they will come back to organize LGBT parades to make Muslims feel uncomfortable amongst themselves, provoking them to leave.

>>213662642
All the Tajiks, Uzbeks and other Mahmedovs who are from central Asia who work as food couriers and taxi drivers are Russian speaking as well, glad I don't live in that shithole.

The times I visit and get into taxi these alahu akbars or east slavs start speaking Russian with you like it's the norm and assume you understand them and sometimes get butthurt when you say that you don't, since I'm not Wilnonian, grim thing to see whenever I go there.

Tranny city.

>>213662743
Kaunas will be like that too sooner or later, there is no escape with your incredibly low birth rates

>>213662743
>tranny city
I don't get it.
If it's tranny city, why do Muslims move there? Aren't they incompatible?

Here, Muslims move to Minsk because we have traditional values coupled with poverty, they feel at home. But they wouldn't feel at home in Vilnius if you're all globohmo trannies there, no?

>>213662785
I'm pretty sure Minsk is still the most liberal place in Belarus. If they really cared about tradness, they'd live in some bumfuck nowhere kolkhoz village.

>>213662770
You can say that shit about any Western place, no developed proper country has native birth rate above replacement rate.

>>213662785
They come here because for Tajik while looking like a caveman is a gold mine in here earning around 1000 euros. I live in Kaunas and we have a historical mosque in here since interwar before we barely had any people going there, now it's a comedy show. I once passed nearby when their mass or whatever the fuck it's called was supposed to happen and there was I kid you not like 70-80 brownoids in the park near the mosque and 50-60 were with Bolt/Wolt food courier service backpacks on the bikes.

>>213662905
>no developed proper country has native birth rate above replacement rate.
but still there is a difference in pace of downfall when you have 1.7 vs 1.1

>>213662905
>I live in Kaunas and we have a historical mosque in here since interwar before we barely had any people going there, now it's a comedy show

funnily enough, here historical mosques are only in places where Tatars traditionally lived, so mostly eastern Polish villages and Białystok, where immigrants don't come because there are no jobs for them there
they live in big cities without mosques so they just gather in private apartments, sometimes if you're unlucky, you will have an apartment in your building converted to a mosque and every Friday the whole staircase will be filled with guys with uber eats backpacks prostrating on the stairs

>>213662828
>liberal place
In what way? People don't know what liberalism is, most don't visit western imageboards to know such words.
Also, yes, many move to small towns because that's where their factories are located, and settle in the west near Polish and Lithuanian borders. It's kinda state directed, to push them to the western parts. But majority are still in Minsk, equally dispersed across all parts of it.
>>213662905
>is a gold mine in here earning around 1000 euros
They get around the same salary here on factories. Natives get less, around $800, which makes them pretty comfy in the entire region but Germany ought to syphon them in anyway, but I think they don't go because here you feel like 'garch because they are richer than the natives, while in Germany they'd be bums

>>213662990
btw, it's kinda funny (or sad?) because afaik Tatars, who traditionally run all Muslim organizations and institutions in Poland, feel endangered by these foreign workers as their islamic customs are unknown to them but they register themselves in these institutions and simply outvote old Tatars, introducing their own rules on how to perform rituals or whatever else

>>213663005
>People don't know what liberalism is,
women walking half-naked or not going to church, that should be liberal enough for Belarussian standards

>It's kinda state directed, to push them to the western parts.
i hope people in Grodno and Brest are thankful to Aleksandr Grygorevych for that

>>213663005
Average wage here is 1435, in bigger cities it's higher so they can get around 1000 doing unskilled labour like delivering food, which every retard can do.
>>213662946
Yeah, okay I'll go fix the issue because you complained on the internet that no has an answer to.
>>213662990
>funnily enough, here historical mosques are only in places where Tatars traditionally lived

That's what it was built for.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaunas_Mosque

>>213663090
>Yeah, okay I'll go fix the issue because you complained on the internet that no has an answer to.

well, it's your choice what you will do, I just said that there is no point to laugh at Vilnius because Kaunas will soon follow this path

>>213663084
>women walking half-naked or not going to church
>not going to church is liberal
lmao, our conservatives are Soviet Communists with a veneer of pro-Russia vatnikism, what church?

Atheism is the main driving force behind our conservatives, because we are conserving the Soviet legacy. Lukashenko himself says he's an open atheist.

If you're religious -> you are a Liberal/Nationalist because you are disturbing the Soviet nostalgic status quo

>>213663208
>Lukashenko himself says he's an open atheist.
no, he always emphasizes that he's an ORTHODOX atheist, that's a huge difference

>>213663255
yeah well please don't attribute church attendance to conservatism in Russia/Belarus.
It's such a Polish/USAeian projection

>>213663443
even your atheists feel culturally attached to orthodoxy
and still, i am pretty sure rural areas have higher church attendance than Minsk which is enough to make Minsk relatively more liberal

>>213663476
No, I am from a rural area and there was literally no church in my small town and everybody believed in astrology and 'spiritual politology' mixed with Taoism/YingYaism from 2000's journals, and nostalgy over Lenin. If you were to confront a person from rural village about who Jesus is, their knowledge ends at 'he's a god'. We had a meat kombinat though.

>>213663575
>their knowledge ends at 'he's a god'.
and that's enough
an average Pole who attends the church service every week has no greater knowledge about it either

>>213663605
So Christianity can be reconcilled with pagan rituals of astrology, Chinese mysticism and Sovietism?

Well.. I guess we aren't that much different with Poles after all

>>213663643
>with pagan rituals of astrology,
yes, horoscopes are very popular among boomers here, so was Kashpirovsky or similar magicians (we had a famous guy who energetized water through TV and it supposedly cured cancer and all diseases)

>>213661082 (OP)
German school books.

>>213661590
similar thing also going on in romania
even if something like 95% declare themselves as some kind of christian denomination most of them barely go to church like once a year during easter, a lot of the time not even that because they just send someone else in the family to get the holy bread from the church and that's it
they do believe in God but they only really interract with the church when someone is born, marries, or dies.
We are considered one of the most "christian" countries in europe but if you go to church every sunday here you are either extremely traditionalist and looking to marry one of your 5 daughters off to a priest in training, or you are just a religious nutjob with some kind of mental disorder

>>213663701
it's the same in Poland
declaration of catholicism is a political/cultural thing, actual church attendance rates are low and still even most of these who go to church have no idea about what they believe in, they just go there because their mother did it, grandmother did it, so they will do that too

>>213663701
>>213663766
you're a church member if baptised and there's no benefit to apostasy

>>213663701
It was the same hundreds of years ago, you think some villager understood or cared about theology?
Non-Abrahamic religions are just praying for rain or good fortune.

>>213663813
>or cared about theology?
to the degree he was able to understand it - yes
people were at least serious about all the rituals, do's and donts etc. and religion shaped their approach to daily life

nowadays they don't even give a shit about what is a sin or what isn't, religion became totally formalized and solely part of culture, without any impact on your daily life, many people will even openly say that they don't believe in god but they still go to church for the atmosphere or something

>>213663701
A bunch started converting to Protestant cults. Adventists, Pentecostals, Latter Day Saints and others.

>>213663932
here it's mostly Jehovah Witnesses if anything (other protestant denominantions are very insignificant) but I have a feeling people do it more for the sense of community rather than religion itself

>>213663886
My great grandfather was a gambler who didn't care about his wife and son and died out of pneumonia, nobody knows even where, and got buried in some unindentified hospital grave.
In the "more traditional good old days".
I simply know how much people lie and misinterpret, if I don't see something with my own eyes then I'll never be certain that people were way more moral.
People dressed less whorishly but let's be honest at the end of the day we're the same people. I don't think fear stops majority of people from committing crimes or sin, who would commit them anyways, only the normal majority.

>>213664029
>My great grandfather was a gambler who didn't care about his wife and son and died out of pneumonia, nobody knows even where, and got buried in some unindentified hospital grave.
that was a rare case back then, much rarer than today
generally most villagers lived very predictable lives following strictly defined rules and breaking them was rare because it usually meant exclusion from the community, which back then would often mean death, because at a low stage of economic and civilizational development, individuals are not able to survive alone and before the industrial era it was not even possible to move to the city if your village community ostracized you

>>213663886
>don't even give a shit about what is a sin or what isn't
They do, but it's just certain sins of others while overlooking their own.
>>213663996
>do it more for the sense of community rather than religion itself
It's both. Some are very religious and keep hearing the stories about corrupt Orthodox priests so they convert. Others hear about the benefits/community and want in on that.

>>213663801
true, watch romania collapse in religious rankings the milisecond a legislation is introduced allowing us to decide whether we want to pay for religious institutions or not
>>213663813
I'm talking about participation. Of course at no point in history did most of christians have the philosophical/theological background to understand christianity. But at this point they don't even bother to participate in its practices.
>>213663932
not that many, some religious nutjobs around timis county that fell for american think tank sponsored mega churches trying to expand in the rest of the world. Few of them are also criminals who get some time off to pray or some shit because "it is required" to practice the religion and those churches accept pretty much everyone.
>>213663996
Jehovas witnesses are also fairly big here. Big in the sense that we can joke about not answering the door to them, or we might sometimes see them in the park trying to convert people passing by. But we do have some random protestant denominations in the banat and transilvania.

>>213664097
>true, watch romania collapse in religious rankings the milisecond a legislation is introduced allowing us to decide whether we want to pay for religious institutions or not
yes, here it is also said that the catholic church is the biggest enemy of the church tax like in Germany, because it would mean that suddenly the number of catholics formally declaring their faith would drop from 90% to like 30% at best

>>213664097
here these protestant denominations other than JWs (but they were fairly strong in Poland already before WW2 and even in communism) somehow didn't take off, even though in the 1990s many American missionairies came here but they didn't succeed a lot. Afaik they had much more success in ex-Soviet countries, especially Ukraine. I was surprised because a lot of Ukrainians I meet in Poland belong to some fringe American protestant church, baptists, adventists and so on, from my personal experience I'd say that I met more protestant Ukrainians than actually (genuinely) orthodox ones.

>>213664097
>not that many
They number more than the Catholics over here (5.97% vs 4.5) and they're slowly growing
Uniunea Penticostală
>1992
220.824
>2002
324.462
>2011
362.314
>2021
404.475

Classifying countries based on how pretty a street or a building look is peak thirdie behavior. There are much much uglier looking streets in America and I bet each one of the residents in it make more money in 1 year than you do in 3

>>213661380
>polack
>defending mongolia
typical

>>213664088
I'd need a travel machine to be sure because if people here told me it's raining outside, I'd go and check.