Thread 213684029

>The Quran mentioned that the Sun rotates on its own axis in Surah Ambiya, Chapter 21, v. 33 already 1400 years ago (!!!) even though astronomers only confirmed that in 20th century

how can you not become Muslim after learning about this fact?

>>213684029 (OP)
Cause it also says the moon was split into two.

>>213684162
sooner or later scientists will confirm this one too

>>213684230
I asked a bengali about this and he said pluto was a moon that split from neptune to be it's own planet and the vedic and greek astologers made note of this event. I have no idea how to find actual info on this and I think muslims are complete schizos

>>213685867
Seeing how deranged the average american is that should comfort you.

>>213684029 (OP)
seems rather full of itself

>>213685977
I'm normal though

>>213684029 (OP)
>astronomers only confirmed that in 20th century
Greek astronomers knew the Earth was round because the positions of the stars change depending on geographic position. Arabs travelled a lot so they must've known astronomy as well.

>>213686061
>tf
>tp
Nigga dodging bullets at school is your national sport

>>213684029 (OP)
That’s not what that verse says, you liar. Islam is a false and evil cult. The quran is a book of lies.

>>213684162
This is figurative and was never meant to be taken literal, low IQ ass nigga

>>213685977
>>213686184
keeeeeeeeeeeeeek its the pedophile cuckold here to defend pisslam

>>213686318
It seemed literal

>>213686246
This doesn't prove your point.

>>213684029 (OP)
>>213686318
Filthy subhumans.

55:19-22 - where do corals come from?

>>213686341
why do they bother when it's obviously so dumb?

I get being religious but why do they have to be such literalists and rationalize every obviously stupid thing like

>>213686353
If the Red Sea can part why can't the moon too?

>>213686372
Nigga, that quran verse just says that the moin and sun move in the sky, that isn’t proof that the quran is a holy book. The quran is an evil and false book

>>213686394
it was the reed sea in the nile delta due to tides most likely if it every occurred according to religious and non-religious biblical scholars (who arent retarded american evangelicals)

>>213686353
Sure if you read 1 verse and nothing else. You are low IQ.
It was never meant to be literal, that was later muzzlim cope to invent a miracle for Muhammad since he had none.

>>213686384
While you scramble to explain that, why does it presume a divine barrier between freshwater and saltwater?

Why does the quran deny plate tectonics in 78:6-7?

Maybe because the bisexual degenerate mentally ill Bedouin knew no better?

>>213684029 (OP)
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>>213686467
While you niggers are still finding an answer for that, are the stars literally anti-eavesdropping tools against the djinni?

https://quran.com/as-saffat/6-10

>>213686402
Show me a verse you find "evil" because you aren't convincing me.

>>213686384
>barrier between freshwater and saltwater
https://www.surfertoday.com/environment/the-fresh-water-meets-sea-water-natural-phenomenon

>>213684029 (OP)
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>>213686523
Since you're still unable to respond to anything, why does the quran deny aerodynamics?

>>213684029 (OP)
>The Quran mentioned that the Sun rotates on its own axis
It never says that you retard. It says that it travels in an orbit.
"And He is the One Who created the day and the night, the sun and the moon—each travelling in an orbit."
It is simply explaining the cycle of day and night.

>>213686537
The quran is a heretical book of lies written by a false prophet who made up lies about the Lord Jesus Christ and his crucifixion and resurrection, that point alone is proof that the Quran is evil.
>>213686557
Those two waters still mix, if they didn’t then all rivers would be backlogged by the world’s oceans and seas, and the hydrological cycle would be disrupted.

>>213686557
>ignores literally every single
>post muzzie cope about a single thing
Nigger, there is no permanent unpassable barrier

>>213686537
To not let you weasel your way out, what would you consider evil?

>>213686611
Extremely based

Op, answer:
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>>213684162
>>213684230
Kuffarbros how do we cope
https://ar.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/انشقاق_القمر

>>213686754
>arab Wikipedia is fully mooselimb
Absolutely grim

>>213686575
this ones weird, but I think it's also a bit pedantic. Obviously everything is because of God, this doesn't deny aerodynamics. Rather the physiological characteristics of birds, and aerodynamics in general, this combination of precise and perfect elements that enables birds to fly is the doing of God and is "upheld" by him the way "the heavens" are "upheld". INB4 'it's a metaphor xD'.>>213686611
There is a convergence that produces a distinction between the mixing waters visible to the naked eye, in other words something of a barrier. Though none of it matters if you do not want to believe of course.

>>213686611
What lies about Jesus Christ?

>>213686390
They slaughtered the rationalists (mutazilites), though even they'd require an extreme revisionist perspective (e.g: a long time ago in Bagdad a common perception was that the quran was just Momo's interpretation of islamic allah's message).

>>213686813
That Jesus, like others before him is a mortal prophet chosen by God. Not the son of God. Marry is his mother, virgin birth remains. Also just a human. Jesus did not die for our sins, was lifted into heaven however, and will come back to kill the antichrist (muslims believe this, too)

>>213686784
I.e, the waters still mix, the Quran is full of lies.
>>213686813
His well documented crucifixion and resurrection.

>>213686875
>quran le bad because it self-sources
>proceeds to self-source

>>213686875
If you really believe Jesus is the son of god (discounting if Jesus actually claimed this) I wanna know why. I just find it curious. Not from a muslim perspective. From a monotheistic perspective. What's your reasoning? Everything I've seen so far is kind of inane, and I won't have the water analogy either.

>>213686813
>denies His divinity
>makes Him into a coward asking others to get crucified instead
>denies His crucifixion
>denies His Resurrection
>messes up His lineage
>makes up fake heinous dialogue ascribing it to Him as in surah al maidah
>makes up fake miracles taken from the infancy gospel of Thomas (things momo heard)
>calls His followers the worst of all creatures (98:6)
>calls following Jesus the worst possible sin (shirk)
>turns into divine command the unyielding persecution, subjugation and slaughter of His followers

I could go on but I literally far more respect people that outright deny Him than this twisted mess of lies

Oh and let's not forget momo used to say he'd deflower Mary in heaven

>>213686930
You can't discount His claims.

If you believe in the Crucifixion, the eyewitness accounts (Gospels) and posterior movement that shortly started off including people willing to die for simply not denying Him, it's pretty hard to deny Him.

>>213686987
Nah associating others with the one God that is not begotten nor begets and is sufficient alone is the worst possible and unforgivable sin. For example if Muslims claimed Muhammed was the son of God, and worshiped him as God incarnate. That'd be pretty bad.

>>213686987
Islam made him a respected prophet that resides in the 6th heaven meanwhile christian jesus is kike on a stick who turns the other cheek

>>213686987
> messes up His lineage
That’s another lie of the quran that Muslims ignore, the quran claims that the Virgin Mary is the sister of the prophet Moses, mistaking her for Moses’ real sister, the prophetess Mary, born centuries before the Virgin Mary, Muhammad literally claimed that the prophet Moses was the Lord Jesus Christ’e uncle.
>>213686925
pic related
>>213686930
The Bible states that God is the Holy Trinity, and the Holy Trinity is God.

>>213687035
Christianity is the truth, while Islam is the liar and false prophet Muhammad’s fabrication.

>>213687013
Well, I'm not intent on discounting his claims. I'm discounting the potential argument that might arise from the question: Did Jesus really say that? My guess is no. Certainly I don't know though I don't believe he did. I'm not going to argue about it, because why would I? If you believe he said it, then he did.

>>213687028
>ignores almost everything in the long list
>literally proves one of my points
>>213687035
>ignores everything I wrote
>yaps whatever he heard from some dai

Man, inbreeding really did a number on y'all.

>>213687082
Hey buddy. I'm not an Arab. But I can see why you'd be so mad with that Spanish flag lmao.

>>213686780
What did you expect Arabs to be? Hindu? Taoist? Arabic pagan?

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>>213687082
Christianity is rabbi lies ur all the same cancer lel

>>213684029 (OP)
"scientific revelation in quran" is heretical to mainstream islam but is very popular among youtube imams who treat the quran like a crossword puzzle, they should be ashamed of themselves

>>213687075
It's not "did He really say it?", it's in the eyewitness accounts.

Either throw the whole thing out or don't

>>213687148
The Lord Jesus Christ is not Jewish

>>213687157
>but ali dawah said so
>gonna go watch some Farid responds ahhh

>>213687148
You do know momo copied stuff from the Talmud and the midrash?

Where do you think he got the story of Ibrahim smashing the idols?

>>213687171
It's a rabbit hole. But yes, the problem with the Bible is that what Jesus really said, from a historical perspective, is up for discussion. Whereas it isn't really, for Muhammed. In the sense, there is no scholarly debate about if what is in the quran is really the words Muhammed orated. A bunch of guys put a bunch of stuff in the bible though, and alot of them after Jesus died. For example the most explicit way in which jesus claims to be God is in Philippians 30 years after his death by Paul where he says "Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
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rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
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And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!"
This is some heretical shit bro!

>>213687311
No, the clearest instances happen throughout John, though plenty of the other Gospels have a high christology.

His claim to divinity is why the pharisees wanted to kill Him, not His claim of messiahship (there were a few contemporary messiah claimants).

For example, when He speaks of knowing Abraham, when he says "ego ime" (I Am), when He says "He who has seen me has seen the Father", etc. even John 20:28.

>>213687385
The jews always conspire against their messengers for some reason, they're oath breakers and backstabbers by habit. I'd say my example is more explicit because it's a literal, mechanical definition of Jesus' godhood. "I AM" Is a bit of a curve ball, who has seen me has seen the father is up to interpretation as certainly God's appearance is not that of Jesus, if god is to have a definite appearance at all. One has seen the light of god reflected in the perfect actions of his messenger, perhaps.

>>213687487
No, the title of Nur of allah is mohammed's and is not at all what Jesus was saying.

"I Am" wasn't metaphorical, if you read the passage it was an extremely bold claim that caused commotion as it was how YHWH presented Himself in the OT before revealing His name.

For the Jews of the time, Jesus' words were very clear and Thomas summed them up well when seeing Him, "You are my Lord and My God".

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>>213687632
To add to this, Mark 2 shows how the Jews understood Him to claim to be God (vs 6 and 7)

>>213687789
The Gospel of Mark is 40 years after the death of Jesus and less direct in the provided example than the other anon or I.
>>213687632
Mohammad is not explicitly titled the Light of God, though he is referred to in an instance as the light (guidance).
John is nearly 100 years after the death of Jesus, Historically, by an uncredited author. I still think my example is better,

>>213687239
Why do you worship some nigger who got raped by roman bvlls, do you dream of being gangbanged by men too?

>>213688277
Abrahamic religions are the truth tunisianon. Don't let the American psyopers keep fucking you up!

>>213688277
>doesn't know momo got gangbanged by black dudes
Oh boy...

>>213688258
No, the gospels are written in the first century AD (60-110AD) and that passage of Mark 2 is such a direct claim even He is being accused of claiming Divinity

>>213687171
NTA but you keep saying "eye witness" as if they were living people who could still testify and not just books handed down from millennia ago
Why should anyone take them so seriously?

>>213684162
Not mentioned in quran

>>213686384
theres no fucking way you opened 4plebs, searched for a finnish post flag claiming to be a muslim, took one from half a decade ago and posted a screenshot as an own.this is mental illness

>>213684029 (OP)
Quran also says the earth is flat and that the sun sets in a muddy puddle. Looks like that nigga Allah is not all knowing.