Thread 213685442

wypipo shouldn't have killed beautiful and unique indigenous american cultures to replace them with black pipo

>but le canibalism
Not all of them were cannibals and we have black cannibals now in Haiti

>>213685442 (OP)
While your anti black racism is repulsive I understand your sentiment. I wish ghengis Khan kept expanding west or the muslims kept conquering northwards.

I sometimes dream about a world where Rome finds the Americas before the Yakubians

>>213685486
Or China. Native Americans and East Asians share a common ancestry.

>>213685535
Nah I like shitalian culture better

>>213685481
Man I think the way natives seen the world, the way they fought wars, built their societies and their cultures so cool, so different because they were the only humans really isolated. The Euroafroasian people saw the world the same way, and the americans were the only one different
>>213685486
Would be nice

>>213685481
imagine if Ghengis Khan somehow expanded into North America...

>wypipo shouldn't have killed beautiful and unique indigenous american cultures
This assumption outs you as a dim individual. They were extirpated by disease. Had it been the arabs, the chinese, the blacks, the jeets, anyone save possibly the maori, the populations would have been decimated all the same. Nature took its course. The massacres conducted in limited areas, namely patagonia and the lower 48 united states, only culled the withered remnant populations. Even africa, about as undeveloped as the precolumbian americas, retains its native people for obvious reasons.

>>213687568
>Even africa, about as undeveloped as the precolumbian americas, retains its native people for obvious reasons.
which is

>>213685535
China had ships that arrived to the americas but they didn't conquer it because that's not the chinese way, they never conquered their neighbors either which is why India is a shithole today
>>213687608
the love timmies have for bbc

>>213685481
>anti black racism
he didnt say anything anti black at all
in fact he only said very good things
>not killing and replacing indigenous peoples is a good thing
>not kidnapping and enslaving black people is a good thing
brazil would have been much better without the absolute mess that the portuguese did both to the indigenous and african peoples, as well as themselves, and the future brazil in the process

>>213687856
My ideal world is portuguese only colonizing the north east and leaving the rest to the native americans. No genocide, no slavery, good beaches for h'whites. No suffering.

>>213687927
exactly
but my version of it includes germans and italians in the area of SC specifically, which actually was empty as fuck until they came (not even many indigenous there, let alone portuguese and gauchos, for ages)
cuz my nonni italian n shit

>>213685442 (OP)
I don't get it, Spanish America is a shithole, it's violent and almost all of their natives are still there

>>213688415
The natives aren't there, they are 50-60% spanish but have brown skin due to white genes being extremely fucking weak. Also, they don't have their culture and languages anymore (Bolivia and Peru retained well). And the reason of spanish america being a total shithole was due to US imperialism and dumb leaders during the countries independences.

>>213685442 (OP)
True

>>213687927
Portuguese in southeast and dutch in northeast

They weren't tourists there to observe the culture nigga they did it to get rich

>>213685442 (OP)
Just imagine anons...

>>213688761
>And the reason of spanish america being a total shithole was due to US imperialism

Please they were richer than USA in 18th century

>>213685442 (OP)
>but le canibalism
what now

>>213685442 (OP)
>we have black cannibals now in Haiti
Why do people keep repeating this. It sounds like some weird brown projection.

>>213687568
>the populations would have been decimated all the same. Nature took its course
False. The diseases came with forced population movement, conquests, punishing rebellion and forced labour that worked them to death. All those factors combined burned the population down. The diseases alone wouldn't have killed them off because the entire world had massive disease outbreaks from day 1.

>>213685442 (OP)
True. It's very sad what happened. Let's learn from the past and not repeat it to any other groups

>>213685481
But then you wouldn't exist

>>213687417
I would like to see if was a short invasion and then set back after failure or giving up cause they didn't find anything good but leaving the trauma to the locals like they did in Japan, imagine how much they would change

>>213685481
if your wish came true you'd be wiping your brown ass with stones

So Brazilians are mad because instead of look like Peru or Mexico they look like Morocco or Tunisia? Jajajajajaja

>>213688971
Is this what your drunk elder tells you? Get a job leech

>>213687608
They had resistance to the diseases
>>213687741
Eternally seething groidmutt

>>213689288
>They had resistance to the diseases
They didn't. The died to diseases and faced after effects like fertility loss or disability

>>213689266
How are you this triggered by basically history you fragile baby?

>>213687741
No they didn’t but yeah the chinese mostly didn’t conquer outside their core region (except to secure trade and tribute from non-organised peoples lands) because they were arrogant and just wanted other entities to acknowledge the middle kingdom were better than them

>>213689288
the only african country that got colonized in the traditional european way was Algeria which suffered a genocide, if the rest of africa got the treatment native americans got in the United States, Canada, Argentina, or Brazil africans would be a minority in africa just as in America

>>213689322
That's why there's a billion of them and like 200k of you despite europeans taking 3 times as long to traverse the western hemisphere?

>>213685535
Yeah man, I literally consider myself east Asian because I have like 10% native American blood, true.

Them aztecs needed to be thought a lesson. It's like in my capeshit where the world unites to beat the big evil.

>>213689392
If anything you wrote were true mongduras wouldn't be a complete shithole

>>213689407
>That's why there's a billion of them
You do realize there's way way more people in Asia right? Think more retard

>>213689243
>So Brazilians are mad because instead of look like Peru or Mexico they look like Morocco or Tunisia
It's just some autist with native fetish, you see plenty of these in USA too. All Latin America is a shithole so it's pretty useless talk about this lol

>>213687856
They didn't kidnap blacks, black people sold black people like groceries to people who wanted to buy, when you say it was a kidnap you remove the 'black person selling the black person' part from the story

>>213689447
I have no time to explain you everything so watch this video instead
https://youtu.be/kTKogX9O7dY?si=eC6lmPc1iLYhKHjW

>>213689468
Brazilians are like Israeli, they don't have one standard look, race or skin colour. Saying Brazilians are black, white or mixed or whatever is the same as saying that Israeli are Caucasians, or Arabs or Tunisians or whatever.

>>213689243
There is a Brazilian poster obsessed with natives. I think he is this guy.

>>213689481
That was a thing but you do know that actual kidnapping by Euros was also done too right? The capture and mivement of slaves was extremely diverse in it's actors and traders. More so whe there were trade fort and castles securing a strong trade monopoly and flooding the market with firearms and "trade with only me or this list of "okay clients".

>>213689585
Sorry I mean "list of permissible clients". The coastal slave trade and the deeper trade were two different beasts so to speak so their dynamics played out differently over the centuries.

>>213689614
And a ton of plantations and farms in the new world tended to kidnap black freeman, escaped slaves or various other groups like Indians who were hiding away or Europeans escaping indentured labour, the law, abusive contracts or some powertripping guy out to get them. It's how several really communities actually formed in the new world.

>>213689585
>That was a thing
It wasn't a thing, it was THE thing, the vast majority of africans were sold by other africans as slaves to europeans

>>213689561
Actually is my first post here about natives, I usually post about women

>>213689195
muslims taught you how to read. be grateful

>>213685481
Based
>>213685442 (OP)
It was an excuse to wipe them out. Muslims can say these whites are grooming out their kids, they need to be wiped out not converted .
Whites and Jews are very good at propaganda with that one thing to repeat.
>>213688761
This
The Indio need to mass breed as latinos age out

>>213689698
Way to oversimplify it.

>>213689718
Your posts are easily recognizable
le natives wre cool, Pocahontas, etc

>>213689468
Why there aren't Argentinians with native fetish? I've never seen an Argentinian poster with native fetish.

>>213690017
You are part native

>>213690118
Is it true that everyone can claim to be opressed if you are 5% native?

>>213685442 (OP)
when were wypipo ever over there in any capacity?

>>213690017
I'm not him
>>213690041
Cause they don't have many natives like us and natives aren't part of their imginary, aren't taught in elementary school like is here etc

>>213690284
sar we portuguese and spanish are white, and there was English, Dutch and French here

Your fault for not invented sail and not contacted with china and too tolerant towards christian

>>213690336
>Cause they don't have many natives
Not the quoted, Argentina is full of natives, and natives are rare as fuck in the whole Brazilian east coast

>>213690390
That's explain why they don't fetichize them

>>213690352
>too tolerant towards christian
this really is the root of the problem. Japanese did the right thing by exterminating them.

>>213690352
Yes you should have contacted Morocco and converted to Islam, Inshallah

>>213685442 (OP)
The white man simply cannot resist genociding the indigenous population and replacing them with indians, qfricans and chinese, as in the Caribbean, the american South, Malaysia, Indonesia and Taiwan.

>>213690554
Can you believe the british bring indians to south america

>>213685442 (OP)
>to replace them
Blame bad choices diplomatically(and Andrew Jackson, that anti-constitution fuck). Natives kept siding with the french or brits and got fucked

Meso-andean cultures were ripe for colonialism due to their mode of production (asiatic mode of production).

This is a highly hierarchized society where land was communally owned (nominally it was the the property of the state) and the king/pharao/tlatoani/inca was divinity incarnated.

The unwillingess of meso-andeans to fight back against the europeans was precisely because the lack of private property and feudal lords.


In fact, the spaniards retained this system, combining it with feudal, slave & merchantilist modes of production

In fact this complex combined economy was the main reason for the sociopolitical strife that would plague the country for years after the independence, as the educated classes clashed against all those obstolete systems in order to establish capitalism

>>213691035
The natives who complied with treaties or willing moved to make way for settlers got really fuckes up. There are several tribes living states away from their original home due to it and unfortunately also becoming invaders due to their incursions into other Indian lands or treaty territory for a new home.

>>213685481
>I wish ghengis Khan kept expanding west or the muslims kept conquering northwards.
They tried.
They lost when they encountered Germanics.

>>213690890
People/states have killed for way worse unfortunately.

>>213690890
Pretty much every culture engaged in ritualistic killing/human sacrifice at some point. I don't really get why it's seen as some insurmountable corruption within Aztec society when the core of Christianity is a human sacrifice. Hell, Catholics practice ritualistic cannibalism. The real hardcore ones don't even claim it to be symbolic, it's supposed to literally transform into human flesh and blood once consumed.

>>213691297
Not really
>>213685481
Genghis conquered but he didn't do mass genocide of the people he conquered

>>213691170
>unwillingess of andeans to fight back against the european
>fighting lasting nearly 50 years
>unwillingness to fight back

>>213691170Coastal Andean sails existed. Retractable centerboards too, which some Europeans tried to popularize back home with no success.

And though he didn't reach Asia, general (and future emperor) Inca Tupac Yupanqui may have reached Oceania/Melanesia, well either that or that part of Panama that might have been inhabited by Melanesians

>>213691170
Coastal Andean sails existed. Retractable centerboards too, which some Europeans tried to popularize back home with no success.

And though he didn't reach Asia, general (and future emperor) Inca Tupac Yupanqui may have reached Oceania/Melanesia, well either that or that part of Panama that might have been inhabited by Melanesians

>>213692050
>centerboards too, which some Europeans tried to popularize back home with no success
And eventually were popularized, but for other reasons. After Americans won the 1851 Isle of Wight race.

>well either that or that part of Panama that might have been inhabited by Melanesians
Which Nuñez de Balboa saw while discovering the Mar del Sur (Pacific Ocean), which was part of his search for the Inca Empire (before being betrayed by his subordinate Francisco Pizarro, who had him taken to his execution)

>>213685442 (OP)
>paint wood
>paint face
>worship random bullshit
>wow such a beautiful and unique culture you have Dakota!

It's like praising a childs drawing. Primitive cultures don't matter and should be forgotten. What we should care about is elevating humanity. Sorry if that sounds harsh.

>>213685442 (OP)
I imagine they be like SEA without Spanish influence minus Philippines

>>213689533
>like israeli
Never considered using them as an example of phenotypically a-placeable countries. Turkey would’ve come to mind first

>>213691170
As the other anon pointed out, where are you getting their “unwillingness to fight back” from?

>>213692110
>Which Nuñez de Balboa saw while discovering the Mar del Sur
Pic related, from Gomarra’s, a pretty strange part of the account, especially since Cuarecua was inland. Otherwise, maybe extremely early Maroons, or some particularly dark-skinned Amerindian group, a very few times Spanish reports across the Americas described (probably some very swarthy) indian people as negros or so it seems.

>>213694731
>which was part of his search for the Inca Empire
This is from History of the Indies, Book 3, by Bartolome de las Casas

>>213685481
>I wish ghengis Khan kept expanding west or the muslims kept conquering northwards.
Non-humans lost

>>213692211
Bartolome Ruiz was a ship captain of Pizarro, this was in Ecuador's north coast:

They captured a ship with up to twenty men, of whom eleven jumped into the water; the others were taken by the pilot, except three who were left on shore so they could go; these three were taken many leagues away, treated very well, and brought with him. This ship, I say, seemed to have the capacity of thirty tons; it was made with a flat bottom and keel from canes as thick as posts, tied with ropes of a plant called henequen, like hemp, and the upper parts of other thinner ropes, also tied with the same ropes where the people came from, and the merchandise in henequen, because the lower part was wet. It carried masts and yards of very fine wood, and cotton sails of the same style as our ships, and a very good rigging of said henequen, which I say is like hemp, and some wide oars shaped like a barber’s grinding wheel.

They carried many pieces of silver and gold for adorning their persons, to barter with those they were going to trade with, wearing crowns and diadems, belts, bracelets and armor, such as leg and chest plates, gorgets and rattles, strings and frames of beads and rosaries, mirrors and decorated silver items, goblets and other drinking vessels. They carried many wool and cotton blankets, shirts and tunics, cloaks and capes, and other fine clothes, most of them richly worked, of colors such as crimson and carmine and yellow and brown, and other colors, of various embroidery styles, with bird and animal figures, fish and trees. They also carried small gold weights shaped like Roman coins, and many other items.

Some necklaces had small emerald stones, other green stones, crystal pieces and amber. All this they carried to barter for fish shells, such as the ones they make into red or white beads, almost filling the ship with them.

>>213692050
>Tupac Yupanqui may have reached Oceania/Melanesia
One of the Spaniards who recorded it, Pedro Sarmiento de Gamboa, after holding a congress with representatives of the 12 Inca royal families in Cusco and interviewing +100 quipucamayoc, was so convinced of it that, after much long insistence, he finally obtained permission from the Viceroy to sail across the Pacific in search of those islands supposedly inhabited by black people, where he believed the Incas had left gold mines.

But the permission came with the condition that the Viceroy’s nephew be made leader of the voyage. They discovered Tuvalu, Guadalcanal, the Marshall Islands, Wake Island, and the Solomon Islands, the ones they placed the most hope in having the elusive mines, clinging to the hope they were in fact the legendary mines of King Solomon.

Later, Alvaro de Mendaña, the Viceroy’s nephew, decided to make a subsequent voyage to the Solomon Islands 25 years after he nepobaby’d Sarmiento’s position. He died during the voyage, but his wife, Isabel Barreto, became the first Spanish female captain before the crew mutinied.

>>213685442 (OP)
They did it because of the goyslop, sugarcane farms required labor. Rum and cola is the massa's choice ever since.

>>213694773
Nice I always wanted to know more about the natives and empires of America