Thread 213707371

>you declared war on the US AND THE USSR?
>mama Mi-ACK
Why are italians like this

>>213707371 (OP)
If only Bablochad had prevented him from joining Germany

My grandma used to think that Mussolini was really handsome

Funny how only the inferior Italian was the smart one

>>213707371 (OP)
Must have tried some of Hitler's goodies in this photo

>>213707371 (OP)
ja herr mussolini don't wörry, i hav had ze zecret miiting wif a spesiall mann, hi will hälp us

>>213707809
It's Balbo
Bablo sounds ridiculous lol
>>213707852
Not smart enough to mind our fucking business

allso i hav made ein allianz wif ze aliens it's all gonna be all rite

>>213707892
sorry, i always read it like a bablo, it's probably because of my dyslexia or the fact that i'm drunk right now

another question, why does every fascist high command make such a meme face, i have never seen a funny picture of a commie or allies like the italian fascists do.

>>213707809
Earth rocker bros, we are so back

>>213707852
>Armchair general on 4chins knows better guys who spent their entire lives fighting wars
Plenty of historians agree that the USSR was going to invade Germany, eventually. The best course of action for Germany was to attack them first while the red army was still unprepared.
The USA was also essentially at war with Germany anyway even before the Japanese attacked.

Do you think the reason why the USSR and Germany went to war was because they had incompatible ideologies, or because they were both imperialist and wanted to conquer and control the same land?

>>213708242
Should have finished with the uk before starting a second front

Hitler, Goring, Saddam etc was CIA plant to make western forces occupy their country or destabilize the country
You can't refute this

>>213708277
With what navy?

>>213708153
i prefer it as balbo

>>213708153
Khrushchev had his moments after the war
Here on tour in Iowa he was grabbing a farmer's stomach and said "That's a real American!"

>>213708459
lel

>>213708153
We are a theatrical peopo

>>213708427
>>213708459
Mussolini had aussie heritage?

>>213708427
>>213708459
Post wrists you obsessed bolognese commie faggot

how come germany was so much more better at war when their leaders weren't as chadlike as their italian counterparts?

>>213708824
Idk about Germans but Italians really did not care for it, nobody except Mussolini wanted to fight

>>213708138
Kek. Underrated

>>213708824
they attacked soviets unprovoked.

>>213707371 (OP)
>>213708138
kek, you guys finally made a funny meme

>>213709352
Stalin was getting ready to take over europe

>>213707371 (OP)
But why the fuck did the nazis declare war on the USA though??

>>213708242
No they werent lmao. it's well written that Stalin was ignoring information on Germany Army build up on the Polish Border by his Intelligence agencies. Their army was extremely outdated in 1941 so was most of their equipment. He was genuinely shocked when they attacked the USSR. You give them too much credit like how we gave Russia too much credit in the early days of the Ukranian invasion

>>213709538
Hitler was legit retarded when it comes to his Allies. Italy didn't even really want a world war, Japan didn't evne bother fuxcking helping Germany. they signed a non agression pact with the soviets despite Germany declaring war on the US

>>213709694
>Stalin was ignoring information on Germany Army build up on the Polish Border by his Intelligence agencies
>Their army was extremely outdated in 1941 so was most of their equipment
>He was genuinely shocked when they attacked the USSR
this is all true, however none of it conflicts with the fact that the USSR and nazi germany were wholly incapable of coexistence. hitler and stalin both knew this, and hitler knew he had to attack before the red army modernised and replaced its purged officers. frankly they picked the best possible time to attack, and did as well as they possibly could have.
stalin had deluded himself into thinking that he could buy a few more years of peace by making political deals and supplying germany with food
>>213708271
it can be both. one of the reasons why the nazis lost the eastern front was because of their ideology. almost nobody in the captured USSR territories wanted to fight for the germans despite the suppression of their national identities by the USSR, because the german disdain and intentions for the eastern european peoples was very clear from the start

>>213708451
kinda based ngl.

>>213709538
they were going to be at war with the US anyway, so they used the japanese as somekind of distraction for the US.

>>213708824
much better industry and tech + more experienced military
>>213709279
Italian soldiers were fine, the Italian war industry was just shit

>>213709804
>Italy didn't even really want a world war
don't know about that, they declared war on france just to cheekily grab some territory since france was on the verge of capitulating to the germans. and their war against greece, which was neutral at that point.

my biggest question is why italy never learnt from their previous war experiences, out of all the major powers italy had the most recent experience in war with their huge contribution to the nationalists in spain and their recent war with ethiopia

>>213713518
>no reason
greece was faced to choose italian or british protectorate. They choose british and sealed their fate

>>213715068
>sealed their fate
>In the preface to the collection of documents published in 1965 by the Italian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the historian and diplomat Mario Toscano summed up the war as follows: "As we all know, the campaign against Greece ended in total failure. This was due, as the published material confirms, to Mussolini's conviction, based on indications he received from his colleagues, that the campaign would be decided in the political rather than the military sector. The consequences of this error were so serious as to bring about Italy's complete subjection to Germany as far as the political and military direction of the war was concerned.
WOW total italian victory

>>213708824
because italians didn't care about it, war is for retards

>>213708824

Absolutely no one in Italy wanted to go to war, not even mussolini. They knew they only had to lose from it, but ended up participating anyway because of FOMO and thinking Germany was winning so much that they would end up conquering all of Eurasia

>>213709538

He hoped the Japs would give the favor back by declaring war to the soviets so that the Russians would have to sustain war on two fronts and collapse.
Obviously the Japs were smarted than him and didn't do any of that.

>>213710331
> almost nobody in the captured USSR territories wanted to fight for the germans despite the suppression of their national identities by the USSR, because the german disdain and intentions for the eastern european peoples was very clear from the start
Who would've believed the Nazis posturing as good guys after seeing what had happened to Poland

>>213708824
The war had zero popular support, and I'm not sure about it but I feel like even the elites weren't that enthusiastic about it

>>213707847
why did her opinion change?
>>213708824
italy didnt have the war fervor that germans did because
1) they werent punished as hard as germany after versailles treaty
2) they arent as spastic as germans in general, never believed in the hyperborea meme
3) they were more cunning/calculated and knew that it was unwinnable, so their hearts werent in it

>>213718489
>1) they werent punished as hard as germany after versailles treaty
Italy was in the Allied powers during WW1 retard

>>213718545
yeah hence they didnt suffer after the versailles treaty moron.can u read?

>>213718568
> they werent punished as hard
That would imply they were punished.

>>213718590
they still lost zadar, spalato to yugoslavia. just read plainly, stop tryig to be clever bong.

>>213708824
even today germany is capable of making machine tools that no one else in the world is capable of making. they are critical to our supply chains. this includes the fabled ASMC to TSMC to Nvidia pipeline which actually starts all in Germany.

>>213720006
>no one else in the world would bother to make, because German companies already have some available, and can afford to undercut the competition for a year or two, should any arise.

>>213717757
well yeah exactly, i just mean the nazis could never have won the war for the simple reason that they were nazis

>>213707809
>In 1939, after the German invasion of Poland, Balbo visited Rome to express his displeasure at Mussolini's support for German dictator Adolf Hitler. Balbo was the only Fascist of rank to publicly criticize this aspect of Mussolini's foreign policy. He argued that Italy should side with the United Kingdom, but he attracted little following to his argument. When informed of Italy's formal alliance with Nazi Germany, Balbo exclaimed: "You will all wind up shining the shoes of the Germans!"[2]
Imagine a victorious fascist Italy lol

>>213708271
It was mainly because german industrialists wanted more colonies to exploit and they had zero capacity to actually steal british colonies, so the best option was USSR which was being boycotted by the whole world

>>213708824
Himmler was soul
That and italy has been Germany wingman since rome fell

>>213720102
untrue. other countries have tried to compete with the level of precision germany has and none have succeeded. japan is the closest but they only dominate mid range, the high end is exclusively german.

I'm watching Mussolini Son of the Century atm
I find it hard to believe that the real Mussolini was such a unprincipled opportunist who did everything for power and adoration

>>213721686
Brosef, I work for a company that machines parts for local companies that can't wait for a German to come and install German things on German machines. We do exact replicas.
We do use largely German equipment to do it, and quite often German steel when the replica has to be exact (like when Hans is coming by next month to do a checkup), but it's not like Germany has an actual physical advantage when it comes to sub mm tolerances. It's almost entirely cash, red tape, and some silly little man with a silly little accent saying things like "How can you function with these gaps in your machinery? No wonder everything here is breaking down all the time. For a mere two-mill-i-on American Dollars, we could guarantee you a machine that will only need to be taken down for eight to ten days of preventative maintenance over the next two years."

The Nazi-Italian alliance was a joke.

>Hitler called the Italians a "gypsy" people and almost certainly not the descendants of Cicero and Caesar
>Mussolini opposed the Anschluss because he didn't want to share a border with Germany and wanted to retain Austria as a buffer state
>He also thought Nazi racial ideologies were asinine
>Germany was forced to divert resources to rescue Mussolini from his fuck-ups in the Balkans and North Africa

> Germany do all the fighting in France
> Italy declares war on Allies in last minute after all hard work was done

> Japan signs non-aggression pact with Russia
> Germany declares war on Russia

> Japan declares war on USA
> Germany also declares war on USA


Axis powers were retarded on strategic coordination

>>213721524
would probably the best outcome of all outcomes. no migration, forced italianization but softer and people would be willing to join it. facist. catholic.

>>213707371 (OP)
>when the nordcuck found the BBC files..

>>213723556
kek

>>213708427
>>213708459
Mussolini faking his death confirmed

>>213707371 (OP)
Erm akshually that's Göring in the picture, sweaty

>>213717796
>even the elites weren't that enthusiastic about it
they were, don't forget that we didn't want ww1 either
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioso_maggio

>>213720006
it's ASML and they're dutch

>>213721793
The guy who went from socialism to the far right doesn't strike you as an ''unprincipled opportunist''?

>>213721654
Musso literally asked Hitler for the Reich to treat Italy as a handmaiden, and not a whore.

>>213707371 (OP)
This really is a good photo
Nordgroid neuroticism would never convey such emotion in a still photo.
Mussolini looks like he's about to knock goring out over a huge fuckup

>>213708167
kek I can sort of see it especially in >>213708153

Mussolini was only based during the Italian Social Republic which was basically NS.

heil hitler

>>213708824
>how come germany was so much more better at war
they weren't. it's just early adoption of mechanization, but they were actually retarded doing that with no fuel and small industry. complete lack of forward-thinking! if you ask a german how would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning he wouldn't know! many such cases

>>213721654
>That and italy has been Germany wingman since rome fell
We've been equal partners for 99% of our history, unironically

>>213722267
>>Hitler called the Italians a "gypsy" people and almost certainly not the descendants of Cicero and Caesar
Source: my last romance or however the bbc is worshipped

>>213721793

He literally imprisoned his first wife and his own son in a mental asylum because they were becoming a PR problem for him.
Mussolini had no principles, he just wanted to have people under him doing what he said. Look Ida Dalser and Benito Albino on Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ida_Dalser

>>213718545
That's the thing, right after the end of the Great War the common sentiment in Italy was that the outcome was incomplete, and that the Allies didn't respect the promises made to Italy, hence why D'Annunzio (who's one of the most influential intellectual figures of the early XX century in Italy) coined the famous expression "vittoria mutilata"

>>213722267

It was doomed from the start. I blame mussolini the most because as much as an idiot he was, he still had the braincells to understand the shitstorm he was getting in, while Hitler was simply a lunatic

>>213727453
Imperial spirit o algo
Both worship eagles like the romans

>FUCK YOU FRANCE FUCK YOU BRITAIN FUCK DEMOCRACY
>*allies with France and Britain*
>My biggest fanboy took power in Germany ? Fuck him
>*Signs Stresa pact*
>What do you mean I can't invade some irrelevant nigger country ? Fuck you France, fuck you Britain, Germany is my new friend now
>No actually I still hate Germany and that stupid führer, Austria is my new friend, I will protect Austria even if it ends with a war against Germany
>*doesn't protect Austria*
>Ends up allied with Germany
>*gets crushed by outnumbered French soldiers*
>*100k Italian soldiers get compass'd by 30k British soldiers*
>H-...Hitler-sama... Help me please
>Oh my garlic, Hitler is so good at crushing armies I must show him who is the boss
>Yes, axis-friendly Greece is the perfect choice
>*ends up fighting pro-Axis Yugoslavia LIKE A BAWSS*
>H-HITLER SAMA WHERE ARE YOU HELP ME PLEASE I BEG YOU

>>213728098
Lmfaoo

>>213728098
>>*gets crushed by outnumbered French soldiers*
All true except this, you froggies didnt crush shit you just waited on the mountain passes while the fascists ordered the italian soldier to charge forward

>>213728248
Actually Italian soldiers crushed themselves alone because they were too dumb to give big socks to their troops, therefore most Italian prisoners and injuries were caused by frozen feet

>>213707371 (OP)
I mean why Hitla just didn't stop at Poland-CZ
And why would he ally with Poopalini and Shirohito

>>213728357
The french were conquered by the romans.
They dont have a language of their own
They just speak italian bastard rapebaby

As a nation. France is a walking humilliation riual

>>213728357
It'a worse than that, when the fascists understood Framce was going to crumble like a pile of wet sand they tried to kill as many italians as possible on the shortest time span so they could say at tge peace tables that many italiana died against the french.
That's how evil and dumb they were and this explains operation compass. They were beyond retarded, they purposefully set up the italian military for failure and then they were surprised when the army was crushed by the enemy. Fascists are more retarded than literal mongoloids, but mongs are not evil while fascists were evil to boot

looking back on it in retrospect and realizing that teaming up with the soviets was a terrible idea, what would you have done differently if you were the leader of britain/the US?

>>213727003
ASML is entirely dependent on German machine tools and chemicals.
>It's all Germany?
>Always has been

>>213707371 (OP)
>bro the superior race war shit was a grift retard it isint real dumbass

>>213728418
Shut the fuck up rootless half-redskin bastard
Why do Italians speak Tuscan bastard rapebaby ? And why do Tuscans don't speak Etruscan ?
And why did your terroni ancestors stopped speaking Greek ? Thanks to whom your ancestors' land was cleared off Muslims ?

>>213727371
>Mussolini was only based during the Italian Social Republic which was basically NS.

lmao no it was based because it was basically communism, he didnt have nothing to lose so he made his younger age socialist fantasies a reality and nationalizeed all big industries and implenmented other extreme socialist policies

>>213729984
Kekd

>>213728098
gem
>>213708271
They were dialectical enemies, it was essentially fated for the two of them to fight a brutal ideological war with each other.
>>213717593
>He hoped the Japs would give the favor back by declaring war to the soviets
This is straight up incorrect when you actually read what German command was actually saying - they wanted the Japanese to strike Singapore while they took Russia and deliberately didn't tell Japan about their plans because of that.
>>213717757
>muh poor heckin' JESUS OF EUROPE pooland!
ahahahahah
>>213727905
nice reddit image, how is it Italians on /int/ are such obnoxious faggots?

they got btfo by britain and had to turn east for oil

>start a war for lebensraum
>end up losing land
what did germs mean by this?

>>213731653
Me when the yellow man from down under is speaking:

>>213708527
yeah that what i love about italian peoples, exepfully durring that time. i wish more peoples act like that in our times.

>>213732551
>drug addicted megalomananiac who is into occultism
Literally what's the difference with modern politicians

>>213733546
modern politicians = 0 sovl

>>213733824
>modern

>>213731653
>This is straight up incorrect when you actually read what German command was actually saying - they wanted the Japanese to strike Singapore while they took Russia and deliberately didn't tell Japan about their plans because of that.

That doesn't make much sense. Do you have any sources?

>>213732551

This balding manlet once said that the perfect pussy must look like a folded slice of prosciutto crudo

How do you feel about Hitler?

>>213735103
He was a snappy dresser, and a sensitive man.

>>213735103
Hitler was a one of the man of all time

>>213735298
How was he sensitive? I'm not trolling by the way, genuinely curious.
My country is completely irrelevant to WWII but I think it's incredibly interesting.
The Nazi uniforms showed Hitler's inner successful artist.

>>213730733
Yeah so National Socialism like I said.

>>213736622
I was trolling. There's a band called Anal Cunt with a song titled Hitler was a Sensitive Man with verses like
He went to art school when he was younger
He wanted to be a painter
Hitler was a vegetarian
He was also a non smoker
and
He hired gay and handicapped officers
He was concerned about overpopulation
If Hitler was alive today
He'd listen to The Cure, The Smiths and Depeche Mode

>>213737082
>He hired gay and handicapped officers
wasn't that just Goebbels?

>>213736622
And those uniforms? Hugo Boss. Obviously there would have been some back and forth between tailor and client, but Hugo was the lead tailor, and he ultimately had to make decisions based on how feasible or terrible the ideas were... and Adolf liked his meth - he had some terrible ideas.

>>213708824
Germans were violent in the autistic school shooter chud way, Italians were only violent in the bullying football player chad way.

>>213737132
Röhm, Plagge (who was rescuing Jews)... there was a pretty large handful of both but fucked if I can remember their names.

If you're useful, you get a uniform. If not, you get the gas.

>>213708242
If I was reincarnated as Hitler with hindsight I would unironically just wait for the USSR to attack Germany first and wait for the Allies to come to our rescue.

>>213734789
It doesn't make much sense to you because your understanding of the topic is sophmoric
The success of barbarossa hinged on it being a 6 month operation. japan wouldn't have even been able to fight the USSR, and keeping the British tied up in the east was much more useful than having some skirmishes in siberia.
>>213737648
>i am just going to wait to get attacked, putting myself in a severely disadvantageous position, in the vain hope that people that hate me will "defend me", because I'd rather look good than succeed. If you kill your enemies, they win"

>>213738082
This is literally what Stalin did and it earned him half of Europe.

>>213738109
Stalin had the largest nation on earth under his command, with bountiful resources. None of the axis powers were in the position to fight a defensive war, because they weren't overflowing with oil like the Allied nations.
This shouldn't be something I have to point out but apparently none of you are capable of considering how that might play into strategy in a war.

>>213738082
The USSR was never going to attack Germany, that's just bs shitlerites say to cope with the fact they got their ass handed to them. Stalin was a chickenshit in foreign policy.

>>213738235
>The USSR was never going to attack Germany,
"The USSR wasn't about to attack germany" might be true but "they'd have never attacked germany" is a bold claim

>>213734838
This little bald man was one of the most disgusting men in Italy, yet he was considered one of their greatest Casanovas.

maybe there is hope after all...

>>213740849
Are you a famous poet, war hero and party animal?

>>213740983
errr... I'm still working on my poems... d-d'on't worry i'll be the next d'annunzio for sure

>>213737151
>he had some terrible ideas.
Such as?
And my point still stands, it's only under Hitler's rule that the best military uniforms of all time got designed and made.
>>213737082
Maybe the contrast from these sensitive traits and his extremist angry genocidal ideology is why he's still getting talked about today.

>>213741075
You need to be all three at once