Thread 213710480

Who speaks Chinese here ?
Do you think a random Chinese from Pekin in 18th century would perfectly understand a random Chinese from Pekin in 21th century ?
Or the language really evolved ?

>>213710480 (OP)
It's Beijing, chud.

>>213710480 (OP)
They could read the writing easily but the spoken vernacular would be more different.
t. Yellowfever Laowai

>>213710790
Soooooo the difference is really big in Chinese. Because a random French from Paris in 18th century would perfectly a random French from Paris in 21th century.
I mean I can read easily books from 18th century, no need modern translations for books from this era.

>>213710975
Nigga please. You can read it because French is a retardedly conservative language in its writing. The reason why so many letters are silent today is because they used to be pronounced before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv0yd1of4U4

>>213710975
You also said Beijing to Beijing which made it much easier though still difficult to understand, China had like infinity dialects back then, even cities relatively close by could not understand each other. For the Writing it's different, until the Early to mid 20th century, almost all Chinese writing was in Classical Chinese, a literay form that hadn't changed much in centuries but is different than vernacular Chinese. In this aspect Chinese can read texts from thousands of years ago with much less difficulty if they know Classical Chinese.

>>213711047
What about German my g ?

>>213710480 (OP)
Nice. How would one set about making a similar cake?

>>213713514

- 175g sugar
- 120g melted butter
- zest of one lemon
- 3 eggs
- 150g flour
- 80g lemon juice (2 small lemons)
- 1/2 teaspoon baking powder

For the icing :

- 25g lemon juice
- 130g icing sugar

Preheat the oven to 170°C

- Briefly mix the sugar and melted butter together. Do not let the mixture turn white

- Remove the zest from the lemon, taking care not to touch the zist (the white part)

- Add the lemon zest, then the eggs one by one. Then stir in the flour, baking powder, and lemon juice

- Pour the mixture into a buttered cake tin

- Bake for 30 to 45 minutes. To check if the cake is cooked, insert a knife into the center of the cake. It should come out dry

- Unmold and wrap the cake in cling film until it cools. This will preserve the cake's moisture content and softness

- Prepare the glaze by whisking together the powdered sugar and lemon juice

- Place the cake on a wire rack and cover with the frosting. Let it sit for a few minutes until the frosting hardens,, pic

BASED lemon loaf poster

>>213710975
Les français s’appellent-ils encore Bejing «Pékin», non?

Pour nous anglophones, on ne peux lire rien avant le 14ème siècle comme Beowulf ou L’hymne de caedmon. L’anglais avant le conquête d’Angleterre est comme le norvégien, totalement incompréhensible pour nous

>>213714756
Oui, Pékin, pékinois, pékinoise etc.
Il paraît que la langue saxonne du haut moyen âge était une belle langue

>>213710480 (OP)
yes mandarin was a thing even back then

>>213714756
I prefer saying Pékin, it's old French like Nankin (Nanjin).

>>213714981
just to expand on it, mandarin isn't a new thing

imperial china isn't just a land without mandarin, canada anon is wrong, yes there are variations on mandarin but only so much since the bureaucracy class was country-wide, they had to travel to provincial capital and imperial capital some times quite often, if you are a learned person in any province you would know mandarin
there are some special local dialect injections of mandarin when china had different capitals but they will be understood by a good majority of the population

so who can't understand mandarin, the rurals who couldn't go to school that did not live in a mandarin dialect province
my grandparents were from rural shanghai, my grandfather did, he went to the 3rd grade before the mandarin standardization, my grandmother could not she didn't go to school and all her social circles spoke a variation of shanghainess, but this is uncommon as majority of the province and population in china spoke various dialect of mandarin, but she watched tv and could understand some of what the tv characters talked about

so it's so simple as described above

>>213715734
>so simple
not so simple*

>>213714848
À mon avis, je préfère les langues romanes. A côté du français, ma langue romane préférée est l’occitan. Ils ont un vraiment beau hymne.

>>213710480 (OP)
Yes, see how Puyi the last emperor of China spoke at the Tokyo trials, it's identical in accent and grammar to modern Chinese mandarin
https://youtu.be/r8xrgmPAb54?feature=shared