Thread 213794160

Why wont Europeons buy AC units?

>>213794160 (OP)
they dont call em europoors for nothing
even zimbabwe has ac

not worth it, there's only about 14 days of temperature over 30C in a year

>>213794370
Its not about needing it, its about having it because you can

>>213794191
Lmaoo even SEAmonkeys have AC

>>213794160 (OP)
Don't need it, it's not hot enough
>>213794191
Zimbabwe is a tropical country

>>213794160 (OP)
I have three just in my apartment and everywhere I go there’s ac. What the fuck are you talking about?

>>213794620
bro ive been in your country it very much does get hot enough especially in cities

>>213794620
Yeah you do

>>213794678
It was 30 degrees the past 2 days.
I put up the sunscreen and it doesn't get hotter than 25 degrees inside the house. I literally do not need an ac

>>213794160 (OP)
We're too poor to rebuild all our houses, so only the newer ones have it.

>>213794755
30 is well within 'needs ac' temp bro
mine is set to 23C usually but i know people that never go over 20

>>213794770
Buy a window mount AC unit

>>213794867
Needs to be approved by the landlord and the owner of all other appartments in the building (who always a bunch of old people who hate any change)

>>213794160 (OP)
Not worth it for the occasional 30+ day in summer

They're not necessary.
We're not going to buy your useless junk, sorry.

>>213795045
How bout you stop being a cuck and do whatever you wanna do

>>213794620
It is sub tropical actually.

>>213795109
Ill be bing chilling in my air chilled room while you smear yogurt on your windows

>>213794160 (OP)
New build flats won't allow even though they are so insulated they are roasting their tenants alive. Old houses are too leaky
>>213795075
I just wish UK houses weren't so badly designed. Too hot in summer too cold in winter it's retarded

>>213794813
And my house never goes above 25 degrees so why would I need an ac? Even if I had one I would probably never turn it on. I simply don't need it

>>213795114
I dont want to get sued into oblivion for ruining the picturesque and historic facade of the 1960s concrete block I live in.

It is so hot now, my sleep has been complete shit.
Room heats up like hell.

>>213795157
Insulation works both ways Nigel.

They do have these types with varying looking installations as you need to MacGyver the air duct to your window.

>>213795109
Wym it’s hot as fuck right now I’m dying

we can use our district heating for cooling + build underground water reservoirs that act as heat sinks during summer and source during winter.

Or you could just open the window

>>213794813
nice reading comprehension shlomo

>>213795471
perhaps in theory when you only look at temperatures, but the reality is there's this one big fireball in the sky that heats everything up through its radiation as well, and super insulated zero energy homes are notorious for overheating in summer unless you take counter measures
so the "a good insulated house keeps the heat out". eh, to some degree. but you'll get cooked eventually no matter what. what was it again, 200W/m^2? on all your walls, especially windows
this house hasn't the best insulation but a very solid thermal inertia so a short heat or cold wave gets buffered by the house itself. it was 34° yesterday and it didn't go below 20 this night yet even upstairs it's still only 24° and downstairs significantly lower

>>213794627
south europe has acs, north europe not
wonder what causes this mystery

>>213796164
This. Add to that UK gov had been subsidising loft insulation which traps the summer heat but the houses are still drafty in winter

High rise new build flats with lots of windows and no AC allowed have been getting roasted

>>213794404
>its about having it because you can
What a retarded take, no wonder why you guys live in perpetual debt

>have a heatwave at least once a year
>bitch incessantly about the heat
>"It's not worth it. I'd rather just whine."

For a long time we had a law you cannot install ac in your apartment because it will make neighbours jealous. Also they are quite expensive.

i rawdog both extreme heat an cold air conditioners werent a thing until the mid 90s so you either concede that climate change is real or that you are a snowflake libtard who cant handle the heat his parents could

>>213794160 (OP)
Buy an ad

>>213794160 (OP)
You can get a pretty good one for lik $70. One that hardly runs on any energy at all.
Hell I've considered switching from central air to AC units just to save power.

>>213796446
>40C inside Athen's commieblock built in the 50s
Imagine the smell...

because poor and lazy DOGS
>NOOOOOOO THE CLIMATE CHANGE
>ok so since the climate is getting warmer logically we should be prepaerd with ACs
>no thats too expensive

>>213796382
nigger look up on average how many days it gets above 30 in north western europe. just because you live in a godforsaken desert prison island doesn't mean the rest of the world does
and most americans don't seem to realise they roughly live on the same latitude as south europe or north africa. yes things are heating up, here as well, but for now i can manage the few days it's 30°

>>213796639
Then why do you guys post those weather maps showing it's over 35?

>>213796662
Because it's so unusual

>>213796675
Seems to happen every year. It can't be that unusual.

>they think you should only use AC above 30 degress

can't believe some of you call yourselves white. GO BACK TO THE PAJEET DESERT

>>213796786
When do you use it?

>>213796730
Presumably you lot get 10c days every year as well, but it doesn't stop you memeposting about freezing. People shitpost about things that stand out. Ngl I concidered getting an AC a few years ago, back when we had actually hot weather. This year I'm basically freezing my ass off, average temp in July was 18.4C.

>>213796730
here it happened like 3 times maybe in the last century and all in the last decade, so yes it's highly unusual
again, don't project your desert shithole on Europe

>>213794160 (OP)
It's aesthetically unpleasing.

>>213796813
I WOULD use it anytime it's over 23c. "Would" because there are no fucking ACs in this godforsaken country

>>213796786
>>213796853
What is your waist circumferance?

>>213796835
Yes, it happens here every year, without fail. So it's not unusual.
>>213796843
Not projecting anything. I live on the coast, my guy. The desert is a long way away. Our country is 21 times the size of Germany, you can go a long way before you see desert.

>>213796853
>anything over 23c
Weak.

>>213796882
Are you being obtuse on purpose?

>>213796882
>it happens here regularly
>so it happens there regularly as well
are you unironically retarded? and here, the amount of days every year it goes above 30. last year it was 3 (three)

>>213796957
Sort of.
>>213797003
Not sure we're on the same page. But calm down anyway.

>>213796957
i can only hope he's drunk

>>213797027
perhaps i slightly misread and posted too quickly but anyway, no, 35° is not normal, that's why we complain about it. and see the graph

>>213794160 (OP)
Not allow to modify the building's exterior.

>>213797078
I did, and I get it. And yeah, you're right to meme on here of all places. I just like being a bit of a knobhead.

>>213796446
Based. That and people are literal retards who don't know when they should keep the windows closed or open.

>>213797130
aight, g'day m8. i don't like it when i make mistakes reading other posts and then replying so thanks for pointing it out unironically
couldn't be arsed to delete them so calling me a retarded ESL is what you could have done

>>213797217
>calling me a retarded ESL is what you could have done
Lol I wouldn't do a thing like that. Unless you're brown, in which case yeah, fuck off.

>>213796853
Based knower.

>>213796853
the one thing that annoys me is they're rated in BTU. do you know what a BTU is without looking it up?

>>213794160 (OP)
We don't have windows that fit those units.

>>213796480
>You can get a pretty good one for lik $70
Even the cheapest shit portable unit is minimum €250 and they are only for tiny rooms up to like 25 sqm.
A proper portable one for like a living room is €350+. And they still suck ass.
Window mounted units are not a possibility at all. We don't have those kinda windows.
And installing a wall mounted unit is only possible if you live in a house you own. Apartment buildings do not let you modify the structure.


So our options are
1. Shitty overpriced portable unit.
2. Buy a house.
3. Buy a fan.

>>213794160 (OP)
I got one cheers

Just saved you some money. No need to thank me.

>>213797952
that ice won't do shit. a fan works because forced convection is vastly more effective at heat transfer and also makes your sweat way easier to evaporate. that tiny bit of ice is like a drop of water on a hot plate

>>213797725
>Apartment buildings do not let you modify the structure.
Over here they let you since the building is owned by the owners' association (all the apartment owners) but I've seen plenty of firsties say it makes your buildings look like the third world.

>>213798087
>t. AC lobby

>>213798143
no, i just wasted a lot of time in school. it's pretty basic knowledge if you went the thermodynamics route. i'm not going to put any numbers on it and i'm not even saying a fan is bad, i even explained why they cool you down

>>213794160 (OP)
I bought a normal one few years ago and it works but feeling the constant dread of the outside and subconciously avoiding going outside is bad for the body and soul so I might move to northern pekka land if this trend continues

>>213797176
the biggest problem in spain greece etc is picrel, insulation as a panacea to everything, that inst even fit for meditterenean weather and the continually warmer and longer summer, paired with poor ventilation, most gayreeks turned their homes into humid furnaces because albanian crooks and half learned engineers convinced them insulation is magical and would keep their house warm in winter and cold in the summer

>>213794370
>no but you see spending 1,5 k euros to not suffer 15 days a year for no reason is bad
PURE EUROPOOR COPE LMAO

>>213798506
same in france, people are retarded they unironically think insulation is going to cool their homes lmao

>>213798506
Insulation does work - you still need cooling, just less of it. If somebody disagrees, go to his house and unplug his fridge.

>>213794160 (OP)
Not allowed to install one in my apartment.
I borrowed my parents portable one (same as picrel) that's like 600 bucks and it barely did anything except raise my electricity bill..

>>213797952
>Does nothing but humidfy your house
Great

>>213799782
insulation works but not in the way lost people think. im ac/refrigeration tech and in so tired of explaining what i see as basic physics to people
>if you insulate a house it will take longer to get hot/cold from external sources like weather and sun
>it still WILL get hot/cold from said external source and then it will retain that temperature for much longer
>insulation is only to reduce the power consumption of your heat/cooling appliances, these are the ones that actually control you indoor temperatures
>poorly insulated house, it takes 5kw to keep it hot/cold
>good insulated house, it takes 1kw to do the same

>>213800113
You'd think it would be common sense.

>>213794160 (OP)
i knew a guy who lived in germany for a while and literally was not allowed to have an AC. which was funny to us since here you can buy and install as many as you want

>>213794160 (OP)
>window hole
lol why can't you get a proper unit that won't let most of the cold air it makes leak out?

>>213800219
>my home is well insulated so it will remain comfy even at -20c outdoors temperature without any source of heat
>omg why am i freezing to death??
its so tiresome.

>>213800113
this is very basic. using fourier's heat equation that supposedly solves everything, not exactly. now take ventilation, solar radiation, internal heat generation, thermal inertia, house orientation, windows, day and night cycles, day length, etc, all into account and it's a bit more complex than more insulation=gooder, because your very well insulated house will turn into a sauna during summer

>>213801510
to elaborate, our HVAC prof called some architects from our uni retards because they refused to use solar shading in their design in their passive home project and guess what, it overheated
what's the point of a passive home when you need AC in summer
he lives in one btw

>>213801510
>>213801631
i got a guy looking for ac/heat pump and i will probably sell him one. he is that kind of retard
>its lightning tonight i better get some tractor work done, im safe in my tractor because its on rubber wheels
dude
>lighning pas through km of air
>rubber is a worse insulator than air
>yeah your rubber tires will save you...
im really doubtfull of selling stuff to such retards who knows what they can sue you for?

>>213801963
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage
don't know what kind of tractor he's using and perhaps thinks he's safe for the wrong reasons, but most likely he'll be fine if it ever happens

>>213798121
>Over here they let you since the building is owned by the owners' association
Over here they WONT let you since the building is owned by the owners' association.

>>213802158
yeah the faraday effect is a thing, i was just using it as an example of normie understanding of physics
>my house is insulated, how can it get hot?
>my tractor runs on rubber tires, how can it get struck by lightning?

>>213800113
>>213800219
I CANT FUCKING BELIEVE this is the main """"""""""""""""scientific""""""""""""""""" reasoning behind the warmer in winter cooler in summer myth. being a stem graduate has to be some sort of mental disability in order to disregard readily verifiable empiricism like that. such as the fact that PEOPLE LIVE IN THOSE FUCKING HOUSES PEOPLE WHO COOK CLEAN AND DO ALL SORTS OF OTHER ACTIVITIES WHICH WARM THE HOUSE PASSIVELY AND WHICH IS SOMETHING YOU CANT PREVENT WITH THE SHITTY FOAM INSULATION

>>213799782
trees work passive heating passive cooling passed down from generation to generation works your gray shitcube only works in your head via psychological manipulation because you are an elonite

>>213799551
>1,5 k euros
nigga buy a window AC for a couple hundo.

They've finally seen the light and started retrofitting their 200 year old shitholes with basic AC

Imagine being this cucked

>>213795545
They are really terrible though, too noisy and not efficient at all.
The only decent full internal units must have two air intakes.

>>213803592
This is a big debate on the finnish 4channel every summer and some actually modified their equipment for two air ducts.

>>213794160 (OP)
Even if the temperature is 30 degrees Celsius, if the humidity is low, there is no need for air conditioning.