Thread 213858357

Were the Ottomans justified?

>>213858357 (OP)
no

>>213858357 (OP)
He'd rather be skinned alive than become a musrat. I get it, but I don't think I'd be that much of a chad in that situation

>>213858357 (OP)
no, they cut out babies from women and hanged them on trees after loosing the Battle of Vienna
only the fucking Mongols were worse, they raped kids and ate them later


Türks were animals, but Mongols were the spawn of the devil itself

>>213858357 (OP)
Didnt Muhammad claim Christians were people of the book and should be tolerated by Muslims?

no, they should've finished the job and purged all serb scum from the earth

>>213861932
That's what Muslims tell Christians when they want to gain their favor.

Probably made up stories by Serbian rebels to aid their cause.

NOT confirmed by Chatgpt

So, to summarise:

The figure of Bishop Teodor being flayed alive is part of Serbian Orthodox martyrology.

There is no strong contemporary evidence proving he was literally flayed, though the Ottomans did execute rebel clergy.

The painting you saw reflects religious memory and symbolism rather than an eyewitness historical record.

Flaying was not a “common practice” against Christians, though it may have happened in very exceptional, highly charged cases.

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APOLOGISE

Christian and their martyr complex. Nothing new all is lies.

>>213861932
Yes, but fundamentalists often misinterpret shit to justify their hatred.

>>213862380
A fucking Muslim say this, have you even had a vague glance at the Middle East

>>213861932
ٱتَّخَذُوٓا۟ أَحْبَارَهُمْ وَرُهْبَٰنَهُمْ أَرْبَابًا مِّن دُونِ ٱللَّهِ وَٱلْمَسِيحَ ٱبْنَ مَرْيَمَ وَمَآ أُمِرُوٓا۟ إِلَّا لِيَعْبُدُوٓا۟ إِلَٰهًا وَٰحِدًاۖ لَّآ إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَۚ سُبْحَٰنَهُۥ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ
They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allāh, and [also] the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him. (They are mushriks)

2: At-Taubah 9:5

فَإِذَا ٱنسَلَخَ ٱلْأَشْهُرُ ٱلْحُرُمُ فَٱقْتُلُوا۟ ٱلْمُشْرِكِينَ حَيْثُ وَجَدتُّمُوهُمْ وَخُذُوهُمْ وَٱحْصُرُوهُمْ وَٱقْعُدُوا۟ لَهُمْ كُلَّ مَرْصَدٍۚ فَإِن تَابُوا۟ وَأَقَامُوا۟ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ وَءَاتَوُا۟ ٱلزَّكَوٰةَ فَخَلُّوا۟ سَبِيلَهُمْۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ
And when the inviolable months have passed, then kill the polytheists (mushriks) wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakāh, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allāh is Forgiving and Merciful.


Never beating the clueless retard westerner allegations with this one Huebros

>>213861932
muslims did tolerate both jews and christians in al-andalus
they probably skinned them for inciting unrest

>>213862485
>retard westerner
>westerner
pot calling the kettle black

>>213858357 (OP)
I call bullshit on this because the Ottoman state didn’t attempt to convert the christians they just taxed them. Most conversions were done by sufis that actively proselytized.

>>213862485
Hindus aren’t human, them eating cowshit has proven that.

when ISIS was at its peak and controlled large parts of Syria and Iraq it didn't force christians to convert and christians lived in peace. they even had their own court

>>213862798
you call bullshit on them wanting to convert a single religious figure head sure they did not want to convert the population but single important figures being asked to was not un heard of, Turks are very bizarre when it comes to their past they will tell you up and down Armenia never happened but they want you believe that Serbia Bulgaria and Greece killed 5 million Turks in 1800 and 1900

>>213862968
The Ottomans would only demand conversion from political figures that rebelled like that jew who claimed to be the messiah. Also the balkan rebels did kill millions of muslims during snd after their rebellion, they even took pictures of it.

>>213862838
yeah they just paid the jizyah and left them alone basically isis was more interested in killing shiites

>>213862798
Go back nafri

>>213858357 (OP)
I wish all of the Balkans had been islamized so there wouldn't be any ethnic conflict now.
It's really pathetic that Serbs would defend their orthodoxy so much to get their people skinned alive if this orthodoxy was imposed upon them the same way islam was tried to be imposed

>>213860188
Nigel you never surrender to non europeans (russians are non-europeans). Remember this

>>213862485
Bretty sure there are later hadits that disprove these and let you musniggers cherry pick based on the situation

>>213858357 (OP)
>>213861907
Holy shit...

>>213861907
>no, they cut out babies from women and hanged them on trees after loosing the Battle of Vienna
Bretty sure the roaches were food for plants or running for their lives after those battles considering basically no one survives.
Eugene opened them muzzies a new one

>>213862353
They violated peace terms and flayed alive the captain Bragadin after he surrendered to save his men in the siege of Cyprus. They did that, they beheaded prisoners and put their heads on pikes, they kidnapped christian women and forced them into sexual slavery, they impaled prisoners who refused to surrender

why is a diaspoo posting under my flag

>>213864846
Spegni il proxy abdulla, debubcia il corano e poi arpi un libro di storia, marrone

>>213858357 (OP)
>>213861907
You know it's all myths right?

>>213862353
>confirmed by Chatgpt
soon people will worship algorythms like gods - mark my words

>>213862735
False. They beheaded those that did not convert to islam since the very begining.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A1rtires_de_C%C3%B3rdoba

Romantic writers from the XIX century have manipulated a lot about AlAndalus and the false happy convivence of the 3 cultures.

>>213862838
Never ever beating the clueless westerner allegations. Ever. You can lead a horse to eater but you can't make him drink.

>>213864004
Why go to the Hadiths when it's in the Quran? When you need to go to war you cite the ayahs about Jihad, when you need peace you recite the ayahs about tolerance. No haidths or discussions about their legitimacy or circumstances required.

Al-Baqarah 2:256
لَآ إِكْرَاهَ فِى ٱلدِّينِۖ قَد تَّبَيَّنَ ٱلرُّشْدُ مِنَ ٱلْغَىِّۚ فَمَن يَكْفُرْ بِٱلطَّٰغُوتِ وَيُؤْمِنۢ بِٱللَّهِ فَقَدِ ٱسْتَمْسَكَ بِٱلْعُرْوَةِ ٱلْوُثْقَىٰ لَا ٱنفِصَامَ لَهَاۗ وَٱللَّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ
There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become distinct from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in ṭāghūt and believes in Allāh has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allāh is Hearing and Knowing.

Al-Baqarah 2:109

وَدَّ كَثِيرٌ مِّنْ أَهْلِ ٱلْكِتَٰبِ لَوْ يَرُدُّونَكُم مِّنۢ بَعْدِ إِيمَٰنِكُمْ كُفَّارًا حَسَدًا مِّنْ عِندِ أَنفُسِهِم مِّنۢ بَعْدِ مَا تَبَيَّنَ لَهُمُ ٱلْحَقُّۖ فَٱعْفُوا۟ وَٱصْفَحُوا۟ حَتَّىٰ يَأْتِىَ ٱللَّهُ بِأَمْرِهِۦٓۗ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَىْءٍ قَدِيرٌ
Many of the People of the Scripture wish they could turn you back to disbelief after you have believed, out of envy from themselves [even] after the truth has become clear to them. So pardon and overlook until Allāh delivers His command. Indeed, Allāh is over all things competent.

seriously what compels you 2 digit iq religious retards to post these fake shit
you can't even work it out in your peanut brain that the real danger to your religion is people leaving it because they are not low iq retards like you and not something else

>>213864999
>eater
Water*

>>213864881
ywnbi larping shitskin

>>213865085
Spegni il proxy, denuncia il corano, posta le mani, apri un libro di storia e poi torna a scopare le capre nel deserto

>>213863973
Shut the fuck up, faggot

>>213865160
You are brown, you know the drill
>>213865140

>>213865226
I misread your post. I thought you were accusing Brits of surrendering to non-Europeans. I apologise

>>213865298
Nvm

>>213865140
calm down shitskin

>>213864999
qbtee ibn matnaka khawal

Let's not pretend Christians didn't commit atrocities on people who refused to convert. Crushing with stones, drawing, breaking on the wheel, burning alive and so on and so on

>>213864889
no, it's well documented
A ditch of bones were found near Mohács a while ago, it only had bones of kids in it. Mongols practiced child sacrifice for good fortune.

Türks were only better because they didn't eat the babies they carved out.

>>213863001
I know this is what they taught you in school in Turkey but it's just delusion. The Ottomans weren't morally steadfast for 500 years. There were periods of islamic radicalism and massacres/conversions and there were periods of peace and progressive ideology.
For instance, in 19th C. Constantinople, 5-6 large and ornate Greek Churches were built under the sultanate during a period of western ideology and prosperous business.
But 100-200 years earlier, there were regular massacres against Greek speakers in Cyprus and Anatolia. The Greeks in Cappadocia had their tongues cut off for speaking their own language until they all spoke Turkish.

>>213858357 (OP)
*what europoors do when its hot outside and they can't afford ac

>>213866601
Those are false allegations.
You must be a nafri.

>>213866601
Go back Mehmet

>>213868941
>>213869175
Why are you muzzies seething

>>213869175
Hes right though what he said isnt directly connected to ottoman bad stuff

>>213858357 (OP)
they deserved it

>>213864817
>Famagusta's defenders made terms with the Ottomans before the city was taken by force, since the traditional laws of war allowed for negotiation before the city's defenses were successfully breached, whereas after a city fell by storm all lives and property in the city would be forfeit. The Ottoman commander agreed that, in return for the city's surrender, all Westerners in the city could exit under their own flag and be guaranteed safe passage to Venice-held Crete; Greeks could leave immediately, or wait two years to decide whether to remain in Famagusta under Ottoman rule, or depart the city for any destination of their choice. For the next four days, evacuation proceeded smoothly. Then, at the surrender ceremony on August 5[3] where Bragadin offered the vacated city to Mustafa, the Ottoman general accused him of murdering Turkish prisoners and hiding munitions. Suddenly, Mustafa pulled a knife and cut off Bragadin's right ear, then ordered his guards to cut off the other ear and his nose.[citation needed]

>There followed a massacre of all Christians still in the city, with Bragadin himself most brutally abused.[4] After being left in prison for two weeks, his earlier wounds festering, he was dragged round the walls with "sacks of earth and stone" on his back; next, he was tied to a chair and hoisted to the yardarm of the Turkish flagship, where he was exposed to the taunts of the sailors.[5] Finally, he was taken to his place of execution in the main square, tied naked to a column, and flayed alive.[6] Bragadin's quartered body was then distributed as a war trophy among the army, and his skin was stuffed with straw and sewn, reinvested with his military insignia, and exhibited riding an ox in a mocking procession along the streets of Famagusta

Turks are literally subhuman

>>213869849
glad balkanoids raped the shit out of them when they got their independence.

>>213869849
>venetian
Am i supposed to feel bad for this guy. Yawn, deserved

>>213865003
>>213869561
Turks are evil demons sent from Hell itself and their posts always confirm this

>>213869849
Funny to think that the only Sultan that got this kind of treatment from an enemy was Beyazid when he got captured by a fellow Turk called Timur

>>213869849
Venetians got their revenge at Lepanto, they cried Famagosta and San Marco as the Vizir's head was being hoisted on the mast of Don Juan's admiral ship

>>213858357 (OP)
He was literally a rebel leader and was executed for that, not because he was christian lol

>>213869849
>his skin was stuffed with straw and sewn, reinvested with his military insignia, and exhibited riding an ox in a mocking procession along the streets of Famagusta

>>213864737
>>213864889
parts of austria, yugo and much of hungary were depopulated after the turkish horde marched through it, doing slave raids, burning of entire villages etc, no wonder we killed a load of t*rks that got captured

>>213860188
All my respect to Christian martyrs. Still going on today.

Obviously, since it's muzzies doing it there are no marches in protest

>>213861932
Mohammed also called us the most vile of all creatures and that we commit the worst sin and that he would deflower Mary in heaven.

Aside from a whole host of disgusting bullshit

>>213858357 (OP)
Why are Turks like this? Is it genetic?