Thread 213877066

What should they name it?

>>213877066 (OP)
"Russy"

Banan

if that thing ever sees water i will castrate myself life on twitch

>>213877066 (OP)
"Old smokie" in honor of the other one they have

why does russia need a cuck ramp and why does russia even need carriers when putin said russia's missiles are better and invalidate all naval strategies?

>>213877066 (OP)
Mr. Trump after their greatest ally/puppet in the west

>>213877066 (OP)
isnt that one plan from like 10 years ago that went nowhere

>>213877066 (OP)
Chalk this up next to T-14, T-15 and Su-75.
The Russian arms industry is never leaving what the USSR left them. The money is too easily embezzled.

>>213877152
Because aircraft carriers are offensive, not defensive

>>213877066 (OP)
>What should they name it?
Moskva II Black Sea Boogaloo

Disregarding politics, I doubt they'll ever have a carrier again. They should instead focus on more reasonable vessels like pic related and submarines.

>>213877435
Russia maintaining a good Navy in any serious capacity will never happen

>>213877539
their submarine fleet is still substantial and they're commissioning new ones, but idk about the quality. I think most their surface vessels are cold war era, not sure about upgrades.

>>213877066 (OP)
built for big ukranian drones

>>213877435
Russia's issue is that they actually believe that they're a superpower and try to act like it. They try to do everything in house and domsetic, when they really should be outsourcing stuff and buying from other countries instead of trying to do everything themselves.

Once the heat dies down from the Ukraine war, they will likely just buy ships from China instead

>>213877066 (OP)
>ramp

>>213877066 (OP)
S.S.ucka blyat

>>213877731
I don't think they (the leadership) actually believe it, but they want to posture like it
but yes I agree with you, their best bet would probably be buying high tech gear from China at this point; not sure China would be ok for this open support yet though.

anyway it's remarkable how Ukraine's biggest success was at sea despite not having a navy

>>213877140
How can we trust your word? How can we find you if this happen?

>>213877805
>I don't think they (the leadership) actually believe it, but they want to posture like it


Nah, they actually do believe it. They throw crazy amount of money at fucking wunderweapons that they can't afford, and it's fucking them in the ass. Why spend billions developing something like GLONASS when you can piggyback off BeiDou for much less cost and for better performance too. They also spend billions developing the SU-57, only to produce like 12 white elephants, when they could have bought a few 5th gens from China. It's everywhere you look. They still have fucking plans for shit like stealth bombers, 6th gen fighters, nuclear cruise missile etc etc. Even if they can afford the R&D, it's clear that Russia cannot afford to mass produce it. They would be better off just focusing their limited industry on mid tier equipment and just buying high end stuff from China for a lower price.

>not sure China would be ok for this open support yet though.

Once the war ends and the sanctions start to die down. To be honest, if China openly started to ship Russia large amounts of equipment, Russia would be doing so much better in Ukraine. Putin must be going crazy knowing that China has thousands of tanks and fighters that are just sitting around doing, while the Russian army is sending electric scooters to the frontlines.

>>213877593
>they're commissioning new ones, but idk about the quality.
The government sometimes comes up with some new vaporware (planes, tanks, whatever else) to impress the populace and show the outside world they are still relevant.
In reality, that stuff never gets made.

There are hardly any Sukhoi Su-57s out there. I would not expect anything different for submarines.

>>213878173
all true I guess. I do wonder if China would be able to establish air superiority over Ukraine, Russia apparently can't.
>>213878428
they do build some semi-modern stuff and the actual deadly stuff like ballistic missiles, cruise missiles and attack drones is produced in high numbers too. They shouldn't be discounted that much, it's dangerous to underestimate a threat.

>>213877066 (OP)
>Russian Navy tends to be abysmal
>It's Air Force is no exception
>put the two together

>>213878470
The world overestimated Russia for years and look at that -- they just did the kill and rape the civilians and throw bodies at the problem again.
It was so bad that they have been reliant on North Korea. Not very cash money.

>>213878544
the US doesn't have to worry, Euros do. We don't have the number of weapons and combat readiness to quickly defeat a Russian attack on our own like the US does. Even if we would probably win in the end, they would cause a lot of death and destruction.

>>213878470
China won't do shit because it's not worth the kneecap their economy would receive if they go to war.

>>213878617
yeah, that's my impression too. They do supply Russia with dual use stuff though while embargoing Ukraine afaik. So they did pick a side.

>>213878610
I don't really see anything happening in the first place beyond Germans in the military industry getting rich.

>>213878610
Russia is neutered for at least another decade or two. Countries like Finland and most of europe is probably breathing a sigh of relief that Russia broke itself on Ukraine instead of another european country. Or that Russia shot itself in the foot before they could have fixed their massive corruption or other issues that have been hampering them.
>>213878650
>while embargoing Ukraine afaik.

They are still supplying Ukraine with drone parts. So they are somewhat neutral.

>>213877805
>high tech gear
>china
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

>>213878650
Nta but for all the hype the mainland gets over how they would defeat the big bad USA and curbstomp the Philippines in the process, it's all just bluster from them to appease whoever's at home.

I'd worry more about how the PRC is slowly going out of its way to weaponize their diasporas into their side through constant shilling.

>>213878745
>>213878728
Continue living in the past bro. China's tech is only 2nd to America at this point. Russia failed to realize it, and paid the price.

>>213878681
if allied deterrence isn't credible, a Russian invasion of the Baltic states is well within the realm of the possible.
>>213878723
>Russia broke itself on Ukraine
all military analysts agree that the Russian military is now stronger and obviously way more experienced than in 2022
>>213878728
recent clashes between India and Pakistan showed Chinese gear should be taken serious.
>>213878745
I don't think China is ready to take on the US yet, they are still building up.

>>213878796
Wake me up when it's actually been proven effective in the field. Last I check, we're still using F-16s ( and got into the US's super sekrit club of F35 friends ).

>>213878811
It's all bullshit from them. The last thing China needs is sending living bodies into the meatgrinder as if they're not going to be facing the same demographic issues Russia is going through now.

>>213878811
>china very powerful pls to believing it

>>213878723
>Russia is neutered for at least another decade or two
Most analysis suggest that after a truce in Ukraine, they'll only need 1.5~2 years before being ready to mount an attack the Baltics or Finland

>>213878922
Tell us when the truce hits.

>>213878811
>if allied deterrence isn't credible, a Russian invasion of the Baltic states is well within the realm of the possible.
It could have happened in an alternate reality:
>Russia takes Crimea clean, no war
>doesn't dick around in Eastern Ukraine
>after some years of low tier sanctions
>allows Ukraine to sign whatever treaty with the EU in 2014
>Europeans get tired of Ukraine being super corrupt and a poor shithole that cannot pay back a single loan
>Ukraine is still a divided nation and many people want to be Russian
>NATO dies sometime around 2030 between Europe never contributing to it, American nationalism, etc.
Anyway, the Baltics are just not even worthwhile in the first place.
Who cares?
Russia needs to get into the 21st century and stop acting like a caveman with its neighbors.

>>213878905
>>213878909
https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/key-questions-about-india-pakistan-aerial-clashes

>>213878811
>all military analysts agree that the Russian military is now stronger and obviously way more experienced than in 2022

Their economy cannot continue on at this rate. And even if they're stronger, so what? They're failing to take Ukraine, they would immediately run into a stone wall if they actually went up vs any NATO force.

>I don't think China is ready to take on the US yet, they are still building up.

China is currently just trying to push America away from their backyard. They're just arming up enough to ensure that America can't get within 2000km of China. China cannot win in a direct war vs America. But like Russia, they can present enough of a threat that America won't directly fight them.
>>213878905
>Wake me up when it's actually been proven effective in the field

The recent Paki-Indian conflict? Or how chinese drones are dominating the Ukraine war?
>>213878909
Oh no, one of the dozens of coast guard cutters. Whatever will China do. Every navy has accidents, even in peacetime.
>>213878922
They cannot even take Ukraine after 4 years.

>>213878942
>Anyway, the Baltics are just not even worthwhile in the first place.
>Who cares?
we do, we have an alliance committment with them and soldiers deployed there. You do too, but idk if your government would care.
> Russia needs to get into the 21st century and stop acting like a caveman with its neighbors.
obviously, but you can't wish reality to ne different.

>>213878999
My point is that the Baltics are not worth anything to Russia.
Taking Crimea was a very different scenario, especially having access to Sevastopol for the Navy (lol)

>>213878996
>Their economy cannot continue on at this rate. And even if they're stronger, so what? They're failing to take Ukraine, they would immediately run into a stone wall if they actually went up vs any NATO force.
if NATO stands together, yes. But that's not guaranteed.
>China is currently just trying to push America away from their backyard. They're just arming up enough to ensure that America can't get within 2000km of China. China cannot win in a direct war vs America. But like Russia, they can present enough of a threat that America won't directly fight them.
yeah, I never meant they want to fight a total war to conquer the US or something like that. I think they want to build up strong enough to achieve local superiority and hopefully force through a peaceful handover of Taiwan.

>>213877066 (OP)
"Yet Another Russian Submarine"

>>213878996
>They cannot even take Ukraine after 4 years.
unfortunately, the Baltics have much less strategic depths. They're all flat and there's little space between the border and the major cities. I'm not rooting for that, but unless Moscow and Petersburg get glasses, they arent safe

>>213879148
the only real concern:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suwa%C5%82ki_Gap

Two hundred meters under the Seas

>>213877731
There was no country that withstood such pressure as russia in history though and won at the end

>>213878996
>They're failing to take Ukraine, they would immediately run into a stone wall if they actually went up vs any NATO force.

"'"NATO""" is basically means same as Ukraine but more meat, and NATO can only win because their population is 10x times higher than Russia

How powerful Russia is I realised when at the end of 2024 nato allowed deep strikes at Russia's territory and their hit rate was like 0.2% lmao

>>213879353
Paper tiger nd shiet. Just end the war at this point and actually develop your country outside of Moscow and St Pidorsburg.

>>213879466
>actually develop your country outside of Moscow and St Pidorsburg.

Kek, nigger u haven't been there and know no shit

>>213879353
The Russian Navy was destroyed in utter humiliation during the Russo-Japanese War.

The only reason Russia got territory back from Japan is because it joined the war against Japan right at the very end and Japan had no other options being totally obliterated by the USA.

Imagine seeing Russia in 2025, villages vanishing, men living to 59 years of age on average, and being like: Yes bro, this is what winning looks like

>>213879534
>The Russian Navy was destroyed in utter humiliation during the Russo-Japanese War

Lol. It was 120 years ago

U lost at Vietnam 10k planes while fighting HALF the country while having HALF the country at your side

>>213879518
>t.lives in a dilapidated commieblock surrounded by barely paved dirt roads outside of Kazan. or some other bumfuck city beyond the Urals.

>>213879616
Ahahahaha how stupid u r
Dumb indog

>>213877066 (OP)
Every couple years Russians show off their next aircraft carrier but nothing gets built because they are brokies and their jewish oligarchs need a new villa or yacht

>>213879464
>How powerful Russia is I realised when at the end of 2024 nato allowed deep strikes at Russia's territory and their hit rate was like 0.2% lmao
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathias_Rust

Bro you really believe that? This guy flew from Helsinki right into Red Square in Moscow.

>Lol. It was 120 years ago
Just goes to show you how some things never change with Russians. Look at how poorly your Navy has done in the Black Sea over the past three years. Utter humiliation.

>>213879709
>Look at how poorly your Navy has done in the Black Sea over the past three years. Utter humiliation.

Still better than USA navy at red sea though

>>213879748
You have nothing lmao. So Russian of you. Really, some things never change.

>>213879709
why do you even bother to write a post responding to such Russians? They're too far gone

Ivan III

>>213877066 (OP)
Whats the point of it? Do they intend of getting involved in the Middleeast or Africa after Ukraine? Its useless for any other than to project on thirdies

>>213879833
Russian people are pathetic and should be reminded of that on a daily basis when given a chance.

>>213879057
>But that's not guaranteed.

Russia surviving the next decade instead of shattering is not guaranteed. NATO is literally designed to fight the USSR/Russia, how would they not team up to fight Russia if Russia actually triggered article 5?

>through a peaceful handover of Taiwan.

That's likely the plan. Blockage and force a handover without a hot war.

>>213879353
You had China as an ally and you wasted it. You could have bought so much drones or other equipment from them before the invasion. Or worked with them on joint projects. Or reserved engineered their shit, like what China used to do to Russia 15 years ago. But nope, everything has to be domsetic, so no DJI drones, no chinese missiles or radars, no chinese ships. Go into Ukraine with a bare ass instead of working with your superpower ally.
>>213879881
They need to larp as a superpower for some reason. Even though nobody other than Indians are falling for it ever since 2022.

>>213879944
Your president rolled out the red carpet before our leader lol

>>213880063
>You could have bought so much drones

Hmm? We still dominating in drones retard

>>213879599
NTA but russanon we loss wanting to continue fighting what became gurrilla tactics and search and destroy ops taking 20 years for thousands of causalitys at our end.
You lose that number somehow in less then a few years but want to still compare the 2 as equal.

>>213879944
true
>>213880063
>how would they not team up to fight Russia if Russia actually triggered article 5?
with faggots like Trump, Orban, and potentially Le Pen/Farage/AfD, little is guaranteed.

>>213880076
You lost your Black Sea Fleet to a country that does have a Navy and hundreds of thousands of more Russians are dead for nothing lol

>>213877066 (OP)
ZSS Goyda

>>213880147
>You lost your Black Sea Fleet
Kek

>>213880102
You could have bought it before the invasion. I remember the early days of the invasion, where Ukraine soliders were using tons of DJI drones for grenade dropping and recon, while Russians were limited to their shitty domestic drones, because everything had to be made in Russia.

If I was Russia, I would have been buying a shit ton of chinese weaponry for cheap for the invasion, just in case. And for reserve engineering too. Hard to believe that even the shittest chinese flanker has ASEA radar but only the SU-57 for russia has a ASEA radar.

>>213880278
I laughed as well watching the Moskva sink.

>>213877066 (OP)
The Fuckingrampov

>>213879824
you lost 20 drone and 3 modern jet against sandal wearing khat chewing allahu akbar shouting houthis

>>213880322
>I remember the early days of the invasion, where Ukraine soliders were using tons of DJI drones for grenade dropping and recon, while Russians were limited to their shitty domestic drones, because everything had to be made in Russia.

Retarded take
Ukraine was losing insane amount of soldiers at spring 2022, amount of hohol corpses in tg channels were tens of thousands

Then counter offensive happened and number of corpses were hundreds of thousands

But you live in globohomo cunt and show only one side of the coin

>>213880522
they have fairly modern Iranian gear and the planes were lost to accidents. Losing drones is nothing special, TB-2 can't operate in Ukraine anymore either since the frontlines stabilized and aa got set up.

>>213880522
Don't insult my man WHOTHIS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvoeF0Xg7pA

>>213880522
20 drones is nothing compared to an entire life of having to face the reality of being born Turkish and carrying that around your entire life

The RFS Admiral Admiralov Admiralovsky

>>213877066 (OP)
the soviet union was already building a proper catapult carrier "ulyanovsk" in the 80s. now the russians are building a new one but it will have a ramp. what were they thinking?

>>213878909
now let's see the russian navy

>>213880655
wtf

>>213880871
It's very hard to restart production and the original shipyard of the carrier was in Ukraine, Mykolaiv same place the famous submarine Moskva was built.

>>213879599
>Lol. It was 120 years ago
and russia has kept losing since
japan single handedly turned russia from larping as europeans into a seething anti-west nation

>>213880554
>Retarded take
>Ukraine was losing insane amount of soldiers at spring 2022, amount of hohol corpses in tg channels were tens of thousands
>Then counter offensive happened and number of corpses were hundreds of thousands
ukraine lost so hard that russia couldn't take kiev or kharkhov and had to flee from kherson and izyum before the end of 2022

>>213880967
I was thinking the russians were trying to capture nikolaev for that purpose, and were getting pretty close with kherson
but then not only did they never capture it, but they abandoned kherson, their only foothold west of the dnieper
what was putin's plan?

>>213878922
They're bleeding enough men as is in Ukraine why make another invasion that prob be just as poorly planned out. They seem to always overvalue Russia's personnel experience when Russia has a habit on wasting it in the dumbest ways.
They'll need more than 2 years for how well their plans go

>>213880076
they did for kim jong un too. it doesn't even make you any more special than north korea.

>>213878922
>they'll only need 1.5~2 years before being ready to mount an attack the Baltics or Finland
please please do this. imagine a redo of the winter war in the 21st century with a far weaker russia. would be a truly kino shitshow.

>>213877066 (OP)
how big will the smoke cloud be?

>>213881064
Not really it would have needed a complete retrofit. All the really good heavy hitting industry aside from those that were saved by their governments in former USSR went to shit and to decay and abandonment, our nuclear power plant brings tears to my eyes when I remember it how dogshit negotiations were with the g*rms and what a band of limpwristed politicians were sent, fun fact all other former USSR or Warsaw pact cunts still run their old soviet reactors with retrofits, there are 10 RBMK's running with no issue to this day. Now concerning the plan I don't know we had a discussion with a rusanon before the invasion, desuarchive is down can't link it. By my armchair general analysis I expected them to invade so to not look as cucks but I thought they would have pushed heavily from the east and reach a natural demarcation line that is the dnieper, I really didn't expect the whole rush keev thing.

>>213880871
>what were they thinking?
"How long can we drag this out to make it look like we are not an inept, irrelevant shithole?"

>>213880063
>How would they not team up to fight Russia if Russia actually triggered article 5?
Have you looked at any polls recently? People are not willing to die for their own country, yet alone for other countries

>>213880175
fake. It's just a cardboard facade on top of a small boat. china will never be a real threat.

target practice

>>213880175
Wait nvm I didn't watch the whole webm lmao. stupid ccp f

>>213877066 (OP)
>ramp
kek

>>213881218
there won't be any cause it'll be nuclear powered

>>213879353
Japan...

>>213883059
they almost folded to a single fortress lol

>>213877066 (OP)
PUCCIA has amazing models. Best models in the world.

Shame about the actual army.

>>213880871
Maybe it's a drone carrier.