Thread 213889622

"Free" healthcare is an absolute disaster.
Common europoor L

>Mccarthy was right about everything
>couldn't produce his fucking list

too late, i voted for communism.
back to /pol/ with you.

>>213889622 (OP)
through taxes you found roads you will never drive on, aircraft carriers you will never land on, police that are more keen on shooting you, lifetime protection of every president who ever lived and a fire department that will show up to help you but god forbid if you paid actual health service the same way?
make it make sense.

Everyone with a little bit of money here has private healthcare. Public is absolutely dogshit even though we have "one of the best in rhe world!!"

>>213889622 (OP)
for me, free public healthcare is working better than the damn health plan i paid for 10 years. the doctors are more attentive, I can schedule an appointment in a month, and they discovered a problem that the private hospital hadn't discovered.
better yet, i pay absolutely nothing.

>>213889622 (OP)
Same here. Everyone who can afford, pays a health plan.

How did they do it then?

>>213889622 (OP)
Even private healthcare doesn't cost that much, let alone public.

>>213890432
same way Israel does, infinite American money

>>213889622 (OP)
It'd be fine if not for the boomers albeit. Those kikes are the civilization destroying parasites they are though, and clog up doctors visits and call ambulances because they're lonely and want to talk to people, and organizing social clubs is just too fucking hard apparently

>>213889622 (OP)
Private insurance is literally more expensive and has a ton of middle managers, who are you trying to impress? Please grow the fuck up already

I need to find a comfy remote job so I can just move to a cheap small euro town. I'm tired of my corporate dominated poopskin infested lard brain country tbqh

>>213890529
Protip: you won’t get scandi health care if you don’t work for a company that’s registered here.

>>213890577
That's racist.

>>213890181
SUS is goated, bro. I got hit by a car and broke my arm. 48h later I was home, operated, medicated, with follow-up exams and physical therapy scheduled.

Also,
>free dental
>free psychiatry
This country has many problems. Public health isn't one of them.

>>213890700
>>213890181
God damn. BASED LVLA

>>213889756
free healthcare is not communism, retard.

>>213889622 (OP)
free healthcare is impossible even if you enslave the health workers you have to pay the people keeping them imprisoned

>>213890758
Very Jewish post

>pay twice
>still cheaper than the US

Financing the public healthcare system is a price control on private practice. That's why Europeans get the choice for both, can literally pay for both, and don't end up indebted for the rest of their lives and the lives of their children, and don't avoid healtchare.
And we also get sick day leaves. And holidays.

>>213890758
>he says as he leeches free healthcare from America and murders brown children en masse
wow thats so crazy wow I had no idea that public healthcare required doctors and nurses to be paid!!!

>>213890700
i'm personally VERY disappointed with the private hospital, as i always had preventive exams and they never discovered a small problem with high pressure in my eye that could lead to glaucoma in the future. As soon as i had the preventive exams at the public hospital, they discovered this and medicated me with eye drops.

>>213889622 (OP)
it's absolutely true don't let the /r/Europe dilation squad convince you otherwise. And it gets exponentially worse in places like Bulgaria where the doctors are guaranteed upper-middle class income through your taxes so they don't give a single fuck about you whether private or public, and you not only end up paying for the corruptionmaxxed healthcare here but you also end up going out of the country for the more serious operations to avoid getting killed by these psychopaths.

Two months ago i broke my arm, yes i waited 5 hours in the emergency room before getting a cast but, x rays, follow up visits, cast removal and 10 physioterapy sessions costed me 55 euros, i'll take that over deluxe hospital services and paying a second rent for insurance. Assuming that insurance will cover that otherwise how many thousands of dollars shorter would you be for a broken bone?
And if you get a more serious or chronic pathology you'd get straight up bankrupt, and don't tell me that normal people with a job got their asses covered, i went down a rabbit hole of insurance horror stories after the Mangione thing.
Opinion discarded

>>213890830
Why do Americans keep saying that they’re paying for other countries free healthcare? I’ve seen this meme been repeated a lot on /int/ recently. Can a burger explain this to me?

>>213890181
>I can schedule an appointment in a month
what the fuck

>>213889622 (OP)
Germany's system you don't have to pay SHI if you have private insurance so this is probably the worst example to use for this.

>>213890872
Also in the US the price of anything healthcare related is absurdly inflated

>>213890875
they mean that they pay for their army to defend you (a lie to begin with, we pay for it ourselves), so because they're supposedly paying for your defense you're allowed to defer some of that money towards healthcare, so you are in a way leeching tax money from them to fund your healthcare, and if they were to pull their army back to America tomorrow you'd be forced to slash your healthcare budget and redirect it to the military, which would leave you with no free healthcare

>>213890897
yes, a month when it comes to a very specific specialist, and it's not an emergency. If you think about it, it's not a long time. I thought it would be much worse.
if you have an ear infection or something like that, you can go to the emergency room immediately.

>>213890947
how long to schedule a dentist appointment

>>213890939
Strange to think that military spending and social health care are somehow mutually exclusive.

>>213890977
i never tried it, i have a personal trusted dentist and it's not expensive

>>213890458
Dummy

>>213891014
that's just amerimutt logic

>>213890977
If it's not urgent it takes really long, like nine months.
If your teeth are hurting they'll do it next day.

>>213891064
>If it's not urgent it takes really long, like nine months.
this has to be bait

>Bloated system

Average Admin cost share to revenue by insurance:

Medicare/Medicaid: 2.5%
Private Insurance: 12.5%

There quite literally is nothing more bloated than private insurance companies.

>>213891076
It probably is. I’m not a Finn burning imagine it’s not very different from here and getting a dentist appointment for something non urgent is like 2 weeks tops.

>>213890977
It depends on the place. I've been out and about, so I know a little. Some require scheduling, which takes a week or so. Others are first come, first served with no scheduling, so it's just a matter of getting there early.

If you have an urgent problem and a dentist can't help at the moment, they give you free painkillers of the highest calliber (amoxylin, iirc), though. This was specially true during the pandemic because only essential services were working at the time.

>>213891089
I've come to the conclusion Americans just like being ripped off. They all complain about medical care being a rip off but then will balk at any suggestion that might make it better and less expensive.

The only thing I really dislike about our healthcare system is that you have absolutely no idea what it costs until the bill arrives. I've learned to skip follow-up appointments for sports injuries unless something is still wrong because you just say, "I'm better now" and get charged $100 for 5 minutes of a doctor's time.

>>213889622 (OP)
germany's healthcare system is privatized though, it's not free at all

>>213891259
Don’t us doctors also recommend a bunch of tests and procedures that aren’t really necessary but they do it anyway because they can just bill it to the insurance company? Never understood how someone can believe that generating more paperwork and requiring more oversight and administrators/paper pushers are somehow «more efficient»

>>213891286
Acshually they have a dual system

>>213890907
people think every country in europe has an nhs
most people are gullible, unworldly, uncurious and retarded, so they'll just eat shit like this up.

>>213891286
It's half and half, most European countries aren't fully socialised. In Germany lower income people pay SHI which is about 8/8% employer/employee of their income, but if your wealthy enough you can pay for private insurance and not have to pay SHI.

>>213891303
they subsidize health insurance for poor people, but practices are all actually privately owned and operated. it's closer to our system than it is the NHS or Italy's.

>>213890700
>Also,
>>free dental
>>free psychiatry
>This country has many problems. Public health isn't one of them.
Why are you lying on the internet?

Dental care you only get in the extreme cases, the same for psychiatric

>>213889622 (OP)
Why does America spend more on public healthcare than Euros when you still need private health insurance?

>>213891340
you get public healthcare when you're old
>why is it so expensive
because there is rampant price gouging and corruption at all levels of healthcare

>>213891335
Technically (most) GPs here are also all privately employed but the government covers the expenses.

>>213891295
I've only had one weird experience where a doctor prescribed me a topical anti-inflammatory gel that only one pharmacy in a major metropolis carried and it had a reimbursement scheme I didn't understand where the pharmacy billed my insurance $2k but at no cost to me. The gel also fucking sucked and made my skin scale up and peel like a sunburn.

>>213891418
thats how it is in most of europe. our system more or less works the same way, but it's reserved for certain people.

americans live like shit and there's huge inertia against regulating our healthcare industry from blatantly ripping everybody off at all times, so we're stuck in hell on earth. it's easily the worst part of living in this country. the bureaucracy and nightmare headache whenever you have to go to the doctor is insane. you're just constantly getting jerked around and having to jump through hoops while paying out the ass.

>>213889622 (OP)
>private healthcare syatem
>Insurance can be denied at any moment
>literally any biological data they can gather from you, your family or anyone with some sort of genetic similarities can and will be used against you.
>the guys approving and denying things are often times doctors who haven't practiced for some time, aren't licensed in your state or have no idea what the procedure and meds you need even pertaining to or don't have actual field experiance with it.
>have to baaically fight the hospital or the company. Sometimes both, especially in matters of billing fuckups.

>>213889622 (OP)
I've been in public hospitals twice for emergencies. For a burn I waited like 40 minutes and for appendicitis I waited for like an hour and a half and didn't have to pay for shit.

>>213891335
They still have state run hospitals there, usually the larger hospitals while the private ones are smaller but you'll get extra shit.

>>213891339
I am autistic. I got my diagnosis with a psychiatrist via CAPS. Pic related.
https://www.gov.br/saude/pt-br/composicao/saes/desmad/raps/caps

I also got a root canal and a tooth extraction. I could get more stuff, but as an autist, I fucking hate the sound of the drill.
https://www.gov.br/saude/pt-br/composicao/saps/brasil-sorridente

>>213890977
For a regular checkup it's like 3 weeks in advance, I assume for something serious you'd get an appointment within the week. Depends on the clinic though, some are at capacity and don't take on new patients, in which case you pretty much have to find another one