Thread 213920293

Choose to live anywhere but Moscow or Saint Petersburg?

>>213920293 (OP)
From my own experience I think Kaliningrad is a better place to live than both of these

you absolutely need to own an apartment by the time you're a retiree if you want to survive there, and thats not very feasible in these cities

>>213920448
Pole living in Russia? Crazy don't you guys hate Russians and Russia so much you'll side with your genociders (ukrainians) against them?
>>213920476
Are apartments still cheap in Russia? Wasn't that the meme after the fall of the USSR, that at least people got to own their commie block apartment?

>>213920293 (OP)
>Moscow
Overrun by pipo of color
> Saint Petersburg
Climate is a little bit chaotic. Winters are awful.

>>213920520
I don't live in Kaliningrad but I stayed there over a year in total because my gf lives there for now.
It's honestly a nice place with good climate, lots of nature and not too bad infrastructure. Shame about their government though that is trying to make everything shit for everyone including Russians

>>213920293 (OP)
Why would anyone in USA*
Choose to live anywhere but Moscow or Saint Petersburg?*

Fixed

>>213920640
>pic
I live here

>>213920683
Do you actually live in Zelenogradsk? I don't like the direction it's heading in, it seems to be suffering from overtourism with too many people for a small town, and short term rental apartments popping up everywhere

>>213920544
Yeah that makes sense. I feel like the winters in Russia are just bad in general unless you live to the farthest southern reaches. Could be wrong though.
>>213920642
Honestly it seems nice enough. I've never been to Russia, just the Czech Republic. I wouldn't mind living in Prague. What's better about Moscow?

>>213920293 (OP)
Because kuban has nice weather and organic produce

>>213920293 (OP)
if you hate the west, why live in western influenced cities?

>>213920925
Only St. Petersburg is Western influenced, and only aesthetically. Moscow is more like Tokyo or Seoul than anything Wectern

>>213920841
Moscow is three steps ahead of Prague and two steps ahead of New York and it is not a joke

Dostoyevsky makes Saint Petersburg seem so comfy.

>>213922919
I've been to Moscow many times and still don't understand why Russian think it's so great. It's just a big city
At least Prague is beautiful

>>213920293 (OP)
>Moscow
More like Mosque.
>Saint Petersburg
Raschleningrad(Dismemberment City), also home of degeneracy like porn and drugs.
>>213920875
And also kubanoids who are not human.

>>213923065
tsmt
TMD
oh, and St Petersburg is beautiful too

>>213923065
Do Prague has robots-deliverers of food?

>>213923186
They’re not some alien technology, Ivan. Some random college towns in flyover US states have them.

>>213923186
no idea about robojeets, but I haven't seen any in my 2 weeks of stay in Moscow either
in fact, the apartment we stayed in didn't even have drinkable tap water, we had to buy water from store
>>213923184
to be honest I think Moscow is way better than SPB
it's just that Russians on /int/ tell you it's the best city on earth but never actually argument why is that

>>213923276
Spb is shit to live in, but you gotta admit that it’s beautiful. And I visited back in like 2011 when they still had that post-Soviet 90s vibe with the shitty advertisements for the local flower shops o algo on Imperial buildings. Still mogged Moscquehive.

>>213923466
Last time I've been to SPB it was 80th anniversary of lifting the Siege of Leningrad. The city was full of Soviet symbolics, had old music and historical speeches playing from speakers on the streets, it was really cool. But the city itself seemed quite dirty and run down, even in central districts, and the weather was absolutely miserable

>>213923534
>the weather
part of the experience
You should have gone in July when they have the White Nights.

>>213920520
>Wasn't that the meme after the fall of the USSR, that at least people got to own their commie block apartment?
That's true but saying that saying own it thanks to the fall of the USSR is a bit disingenuous. The USSR, unlike capitalist countries, put elimination of homelessness as one of its tasks, so lots of cheap housing was a given, the 1991 dissollution did not increase the housing supply but simply changed the owners from the state to you. Does it matter to you who is the owner of the apartment if nothing has changed for you? You could swap apartments for any other even in the USSR and even sell them under the table. What happened in reality is that capitalists privatised what they did not own and then the construction went off the cliff, absolute majority of East Slavs is living in the USSR built houses almost 40 years after dissolution.
>Are apartments still cheap in Russia?
They are not cheap in 3rd world, period. First worlders complain about housing prices but the situation in poorer countries is even worse. In Ukraine anybody receiving the official average wage would have to spend 16 years saving 30% of his income (100$ from the $300 wage) to buy a $20 000 worth apartment in a decent city. An average German would have to spend 8 years if he were earning the official wage and saving $1000 (50% out of the $2000 wage). And I tell you that saving the 50% in Germany is quite a bit easier than saving the 30% in Ukraine.

>>213920520
>Wasn't that the meme after the fall of the USSR, that at least people got to own their commie block apartment?
That's true but saying that they own it thanks to the fall of the USSR is a bit disingenuous. The USSR, unlike capitalist countries, put elimination of homelessness as one of its tasks, so lots of cheap housing was a given, the 1991 dissollution did not increase the housing supply but simply changed the owners from the state to you. Does it matter to you who is the legal owner of the apartment if nothing has changed for you in real life? You could swap apartments for any other even in the USSR and even sell them under the table. What happened in reality is that capitalists privatised what they did not own and then the construction went off the cliff, absolute majority of East Slavs is living in the USSR built houses almost 40 years after dissolution.
>Are apartments still cheap in Russia?
They are not cheap in 3rd world, period. First worlders complain about housing prices but the situation in poorer countries is even worse. In Ukraine anybody receiving the official average wage would have to spend 16 years saving 30% of his income (100$ from the $300 wage) to buy a $20 000 worth apartment in a decent city. An average German would have to spend 8 years if he were earning the official wage and saving $1000 (50% out of the $2000 wage). And I tell you that saving the 50% in Germany is quite a bit easier than saving the 30% in Ukraine.

>>213923565
>You should have gone in July when they have the White Nights.
Been there in late June too, during Covid when it was really hard to travel to Russia (unlike now), it was in fact my first visit in Russia and the first time I met my soon-to-be wife in person.

>>213923626
>Polish skuf got his Piter altushka
can’t suffer in Lachistan

>>213923639
gf is actually from southern Russia, Volgograd area, but she moved to Kaliningrad

>>213923671
>Polish skuf got his Kubanoid altushka

Quiet
Nature
Work opportunities. If you're a tradie you'll find work anywhere.
High trust societies
Or attachment to the land and people. Some people are born in a place and never feel the need to leave.

>>213923689
she has the -uk surname and her ancestors come from areas ranging from former Poland to Uzbekistan

>>213923702
>Work opportunities. If you're a tradie you'll find work anywhere.
High trust societies
I think you should shut the fuck up and never speak again, you are a literal animal, a dog that was given the gift of speech. You belong to /pol/ or any other place with double digit IQ retards like you spreading propaganda they were fed

>>213923723
Imagine being so butthurt over some text on a screen lmao you're a clown

>>213923753
I am simply illuminating you with the God's truth, animals like you rarely interact with humans, if ever.

>>213920293 (OP)
I'm ignorant about the differences between major cities and minor cities in Russia, but the Russians may have the same thing in mind.

>>213923753
He’s a Ukrainian commie draft-dodger. That’s like three sources of eternal butthurt at once.

>>213923775
So is your intelligence low enough as well to believe in this:
>Work opportunities. If you're a tradie you'll find work anywhere.
>High trust societies
What are you even doing in Goymany, why did you not abandon Germanistan for the tradorthodox 1488% RUSSKIY paradise?

>>213920293 (OP)
Lemme guess you live in a huge city with a gorillion people. Some people just prefer living in a smaller and more peaceful place

Siberian cities are nice

>>213923792
I have never agreed or disagreed with your points. I am not here to argue with you. The obvious things I can point out are
>le west bad
go back
>b-b-but ukraine bad
go to Russia o algo
>bbbbut russia bad
kys o algo

>>213923775
He doesn't seem mentally well lmao

>>213923822
So you have absolutely nothing to add except your barking?

>>213923844
Look who’s talking.
>>213923831
commies usually aren’t

>>213923902
The one who is talking is the only guy here >>213923607 who actually bothers to crunch numbers or look up statistics instead of copying and pasting propaganda he has seen on pol. I don't see your tiny brain to refute what I am saying, I just see you polluting this board with your idiotic opinions without any facts

>>213923961
trying to refute*

>>213923961
>I don't see your tiny brain to refute
Maybe because I said I’m not interested in retarded le facts and logic debates itt, Mr Big Brain Shapiro? Chill the fuck out and stop stinking up the thread.

>>213923798
Agree