Thread 213964367

Where did the blue collar pays good meme come from, in Germany 90% of actual blue collars earn below $50 000 a year before tax, even the "elite" of blue collar workers like welders or nurses don't hit even the 40 000 euros mark. You'd think it's different in the USA but tradies suffer from the same problem, welders earn around $50 000 a year and the only well-off are the nurses (due to extremely bloated prices in healthcare sector, so ALL workers there benefit)

>>213964367 (OP)
its a meme for a reason, nobody wants their kids to do these jobs

I make the most out of my brothers and I'm the only blue collar. Maybe it depends on the job

>>213964367 (OP)
Psyop to get white men into working manual jobs while women and browns get the safe, comfortable white-collar jobs.

>>213964438
And your job is? Underwater diving and travel nurses are the only blue collar specialsits with good pay but but both have large drawbacks with the underwater diving having one of the highest mortality rates in existence. I don't think that Germany has any good blue-collar jobs, there's no Norwegian off-shore oil drills and no Canadian or Australian mines in far away wastelands. You either work at a factory for the wages I showed or you switch the field and try to become a white collar instead

>>213964530
I wanted to say underwater wielding, ofc

>>213964367 (OP)
Öhm Handwerk hat goldenen Boden oder so

>>213964438
Scandinavia might be the sole place where that's really the case, as income differences between most jobs are marginal.

In most of the Wect, the more removed your job is from actual work with your actual hands (e.g. tax consultant, project manager, patent analyst ...), the better you earn.

>>213964367 (OP)
you seem not to realize that when someone thinks of "blue collars making good money" they mean independent tradies like plumbers, electricians and so on, not factory/warehouse workers.
Just be an electrician, run your own business with repairing electrical stuff in people's houses or just finishing houses inside and you will have high income guaranteed (if you're actually professional).

>>213965048
Even among independent contractors the pay is shit though. Doesn't mean there are not a few guys who can make it work, but typically only after they remove themselves from the actual work when they start employing other people to do the work and become more of a business owner

>>213965166
>Even among independent contractors the pay is shit though.
Well, to each his own, I think people might have just different expectations for what good income is. Obviously you cannot expect a plumber to ever make more than a CEO of some international corporation but still it will be probably more than most regular wagies.

>>213965258
Maybe in the east it's different but here, no. 9/10 times you are better off with a real job than a blue collar job.

>>213964367 (OP)
starting wages in some trades here are about 70k, you get that at 18-19 after 2 years of trade school and 2 years someehat poorly paid apprenticeship, a job is guaranteed. what does a simmilar university graduate make at 18? thats right, its 3-5years before they start looking for jobs and then they all got meme degrees in a completely oversaturated marked and end up as cashiers and bartebders with student debt.

>>213965331
>Maybe in the east it's different
It's different in this sense that an eastoid can go to NL to work as an electrician there and in 5 years save enough money to buy a palace here.

>>213965361
Yea because of the purchasing power difference lol, not because those jobs are actually good for local people. There's a reason he buys a home back in the east and not here (because he cant afford one here, exactly)

>>213965356
Why would you have student debt in europe? How much does university cost in norway?

in my country majority if not all blue collar slaves in my cunt earn less than $60/month, in contrast the average office worker earns $500 average

>>213965331
>blue collar work is not a real job but sitting at a computer all day is

>>213965565
I mean.. yes? Doing actual work where you have stress, deadlines have to use your brain and people are counting on you is a real job and banging tools against pipes is not.

>>213965492
>earn less than $60/month,
and how do you make it to the end of the month
i realise stuff is cheap but that still close to 0

>>213965651
You don't think blue collar workers have deadlines? Lol

>>213965651
Are you a computer program and live in some crypto mining server room?

>>213965447
public ones are free, a popular private one 8000/year. you still have to afford living there and statisticly thats between 800-1500/month. you get some covered by state, you get some in loans if you need more (most do if they dont work a lot on the side)
remember that most here do not live within a reasonable commuting distance from a university.

>>213965690
If by deadline you mean 5 seconds to screw in a knob before the next gizmo rolls over on the assembly line, sure

>>213965700
no?

>>213965742
Just get a job.

>>213964367 (OP)
American nurses live from paycheck to paycheck
They don't get paid well at all

>>213965779
All jobs have deadlines, there's a certain amount of work you're expected to do every day or week. A pilot can't just skip preparations and take off when he feels like it.

>>213965779
Yeah, this is bait.

>>213965816
Deadline =/= having work times retard. Of course everyone has to meet the contractual obligations of coming to work that they agreed to, but that's not the same as a deadline

>>213965862
You think you can just show up at work, sit your ass down and do nothing?

>>213965824
Who the fuck would I even be baiting here?

Blue collar shills ( who work in the office and hires illegals to do the blue collar work they used to do ) shill it.

>>213965887
No, I'm sure you have things to do and shit but you don't have deadlines like people at a real job have lol.

>>213965898
Any normal adult?

>>213965928
>deadline is a narrow field of time, or a particular point in time, by which an objective or task must be accomplished. Once that time has passed, the item may be considered overdue

I'm a train driver, do you think I have an infinite amount of time to prepare the locomotive and railcars before departure?

>>213965779
there isnt jobs for everyone and you dont have enough time to work the hours they demand

>>213966040
Really? here basically every student I know has some part time job working in a restaurant/grocery store/delivery driving etc.

>>213965981
Are you really this dense or just trolling? You don't work towards deadlines. Deadlines are set weeks or months in advance and represent meaningful, real work, not minutes of checking whether the engine works etc.

>>213965969
Most normal people have real jobs though retard. That's what makes them normal

>>213966152
Now you're moving the goal posts by only talking about "deadlines weeks or months in advance", something that doesn't apply to most white collar work

>>213966152
??? Do you have like a condition or something?

>>213964367 (OP)
that's an engineer salary in france

>>213966253
Did you try pulling yourself by bootstraps

>>213966212
Well, that's the part that makes something a real job: that you're actually working towards something. Most people call that a deadline. Do you ever hear a plumber being stressed about "I have this big plumbing deadline coming up at the end of week 40, my boss will kill me if I don't get this pipe in"? You can be autistic about the definition of "deadline" and argue semantics but that changes nothing about the actual distinguishing factor

>>213966249
Explain what's on your mind rather than mindless namecalling cause I genuinely feel we are talking past eachother

>>213966395
Construction workers and plumbers have deadlines. Are you actually this retarded?

>>213966395
>Explain what's on your mind
I would, but it just feels like I'm talking to a washing machine.

>>213966448
>"ugh I'm so stressed about my brick laying deadline in week 50!"

?

>>213966477
So what's on your mind?

>>213966514
>Your new office building might be finished in a year, maybe 3 years. We'll see how much the workers care
Do you think a construction company can take forever to finish their work?

>>213966550
They typically do lol. Ever seen how long road work projects last? Sometimes takes months for what really is a week of labor

>>213966630
Video games and movies are also delayed all the time, does that mean they don't have deadlines?

>>213966514
Genuinely, what the fuck are you smoking down there? Asbestos?

>>213966152
city i used to live in has around 37 000 students, 17% of its population. good luck finding jobs for all.

I can't even imagine what (you) are working on to have such a mindset.

>>213966693
Same in my city, yet most have jobs. So what kind of people staff restaurants and stack shelves in norway?

>>213966671
Are there even office jobs in belaruse? everyone is a cleaner I heard

>>213966665
They have them but in a different way than e.g. electricians. Ever heard an electrician go "ugh I'm so stressed about this wiring deadline"?

Do you genuinely not see the difference between blue collar work and white collar work lol?

>>213966776
>Ever heard an electrician go "ugh I'm so stressed about this wiring deadline"?
Yes? those types of workers are stressed out all the time because they take too many jobs at once and have to drive back and forth between them. It sounds like you've never hired or known a blue collar worker in your life

How long the deadline is obviously depends on the size of the job. If you think an electrician can take forever on the wiring on a large construction site you are delusional

>>213966842
Your reading comprehension shows why you are not fit for office work. Nothing wrong with that btw! we need all kinds of people

>>213966952
>all office work has month long deadlines

lmao, I don't think you've had a job in your life.

Office workers be like
>When's the deadline for fixing the coffee machine? I have an analytic evaluation datasheet on week 18

>>213966776
doubt it.
workers. who staff these jobs between 7 and 15 at your place? students who should have studied instead?

>>213964367 (OP)
that's after tax, right? surely gotta be.
>>213966253
no it isn't, even after tax engineers in france make like 1.5-2x that

>>213966842
meh it depends if you are a hired wagie its not your problem and you can refeer to safety protocols, overtime laws and whatever and continue to work at your regular pace. its the managers thats stressed out, its their heads that will roll.

>>213966952
there are different kinds of tradies. independent contractors absolutely have to juggle responsibilities to meet deadlines.

>>213967074
True but that can apply to any job. The people in charge of staffing and locomotive planning just leave their work a mess and goes home at 16 and tell their boss they can't do it in time.

>>213966981
You think we spit out projects at a week notice lol? You've definitely never been inside an office and it shows

>>213966996
What do you mean "doubt it"? What the fuck are you doubting here? As a student your schedule is quite flexible, and waitress/grocery store work is typically flexible too. I typically always had days in the week where I didn't have lectures so I could fit in a couple of shifts of work per week, and that's absolutely true for most students. Even at the end of my degree I had a part time office job in my field and my schedule was flexible enough to make it work.

You mean to tell me that 1. there are really grown ass adults working jobs like waitressing and stacking shelves in norway? 2. Every norwegian student prefer to just rack up huge amounts of debts rather than work a couple of days in the week.

>>213967074
that's got nothing to do with what your job is and everything to do with how much skin in the game you've got. you think office roasties pull unpaid overtime for weeks on end to meet deadlines? fuck no they spend the whole day fucking around and fuck off not a second over their contractually obligated work hours.

>>213967063
>no it isn't, even after tax engineers in france make like 1.5-2x that
lmao

>>213967166
>there are really grown ass adults working jobs like waitressing and stacking shelves
yeah they're called slavs and jeets

>>213967202
many engineers make 30+k after tax even here, easily. and we're like 2-3x poorer than you. I'm a broke retard with a fake job and even I make 38k before tax which is 27k after tax.

>>213967166
I'm inside our office almost every day and the majority of them don't have "projects" you fucking moron. While 4 people are working to solve problems on a day-to-day basis there's maybe one working on the next day or next week

What sort of month-long project do you think an average office administrator has?

>>213967227
yeah but you don't have Le Contrat Social™

>>213967239
Do you think administration work is a real job lmao? It's just old hags putting stuff into excel. Might as well call the HR lady a real worker

>>213967239
>What sort of month-long project do you think an average office administrator has?
winning the company-wide BBC riding competition

>>213967267
wdym, every country has the social contract. do french people conspire specifically to underpay engineers for whatever reason?

>>213967274
That's the majority of white collar work you fucking moron, do you think everyone is a programmer who hasn't been replaced by AI yet?

Please just say your job, so I can call you a dumb Nigger and fuck off from this thread.

>>213967328
No? Why would I think that?

>>213967378
>I didn't mean all sorts of deadlines, only specifically the ones I have
>I didn't mean all white collar work, only specifically the ones similar to mine

Learn how to communicate you dumb nigger

>>213964367 (OP)
I'm a painter (as in walls) and I earn 41 800 kronor /€ 3751 per month. That's 33 193 kronor / € 2977 per month after taxes and everything.

Which is quite a lot more than my two brothers who work office jobs earn.

>>213967426
administration stuff is not white collar work. It's barely a career retard

Sometimes the stuck of nature of white collar workers gets under my skin but I'm glad I never spend any time around the stupidity of practical workers. Not sure why I am currently seeking it out in my spare time though. I'm logging off for today

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>>213967166
int posters
>i can never afford to move out on a fulltime salary in my country
also int posters
>i can easily afford moving out on a irregular part time salary in my country

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>>213967734
When people talk about not being able to rent a place, they are not talking about sharing a student home with 6 other people. Those have lower rents but are only available to students.

>>213967063
It's all before taxes. German salaries and wages are always listed as before tax. When a cashier in German Lidl earns 15 euros a hour, that doesn't mean he is taking home the 15 in reality.

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>>213967315
france is a turbo mega giga liberal capitalist hellhole this is why the salaries are so bad

>>213964367 (OP)
It's true to some extent, the pay is better when you work overtime and extra days a week, blue collar jobs almost always have these.

>>213969355
Doing overtime in Germany is retarded but doing overtime in Germany as a blue collar is THE most retarded thing you can do, in the eyes of law there's no difference between Ivan working 7 days a week for $5000 a month and Gretha the HR working 4 days for $500, both are taxed the same.

>>213969355
Doing overtime in Germany is retarded but doing overtime in Germany as a blue collar is THE most retarded thing you can do, in the eyes of law there's no difference between Ivan working 7 days a week for $5000 a month and Gretha the HR working 4 days for $500, both are taxed the same.

>>213969355
Doing overtime in Germany is retarded but doing overtime in Germany as a blue collar is THE most retarded thing you can do, in the eyes of law there's no difference between Ivan working 12 hour long shifts, 7 days a week in a warehouse for $5000 a month and Gretha the HR working 8 hours long 4 days for $5000, both are taxed the same %-wise.

>>213969504
vgh the france of central europe

>>213967791
lol they cover only 13% of all students here and foreign students have priority. the rest rely on private rent.

>>213969651
>foreign students have priority.
what the fuck? how does that make sense? here foreigners are advised to not come unless they managed to find housing themselves. There's no housing organised by the university, only private rent

>>213964367 (OP)
>Where did the blue collar pays good meme come from
wait you BELIEVED that?

>>213964367 (OP)
If you are good with people and have an appetite for risk, trade offer better growth prospects than a lot of white collar jobs.
That's probably what people mean.
Playing to your strengths and all that...

>>213964367 (OP)
>Job in rural Saxony is badly paid.
What a suprise. The blue collar workers of the large chemical, energy and manufacturing giants easily earn twice that.

>>213969921
because they cant find housing themselfs and definetly cant afford it and all unis want a number of foreigners its a status symbol for them.

>>213968767
wtf those are comparable to salaries here unironically

>>213971757
>all unis want a number of foreigners its a status symbol for them.
it's not that. university ratings are heavily affected by the percentage of foreign students. universities with higher ratings get more applicants and more funding, one way or another

>>213964367 (OP)
It was meme that existed during the cold war because of high unionized labor rated. The 90s saw unions take a nose dive for two obvious reasons.

>>213972230
thats exactly what a status symbol is for a uni...

It's different for tradies in the US since we don't have draconian business laws. Usually, if you're over 100 IQ and in a trade you'll do your time as an apprentice then start your own business. Very easy to scale and a realistic pathway to making $200k+ from nothing as people will shoot each other for decent tradesmen and contractors here.

>>213965048
Which is why the 'bring back manufacturing through tariffs' movement may be the most retarded political movement of all time.

>>213964367 (OP)
If you're an elevator constructor in USA you get a lot of money. But that's because their union behaves like an absolute parasite.

>>213972565
it's not a vague status symbol, it's a numeric KPI they optimize for direct, predictable financial return