Thread 213966625

was Donbabwe and Luganda worth it?

I hope all eastern "europeans" die in a especial military operation

>>213966670
Why do you hate them?

>>213966625 (OP)
Did that many people die in the war so far? Thats actually kinda unimaginable

>>213966625 (OP)
>kyiv in 2-3 days
wait it was 2 weeks before that
did they change your doctrine?

>millions of dead piggies
>GAYTO humiliated
>butthurt belt clitties dilating
>Only 100K losses so far
>Urukhraine becoming just another oblast in Puccia

Yep.

>>213966711
>people
No just russians

>>213966711
Indeed. 1.5 mil total causalties throughout it all, more on Ukrainian side than Russian, mucho mines and artillery. It's really hard to assess casualties due to psy-ops and opsec.
What isn't hard to assess, unfortunately, is organ trade. Ukrainian military and mercs are routinely cut up for organs, as are Russians. Not only it has been ongoing since 2014, it's in high scale now, complete with price lists.
It's so terrible that there's at least one legit psycho that cuts up people alive, including children, without anesthesia.
Ukrainians fucked up Donbassian mentality too much over the years, so the people that resulted from this are ruthless, too.

>>213966859
>1.5 mil total causalties throughout it all, more on Ukrainian side than Russian, mucho mines and artillery.
if this is true then why is it year 4 of special operation with barely any frontline changes for years and no end in sight

>>213966859
>In a defensive war the defender takes more casualties

Inderestink duhduh

>>213966927
Much mines

>>213966764
>Only 100K losses
That seems a lot for something so pointless

>>213966962
I think he means the raised Russian Ukrainian soldiers they are all gone

>>213966927
>barely any frontline changes for years
Uhhm Russia conquered two farms this month alone, where is the respect?

>>213967008
It's way more than 100k

>>213966718
It always was two days, but Putin graciously added one day margin of error for his 3-day SMO.

>>213966670
Seems a bit harsh. What did they do to you?

>>213967064
how gracious

>>213966962
That isn't as foregone as you think it sounds. Defensive wars can be fought in more than one way, while motorized warfare dynamics are complex, mines really fuck up any advances, etc.
UA could've not sent mercs into grind like they're spices on meat, Russia could've been more precise in artillery usage, cluster bombs, etc.

>>213967021
>Russia is winning too slowly

>>213966670
saar Ukraine is central European

>>213966625 (OP)
Russians will call any number fake and if it isnt then Ukrainians lost 3 times as many and if they didnt it is still of strategic benefit to them and if it isnt fuck you westener you cant understand the 4d chess

>>213967064
>meme book
never saw at least one real source of this

>>213966670
>>213966711
Wait I thought that Russia didn't want to invade Ukraine. What happened?

>>213967032
120k is just the recorded names count, the actual number is estimated to be a lot higher
https://en.zona.media/article/2025/08/01/casualties_eng-trl

>>213967123
Unironically yes. Too slowly, too costly. Things will get hard to justify

>>213966625 (OP)
What went wrong?

>>213966927
Other than obvious reasons such as advance slog due to good tech capabilities, unwilingness to take risks on Russian side and play dangerous with their equipment, constant mine field problems, constant drone problems, snipers and artillery, as well as UA war being a sort of controlled test ground for drones, the primary reasons are hard to assess.
Russians very much do have, or at least used to have both good mil strat planners and vets for rookie training, academies are high quality, yet the way war proceeds is fucky, initial assault is at odds with military expertise at least to my dillettante view.

Some say the war is an utter lie, the primary reason is political, and USA, UA, RF and partially EU have an agreement, either mid war or since the start.
Not impossible, historically Russia lost 1st Chechen War this way IIRC, the political leadership just sold out and ruined everything at the last moment. Some others said Putin is being lied to at some level in command chain.
Beyond that I can't say, I never looked deeply into it.
It's a grind, and it seems possible that the actual purpose of the war is either planetary despair increase, controlled chaos in details in the long-term, or outright sacrifices.

But it is fucky. Something critical is amiss, this war is irrational. Something inhuman.

>>213966625 (OP)
Donbass and Lugansk? I thought the goal was to genocide the people and plunge the countries deeper into shit.

>>213966670
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>>213967345
>wrong
russia exists

>unwilingness to take risks on Russian side
Havent seen that pasta for a while

>>213967407
>Some say the war is an utter lie, the primary reason is political, and USA, UA, RF and partially EU have an agreement, teither mid war or since the star.
Brain rot

>>213966670
This but non europeans

>>213967520
What else do you call the way they use helicopter missiles? Sure it's better than risk losing a heli, but every missile missed costs money.

>>213967008
Only 100k losses every 4 months

>>213967516
I guess that's the root cause. Can anything be done about it?

>>213966927
Because both armies are a lot larger today than when the war started. It's considered a bloody war but in context far more people have died of natural causes in both countries than as a result of the war

>>213967684
1 million casualties

Guys on scooters
Wheelchair bound soldiers

>>213967773
It's an actual war, you daft cunt, mercs from all over the globe are in it, artillery is used non-stop.
Of-course there'd be an assortment of corpses and dead men walking.
And it still isn't as bad as it could've been had RF and UA played dangerous and attacked civs, rather than sending drone strikes that inexplicably kill less than a 5 people or so if any.

>>213967684
I feel like RU Air Force is restrained in this war

>>213967937
It is, from what I've been told. It's smart in conserving vehicles, FAB bombs helps a lot, but there's only so much turtling one can do. Just because Russia has resources to wage attrition and exhaust the enemy doesn't mean it isn't wasteful.

>>213967937
AA, entering Ukrainian airspace is suicide, that's why they're restricted to launching cruise missiles or glide bombs outside of enemy AA range

>>213967937
>>213968032
>"We werent even trying"

Oh lol like the amounts of copium here are getting orbital

>>213968100
Reading comprehension dump stat much?
Nobody said they aren't trying, only that they peculiarly don't use their resources to the fullest. AA problem is a bitch, but it's not impossible to overcome.

>>213968188
At last. I truly see. Russia is intentionally holding back.... if they used 100% of their power, then KIEV would fall in two weeks from then on....

>>213966859
>more on Ukrainian side than Russian
rofl

>>213968100
Is true? Russia forced in SMO only use old gear, no armata yet for instance. Nor latest magnetic cannon produce by Russia. Otherwise warsaw would have fallen in 3 weeks. But Russia wants to prevent open war with west despite nafo desinfo

>>213968032
Other brunches are suffering because of this "conservative usage", maybe even the Air Force itself could prevent UAV bombings of airfields resulting in less "empty" losses
>>213968088
AA is not omnipresent as russian UAV attacks show lately and Russia has a lot more to gain for an occasional jet or two down

>>213967345
authoritarian shithole drinking its own coolaid

>>213968270
Are you dumb? Do you think a multi-hundred people nation has one face and mind?
Variables are at odds. Industrial capacity is there, missiles are there, willing people in the field at least on troop and up to mid command level are there, etc, but orders go where they go now.
Neither side employs more ruthless tactics, no sharp forays or drastic tactical innovation attempts are made, hold back is in places where it shouldn't be. Some commanders are scummy to troops, but not all, so how is that in spite of all expertise in the field on all sides the war is proceeding as it does?
That is the problem.

>>213968356
AA for UAV is different than AA for jets

>>213968356
>Other brunches are suffering because of this "conservative usage", maybe even the Air Force itself could prevent UAV bombings of airfields resulting in less "empty" losses
Unquestionably. Our forces for some reasons bomb UA industry and facilities sparingly from what I've heard, when logically they should've been blowing it up early, and then attack in detail.

>>213968472
Yes, but there's not a lot of long-range SAMs in Ukraine. Not every missile will result in a splash, imagine if they get detected while firing and get destroyed, that's at least a 3-4 missiles+launch system lost, and what if it was an everyday occasion?

>>213966625 (OP)
of course it was xir, think about all the mansions and yachts the oligarchs can buy now that they captured the donbass with all its natural resources

>>213967407
>Russians very much do have, or at least used to have both good mil strat planners and vets for rookie training, academies are high quality
Did Russia ever have these things? I think Russia has always had something of a reputation for incompetence, at least for the past 100 years. What Russia lacks in competence, it makes up in size and volume

>>213968379
Do you have the blyatkrieg version?

>Heh... you have only seen a small percentage of our power...
The cope
I can't even

rewatching red october for dinner today
kino :}

>>213968895
One doesn't build an empire by being weak, no matter what others say.
It's both.
Reputation is partially exaggerated by propaganda as part of usual psych bolstering tactic by dehumanizing enemies, but Russia always had both excellent military pros, really catastrophic fuckups, and extremely tiresome corrupt officials, in military included.
Afghan vets are a phone call away, to put it into perspective. CT forces have actual combat experience pretty much all the time, FSB analytics are perpetually busy too. There's no particular shortage of personnel between branches.

One general was imprisoned for 1 billion rubles bribe, also to put it into perspective (think how many tens or hundreds of billions must actual crime sphere utilize if multi-million checks are a mere throwaways). SMO fund asks people to donate 1mil to buy equipment packs. Naturally they do, being compatriots. SMO fund gets it honestly done.
But that one bribe? Yeah. You can fund a lot with it. But it's just a bribe. With all the implications.
Polities like Russia, USA, British Empire, they cannot be easily destroyed by outside means. So the battle shifts within, and it's so very hard to battle corruption with your hands tied.

>>213968432
Damn. I love tactical explanations... especially when theyre so vague..... one face and mind, the variables are at ODDS! The missiles are there, the artillery is working. Stuff is happening.... shit... tactics and stuff.... But Russia will win because its the strongest,and the nato nazis want to conquer russia and sissify all of the males! FUCK....... holy shit....

>>213968895
Russia is probably the only country who can fight and defeat USA.
Currently Russia stands alone and.defeats all of nafo troop in the ukraine.

>>213969295
I made no tactical explanations, merely my own dillettante assumptions as to what problems there are.
Point about millions of people was in regards to your bland bullshit, and there outright weren't any assumptions about any victory chances, only confusion.
At least put a bait on a hook.

>>213967091
This doesn't really have anything to do with Russia specifically, but I hate talking heads from every country who just talk bullshit on TV about things they know nothing about. They always seem so smug and condescending.

>>213966711

It's combat losses, even the wounded and people who just deserted and took a bus back home are counted.
But yeah this war was a meat grinder.
> was it worth it
Absolutely not, and that's the only thing both parts agree on.

>>213969246
I didn't say Russia is weak, I said Russia has always had a reputation for incompetence. But you're right, this reputation shouln't be overstated, but it does exist

>>213969316
Lol :D

>>213969316
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>213969384
Quite. The funny part about Soloviev's show is that most of them are Jews. Not particularly bad ones, Soloviev is nuts, but he's a patriot, and he's honest, especially on his radio.
DESU talking heads are better than most internet talk. At least those have a better vocabulary.
Political talk is insufferable here, you can't have any without insults or side taking, as if being rude and malicious takes priority over any reason or earnest thinking.

>>213966670
Holy based

>>213968895
his mind can't handle the dissonance between the bs about heroic russian army he was fed the entire life and reality, let him be

>>213969763
I have none, I know for a fact military competents exist, including military dynasties, as well as some military capable non-affiliates that spat on it all and just left.
What I can't ascertain is the depth to which corruption runs, what end goals are being pursued, just how many traitors are there, and occult.

>>213969316
sending jeets and north koreans to die in a fake dronewar does not constitute you beating the US in anything xDDDD

>>213966625 (OP)
i dont see what difference it makes to a billionaire whether a russian or an indian gets to clean his toilet

>>213966625 (OP)
From a resource standpoint? Probably, yeah

>>213966625 (OP)
i find it ironic when westerners and ukrainians in absolute awe of russian losses, while both russian society and russian govt gives zero fucks about it. They will bury another million of them, and another, and by that time new generation of thieves, rapists, criminals, alcoholics, narcs, and other genetic waste from rural depths of siberia will make another million for Putin

>>213970078
Because Russia is strapped for resources lol

>>213970325
2 more bombed villages and russia will become an utopia

>>213966625 (OP)
...Yes?

>>213970325
You can argue that about any big country

>>213966625 (OP)
1 million only the first month you putler agent