Thread 213987912

Why do Serbs use Latin alphabet more and more? When I went to r/Serbia, 99% of posts were written in Latin, mot Cyrillic.

>>213987912 (OP)
VGGH... The fall of SVRBIA

>>213987912 (OP)
Because when you have 2 alphabets officially used in your language you naturally choose the more useful one for most time. Especially that it gives them mutual intelligibility with all of ex-yu area while most Croats or Bosnians can't read Cyrillic.

It's the same like when you know 2 languages on the same level, you will tend to use the more useful one more often

>>213987912 (OP)
it's the krajnichi croats saaar

>>213987912 (OP)
serbs realized cyrillic is cursed

>>213987912 (OP)
they’re just tsundere to americans desu. they love Big American Cock but they wanna pretend to hate us while we slide our circumcised cocks in their boypussies

The real question is why do russians use cyrillic instead of latin

>>213987912 (OP)
Latin tends to be used in the media and business more while official/govt publications (and everything church-related) are usually in Cyrillic. Also most Serbs prefer to handwrite with Cyrillic but already use Latin on electronic devices.

>>213987966
slavic languages really aren't made for latin

>>213988027
Least homosexual American drivel.

>>213988041
Because Cyrillic is perfect for east Slavic languages. Latin is too primitive and East Slavic texts written in Latin are absolutely fucked.

>>213987912 (OP)
>r/Serbia
Why don't you stay there redditfriend?

>>213988053
I'm so glad that 99% of Greeks only use our alphabet nowadays, back during the advent of Internet "Greeklish" was common with over 50% of zoomers/millenials

>>213988080
did your tiny yellow russy clitty tingle when you read that? it’s okay, you would be allowed to watch and maybe we would consider taking your clitty cage off after if you were a good girl :3

>>213988060
That's a meme. There is well-adjusted version of Latin used in Slavic languages as well as there is a well-adjusted version of Greek for them (and that is named...Cyrillic). So in the end it's up to you which adaptation of a foreign script you use. But it's ridiculous to think that a Greek-based script must be naturally better for Slav tongues than a Latin-based one

>>213988080
>and East Slavic texts written in Latin are absolutely fucked.
Because you simply don't have an official version of Russian Latin. Make it (even just borrow that from Serbian), learn it at school and suddenly you will like it.

R/Serbia is a funny place btw. You can feel someone probably pays these people to post the most ridiculous anti-Vucic propaganda.

>>213988131
Serbian doesn't distinguish between hard and soft consonants. That's why Serbian texts written in Latin look relatively tolerable, but try to transliterate something like вoзвpaщeниe or блaгoдeнcтвyющий and you'll get crap lime vozvrashcheniye and blagodenstvuyushchiy.

>>213988080
They're literally the same type of writing system. Just add a glyph or two or some diacritics like you did with the Greek alphabet. Vietnamese and Turkish have no problems, and they're not even in the same language family.
>East Slavic texts written in Latin are absolutely fucked.
Because it's being transliterated into the orthography of another language rather than a mere adaptation of the Latin writing system. Cyrillic isn't an improvement over something like Arabizi.

Also people are way too autistic about muh phonemic writing system. English proves it literally doesn't matter.

>>213988060
neither is english
or any language besides latin

btw: modern slavic languages werent made for cyrillic either

>>213988253
>and you'll get crap lime vozvrashcheniye and blagodenstvuyushchiy.
No? You don't get that because you used retarded translit made by teenagers rather than a well adjusted version of Latin. It could be written as vozvraščenje and it's totally fine.

>>213988315
Cyrillic was created especially for Slavic languages.

>>213988080
Cyrillic doesn't work for Polish. They'd have to have 45 different letters in Cyrillic for it to work and it would still have problems. Polish has diverged from the time that Cyrillic script was created enough that it would be just as effective as Latin script anyway
>>213988332
Cyrillic was created for Old Church Slavonic lol

Why do Serbs even suck Russian dick? Russkies did nothing to help in the 90s

>>213988253
>Serbian doesn't distinguish between hard and soft consonants
It does, you have č and ć, dž and dj.
And you can also borrow ś or ń from Polish. Or you can also use i/j for ь. There is not any inherent problem with Latin in Slavic languages, its just all matter of customary use. If you were raised with Latin and it was taught at school to you, you would think it's the best alphabet for Russian, same like Poles believe that szcz is the best solution for Polish

>>213988332
Made out of Greek.
Nothing stopping you from doing the same thing with Latin, except you don't need to diverge nearly as heavily because:
>Orthographic evolution from writing style is basically dead
>We're much smarter about writing systems these days and know to add diacritics instead of brand new glyphs
>Latin comes with more letters than Greek

>>213988332
Serbian Latin was created specially for Serbian.

Once again, why Greek-based script adjusted to Slavic languages must be better than Latin-based script adjusted to Slavic languages?

ITT: Russians will defend their stubbornness even though all other Slavs manage it without Cyrillic just fine

>>213987912 (OP)
no one except bulgaria and russia should use cyrillic. it's already bad enough that mongols use it

>>213988315
>Neither is English
Holy larp, good luck using pagan runes nobody can read

>>213988470
Why is poland so catholic and not orthodox or protestant

I hope Ukraine will finally replace their currently used Russian alphabet with Latin, preferably Polish-based, to become a truly Central European civilized advanced culture. Cyrillic just doesn't fit to a nation that aspires to join NATO and RU

Cyrillic doesn't work for Polish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuA_NiP5r-Q

>>213988489
Missing the point entirely award goes to.... The one cunt in the entire Indo-European language family with an orthography and language more retarded than English.

>>213988493
We had a chance to become protestant and our king even considered ditching Vatican and founding the Polish Church following England's example but he died too early.

>>213988559
Interesting poland fact, I didn't know about that. Name of the king?

>>213988599
Zygmunt II August

>>213987912 (OP)
>r/Serbia
lol, explains everything. Cyrillic used to be nearly wiped out during socialism, now it's making a comeback in ordinary life. But Reddit is not a representative example. The politics and subculture of that reddit apply to 5% of the population max.

>>213988493
Poles have a history of loving authority so it makes sense why they loved the pope.

English has more digraphs than Polish.

Polish
>rz
>sz
>dz
>dź
>cz
>ch

English
>qu
>wh
>wr
>rh
>th
>ph
>ps
>pn
>sh
>gh
>ch
>ng

sorry not sorry

>>213988542
Sorry to hear you failed your French classes anon

>>213988646
you forgot mn (mnemonic)

>>213988639
R/Serbia b like
>I just kicked a policeman and he hit me back out of nowhere!!!! Vucic is a bloodthirsty dictator!!!!! NATO pls help!!!!

>>213988684
How did you know? C'est fini, this humiliatión is too much!

>>213987912 (OP)
Reddit is browsed by liberashkas and western feds/paid shills doing shilling

Of course they are fifth columnist sepoys shilling for enemy powers

>>213988358
>Cyrillic was created for Old Church Slavonic lol
what's an old church slavonic?

Btw I love Serbia. I feel like I'm spiritually Serbian just born too far north

>>213988819
good question

>>213988701
Even most of the reddit is against the West at this point actually, they see that EU/NATOBis bankrolling the Vucic regime. This has caused the leftists and the chuds to radicalise even more into their respective ideologies. I don't know why you're baiting and calling the protests Western funded when that couldn't be farther from the case.

>>213987912 (OP)
As a consequence of the decline in Russian soft power influence caused by Monke's controversial map-painting ventures, something similar is happening with Armenia moving closer to the West or the fall of al-Assad.

>>213988873
Ok Ćaci, keep wasting your time in the streets when normal people are busy working or studying.

>>213988401
>It does, you have č and ć, dž and dj
That's what I found on Wikipedia
>Unlike most other Slavic languages such as Russian, there is no palatalized versus non-palatalized (hard–soft) contrast for most consonants
In Russian literally each consonant has the hard variant and the soft variant. That's why the Serbian for "ministers " is миниcтpи, but in Russian it's миниcтpЫ because you use и after soft consonants and Ы after hard consonants. East Slavic languages have a much more, more complicated phonology than South Slavic and West Slavic ones, that's why Cyrillic fits our languages and Latin doesn't. You need to invent half an alphabet again for unnecessary reasons.

TOTAL EU VICTORY INCOMING

TRUST THE PLAN BROS

JUST TWO MORE WEEKS

>>213988939
>Armenia
EU can take Armenia, Georgia, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and all their immigrants.

>>213988987
Just put a ^ on top nigga its not hard

>>213988053
Good post

>>213989030
Extremely kino image

>>213988397
Kosovo is 99% of reason. Serbs like Russia, Iran, North Korea because they are the only ones willing to try to fight Amerikkka. Avg Serbian nationalist is BRICS lover while im israel and china loving white nationalit

>>213987912 (OP)
Yugoslavia forced mini globohomo melting pot "bratstvo i jedinstvo" which goal was to make South Slavs more similar to each other.
Croats had to adopt the language that was closer to Serbian and Bosnian and Serbs took the Croatian (Gaj's) Latin alphabet.

>>213989936
>bratstvo i jedinstvo
Is it a phrase from your language?

>>213987912 (OP)
Cyrillic alphabet is shit and we should convert our language to latin as well

>>213987912 (OP)
Serbs realized Slav alphabet is Gay af

I'm still mad that we were forced to learn Cyrillic in school

>>213991955
Commies tried to make this happen.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latinisation_in_the_Soviet_Union

>>213991955
Latin alphabet is shit and all slavs should convert their languages to cyrillic as well.

>>213992030
Cyrillic alphabet is a derivative of Orthodox Church. And Orthodox = poor
Why do you want to make them even poorer?

>>213992056
>let's become catholics, which will make us rich
Literal cargo-cult.

>>213992093
This is really how it works.

>>213992125
No, it doesn't. The most catholic regions of Ukraine also happen to be the poorest and least developed.

>>213992140
Obsessed with Ukraine award.

>>213992161
Do a famine

>>213987912 (OP)
>russian upset his slaves don't use his currupted byzantine letters

>>213992161
DO A FAMINE!!!

>>213992193
It costs 20 bucks to buy a big mac and a small fry. The only ones experiencing a famine right now are United Statians.

>>213992237
If you use a delivery app maybe. Get off your fat ass and go there in person

>>213987912 (OP)
None may stand against the Light of Trve Rome forever, hivan.
>>213988060
coping greek clumsily defends his ugly creation.

>>213992324
Latin is based on Greek specifically the Western(red) greek script

>>213988493
because catholicism got here (via Czech princess cunny for our duke) before orthodoxy did and stayed for a millenium.
it'd be kind of dumb and pathetic to suddenly change it for no reason after several centuries of tradition

>>213988641
>Poles have a history of loving authority
I fucking wish

>>213992360
I am shitting on katsaps; do not interrupt me, fat

>>213992463
Don't get the Greeks involved in the Russian bashing plz. Otherwise god speed

cyrillic is shit, before the commies reformed russian it was even worse

I wonder if ukies will ever switch to the Latin alphabet. They don't have rich literature unlike Russia, so switching all the 2 books their nation created wouldn't be so tiresome.

>>213993507
They should. The less they understand Russians and less contact with Russia they have, the better. What stops Ukraine from fully developing their identity is their mutual inteligibility with Russian

>>213987986
Kek

>>213988646
Kek it's the schizo who claims polish isnt a Slavic language

>>213988489
Pagan runes came from an italic alphabet used by roman merchants btw

>>213994599
Stay classy, Hyena of Europe.

>>213987912 (OP)
why not use serbian alphabet

>>213987912 (OP)
More convenient for most since you don't have to switch, also Serbs used Latin for hundreds of years.

>>213987966
Also this, plus commies forced it.

>>213987912 (OP)
Western dominance. The Latin alphabet is just more convenient, especially if you use lots of English loanwords.

Same is happening in India, Indonesia, and Lebanon. Your country is going to succumb to it too one day.

>>213987986
Good one

>>213997249
Russians are big enough to avoid that, plus western dominance is going to be a thing of the past in a few decades down the line (already, nobody cares about Europe).

>>213987912 (OP)
latin serbocroation is inoffensive
cyrillic serbicroatian uses useless abomination letters such as the fucking J

>>213997249
>Your country is going to succumb to it too one day
Not going to happen. We have too much literature. Imagine switching all of it into Latin for gay reasons like making the language understandable for foreigners.

>>213987912 (OP)
i don't know

>>213988108
hot

>>213994599
correct, they should

>>213997587
The role of the english language isn't going anywhere. Noone's going to learn fucking chinese or hindi, no matter what BRICS slop you may read online.

>>214001712
English is a horrible language and I would certainly prefer if Chinese replaced it.

>>213998390
>We have too much literature.
...no one reads outside of school (and probably nowadays all students read is just AI-prepared summaries of Dostoyevski and Gogol's books)?

>>213994599
It was really eye opening for me to see them and belarusians flood that stadium with the russian-speaking belarusian "opposition" rapper
People on here will sometimes say we're eastern european or somehow similar to russians, but you'd have better luck looking for a needle in a haystack than finding a pole who would attend such a thing or even listen to it
Their expression of seperateness is moreso focused on acts of defiance than any actual cultural incompatibility. It's fucked.

>>214001758
We know, Zhang.

>>214001794
Leave him be, their main cultural export is 100+ year old literature and soviet union anthem (bass bosted)

easy. the whole world knows how to read latin, including russians. nobody except a few asian shitholes can read cyrilic.

>>214001806
yeah, i had similar thoughts about that
Poles live in their own bubble and we know nothing about Russian popculture, even though it's objectively better than ours solely because of its size (there is statistically more good content) but well, lack of linguistic community doesn't allow us to know about it so we are just not interested and also managed to make ourselves believe that "if we don't consume Russian culture then it means it must be shit" which objectively doesn't need to be true but who cares, we believe that and that gives us a sense of superiority.

but I have no doubt about it - if we spoke Russian at least to the degree we speak English here, we would consume Russian popculture like crazy and in this sense would be probably also more exposed to Russian political influence.

Really, you DON'T want to learn Russian, it's like a drug, at first you only see the positive side but the negative consequences come later to destroy you and you cannot get rid of that easily.

Because it's a BULGARIAN alphabet.

>>213989030
mon Emperor, vghh

>>214001938
I somehow doubt it's any better. Russia barely has anything that breaches it's own bubble and that in itself is a testament to what the culture is.
I don't care about our own negrified rappers and I couldn't name one if I tried, so idgaf about any such russian equivalent.
We're a much smaller country but our output in gaming is way more notable, for example.

>>214001938
>>214001806
also, I noticed that Ukrainian and Belarussian nationalists do a lot of things not for themselves, not out of their genuine internal need, but only to see how Russians will react to this. Like they will speak Russian to each other when they're alone but when a Russian guy appears nearby they suddenly switch to Belarussian/Ukrainian. Or Ukrainians will praise Bandera "because Russians hate it". Not to mention that once they come to Poland they just casually start speaking Russian because Poles cannot distinguish what language they exactly speak and there is no pressure not to use Russian.

I have no doubt, the first day after the peace is signed, a large part, if not most of Ukrainians will return to speaking Russian and consuming Russian content like nothing ever happened.

>>214002118
>I somehow doubt it's any better.
Well, by the sheer size of Russian culture obviously they will have more gems. Also Russian state pumps a lot of money into their media and popculture because they use it as a political tool so Russian stuff is indeed often better technically than ours, you just see more money was spent on that. Before 2022 they showed some Russian soap operas here my mum watched and just from quick look at them you could see a big technical difference between them and similar Polish operas, they just seemed much more professional than ours (similarly with Turkish or Korean soap operas because both states also use their culture as propaganda&influence tools).

>>214001834
I'm not Chinese.

>>214002320
>Russian state pumps a lot of money into their media and popculture
I've yet to see this work anywhere. It's garbage every time.
>Before 2022 they showed some Russian soap operas here my mum watched and just from quick look at them you could see a big technical difference between them and similar Polish operas, they just seemed much more professional than ours (similarly with Turkish or Korean soap operas because both states also use their culture as propaganda&influence tools).
I'm not a 50 year old woman so I don't really care about those. I bet random crap on netflix gets better numbers anyhow.
What russian games are there? Atomic heart? Flavor of the month, remembered 90% for one robot design. World of Tanks? LOL

>>214002453
>I've yet to see this work anywhere.
You don't because Poles are not their main target. Russia primarily targets ex-USSRians because they need to regain their influence there first before they can go further.
>I'm not a 50 year old woman so I don't really care about those
It's just an example, obviously it works like that in many other spheres too.

>>213988084
I see Greeks use Latin alphabet pretty often online tbqh

Cyrillic slavs: true to tradition
Latin slavs: western puppets

>>214004215
that's not fair because some of them never adopted Cyrillic, so it's not traditional for them

>>214001996
why would Bulgaria invent a Russian alphabet? were you part of Russia that time?

>>214004215
But you poles use latin

>>214004352
we need a special military operation to reclaim rightful russian clay.

>>214004980
the Russdogs already colonize our seaside resorts, I'm not letting them have the rest of it

>>214005242
they are selling now since they can't get into the country easily