Thread 214096506

>the Romans killed, raped and enslaved millions in todays' France, Spain, Italy and Balkans
>they're PROUD of it to this day

Imagine being such a cuck. Couldn't be me.

>>214096506 (OP)
We are all rapebabies to some degree.
Your ancestors were raped by Celts and later Germanic invaders.

Romans enthusiasticslly annex every culture they conquered into their own so i guess anyone conquered can claim they are Roman?

>>214096506 (OP)
Romans uplifted all the people they conquered THOUGH

i find it odd how people from the balkans never talk about rome given that a bunch of roman emperors are from there

>>214096588
Cuz they are Slavs and they exterminated the Illyrians in the 7th century

i mean if you're the genetic offspring of that would you identify more with the rapist or the raped?

The original Romans who established the Roman Republic were most related to modern day Spaniards.

>>214096615
Latinxs desperately want to be white so I guess the rapist

>>214096588
Balkan peoples are obsessed with the fake Romans (Byzantine Greeks) that they were usually fighting against and gave them their orthodogs belief system and ugly cyrillic scribbling. Slavs were not around back when the real Romans based in Rome existed so they can't relate to it

>>214096588
Why do you guys still have union jack

>>214096710
The Byzantines were more roman than anything in the west.

>>214096506 (OP)
>millions
Not really. Maybe a few hundred thousand at most. Population of Europe wasn't that high. I think Rome's population was in the millions, and that was absurd for the time.

we wuz romans n shi

>>214096734
haven't gotten to the point where we need to be fully independent yet

>>214096506 (OP)
I still don't get the logic of these memes
It's like they are implying things like Gauls or Dacians exist today and these guys are the ones being proud of that, It's like accusing British Australians of celebrating their conquest by Britain, as if they were the Aborigines.
If anything, the opposite is the true pathetic thing, pretending to be pre-Roman population, unmixed, unchanged, and we have these here, the "unconquered Dacians" schizos.

At most pre-romans like Basques, Greeks and Albanians, could be the ones saying they are less Roman

>>214096827
The French are very proud of having been conquered by the Roman Empire, as opposed to the Germanic barbarians who never submitted.

>>214096837
Anon, the French weren't "conquered" by the Romans. Those were the Gauls and they are extinct.

>>214096855
Extinct? Not really, they just became the conquered under different rulers. No one genocided them.

>>214096506 (OP)
not really every country that was colonized by them hates them

>>214096506 (OP)
My ancestors are Romans so I don't care if others were enslaved or whatever.

>>214096710
>ugly cyrillic scribbling
How to insult Greek, Russian and Latin in 3 words: the post.

>>214096827
Bretagne stronk

>>214099989
WE WUZ CAESARS N SHIEEETT

>>214096506 (OP)
We ruled Roman Empire you chud

>>214100111
What's the problem barbarian?

>>214096506 (OP)
Wait until you hear about the Mongols

It's due to Frank propaganda

The Franks said they were Trojans like the romans and it was punishable by death up to the 18th century to deny they were Trojans

Only when we established a republic were we allowed to criticise Rome

>>214096506 (OP)
Many roman emperors came from Spain and specially the balkans.
Only reason the germans are not more pro roman is that late emperors chudded out and treated germans as subhumans.
The average german warlord at the time genuinely wanted to join from within the roman system.

>>214096506 (OP)
That's how civilization goes forward. We aren't thirdies who will seethe eternally for muh colonization while still profiting from what the evil colonizers brought to them.

We were defeated by the Romans whom latinized the Gauls. We learnt and took plenty from them, and there is no shame in that as this stemmed what would become one of the most influential civilization of the world. Meanwhile, you've kept your barbarian mentality and have failed to produce anything of value to the world. You've kept the violence the Roman empire had, yet always lacked what made the conquered people wish they could one day become a Roman citizen.

>>214096605
The Illyrians did not exist in the 7th century. The people who lived in Dalmatia at that time considered themselves Romans and spoke Latin. It was not genocide but assimilation.

>>214100405
>That's how civilization goes forward
No. That's how one civilization explicitly may advance over others in some way, positively or not.

visigoth pride worldwide

>>214096506 (OP)
I hate all Germans east of the Rhine.

>>214096506 (OP)
the roman ruins in my city are cool though

>>214100524
These niggas got raped by muslims lmao.
Only the Franks are winners.

>>214096562
>annex culture (raping the women, enslaving the men, changing the languages, taking their lands)
>>214100405
>i allow other men to fuck my wife becuas its good for the(ir) GDP/civilization
Grim grim grim

>>214096506 (OP)
there are classical liberal morons in Turkey out of all places who shill rome like that shitty trad west acconut they try to sell roman merch etc i find it extremely embarrassing

>>214100850
Sounds better than shilling fundamentalist islam

>>214100850
not ''classical'' classical liberal but yeah more like neo-liberal and the guy looks like your average roman mutt

>>214100885
>dogshit is worse than catshit
yeah i guess thats true but that doesnt mean that catshit is any good. dont get me wrong i like roma as much as the next cracka but come on man in Turkey?

>>214096506 (OP)
Isn't stuff like Asterix anti roman? Or at the very least celebrating of native cultures? Besides Romans are mostly highly regarded because of how advanced they were and because they inherited much of the Greeks best qualities such as documenting history. Which is why other significant civilizations are often overlooked. The Egyptians, Persians and Babylonians might have been advanced but we simply don't know as much about their societies due to lack of sources this is also probably why they aren't as highly praised as the Romans or Greeks.

>>214100405
To be fair the examples you give of thirdies seething is just recent history. Various native tribesmen might have been just as assmad about the Romans during late antiquity, thirdies haven't exactly had long to overcome their asspaint yet.

>>214100425
>The Illyrians did not exist in the 7th century
Well obviously. They were Latin speaking Romans. But the point I'm making here is that Slavs are both culturally and genetically different from the previous group.
>It was not genocide but assimilation.
While it was not a aimed genocide it still achieved it. The Slavs gained their positions in the region through overwhelming violence and the historical memory of the region was exactly that, when the Slavs invaded cities were sacked, despoiled and people migrated to the coast trying to escape them. The Balkans is the last region of Europe to undergo any serious change in genetics through migration so there clearly was a far greater amount of Slavs coming into the region and just displacing the locals instead of just integration, which as a process in the Caliphates and the West took centuries but did not really occur at all in the Slavic parts of the Balkans.

>>214096506 (OP)
>be me, "Spaniard" (Spain is a fake nation, like all post-Roman states)
>DNA test
>0% iberian, 100% etrusco-celta-latino
JUPITER VULT!
ROMA INVICTA!
ROMA AETERNA!

>>214101598
Brother.

>>214100257
>claim heritage from fictional anime heroes
Wut

>>214101682
Salve, frater in Jove.

How do you think what country raped more?

>>214101201
You literally wrote that the Slavs exterminated the Illyrians. This is simply not true because neither were Illyrians, nor was there extermination. In the first wave of attacks, the Romans fled to the islands or to the hills, but they soon returned to the cities when they realized that nothing would happen to them, and then they mingled with the Croats. When you look at some southern Croats from Dalmatia or Herzegovina, you see that they have Dinaric genes - they are tall, dark-skinned, and have square heads. It is obvious that they are not Slavs, but descendants of Illyrians/Romans. We wuzz Romans and shieeeeeeeeeeeeet.
>>214101284
Kek

>>214102025
The Croatian I’ve seen look 100% Slav

>>214102025
>>214102099
Balkan Slavs are a mixture of OG Slavs and Romanized Illyrians.
>>214101284
Yeah, the Balkans were conquered via ethnic cleansing of Romanized Illyrians. Literally stolen land. Somehow we got away with it while Anglos in North America didn't and are still getting shat on for being colonial settlers.

>>214100290
>>214100524
Fun fact: 4 roman emperors were goths,
>Maximinus Thrax
>his son Verus Maximus
>Galerius Valerius Maximianus
>his nephew Maximinus Daza ("the Last Pharaoh")
Alaric I himself obligated his comrades to called him Flavius Alaricus, he was Magister Militum per Illyricum (only a Roman citizen could be magister) before Rex Gothorum.

By the time of the "fall" of the Western part of the Empire, the "invaders" were already Roman citizens, thanks to the Edict of Caracalla.

>>214102235
>Yeah, the Balkans were conquered via ethnic cleansing of Romanized Illyrians. Literally stolen land. Somehow we got away with it
What did you expect, 7th century UN intervention against crimes of the Slavs? Course we got away with it.

why arbitrarily stop at the Romans? You can go back til the neanderthals or the people migrating out of Africa to larp as whatever you want

>>214102099
Of course, because we are Slavs. For example, the north of Croatia is 100% Slavic. People mostly have blonde hair, blue eyes and fair skin. But in Dalmatia and Herzegovina it is quite mixed because that Roman population survived there and was just assimilated.

>>214096544
>We are all rapebabies to some degree.
Truth.

>>214096506 (OP)
>Couldn't be me
t. Holy Roman Empire

>>214103031
Why you can't adopt a Romance language, like Dalmatian? Or turning the Serbocroatian language in a bridge between the Romance and Slavic languages?

Return to the SPQR, Dalmatianbro.

>>214102942
>why arbitrarily stop at the Romans? You can go back til the neanderthals
We don't have to go back.

>>214100850
>>214100932
As opposed to what? You guys are all Armenian-Greek rapebabies with 15% Central Asian ancestry at best

Croats came at the invitation of Emperor Heraclius, our mission was to defeat the Avars who were a problem for Byzantium. But that area has already experienced a rapid depopulation because before the Croats, the Goths, Lombards, Huns, Avars were ravaging that area... We actually came to create and introduce order because there were too few Romans. The entire population of Salona, once one of the largest cities of the Roman Empire, settled in Diocletian's palace. That's how Split was born. It didn't look like this with 'migrants' today, although at first glance it seems like a good comparison.

>>214103136
That wasn't possible because there were simply too many Croats. But okay, until the mid-19th century the official language in Croatia was Latin.

>>214100045
I’m a big Russian alphabet fan. Only missed opportunity was making Ё not a flipped, pointed to the right version of Э and just an umlaut E.

>>214103273
>tf
>tp

>>214096506 (OP)
Didn't you literal barbarians (as defined by Romans) started Romanlarping after it's fall?
In case you are one of the 9 gorillion Turks in Germany it also applies

>>214096617
I have an asspain surname therefore eramos romanos o algo!!!!

>>214096693
You are brown, Luigi Marronasso Di Marroni

"Romans" wasn't an ethnicity though. It was an empire built on being multi-ethnic. In other words, every ethnicity became a "Roman citizen" equal to each other and the empire relied on this in order for it to work.

Also Germans literally renamed their union after the Romans with the Holy Roman Empire k.e.k.

>>214103273
>>214103610
"Pot calling the kettle black" is a proverbial idiom that means to criticize someone for a fault that the accuser also possesses. It points out hypocrisy, as both the "pot" and the "kettle" (the accuser and the accused) are equally flawed, having become blackened by the smoke and soot from the fire they were both placed over. The expression dates back to at least the 17th century and is a way to highlight that the critic is guilty of the very same thing they are complaining about.

>>214105426
>"Romans" wasn't an ethnicity though.
It was.
>every ethnicity became a "Roman citizen"
Not until the 3th century AD. Roman Republic and Roman Empire was essentially a city state with massive colonial possessions until late antiquity.

>>214102025
>but they soon returned to the cities when they realized that nothing would happen to them
These cities ceased to exist during the 7th century. Nobody was returning to them. Urban society only continued without a major decline on the coast where they were defended by the Byzantine navy.
>When you look at some southern Croats from Dalmatia or Herzegovina, you see that they have Dinaric genes - they are tall, dark-skinned, and have square heads. It is obvious that they are not Slavs
Croats, as well as other Slavs in the Balkans are significantly different from the local population genetically
>>214102361
>Galerius Valerius Maximianus
>his nephew Maximinus Daza ("the Last Pharaoh")
Maximianus was an Illyrian and is only ever referred to as such.
>Alaric I himself obligated his comrades to called him Flavius Alaricus
No he didn't.
> he was Magister Militum per Illyricum (only a Roman citizen could be magister)
Attila was also made as Magister Militum and he was very clearly not a Roman citizen.
>By the time of the "fall" of the Western part of the Empire, the "invaders" were already Roman citizens
The Goths would never become citizens, they were deliberately kept as separate, and the Goths wanted to stay separate from the Romans. Only the Visigoths were ever given settlement as an independent people and they only got it through force and the failure for the Romans to defeat them completely. Theodosius' biggest thorn politically was how dissatisfied people were with how he dealt with the Goths, and so was he. They wanted them gone completely. Other peoples like the Vandals, Seubi and Burgundians never made accommodation with the Romans, they simply invaded and conquered regions without any attempt to even negotiate with Roman authority. They were not citizens, were never recognised as ones and stayed separate from being Roman

>>214096506 (OP)
germoids were so retarded we must to rely on the romans to learn about their history
by the time they overrun the empire, they were 100% romanized

>>214105090
I am personally related to Spanish royalty.

>>214106968
Spanish royalty are all related to white foreigners