Thread 214104637

I earn 4,2k net as non-remarkable office worker at company no one knows

>>214104677
This doesn't include two annual bonuses by the way. I'm also privately ensured and get another couple thousand in refunds because I'm healthy

Germans work 1/3 less hours per year than Americans. Their annual wages aren't that impressive if you think about this.

What i found interesting about staying in America for a long time is their system is basically built on squeezing the financially illiterate and conscientous ”good samaritan” people.

If you know how to abuse creditors, and you have a job with half decent benefits most of the stuff like healthcare, insurance, utilities cost a fraction of what it does in the EU relative to purchasing power

The people who are in a bad spot in the US are always people that would take out 150k USD in blanco loans, or buy a car on finance with 75% interest, these are not serious people.

The benefits for shit like autism are even higher in the US, i know a few people in the north east, and they qualify for like 2k a month, and can apply for shit like food stamps, medicare/medicaid etc and have all that bankrolled too

It’s unironically a european myth that the US is this super capitalist cyberpunk place, even their welfare is more generous than here

>>214104637 (OP)
VPN off HIVan

>>214104677
I'm pretty sure you don't, 25% of people with M.Sc. in mechanical engineering make over 5.8k a month, which is the gross salary.
To get the net you have to deduct 40% as a rule of thumb, leaving them with rough 3.5k net.
https://www.gehalt.de/beruf/maschinenbauer

>>214104717
Moral of the story: Rice cookers are evil

Does anyone make pics in that art style except HIVan?

>>214104795
Wrong link, that was for people with vocational training, this one is for engineers:
https://www.gehalt.de/beruf/maschinenbauingenieur-maschinenbauingenieurin

Interestingly enough there is only a very slight difference.

>>214104733
Germans work to live. Americans live to work.

>>214104637 (OP)
on your german VPN again, HIVan?

>>214104733
40 hours a week is 50 hours a week everywhere, you idiot. What does it help me working a full time job if someone else only works part-time? It doesn't.

>>214104637 (OP)
Literally no one in the Netherlands looks like this soyjak...is this a German stereotype?

>>214104677
>>214104713
You are lying and I have proven this with facts and evidence.
Stats from gehalt.de have much more weight than your supposed anecdotes.

You barely get any refunds from German health insurance companies, maybe 50 EUR for having gotten a flu shot.
You as a healthy person who works out pay for the vacations of overweight, chain smoking boomers (it's called a "Kur").
In the EU it is perfectly normal and even encouraged to take sick days, there aren't refunds for not doing that either.
Protestant work ethic? All but dead in this shithole.

>>214104733
Most intelligent European wallahi we are fuckes ITS OVER.

>>214104970
I regularly get messages by low tier recruiters if I'm interested in jobs paying 80-90k and I don't reply because I wouldn't be better off with them

>>214105049
You don't.

>>214104897
It quite literally isn't. We work 1300 hours a year they work 1900 hours.

>>214105080
Again, because of part time workers (mostly women) you idiot.

There are around 250-260 working days a year.
Minus public holidays and vacation that's around 210-220 days where most people work 8 hours a day.
And it's he same in most other countries
The difference with the USA is maybe 10% less not 30% less

>>214104920
HIVans love this template for whatever reason.

>>214105079
My net salary will be even higher when I switch to Steuerklasse 3, around 5k net per month
My rent is below 1000 and my I have enough savings to buy a house without a loan
Not only in the USA most people are financially illiterate retards. The same applies to Germany

>>214105304
It wasn't really a lie since it's true in your imagination or however the climate neutral kebab is rolled

>>214105343
Me and my wife both vote AfD

>>214104637 (OP)
lmao it do be like that
a few days ago a baltoid couldn't believe how shit the pay was in my neocomunist shithole
alas the average retard here is so brainwashed nothing will ever change

>>214105393
Ah so that is why you defend this dystopic shithole, out of nationalism.
Germany is dead, it died 80 years ago and no zogged party like the AfD will bring it back from the dead.
No, what that would take is to admit that the current system has no future and needs to be replaced for good.
Keep believing that the rest of the world isn't overtaking Europe year after year, maybe that will make it true.

>>214105478
This isn't even what I'm arguing
You were claiming head of engineering earns 2500 which is false

>>214105511
It's a meme lol
That being said I provided you with the stats.
The best quarter of mechanical engineers in Germany makes 5.8k a month, gross.
The net is tied to many factors like your number of children, if you are married, where you live etc.
As a rule of thumb 40% works well enough, leaving them with 3.5k a month.
All for an education which lasted 17 to 18 years where they didn't earn a dime.

https://www.gehalt.de/beruf/maschinenbauingenieur-maschinenbauingenieurin

>>214105614
Still seems too low but more realistic

Also taxable income isn't the same as gross income

>>214105391
lol

>>214105614
why focus on mechanical engineers? pretty sure people in IT and finance make more

>>214105738
Because mechanical engineering has been Germany's strong suit historically.

>IT
The median is lower actually.
https://www.gehalt.de/einkommen/suche/master%20informatik

While only 25% of mechanical engineers make less than 3.5k gross for people with a M.Sc. in computer science it looks different, 25% of people make 2.5k gross or less.

>>214104780
Based and cool I love russia so much

>>214105738
Also have a look at what this guy said, it's happening all over Europe. >>214105456

>>214104677
>I earn 4,2k net as non-remarkable office worker at company no one knows
Man, that much of money will put you in top 1% of earners in this shithole. I doubt even Keir Starmer earns that much of money

>>214105846
Correction: 4.5k gross for mech engineering, 3.5k gross for CS

>>214105738
>>214105894

>>214105846
that seems surprisingly low desu although still much higher than here but thats expected
i looked up hays salary guide, you have to divide these by 400

>>214105977
The problem is, there are no jobs. What you're doing is like flexing on other countries with prime minister salary at this point. But there's only one position available for prime minister and obviously 99.9999% of people won't be able to get into that position

I'm walking on a treadmill in my home by the way while posting here. In 10 minutes I will be done with 300 calories burned and close the 4chan session for today. The rest of the day will be basically reading and learning and I'm looking forward to Monday because I like my job

>>214106043
software people definitely win here

>>214106043
You can't become an engineer anymore. Chstgpt, AI and outsourcing made those jobs obsolete. It's so pointless for you guys to compare salaries for a position that no longer exist

>>214106136
or whatever this is. i dont know know what the fuck actuary is

>>214105614
>>214105846
Why use some random website instead of offical goverment sources?

>it's some guy saying that X is shit because of Y
>quick let's call him a shill
This retarded place is no better than no some fucking reddit lol

>>214106136
>software people
It's no longer 2021/2022. Those jobs are all reserved for nepo hires, as each single engineering/developer role nowadays receive 500 applicants within 2 hours

>>214106136
It's mich above average basically everywhere except western/Northern Europe because wages outside the USA are almost globally the same and western Europe is the region with the highest average wages outside of it. Relative to the country's average it's basically the worst place which makes IT an only propaganda favorite

>>214106033
Im a CS graduate and this seems very similar to Germany. Maybe you get 100 euro more in net salary here but its not as great as the other german anon claims. Also you have to find a job first. I am unemployed.

>>214106191
no, no one is losing jobs because of ai, american companies are just pouring literally tens if not hundreds of billions into AI capex so they fire people to calm the investors and re-hire h1bs. just look at what microsoft has done recently. people not getting hired because of AI is corporate bullshit they are trying to save their money sink as they cannot make it profitable yet

>>214106199
You can't become a quant modeller, unless your parents know executive managers. It's so pointless for you to bribg those wages as a flex material. Average citizen will never be able to get ibto these positions no matter how knpwledgable or experienced they are

>>214106280
>yet
Sure

>>214106270
i was agreeing with the OP that socialism ruined western countries and giving an exemple to the incredulous hungarian not saying that france or xyz was better

>>214106199
how do i get into the construction industry and why are they getting paid these numbers

>>214106270
>Im a CS graduate
So what you're doing nowadays? Fighting for a homeless shelter with a philosophy graduate?

>>214106280
>>214106311
Pro move is buying apple and Netflix stock because they bought like 1-10% as much gpus as the other "magnificent seven" and we're paradoxically punished for it in the stock market. A very clear market inefficiency that will be corrected and even reversed in the coming years when every major company runs their own on premise inhouse AI on open source models

At least you have jobs

>>214106280
I wish you were right. Unlike metaverse or blockchain, AI is really not a slop and quite profitable. I know buttload of people whose lost their job because of AI and automation. Also, those unemployment statistics started to hike up exactly after January 2023, the same time when chatgpt released

>>214106306
its a pointless discussion because your cunt with london has obviously a much more competitive industries with much higher salaries and bonuses but also you have to compete with people from oxford, etc.
here the job market is more local. i know a guy who grew up in a village who works at a quant company here. he had to go through 6 round interview though

>>214106323
>socialism ruined western countries
The same socialism will save your asses from mass-unemployment because of AI. Look what's happening in the US. A few people earn $200.000 a yeae and other were laid of for 2-3 years and lost their hope. They won't be able to find a ehite collar job ever again due to automation

>>214106373
Well, they won't if they elect chuds and give up on socialist regulated governments. Chuds are fully support automation and late stage capitalism and unfortunately that's what those retarded right wings do also support

>>214106436
>The same socialism will save your asses from mass-unemployment
the famed british banter

>>214106403
>you have to compete with people from oxford
More like I have to compete with a spoiled brat whose LSE dropout and goes on coco parties every single weekend and will likely to get the job, as his grandfather and fsther was working in the same company in city of london

>>214106487
Go ahead and choose le pen if you really want your richies to get richier in return of stronger employer rights and scrapped free healthcare & benefits

>>214106578
>Marxine le pen
>right wing
oh my...

>>214106658
Very edgy of you, bootlicker

>>214104637 (OP)
I look like this and I say this

>>214105894
Not really IT guys here make 2609 (305805 dinars) euro net a month
> Računarsko programiranje, konsultantske i s tim povezane delatnosti 416136 408424 98.7 106.8 305805 299262 98.5 106.7

>>214106716
>bootlicker
>from the state and and mega corporation aproved ideology
kek

god the ukraine war can't end soon enough
I'M SO TIRED OF YOU FUCKERS DAILY BAITING EACH OTHER HERE WHAT DO YOU HOPE YOU ACCOMPLISH? WHAT IS THE FUCKING POINT

>>214107094
please understand he is a proud patriot from the ukroine fighting from away

>>214106270
>cs
makes sense, all the bitching is from you codemonkeys that think the country owes you 100k a month for studying 4 years at best

>>214107094
I'm pretty sure, it will not stop even after everything ends.

>>214106355
Apples does not believe in AGI. They released a research paper not so long ago
https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/illusion-of-thinking

>>214107000
>Not really IT guys here make 2609 (305805 dinars) euro net a month
It's very surprising that those jobs in serbia haven't taken over by AI or outsourced to India or Turkey or Nigeria yet

>>214107510
You shouldn't underestimate Russia. They contributed to science a lot during and after USSR times

>>214107515
this is such a faulty logic, by this thinking in countries with high labour expanses like switzerland everyone would be unemployed and everything would be done in india

>>214107094
50% of all posts on this board are just ukrainians and russians arguing in different countries

>>214107579
That's exactly what's happening in the UK. Our youth unemployment's around 20-25% and companies receive 500 application for one engineering/developer position.

I'm actually quite a bit surprised that Europe's still like pre-AI (2021-2022) era

>>214107656
That sounds like kohlchan rather than /int/

>>214107094
>>214107117
>>214107656
quite curious that THESE are the posts getting deleted

>>214107771
yeah i got a warning for politics for complaining about a guy spamming politics lol
someone should send this mod to the frontlines

>>214107771
I believe such threads are curated by jannies, especially with the spammer.
Usually spammer never gets banned and the thread never gets deleted. But his posts don't bump the threads.

>>214107798
same

>>214107771
Lmao I got warned for this, not sure what rule I broke

>>214107771
Some janny has been off his meds these past couple days. So many people banned/warned and threads moved or deleted for no reason.

>>214105614
>>214105846
>Stepstone
You have lost all credibility

>>214108167
It's not janny. They're automating the janny system

It feels good having an adult job paying adult money. I also have le hecking medical insurance and this check is after that those deductions

>>214108629
This

Hohols flooded the thread with their misery

>>214108629
OP never mentioned neither russia or ukraine, these people are pathetic.

>>214104717
Just don't have babies, duh