Thread 214134065

He tried making Turkey a white, secular, European nation. Did he succeed?

>>214134065 (OP)
He did it because he commited a coup and needed a justification for it. Notice that other than some surface cosmetic changes, Turkey simply exchanged the Sultan with a President. He still commited genocides and waged wars just like the Ottomans.

>>214134065 (OP)
Too early to tell
>>214134556
>He still commited genocides and waged wars just like the Ottomans.
where did he commit genocides and which war you are a fucking moron

>>214134065 (OP)
I wonder when brown people are going to understand that you’re not wanted.

>>214134065 (OP)
>>214134556
do southeast asian muslims look up to turkey?

He should have resigned after Turkey's independance

>>214134632
stop hating your moluccan genes

>>214134065 (OP)
>white
he didn't care about skin color. it was about creating a nation and he did. society is getting secular each year so his revolution goes on.

>>214134675
They are cosplaying arabs and turks, they are trying to emulate everything because they don't have a culture of their own

>>214134065 (OP)
Kemal laknat his grave is smelly because Allah cursed him even in death

This one >>214134751 goes here too >>214134738

>>214134065 (OP)
No, muslims fucked our country

>>214134738
are you a turkish immigrant in japan?

>>214134679
I disagree, hes one of the biggest people in the 20th century and for a good reason. Turkey was a shining beacon of hope for the colonized nations there were Kemalist parties in post-colonial africa i think, plus his reforms are what brought Turkey up from the ashes without those reforms Turkey would've been another shithole like iraq or syria. People don't understand how great of a mind he was, just look at the state of Turkey post-ww1 and look up his involvement in the gallippoli campaign.
>>214134720
true, i dont even know any muslims anymore other than old people

>>214134803
If I were t*rkish I'd rather kill myself

>>214134065 (OP)
Unfortunately, the kemalists cocooned themselves in their elitist little world in the western part and did not try to civilize the hinterland. This hinterland marinated in its own juice, and after (((democratization))) voted in accordance with its own backward worldview.

>>214134593
Smirna whatever happened there

>>214134065 (OP)
>He tried making Turkey a white, secular, European nation. Did he succeed?
>white
No, he tried Turkifying, expelling or exterminating everyone in the areas he controlled, and he was remarkably successful given 'Turks' are a fake ethnicity to begin with. Obviously in the long run the Kurds and Arabs are outbreeding the 'Turks' but that's besides the point.
>secular
He didn't succeed in this thanks to the inherent qualities of Islam and the watermelon salesman. At best you could say he succeeded temporarily, though.
>European
He didn't succeed in this either, thanks to the previous two points.

>>214134836
why do you hate turks so much?
isn't turkey a well-liked country in japan?

His mistake was including the brown people in central and eastern Anatolia. He should have created an ethnostate of western Turks.

>>214134865
scorched earth by greeks or fire caused by Turks, whatever the case its not a genocide its fucking war. do you really think that his former greek enemies would nominate him for the nobel peace prize if he genocided greeks?
>>214134922
He wasn't racist like that, just nationalistic. I sometimes wodner what would've happened if he was more radical though, especially regarding Islam

>>214134895
>isn't turkey a well-liked country in japan?
Where did you hear THAT thing? There are only few who are aware that Turkey exists. Japanese people are pretty self-isolated and to them every white person is an American and every brown person is either a jeet or some Arab.
>hate turks
I don't care. It was just a joke.

>>214134895
hes probably kurd

>>214134953
>There are only few who are aware that Turkey exists
thats a surprise i thought that japanese and koreans liked turks and vice versa

>>214134956
I don't think those animals have access to the Internet, let alone speaking English.

>>214134804
>true, i dont even know any muslims anymore other than old people

>>214134973
How do you imagine this happening? I doubt the average Takeshi cares about Turkey or any other country if that isn't China, Korea or the USA.

>>214134973
at least in Japan kurds have already ruined the reputation of Turks like they did in western Europe

Turkey is going to be paki tier islamist nation once again, they will not hesitate to fuck a guy tho.

>>214134997
literal whos, these morons show up once in a while but your average Turkish teen doesn't believe in Islam and even if he does he doesn't give a shit which is a surprise since Turks in europe tend to be very religious for some reason. i despise them

>>214135016
Yeah thanks to k*rds Japs now hate brownies just in general.

>>214135047
>>214135016
literally a few thousand kurds caused the japanese to hate kurds. imagine living with millions of them, slowly watching them emigrate to your city. they kill people in the streets withour punishment or very light punishment because they make their children do the killing and they cherish them for being in prison

>>214134593
Dersim
>>214134556
Secular dictators until ISIS were way more blood thirsty than Muslims. Most Muslim rulers didn't care about the people as long as they paid the jizya. Rape and pillage only started in the Ottoman Empire in the 19th when the central goverment had become too weak. But that happens in every empire. We should hate Islam, because it denies Christ. Islam is fundamentally used to be about tribal nomads Larping as jews. You don't necessarily murder the subjects that you want to enslave.

>>214135080
>literally a few thousand kurds caused the japanese to hate kurds
True
>imagine living with millions of them
They also breed like rats, indeed.

>abolished the Caliphate
>persecuted ulamas
>banned madrasah (Islamic school)
he's undeniably a great man with great deeds, even if he's bad
also some say he's a jew pretending to be a muslim, but who knows

>>214135016
>SAAAAAR ITZ DA KURDISH ZAINJIHIS

>>214135090
>Dersim
wasn't a genocide. fundamentalist rebellion. they should be thankful, they got off easy for what they did. you can't put down a rebellion with a velvet glove
>>214135134
yep, the streets are extremely dangerous especially where i live. they formed a shitton of gangs and are terrorising the streets. people are getting radicalised because of it

They will fix Turkey

>>214135047
What do japs consider white? I have very pale skin but not blond or blue eyed. Can I call myself 白人 in Japan?

>>214134593
>where did he commit genocides
Dersim + Greek/Armenian/Cypriot genocide

>>214135150
>also some say he's a jew pretending to be a muslim, but who knows
a literal madman says that and his rabble of stupid ass muslims believe that. another claim made by the same guy was Shakespeare being a secret muslim named sheikh-pir

>>214135167
>yep, the streets are extremely dangerous especially where i live. they formed a shitton of gangs and are terrorising the streets. people are getting radicalised because of it
I thought you guys live under the authoritarian rule, why not line them up against the wall and do the needful? I understand why euroretards are dying out under their femoid leadership but what's up with you guys?

>>214135047
VPN off t*rkjeet

>>214134956
>>214134973
>>214134953
there is a meme
turkey is liked by south korea and japan for reason

>>214135191
>Greek/Armenian/Cypriot
cypriot? Cyprus wasn't even Ottoman land back then, plus driving back settlers trying to reclaim ''ancestral land'' isn't genocide. Were there deaths? Sure its war. Was it a systematic genocide? no. Do you really think that Greece would be cordial with Turkey if Turkey really genocided greeks? Plus there was a population exchange between Greece and Turkey which is why we have less greeks now

>>214135190
>What do japs consider white?
Everybody who isn't brown or black or asian.
>have very pale skin but not blond or blue eyed
Yeah, that will do. You are American now.
>>214135222
Google the news at least. The rats commit shittons of crime and harass women. One of those roaches was deported recently and while he was being deported he threatened to kill the officers.

>>214135224
I heard Koreans and Japanese sluts are very easy for Turkish BVLLs. Can I come and fuck your girls as well as a Turk?

>>214134593
>Too early
come on nigga almost a century is about to pass, while we got soicuck lehru it's baffling none the less that you had to settle for much less territories that you actually controlled and fought a war to retain even that

>>214135222
>>214135162
t. Murat Elçi

>>214134974
Oh you poor summerchild.
Kurds are like bacteria. They're everywhere. These low lifes can't accomplish anything in real life, so they shit on their views on the internet.

Protip to japan: deport them, mass murder them by hanging to trees at fuji mountain jungles.

>>214135263
Just accept that you committed genocide against your christian genetic siblings. Islamic essence turned you an abomination. Otherwise you're genetically identical to Iranians/Greeks/Armenians/Kurds

>>214135216
>I thought you guys live under the authoritarian rule, why not line them up against the wall and do the needful
Turkey is a kleptocracy, ruled by the least fit to rule who only care about their own pockets they wouldn't do anything that will benefit the populace. Plus the gangs are usually in better-off parts of Turkey, ie not shitholes ie have required brain matter to not vote for AKP so they don't care either way. Plus the gangs are most likely affiliated with some high ranking AKP bureaucrat

>>214135310
How do a nippon tell apart whose Kurd and whose Turk? You're genetically identical.

Secular Turk = Kurd or islamist Kurd = Turk

>>214135306
>it's baffling none the less that you had to settle for much less territories that you actually controlled and fought a war to retain even that
If modern Turkey kept hold of the Levantine or Arab lands it would be 100000x worse than it is today, no question

>>214135283
i heard the same thing korean men are popular in turkey

>>214135315
my great great grandparents were literal nomads not a lot of oppurtunities to racemix. plus im not trying to protect my nation or anything i wouldn't care if Turkey committed genocide during its creation but i just think thats false and illogical that Turkey committed genocide
>>214135306
our retained terriotries were the Turkish homeland whereas others were more other vilayets
>>214135349
its extremely easy tb h you can do it pretty easily

>>214135376
Probably true, MENA women love kdrama

>>214135326
>>214135388
You turks really need to stop larping as central asian apes and embrace your hittite/urartuian ancestors. Internalized racism and inferiority complex against whites and east asians make you look like jeets on Europeans eyes

he did the most important thing a muslim country must do, namely to detach itself from islam

you don't understand how retarded sharia jurisprudence is because what you get nowadays is the modernized, distilled version of it (muslims won't admit it though)

it's basically the arabic version of the talmud with its own crazy rulings from the middle ages, which you can't question at all because "who are you compared to the great scholars of the past?" and so on

>>214135388
you need to kiss my white ass a little bit more so that maybe, maybe we might consider you as houseniggers eventually

>>214135408
>You turks really need to stop larping as central asian apes and embrace your hittite/urartuian ancestors
some do, i just find it stupid to larp as something im not, my great great great grandparents were literally nomads im not shitting you, they were forcibly settled

>>214135283
I have never seen a Turk lust after an asian woman. In high school my friends made fun of me for watching jav

>>214134065 (OP)
>tried to turn Turkey into a white secular nation
>still use Turkish instead of a white language
Yeee... I wonder why he failed.

Here is a kino rap battle between a Kurd and a Turk in which they eventually squash the beef

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B2bBp93zvMA&pp=ygUZRGV1dHNjaHJhcCBrdXJkZSB2cyB0dXJrZdIHCQmtCQGHKiGM7w%3D%3D

>>214135435
>you need to kiss my white ass a little bit more so that maybe, maybe we might consider you as houseniggers eventually
another 5 billion pakis just arrived at london

>>214135463
It didn't stop finns and hungarians

>>214135388
So tell me, is this a turk or kurd?

>>214134593
Proof that Russia is a disgusting nation that's never done any good in its life: It held back the Balkan nations after their unexpected success in the first Balkan war from marching into Istanbul and leveling that city to the ground, then chasing every last Turk back to the Sogdian shithold they came from.
>Inb4 muh Crimean war!!! The Brits would've never stood for it.
Fuck them. Not having Turks would've been a massive boon to the world, losing another war against the bongs would've been a worthy sacrifice for such a noble cause

>>214134065 (OP)
that's not true
you are right with secular but it's the opposite for white and european
i don't even know why this is such a common thing foreigners say about atatürk

>>214135552
you are literally racially inferior colonized people
why are you even talking

>>214135551
Turk from central anatolia

Are Turkjeets still doing the “saaar, every brown, dumb or criminal turk is actually kurd” cope as if we don’t the shitskin barbarity they engaged in Europe for centuries lol. Literally exact same thing as Indians blaming Pakis, Italians blaming Sicilians, and Mexicans blaming Central Americans. You’re all the same shit.

>>214135623
Well, you turds look no better than an aberage jeet and still rant about kurds and claim yourselves as balkan for some reason. You're genetically closer to Indus valley than average greek that lives in greek island

>>214135620
Because at least I'm not a Turk.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6%C3%A7ek

>"Men would allegedly go wild, breaking their glasses, shouting themselves voiceless, or fighting and sometimes killing each other vying for the opportunity to rape, molest, or otherwise force the children into sexual servitude"
>"Köçeks were much more sought after than the çengi ("belly dancers"), their female counterparts. Some youths were known to have been killed by the çengi, who were extremely jealous of men's attention toward the boys"

You're never ever getting Al-Hijaz or Arabia or even Egypt back ever again. Best thing the ummah has ever done was expelling you cretins far far away. Although the entente didn't want to finish the job and wipe you out as you deserve.

>>214135717
I said central anatolia.

>>214135499
>Finns
Albino mongols.
>Hungarians
Gypsies that speak an altaic language.

Neither are white people and their languages sound awful.

>>214135554
atatürks ideas were clearly based on european ideas, especially french enlightment
and that was a good thing

>>214135813
>literally speaks an Italian-Arabic creole universally associated with poverty and third world slums

Wouldn’t be talking if I were you, eurobeaner

>>214135774
>nationalist turk from heart of anatolia
>SAAAR HE'S NOT A REAL TURK LIKE MEEE SAAAAAAR HE'S ACTUALLY CENTRAL ANATOLIAN ZAINIJHI

>>214135349
Oi cunt i see you type comments directly sourcing to your bum. Show loicense.

>>214135845
Central anatolians are peasants. Real Turks are muhajirs and people who are native to western anatolia. I hate everybody east of ankara

>>214135845
The Whitest people in Turkey are Greeks, Bulgarians, Albanians, Chechens and Circassians. They worship them like gods and use them in all their soap operas, even though in Western Europe Bulgarians and Albanians are seen as brownoid poorfags and criminals, Greeks are seen as lazy swarthoids and Circassians and Chechens are seen as violent, primitive Churka nigs in Russia. That’s how big of a swarthy third world shithole Turkey is, when the people they put on a pedestal are seen as subhuman elsewhere. Kinda like Indians viewing Afghans and North Indians as deities.

biji KURDistan biji serok APO biji GERİLLA biji PKK
https://youtu.be/c_24niSrDGw?si=hj4gTUVryhCRLq35

>>214134065 (OP)
Turkey would have been unimaginably better off if he just let go of Southeastern Anatoila and shut the border desu

>>214135932
>>214135932
this sounds unbelievably armenian

>>214135987
It would have been like Bulgaria or North Macedonia, at best. Still a shithole. They’re too shitskinned and non western European to build a functional country.

>>214135903
Here is a famous quote from a Turkish politician. Anatolians are just a bunch of peasants that had no power until Erdogan took over the country. They are better than kurds but still shit

>>214136024
Bulgaria is pretty nice
The only major problem is the mafia state they inherited from communists

>>214135551
Central Anatolian Turk with very hittite features
>>214135724
>You're never ever getting Al-Hijaz or Arabia or even Egypt back ever again
good fucking riddance last thing we need is more arabs lmao
>>214136087
a sad reality Turkey really needed elitism and it needs elitism yet again, the military was a good balancing force.
>>214135903
Even Yoruks and Turkmens..?

>>214134065 (OP)
Feels good knowing the “people” who committed so many atrocities in my homeland and to my ancestors are being replaced, their country is being destroyed and there’s nothing they can do about it. I’m enjoying every second of it. Justice and karma do exist.

oh nooo he's upset reporting left and right
Hahahahahahaah

>>214136302
nope you are losing even armenia lmao no such thing as karma and justice. you tried to replace us too how lest you forgot. im assuming that you are an armenian

>>214135080
Slaw choni
Nice corsair flag man

>>214136341
I’m a Greek Cypriot (but one of my grandparents was a Maronite) Enjoy your Kurds and Arabs, (soon to be Pajeets and Africans) and below replacement fertility rate, subhuman mongrel.

>>214136378
you do realize that your average greek doesn't give a fuck about those shits right only diaspora faggots like you feel vengeful, i've talked to lots of greeks from greece no one cares.
>subhuman mongrel
and what does that make you? you lived under Turkish rule for centuries and we beat you twice in the last century alone

>>214136263
>Central Anatolian Turk with very hittite features
See, you also admit turks are genetically hittites

>Turkey really needed elitism and it needs elitism yet again
Bruh what elitism you're talking about turkey's literally a middle easterner shithole country

>>214136087
>Anatolians are just a bunch of peasants
But turds claim anatolians does not exist?

>>214135903
>SAAAAR REAL TURKS ARE ANATOLIANS RACIALLY INTERMIXED WITH WHITES SAAAAAAR

>>214136438
>See, you also admit turks are genetically hittites
There are people who are genetically closer to anatolians like no shit im just saying that calling people ''non-turk'' because they mixed with the locals is dumb. There are also a lot of genetically Turks as well, especially those who settled jsut a few generations ago.
>Bruh what elitism you're talking about turkey's literally a middle easterner shithole country
are you fucking illiterate go read some shit you dumb fucking moron and here i am trying to explain some basic concepts to you

>>214136421
I’m from Cyprus, not Greece. We still hate you and have not forgotten. 1974 was not that long ago. Stop responding to me, dicklet Arab Gypsy monkey rapebaby.

>>214136510
which one lmaooo

>>214136510
>I’m from Cyprus
No, you're not.

>>214136263
How does it feel to have lost your "empire" (empire of fighting over the right to rape young boys) to a bunch of mountain sheepshagger Bulgarians and Serbs while having an army that Germany basically made from the ground up for you? Your cousins, the Azeris, are continuing the time honored Turk tradition of being a cowardly bitch that grovels to suck off the strongest guy around by having contributed 60% of Israel's fuel needs through the Gaza war, and get most of their imported weapons and ammo from them, and didn't even dare denounce what Israel's doing as a genocide lest their masters stop giving them precious shekels (the only Muslim nation to not have done this). All the while Turkey watches on and endorses this while acting like they're "allies" of the Ummah. Remember when the first Zionists came over to Palestine? You didn't do shit even when you saw that Israel Shochat and his wife were hiding weapons to use on the locals, but woe betide a Kurd, your Muslim brother, get weapons to defend himself or want independence! Drop 100K bombs on their children, immediately.

If you didn't want the Arabs why would you spend so much money on getting Al-Shar'a into power and intervene in our affairs since your vile nation was created a century ago?

>>214136507
I visited turdGAY and every single one of you were looking like gypsies. Both genetically turk ones and non turk anatolians look brown

>>214136601
>>214136617
turks are arabs in denial, how many times do we need to go over this

>>214136601
turkey shouldn't even align with the arab and muslim world lmao plus sorry lil bro, people might die yes thats sad i wish that didn't happen but realpolitik chads always come out on top. Plus why would i care about a lost empire my ancestors literally rebelled against it countless times. plus why would i care if someones a muslim or not i ain't a muslim and kurds aint getting their country end of story
>>214136617
t. paki
>>214136634
did you know that the amount of war material Turkey has on cyprus can destroy the island itself? ever been to the north anon?

>>214136634
I think mehmets are the most insufferable brown race on earth, even more than pakis. They're still coping with all that evidence proves how hated they are by everyone and they keep immigrating to White territories no matter what like this one: >>214136008

>>214136732
nah, pajeets are still worse but Arabs (turks included) are definitely the runner up

>>214136634
literally visible from the southern border. did you know that we were halted our advance simply because we conquered enough? we could've steamrolled your whole island
>>214136732
yep found the armenian

>>214136701
Fuck off mohammet yabhqu

>>214136772
>anyone who burns my brown ass must be an Armenian

>>214136777
the odds of you being muhammed is much higher considering the most popular name in your country whereas my name is old turkic

>look Arab
>smell Arab
>act Arab
>eat Arab food
>have Arab names
>have Arab culture
>listen to Arab style music
>follow Arab religion
>pray in Arabic
>worship an Arab man
>killed people to spread the Arab religion
>tried to prevent Sweden from entering NATO because they burned their Arab holy book
>have the Arab symbol on their flag
>poor
>inbred
>third world
>violent
>low IQ
>manlets
>hook nosed
>ugly
>hairy
>invading Europe
>hate the West
>hate Europe and Europeans
>hate Christianity

Turks are Arabs in denial. Always were, always will be.

>>214136805
New update?

>>214136805
don't act up now you know what happens when you do anon

>>214136732
>They're still coping with all that evidence proves how hated they are by everyone and they keep immigrating to White territories no matter what like this one:
what are you on about you freak

>>214136831
>>214136836
you're brown.

>>214136871
post skin

>>214134065 (OP)
He proved that the main issue is turks. You can’t fix subhumans.

>>214136701
>turkey shouldn't even align with the arab and muslim world lmao
>last thing we need is more Arabs lmao
You don't want anything to do with us and yet you try everything to meddle in our affairs. Turkish intellect on display.
>people might die yes thats sad i wish that didn't happen but realpolitik chads always come out on top.
Sadly your people didn't because the "international community" (Anglo world and Western europe) are pussies and didn't want to finsih the job. Shit if they had given us guns we might've even done it for them for free.
>Plus why would i care about a lost empire my ancestors literally rebelled against it countless times.
>you lived under Turkish rule for centuries and we beat you twice in the last century alone
Turkish intellect on display yet again.

>Plus why would i care if someones a muslim or not i ain't a muslim and kurds aint getting their country end of story
Willingly to bomb my brothers for wanting a state but i would NEVER even contemplate touching the Zionist settlers who are hiding weapons or even arresting them. I'm also totally a part of the Ummah guys! Let us into Syria!
T. Turk
Notice how you didn't respond to what the Azeris are doing? Truly the greatest allies the Ummah has ever had. If only the West could've let go of their disagreements about the Dardanelles and let the Bulgarians and Russians, or even let the Hashemites sort you out. But life isn't fair unfortunately.

>>214136971
Ma 9lt ila al7a9

My wife is a central anatolian with half kurdish ancestry.
How will this affect my childrens genetics?

>>214136924
>my med brother...

>>214137283
at least she’s not East Asian, Indian or black, so they’ll probably end up passing for Portuguese, or just be slightly darker/hairier

>>214134065 (OP)
He did make Turks that, he just didnt know that it will happen in Germany.

>be dying shithole empire
>get ONE blue eyed blond
>has his country come out on top against all odds
>does about 100 reforms
>dies
>country immediately goes back to shithole
Pure coincidence

>>214134065 (OP)
actually he wanted to make it a franco-judaic state and no he didn't succeed he failed miserably and now erdogan is restoring the caliphate

>>214139167
Fuck france but he shouldve succeeded

>>214137092
again the notion of israel doesn't bother me only the bombing/starving civilians bothers me other than that idc and why are you still here lmao i went out drank like shit then came back

>>214138503
>against all odds
We supported Turkey and gave them everything they needed to industrialize. the retaking of constantipole has no value in evangelical christianity and we needed to remove the caliphs position to properly create the jewish state. We could have easily let Churchill relegate the turks to a region near the black sea but decided against allying with greeks and various orthodox elements who were anti-zionist. Turkey became one of the first countries to recognize Israel and is currently a member of NATO to help protect our interests if Turks were to ever betray America. Istanbul would get the Bagdad carpet bombing treatment and their entire civilization would be annihilated within a year with a bunch of leftists clinging to before and after photos of rubble

>>214134836
kek ricecel speaks, go eat your pathetic plate of sushi retard

>>214134065 (OP)
He could have done every good thing he did without being a self hating faggot. Turkey has been in an perpetual identity crisis because he tried impose european culture on an asian people.

Did you know that Turks are such wyte worshiping faggots that they literally came up with a song titled "my blue eyes, my blond hair" so they could kowtow to their wyte Effendi prophet Ataturk?