Thread 214161370

Is he right?

>>214161370 (OP)
yes

>>214161370 (OP)
yes

>>214161370 (OP)
I’m not sure but now I want to give money to Israel.

>>214161370 (OP)
True which is why I don't have a problem with incest in and of itself.

>>214161370 (OP)
I'm not sure but now I want to fuck my sister.

>>214161370 (OP)
>Malaysian FREAK at it again

>>214161370 (OP)
Based Prager Jew

>>214161370 (OP)
No, having children with your sister will definitely produce a retard

>>214161370 (OP)
why are american conservatives so unhinged? This summer they turned out both for pedophilia and incest wtf

>>214161593
Okay how about this. If God doesn't exist and you know 100% the sex WILL NOT result in pregnancy tell me why incest is bad.

>>214161370 (OP)
They allow sodomy without a care for the consequences why not incest be allowed. Not that i care to partake in any such degeneracy

>>214161415
Based. All power to Israel

>>214161370 (OP)
One of the theories of how hominids became intelligent 2 million years ago is that we simply stopped sibling inbreeding.

>>214161690
It ruins family dynamics, it's also a very infantile thing to do (instead of dating other people which IS hard, you fuck your sister which is easy and safe (the same reason cousin marriage exists))
I don't care otherwise, want to fuck your sister go for it, just don't advocate for it as if it was the right thing to do

>>214161619
What’s funnier is they’re allowing PraguerU videos to be used as official educational material in their schools.

>>214161753
>It ruins family dynamics
What if their parents are dead and they're the only surviving family members and neither plan on having kids in the future.

>>214161793
PBS was spreading the woke agenda of teaching kids math and good manners. They need to be taught that Columbus was a redpilled culture warrior and that incest is ackshually good mkay

>>214161802
as I said to you it's an infantile thing to do, you compensate your fear of other people (for whatever reasons) and regress to the point of dating your sister (something familiar and A SAFE OPTION)
Maybe it's not as apparent in sister/brother dynamics but you can clearly see this is mother/son, father/daughter dynamics, they exist not because two persons love each other, they exist as a compensation against failing in traditional dating (same thing for regressed pedophiles, they are not normally attracted to children but given the opportunity they will do it, BECAUSE they failed to attract women on their level)

>>214161923
Now you're making a bunch of retarded assumptions that aren't necessarily true. Even your "It fucks up family dynamics" isn't necessarily true. Without god incest is just amoral.

PragerU graduate here, yes, we learned that in SEXED 11A

>>214161802
it's fine if both consent, but they can't consent to being asked for consent.

>>214161945
Okay how are they retarded?, even without incest is bad because it produces a bad offspring trope, incest would have still been a taboo because it is unhealthy on a psychological level

>>214161973
> because it is unhealthy on a psychological level
How? You're just assuming that it is for some reason. Would you fuck your cousin? I wouldn't. But in a lot of cultures that's totally normal.

Would you fuck a sexy black woman or Latina or asian. I would but in the past that would be as taboo as beastiality.

I'm not an incest supporter but it shouldn't be banned
we shouldn't make things illegal solely because we find them gross

if it's a huge issue that's a different matter. like apparently huge proportion of Pakistanis have birth defects due to cousin marriage. So maybe it makes sense to even extend it in the UK

>>214161690
>If God doesn't exist and you know 100% the sex WILL NOT result in pregnancy tell me why incest is bad.
It isnt. Next question.

>>214162006
You can clearly see that every single culture in the world condemns incest, and in rare cases where brother-sister (and other types of incest) is allowed are ruling families in the ancient times, solely because it was used a tool to maintain power and wealth (exactly the reason why cousin marriage is still a thing in clan based muslim countries)
It is anti-social to be in a relationship of that kind with your sister as a normal person, since why I say that it's infantile and a compensation for something, you cannot get a person of your status so you regress and date your sister (a very safe option as a partner)

>>214162140
So if Leo dicapro fucks his sister it's okay? Since he can clearly get other women

>>214162196
Btw if you think that my lack of belief in god means I will wake up and flip a coin to see if I will fuck my sister why are you asking me to justify non-incest to you?

>>214161370 (OP)
WTF I love Prager now?!

>>214161753
>>214162140
Is it really any more degenerate than faggotry as this guy points out?>>214161722

>>214162239
Gays have sex, whatever. Incest results in disgenics, bad.

>>214162217
I'm atheist

>>214162303
And?

>>214162196
No, Leonardo Di Caprio wouldn't have the same reasons for dating his sister but it would still be anti-social behavior, and again no, men like Leonardo Di Caprio don't date their sisters precisely BECAUSE they are men like Leonardo DiCaprio (successful)
Look I lost the plot at some point, what I'm arguing for is: Incest is unnatural and an anti-social behavior because it simply is, as is pedophilia, etc, etc. You cannot in all seriousness argue that if we didn't have taboos against incest in place HEALTHY AND NORMAL people would start dating their sisters and moms etc. we just don't work in that way
>>214162239
Being gay is a totally different thing to incest it should not be grouped together (at least fully)

>>214162367
No the difference is pedophilia the kid can't possibly consent. Two adult siblings can.

>>214162367
I mean if incest would never result in pregnancy it would be accepted. But since it doesnt it is considered bad.

>>214162412
since it does*

>>214161370 (OP)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westermarck_effect

>>214161462
Based. This one post has convinced me to swear off breeding my goat, from now on i shall only pork my sister. Wish me luck brothers.

>>214161370 (OP)
Yes, if you're gonna ban brothers and sisters from having kids, you might as well also ban 40+ year old women from having kids.

>>214162399
It's not about consent, consenting to it doesn't not make it an anti-social and problematic
>>214162412
That's my exact point that it would still be considered a taboo (OR IN THE VERY LEAST NOT SOMETHING NORMAL AND HEALTHY PEOPLE WOULD DO) EVEN if we didn't have all those biological (and cultural/religious barriers that stem from it) checks in place

>>214161370 (OP)
if I had a hot sister and I were an incel I would have missionary sex with her without a condom

>>214162468
No it is about consent. You can do anti-social things when you're smart enough to understand the potential consequences. Are you going to tell me we can't have rough sex or do BDSM people because it can lead to issues?

>>214162468
>That's my exact point that it would still be considered a taboo
No it wouldnt. It is considered a taboo right now to prevent long term acceptance of it but not exactly a crime. Its purely because of it results in disgenics, if it was guaranteed that it would never result in pregnancy it would be accepted.

>>214162468
>>214162504
I dont mean you flip a switch but if a virus hit and pregancy from incest dissapeared it would gradually become accepted.

>>214161370 (OP)
No

>>214162482
>BDSM
another weird thing in our society. self harm is supposed to be universally bad. except when you do it during sex it's not

>>214162480
THIS THIS EXACTLY THIS, incels have those fantasies about their moms and their sister BECAUSE THEY CANNOT GET NORMAL GIRLS that's what makes INCEST A COMPENSATION FOR THEIR FAILURE
>>214162482
Sadism and masochism are also a deviation from the norm that used to be personality disorders (de-facto still are it's just not politically correct to call them that); You're trying to excuse those behaviors as okay and equalize them to normal behavior WHILST THEY ARE ALSO THE SAME DEVIATION FROM THE NORM, I tried to give you MY personal reason why I think it's not, for me it's the same reason pedophiles are what they are, pedophiles are not attracted to children they compensate for (INSERT REASON, or use mine after parenthesis) their inability to date normal women
>>214162525
Yes it would not be seen as mega-ultra taboo that it is now, but it would still be seen as weird because it's not about biology

>>214162660
>but it would still be seen as weird because it's not about biology
Thats perception exists only in puritan fundamentalist chuds who if they become more pushy than they are now they will get the rope. Not by "normal" people.

>>214161370 (OP)
I think they can fuck for fun if they want but they should use birth control. This is just incest common sense right?

>>214162660
>Deviation from the norm
Yet BDSM type of shit has always existed in every society. Perhaps partners enjoy the erotic play of simulating violence in a safe environment. What's wrong with that?

>Pedophiles are not attracted to children
Bullshit. Show me a single study that says that. You know they do tests where they put a wire on your cock and can measure how hard you get, right? That's like saying "Psychopaths are actually empaths they just feel sad"

>>214162696
>more pushy than they are now they will get the rope
In fact they will be facing reprecussions for what the shit theyve done already.

>>214162700
>Yet BDSM type of shit has always existed in every society... What's wrong with that?
It always existed on the fringes for a reason it is not an accepted behavior, why are sadists/masochists like what they like? Is it biology? Nope, most of the time something happened during that person's childhood, and it's not about "Partners enjoy the erotic play of simulating
violence" IT'S ALWAYS, ALWAYS JUST A MASK (more on that in next message about pedophiles) that they use to hide their true intentions with enacting that kind of roleplay
>Pedophiles are attracted to children
THAT IS THE POINT, YES THEY ARE BUT NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE CHILDREN THEY USE CHILDREN AS MEANS TO FULFILL THEIR FANTASY (read further). Here I admit I misspoke, A MAJORITY of pedophiles aren't attracted to children, for pedophiles it's about either their fantasy of being a child oneself (infantile pedophiles that are in it not for the sexual gratification part but because they want to live as children and enact their fantasy of BEING a one, these pedophiles are usually the ones that are attracted to prepubescents) or because they compensate for their inability to get a good partner (these are the majority pedophiles that aren't primarily attracted to children, they will never seek out a child on the internet or watch child porn, BUT THEY 100% WILL have sex with a 14 year old girl if that girl offers it to them, these types of pedophiles don't think that they are pedophiles for them it's always justified by some external factor "Oh, man she didn't look 15"; they do this because they can't get adult women so they settle for less) It's all there to serve either their fantasy (pedo 1) or as a way to compensate (pedo 2)
>>214162696
>>214162718
I don't really get your point

>>214162915
What studies are you referring to that agree with your theory?

>>214162915
Are you saying that it would be seen as weird cause it doesnt result in children? Well only religious puritan chuds have this kind of perception. So yea amongst them it would still be seen as weird but amongst everyone else it wouldnt. Again it would be a gradual (but organic) proccess not a flip and switch thing.

>>214162946
It's just something I thought about and tried to argument for in this thread I didn't use any studies (apart from my understanding of how two types of pedophiles works), you asked me if it was still okay to engage in incest if it would not result in pregnancy, and I think no it would still be though of as weird
>>214163001
No I am saying it would be seen as weird regardless if a couple has children

>>214163039
>No I am saying it would be seen as weird regardless if a couple has children
Not really, if there would be no disgenics because pregnancy is impossible only through this kind of puritan chud perception there would be "(non)coherent" reference to be against it.

>>214161753
Why would I do something that is hard if I can do something that is easy? Are you one of those retards who think suffering and hardship is good just because... It just is, okay???

>>214163080
All my previous messages are an attempt to explain how it would be seen as weird but turning it around and saying that being weird results in incest
anecdotally all representations of incest in today's media are bad, aka oldboy, targaryens etc.

>>214163105
That is the EXACT, EXACT REASON why pedophiles (the ones who are attracted to 14-15-16 year olds) diddle kids, because it's easier

>>214162915
>>214162946
akshually you are extremely wrong in your 2nd paragraph

you're conflating child abusers with pedophiles (people sexually attracted to prepubescent children)
these groups only partially overlap as you said because attraction is not the same as action. there's child abusers who are only attracted to control or rape and just pick easy targets but that doesn't mean there's no people attracted genuinely

all your theories about why they are this way are something you'd read in the 1800s about homosexuals how they mum didn't love them or whatever. it's all bollocks of course some people are just born fucked up

you're mistaking basic terminology so don't go around lecturing people with caps lock on

>>214163122
sorry its all tldr that mixes pedophilia which im not talking about. But lets take an example targaryens, the only reference that incest is bad is because their children come out mad and disgenic, if in that world pregnancy would not be possible through incest there would be no reference point to make targaryen incest look bad.

>Trump turns out to be a pedophile
>pedophilia is now a good thing according to americans
>incest is a common practice in israel
>incest is now a good thing according to americans
Why are they like this? Why do they so easily turn 180 degrees on everything they stand for?

>>214161370 (OP)
it takes about 2 generations to maxx out inbreeding risks and about 2 generations to eliminate them through outbreeding. Charles II was less inbred than someone with two generations of sibling parents

you don't understand genetics

>>214163135
Words just have no meaning to you I see

>>214163141
Lecturing who? I used capslock to accentuate the most important parts, it's just an argument on 4chan I'm not a professor nigga I'm 19
I said for a MAJORITY of pedophiles it's about their fantasy, yes some retards are truly fucked up in a way they can only get off to children
>>214163178
As far as I remember for Daenerys it was about her proving it's not the case for all Targaryens (In books Targs are literally godlike and completely unaffected by incest) and in the end going crazy because of what happened to her but still getting blamed on genetics

>>214163225
I have no idea what you mean, not everything that's easy good for you

>>214163227
>In books Targs are literally godlike and completely unaffected by incest
You havent read the books lol. And even if what you say was true it still doesnt disprove what I said.

>>214163264
I've also read fire and blood, WHOLE THING ABOUT TARGARYENS IS THAT NO ONE KNOWS, Aerys went mad because genes or because he got tortured by Dennis Darklin?

>>214163307
Nigga stop. Incest is taboo and the children are considered abominations in asoiaf. Everyone makes reference to targaryen madness because of incest. The disgenics is the only point of reference to consider incest bad in asoiaf

>>214163405
Nuhuh, Targaryens were considered an exception the church made for Aegon and his wives because their children were normal and viable genetically, that is the exact point of why so many people wonder is it genetics or is it because of their fucked up family dynamics, Aerys was fine before Dennis imprisoned him in Duskendale for a year and tortured his ass and because of people like Varys whispering and making him mad

>>214163465
>that is the exact point of why so many people wonder is it genetics
case closed

>>214163465
also it wouldn't make for a great story if it was "Muh genetics" Daenerys's arc of going mad wouldn't make sense, the readers wouldn't wonder was it her living in exile and being raped by Khal Drogo that fucked her up or was it really her genetics, we don't get an answer in the books

>>214163514
>the readers wouldn't wonder was it her living in exile and being raped by Khal Drogo that fucked her up
You are just making up shit now. Nothing you say changes the fact that there is no other point of reference for incest being bad except disgenics. Bye.

>>214163557
How am I making shit up? That's literally the exact question Martin asks with Dae and Aer

Any of you tards grew up with a sister? I have. The prager jew ain't wrong, but FUCKING EWWWW, the thought of fucking a sibling is fucking nasty.

>>214161370 (OP)
Urine and feces! Yes, urine and feces!

offsprings from incest look like this btw.
>inb4 i don't want to have kids
good fucking luck with that. you're pretty much walking on eggshells

>>214161370 (OP)
Jew cock suckers need to die

>>214162429
Does this mean your goat is now single?

>>214161370 (OP)
god exists because he created the dung beetle that later devolved into the modern day indian