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>In those cases, did it justify the creation of a nation-state composed of populations that already lived in that geographical area, or populations from outside of it?
Absolutely. Most especially in the cases of Poland Czechia, Greece, and Turkey. You have no idea about the Germans transferred out of these territories? Greeks out of Anatolia? Turks out of Greece? Do you know what side the Palestinian grand mufti sided with during WW2? It wasn't the allies.
>What does that have to do with self-determination? Are you already conceding that argument?
How is that a concession? What good is self-determination if there is no cultural or historical continuity? Should the Turks have formed their own nation-state anywhere but Anatolia? Should the Greeks anywhere but the Aegean? Maybe they should have carved out a piece of Africa in order not to infringe on the Ottomans?
>Why does this matter? It was events 2000 years ago.
It matters because the Jews have been stateless and without national agency for exactly that period of time. We shatter plates to commemorate the destruction of the Temple. We've prayed for thousands of years that one day we may return to Jerusalem. Our entire national mythos is reliant on a return from exile. Not to Africa, but to Jerusalem, and the land of Eretz Yisrael.
Your last quote from Ben-Gurion shows an infinity of ignorance as well, as if the situation in Plonsk could be applied everywhere in the world. Why do you take such a position of arrogance on the destiny of Jews when you know nothing about us? I don't care if you have a certain humanitarian position, but you are trying to dictate Jewish life and history to someone who has actually lived it. When I am sure you have not had anything to do with a Jew in your fortunate life in Denmark. Let me give you a quote from describing Menachem Begin's father, and you will see how uniform Jewish life was in the Russian Empire: