Thread 214171252

>>214171252 (OP)
Gothic and Iranic people forced to speak slav

>>214171293
>forced

>>214171309
yes, forced by the state

>>214171333
>balkans
>state

>>214171252 (OP)
I refuse to speak "our" forced ""standard"" """"language""""
My real language is kajkavian and its not a dialect but language
My children will speak kajkavian and i will not let them marry sh*okavians
Fuck ljudevit gajy

>>214171368
forced by our state that mandates schools to teach us serbocroatian, and public administration to use serbocroatian.

>>214171252 (OP)
One beer, nemanja

Based Serbs spreading our legacy even after we're gone
Each and every one of them are Ottomans and of course honorary Turks

>>214171487
>>214171523
Gdje rastu ovakvi retardi poput vas? Kajkavski nije jezik, srpskohrvatski je komunisticka izmisljotina.
Ubijte se ili preselite na red*it

>>214171669
glup si prijatelj samo to bum ti rekel
bok

>>214171655
did you know many croatian standard words are in fact turkish loanwords put in place of very widespread and still in use latin and slavic words?
>>214171669
keep speaking serbian and saying its a different language lmao. youre the one coping. the 0.1% differences in the way you speak to someone from čačak doesnt make you a croat.

>>214171700
Napusi se kurcine retardu maloumni.

>>214171746
ne razmem kaj prepovedas
vrni se v bosnu

>>214171745
Show me Serbian dictionaries, grammars and novels written before the 19th century. How is it then 'Serbian language'? Because you say so? Kys scum

>>214171615
one vagina and two tits, lucija

>>214171818
Serbs are something like niggers or Turks - the main thing in their lives is to fuck a white woman and then they think they've succeeded and defeated the enemy. Kwab.

>>214171862
>a white woman
hrvaticu da

>>214171252 (OP)
>Serbian
Bosnian*
Serbs have been buckbroken enough by the herzergs that if they heard their old language they would call it Bulgarian. Kajkavian is still not there yet but the number of Slovenes and Serbs on the internet who call it Slovenian is increasing by the year. They wouldn't dare if Kajkavian was still spoken by more Croats than Slovenian is spoken by Slovene like it was in the past.

>>214172246
Stokavian is spoken in Slavonia and Dubrovnik. When you say 'Bosnian' it sounds as if we have taken the language from another country, not that there are Croats living in that country who speak that language. Stokavian was accepted as the standard language because of Dubrovnik literature and because it was spoken by the largest number of Croats. All this has nothing to do with Bosnia. 'Bosnians' (Muslims) and Serbs speak Croatian, not the other way around.

>>214171745
>keep speaking serbian and saying its a different language
This but actually Serbs speak Croatian and Bosniaks speak Montenegrin

>>214171669
Kajkavski doslovno jeste jezik priznat od lingvista i ima svoj kod kjk

>>214171252 (OP)
What's going on with Bosnia's beach?

>>214172578
Reddit question

>>214171862
Average non kajkavian croat women looks like this

>>214172553
vi srbi doslovno ne mogu razumijeti čakavski i kajkavski i to su kao "dijalekti"
a ovaj standardni hrvatski je isti ko srpski a poseban je "jezik"
nema smisla stvarno

>>214172391
During most of its time before the Ottomans, medieval Croatia was over 95% Chakavian or Kajkavian speaking. East Slavonia (spoke old štokavian which is now gone) was under Hungary while the west part in Croatia was Kajkavian, and Dubrovnik was its own state. Even north-west Bosnia spoke Chakavian.
Modern Štokavian is a transitional language between Croats and Serbs originally used by Herzegovinians. It had a lot of eastern Orthodox features even before it became part-turkish, for example Croatia is the only Catholic Slavic country where we say (in štokavian) the eastern Orthodox "Isus" instead of "Jesus" and its variants. Meanwhile Kajkavians and some Chakavians still use words similar to "Jesus". Štokavian along with eastern culture came to Croatia during Ottoman migrations.
>Bosniaks and Serbs speak Croatian
This is an insane statement. Because of people like you we deserve to be grouped with Serbs and Bosnians.

>>214172840
Ne, kajkavski jeste jezik jer je tako priznat od lingvista. Cakacski je verovstno jezik takodje. Ja mogu razumeti dosta kajkavskog. To je kao neki prelaz izmedju slovenackog i hrvatskog. Rekao bih da ga 70-80% razumem. Slovenacki razumem 60-70%

>>214172840
kako da ne mozemo lol, razumemo sve, samo trebas da zamenis 'sto' na 'kaj' i ovo ti je cela tvoja kajkavstina od jezika lmao
svako srpsko selo ima vise dijalekata nego cela hrvatska

>>214172802
Club from the whitest part of croatia

>>214172840
>>214172959
Ovisi koji dijalekt. Neki Kajkavski su skoro identični standardnom dok drugi su više strani od standardnog Slovenskog koji je isto napravljen da bude bliži "Srpsko-Hrvatskom"

>>214173030
prva ljevo za mene

>>214172996
glup si patuljko

>>214173065
ma to je bila samo zajebancija
nemoj se ljutit

>>214172959
>>214173057
bas me zanima dali bi srbi ili stokavci razumjeli nekog prosjecnog zagorca, medjimurca, istrijanina ili bodula sa otoka

>>214173188
Are you Kajkavian?
How does my mother's dialect sound to Kajkavians?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KohazV16Y_Q

>>214173188
Nije bitno, sad će morati razumijevati Filipince

>>214173422
Yes
It sounds like kajkavian but spoken by dalmatians with some italian/slovenian influence
Some words are identical to kajkavian, interesting

>>214173063
Da li si ikada izgubio nevinost

>>214173630
A lot of those words that sound Slovenian/ Kajkavian are also found in Dalmatian Chakavian too but those dialects are going extinct fast. Now they just speak the standard with ikavica, an accent and some italian loans.
Although some North Chakavian dialects around Matulji closer to the border start using weird Slovenian words like "ortočić" instead of "dete" - west of Rječina Chakavian uses ekavica which makes it sound more like Kajkavian and Slovene.

>>214173714
naravno nisam
nijedna nije htela patuljaka

>>214171252 (OP)
>casually adopts five million pajeets

>>214175734
Most people support this

>>214172933
Fucking idiot, medieval Bosnia is a Croatian state. Period. Are you able to understand that? So, Stokavian was spoken by Croats from Slavonia, Herzegovina, Dubrovnik and Bosnia. Also, in the beginning we were all Stokavians and the dialects developed here, from the 14th or 15th century. Vuk Karadzic literally copied all Croatian dictionaries and then called that language 'Serbian'. Muslims are Islamized Croats and Serbs, they can't have their own language.
>>214172959
Batice, nisu to priznali nikakvi lingvisti nego neka nevladina organizacija u americi ti 'prizna' da si jezik ako platis neke pare. To se prije par godina dogodilo s cakavskim. Da ti prevedem na situaciju koju kao srbek mozes skuzit, to je kao crnogorska pravoslavna crkva mirasa dedeica koja je osnovana i registrirana u policijskoj stanici.
Kajkavski i cakavski ne mogu biti jezici jer ne postoje narodi koji ih govore. Ne postoji cakavski narod.
Postoji hrvatski i postoje ta 3 dijalekta. Kraj price.

>>214171862
>croats
>white

lmao

>>214176628
>also in the beginning we were all sthokavians

>>214178051
hes retarded
cant argue with a retard

Still kind of weird that a single ethnic group speaks 3 different languages.
From the outside it would seem that Slavonians (Kajkavian), Dalmatians(Chakavian, Old Medieval Croatia) and Bosnians (with all the Ottoman era migrations) are 3 different ethnic groups that are now under the umbrella term Croats.
Not even saying this with malice. Germans and Italians have that too and they have large united nations (for the most part), but the overlapping with Serbs is a problem.
Why shouldn't Serbs count as Croats if Bosnians do? where do you draw the line? Why are other Croatian languages marginalized if they are also Croatian and not foreign?

>>214178528
>Why shouldn't Serbs count as Croats if Bosnians do?
There was a gradual split between Croatian and Serbian nationalists in the 19th century. After this, Croatian nationalists want nothing to do with the Serbs, while Serbian nationalists generally believe Croats and Bosniaks are Serbs in denial.
Prior to the split, the most prominent Croatian nationalist, Ante Starčević, believed Serbs and Bosniaks are Croats in denial.

>>214178715
There's a long YouTube video series about this. It's in (Dubrovnik-accented) Croatian without subtitles though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMCReZfJ2bE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynGRWTCIm2w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwSzsgWjSzg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJyM1TpLkBo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irsOOpCfHsE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k9xBx-qX58

>>214178715
>Ante Starčević, believed Serbs and Bosniaks are Croats in denial.
Which is ironic since he was a symbol for later Croatian nationalist who rejected Serbs altogether.

>>214178872
You mean the Ustaše? Yeah, their two ideological forefathers were Ante Starčević (half-Serb who hated Serbs yet believed they were crypto-Croats) and Josip Frank (Jew who hated Serbs)

>>214171487
Eheh, caca

>>214178528
what the fuck kind of schizo troll map is this
>>214178796
>(Dubrovnik-accented) Croatian
Dubrovnik niggas, along with everything down there (Mostar, all of Hercegovnos) need to be fucking beeped out on public television out of courtesy to the listeners due to danger of triggering bowel movement. It is the most disgusting sounding accent from Triglav to Greece, not even central Bosnians sound as bad as Mostar and Dubrovnik

>>214178715
Starčević was wrong and that sounds like claims Serbs make about Croats. Wasn't his mother Serbian? It's always those kinds of people with those claims, like they're coping.

>>214179030
>what the fuck kind of schizo troll map is this
it's an old reddit meme cut from a picture on how to divide Croatia, this one is by dialects

>>214179030
>what the fuck kind of schizo troll map is this
How wrong is it? It's something i downloaded at some point.

>>214179116
>how wrong is it
It's not exactly accurate but it's made for normies to understand

>>214179116
It takes the Dubrovnik area as standard Croatian, which some people (me) will find offensive, but that's the point.
Light green is the standard, orange is the italianized Croatian, and red is probably what the OP is advocating should have been the standard Croatian (and he is right).

>>214179251
>this is a problem