Thread 214171920

running out of time edition

>What language(s) are you learning?
>Share language learning experiences!
>Ask questions about your target language!
>Help people who want to learn a new language!
>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!
>Make frens!

Read the wiki:
https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

Useful links:
>Free language‐learning book archive:
https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw
>Books on linguistics and language courses:
https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ
>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:
https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua
>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:
https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH
>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec
>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by family
https://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/
>/lang/ inpoot torrents
https://rentry.org/inpoot
>Refold Anki decks
https://rentry.org/refold

previous thread: >>214065075

The hardest part of language learning is figuring out how to install Lute

>>214171987
https://luteorg.github.io/lute-manual/install/windows/windows-10-32-bit-using-python.html

Have you tried reading the manual?

I need to learn B2 level German in one year

I have 2-3 hours free for it daily

Can I do it? Please be realistic.

>>214171920 (OP)
Did jordyanon ever really consider learning portuguese? Why would he?

>>214172067
I don't think so, but you can get quite far nonetheless. I asked what happens in a year and you didn't answer. If you don't reach your goals, just study for another year or two, it's not the end of the world, Germany will still be there (hopefully).

>>214172281
>Germany will still be there
Speak Arabic

>>214171920 (OP)
Kill all sandnogs(in minecraft)

fact: bengali is the best looking north indian script

>>214171920 (OP)
Does that retard still post here?

The guy who keeps larping about picking a language is a genuine schizophrenic I know him

He's from shobak south Jordan and he's genuinely schizophrenic not a joke he's an actual schizophrenic a real nut job

Becareful niggas
I wouldn't be surprised if op is shobaki larping as a serb

>>214172281
>I don't think so
Why? I already know English sure it will help me.
>I asked what happens in a year and you didn't answer. If you don't reach your goals, just study for another year or two, it's not the end of the world.
I'm moving to Germany and I have an exam before so I have to.

>>214172485
fact: some of the filipino scripts (especially Buhid and Hanunoo) look sick as fuck, like alien writing

>>214172907
>Why?
Based on personal experience and what I've seen other people achieve in that timeframe. You might be able to reach B2 level in reading and listening in a year, but writing and speaking will take much longer to develop. If you really want to reach your goal in a year, you should do 5h+ daily or more. Also you need to grind and practice the exam itself so you're not surprised by the questions.

>I already know English sure it will help me.
It helps with resources, but there's not a ton of shared vocabulary, German has its own words for everything. It's not like Spanish where every other word is just spicy English.

>I'm moving to Germany and I have an exam before so I have to.
Yeah, I thought so. I don't want to discourage you, but B2 is basically fluency and doing it in a year is quite a challenge. If you feel like you can't handle the practice exams at home, maybe aim for something lower like B1, or take another year to really prepare so you don't waste money.

this is my first time ever posting in these threads so go easy on me :D
>What language(s) are you learning?
German and Arabic

>Share language learning experiences!
For German, so far it's been easy/okay I guess. Knowing English has really helped a lot since they are very similar in terms of sentence structures, grammar, and pronunciation (to an extent). I started learning around September of last year maybe and I'm around A2/B1 (did give a official A2 certification test from Goethe). Speaking is still shit tho since I have basically no opportunity to speak it.
Still beginner in Arabic apart from knowing some common phrases, words, dates, months, and stuff like that. Arabic has been mixed so far, living in the middle east obviously helps but I'm still torn between learning proper MSA/Fusha Arabic or going the Dialect way and learning the dialect of the country I live in. I think I might go with the MSA way because finding resources for learning specific dialects is pretty hard.

>Ask questions about your target language!
Don't really have questions for German apart from maybe how colloquial is it? Do natives really pay mind to making sure their sentences are grammatically correct always? What are some common colloquial everyday phrases if you have some in your mind?
For Arabic, I want advice on whether I should learn some basic MSA Grammar/Structure (stuff like Past, Present, question words and so on) and then full send learning the local dialect? Or would I be better off learning MSA to a good level (around intermediate or so) and then start practicing the dialect.

>Help people who want to learn a new language!
My speaking might not be the best cause I'm autistic but I am fluent in English and can help you with Grammar and stuff, my native language I would say is Urdu and I could help you learn it, especially spoken Urdu/Hindi.
If you're genuinely interested drop a method of communication such as email or discord, we could work something out.

>>214174110
Colloquial German can be very different from written German. For example, using preterit is considered weird throughout the entire southern half

>>214174244
I actually didn't know that it was that different, I had heard that it's pretty weird to use the Simple Past in Spoken German in general, as in
saying "Ich lachte" is pretty weird as opposed to saying "Ich habe gelacht"

How do peope in southern germany use the past tense/preterit then? Is it more so contextual?

>>214175065
It’s hard to generalise, it depends on the verb, situation and who the speaker is talking to. I’m from the southwest and wouldn’t normally use ‘ging’ but when I speak to someone from the north I tend to adapt a bit and then I might actually say it instead of ‘bin gegangen/gange’. ‘Lachte’ should be super rare even in the north

>>214172071
he told me he was going to learn pie. i'm beginning to suspect that he might've lied to us.

>>214175196
In my mind I had the generalization that Deutsch, especially Hochdeutsch is pretty "rules-spergy". Interesting to know it has variations too
Thanks for the extra info btw, I appreciate it :D

I've decided I'm going to learn either Russian or French next. but I'm having a hard time choosing the one to start with. Learning both at the same time doesn't sound ideal either.

>>214171987
I did the Python install method on Mac and it was easy to do. Make sure you're following the right instructions for your OS (use the Windows instructions, which are on their own page, if you have Windows, and the Linux/Mac instructions if you have Linux or Mac). Also make sure you have Python 3 (not Python 2) installed, and that you're using the right python command.

>>214171085
I wouldn't have known what LWT was when I saw it posted, but I remember someone posting here about a butthurt dev taking down his sourceforge downloads. Was that LWT?

who's your /lang/ gf?

for me, it's Nelly

>>214176031
For me it's she

>>214176031
none, I'm not a simp

>>214171920 (OP)
>What language(s) are you learning?
Mandarin, Korean, dabbling in Spanish.

>>214176031
Geschlechtsverkehr mit Asuka

I feel like I don't actually know the kana. The sounds don't jump at my brain like with the latin alphabet. There is a few milliseconds delay before I understand what I see. (I've been learning japanese for years btw)

French lit is where it's at

>>214171920 (OP)
>Languages
I'm learning Japanese.
>Experiences
It's been pretty fun so far. I've been focusing too much on listening rather than reading, I think, but I've been making a lot of progress. I've been enjoying watching the Stardew Valley series by "Emma:)Japanese".
>Questions
Random question, but I don't really get why people are so critical of doing Remembering the Kanji. Why are they? There are only 2200 kanji in that book. We use decks like the Kaishi 1.5k, the Core 2k/6k/10k, whatever, and there are way more cards there. Even if it's said to be a waste of time by some, it's not that many cards by comparison.
I've been doing the Kaishi 1.5k but also just started RTK because of this.

For how many speakers they have, the quality of materials for indian languages is abysmal.

>>214178252
Why would anyone need them?

How come Jordi is from Jordan but he is white? He has long straight dark hair, white skin and green eyes. Why doesn't he just leave and cum to the USA? Thank you

>>214176203
Crazy man jaw

>>214179318
Does she mog you?

>>214179386
No, but she comes close. She looks very masculine.

so 说 is not enough? when does 说话 comes in?

Lads which language course do I go with https://www.tcd.ie/courses/short-courses/a-z-of-short-courses/

Seems like a fun way to spend a weekday night. Something different from teaching myself for once, with a bit more accountability and speaking practice, plus a chance to meet people irl

>>214180177
chinese maybe? korean classes must have people in them.

>>214177994
If you spend 150 hours completing RTK or 150 hours learning 3K more words in which case do you think you will have better Japanese? It's serviceable as a course to learn to write kanji but otherwise it's dog shit. Terrible keywords and it completely ignores the internal logic of the characters in favour of a mechanical component break down and glueing them together with mnemonics.

Just imagine yourself learning Russian, yes russian, that fucking disgusting, nasty, putrid language. fucking inserting it into your brain. Having that goblin speak inscripted inside your memory.
Now imagine people doing that deliberately to themselves.What have the world come to?

>>214180673
>Terrible keywords and it completely ignores the internal logic of the characters
>internal logic of the characters
interdasting. anon is there somewhere where I can read more about this pretty pls

>>214172485
हिन्दी है।

Post boobs

Guten Abend meine Damen und Herren

>>214176031
My GF is Terry Crews.

She is the best GF ever.

Just imagine yourself learning German, yes German, that fucking beautiful, pretty, aesthetic language. Fucking inserting it into your brain. Having that angel speak inscripted inside your memory.
Now imagine people dismissing that language deliberately? What has the world come to?

>>214183385
https://www.outlier-linguistics.com/blogs/japanese
https://www.outlier-linguistics.com/blogs/japanese/three-attributes-three-functions
https://www.outlier-linguistics.com/blogs/japanese/kanji-radicals-in-japanese-dont-do-it

All the blog posts here are good and nice and short. I would also recommend the dictionary they make but I know people on 4chan are averse to spending any money in which case you should just use Wiktionary and its glyth section which also breaks down characters into functional components and notes any corrupted forms. The information just might be less accurate or it will present differing theories without choosing sides, sometimes I use it anyway because it's easier to look characters up.

>>214184673
And to add to that, you can also watch Matt vs. Japan's videos and sign up for his paid courses. He talks (unfavorably) about Remember the Kanji.

>>214184738
That's why I said use wiktionary retard. I know people sperg if you even mention a paid product, RTK is a product too BTW.

>>214179541
The verb 说 needs an object so it can't be alone. If you want to just say "he speaks" it would be 他说话.
If you want to say "speaks Chinese" or anything else with an object, just omit the 话 which is acting kinda like a placeholder object.
That's how I explain it, sorry I might have some grammar terms slightly wrong.

>my coutry means "laughing large snake" in Chinese
>also is one of the few ones that don't posses the suffix "guó"

Japanese is quirky.
Sometimes they write words in kanji and sometimes not, even really common words. Or sometimes they replace one of the kanjis with hiragana and not the others.
And sometimes they run into random words they just can't read. Like I just saw the person who saw the word 溶鉱炉, meaning furnace, and she just didn't know how to say it.

>>214176760
Hiragana is fine. Katakana is still a bitch even after all this time. I want to murder the person that came up with シ and ツ
Although I imagine English learners feel the same way about d, b, p, and q.

>>214185246
guó is the suffix for country/kingdom.
A thing that neither Brazil nor Portugal seem to be according to the middle country.

>>214185436
Why couldn't they unshackle their language from Chinese characters like the Koreans did?

>>214185860
>měiguó is a kingdom now

Okay, fool where me that thought guó meant "country"

>>214176031
zuza

>>214186849
AFAIK there have been multiple attempts at reform but they never panned out. The Joyo list was an attempt by the US government to get ride of kanji entirely by slowly paring down the number of them to use, but this never happened.
Nowadays, more of the population is literate with kanji than ever, and the advent of keyboard input actually caused a resurgence in the use of rarer kanji where before they had been increasingly replaced with kana, so I doubt any sort of reform could take place today if it couldn't take place before.
Plus, as a foreigner learning the language, I just think they're really pretty and pleasing to read and write. Maybe in a few years, the novelty will wear off, because the Japanese writing system is not that different to Egyptian hieroglyphs lol.

>>214172067
If you already know English you're off to a head start =)
Anon I don't know what you're capable of. 700-1100 hours doesn't seem like enough to me. But who knows, if it's just about passing an exam, maybe just try to game the exam in the most optimal way possible?

learning the script and phonology of other languages is decent enough dabbling without straying too far from TL
I now know the Greek alphabet and Russian alphabet, I wanna learn Sanskrit and Arabic too

>>214184673
thanks mate, appreciate all of this.
>t guy who has been learning radicals along with the vocabulary deck

>All the blog posts here are good and nice and short. I would also recommend the dictionary they make but I know people on 4chan are averse to spending any money in which case you should just use Wiktionary and its glyth section which also breaks down characters into functional components and notes any corrupted forms.
haha, i get it. i don't mind spending money on things that are good so i appreciate the suggestions.

>>214187504
Yeah, now is too late and they're stuck with them forever. Even after WWII was hopeless. They should've done it centuries ago

>>214172794
>He's from shobak south Jordan
Wherever he lives, he could see Iranian or Israeli missiles flying overhead because he recorded it and shared it here. I haven't looked hard but it seems like the only missiles flew over the centre and north of the country and not Shobak. I think you;re actually Jordie and this is another one of your trolls. And yes you are schizophrenic.

>>214179541
>>214185124
you don't have to say 说话 or add an object every time. I.e. 我早就跟你说了 is a perfectly licit sentence (that has an implied object)
it's very convoluted to explain the rules and exceptions as to when transitive verbs MUST take objects and when they cannot, so I suggest you just learn by reading and listening more

>>214185246
>>214187295
western countries that China was familiar in the Qing dynasty had their full names transcribed + 国 (although they sometimes dropped the 国)
i.e. 法兰西国 (France), 美利坚国 (America), 英吉利国 (England)
these were later simplified to the first character + 国
法国,美国,英国
countries that China was not familiar with or saw less use/less relevant did not go through this process and their names were directly transliterated without 国

>>214176031
Nelly for French, Anja for German, Misa for Japanese

>>214176760
How often do you read stuff in the language? I learned to read kana fast from live chats quickly going by in Hololive streams.

>>214185246
>We are "beautiful country" in Chinese and "rice country" in Japanese

someone in the previous thread said the lwt dev had taken down all of the installation files, but I think they are still on github:
https://github.com/edoreld/learning-with-texts/releases/tag/v1.6.3

मुझे घी चाहिए।

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghee

>>214190592
In the beginning, China also called America "米國rice country", then the relationship with the United States changed to "美國beautiful country", their pronunciation is very close.

>>214190248
>use/less relevant
Cope faggot, you are irrelevant and small tha is why you have the suffix -guó, real countries with massive land have an original and unique name 'cause China recognize them as equals

>>214190918
no it didnt retard gomez
it was because america a-me-ri-ka
they got it from the mei

great channel for slow Greek with subtitles
https://www.youtube.com/@Linguatree

>>214185246
>>214185860
>laughing large snake
which country? also guo just seem to used to make otherwise one syllable words two syllables. Like Fa is short for Falanxi(france), add a guo to make a two syllable. Putaoya (portugal) is not shortened in the official context, but colloquially puguo can be heard. You can compare the country name in east asian languages, between CJKV they all used to be pretty similar, since they all have a kanji writing for the country name though the pronunciation wildly differs. Apprently 葡萄牙 would be pronounced (phutoga) in hokkien but putaoya in mandarin.
Also Chinese doesn't like one syllable words, like in vietnamese France would just be Phap, which is simply the vietnamese reading of 法.

nighttime bump

Is it still worth it to learn Russian? I don't want this to be political but it kind of is. I tried learning Russian 10 or so years ago but gave up out of demoralization at the difficulty and low self confidence in my abilities to learn a language, but I've learned a category 1 language and don't have those issues now. I'm not taking sides on the war, but it feels like since that time Russian lost whatever prestige it had left as a world language due to the Ukraine War and Russia is clearly a declining power with massive emigration. Back then Russia was still considered kind of cool and mysterious and you could speak Russian in Eastern Europe or Central Asia outside of Russia and people would not totally hate that like they do today. It seems totally useless and a whole lot of work for zero payoff unless you really have a passion for traditional Russian culture and even then it's just another form of entertainment.

>>214193852
Russian is probably easier to learn now. now you can get kino like this all over youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbaUpKL4x8U

>>214172067
Yes you can, german is easy to learn. besides you only need to learn how to take a döner order and ofc mit karte bitte

>>214174244
it's not here in the north and we also use genitiv sooooooo

>>214174244
>using preterit is considered weird
yo mehmet was geht

>>214193852
>Is it still worth learning
It depends what you hope to get out of it

>Travel?
Only if you go eastern Europe or central Asia

>Literature
I hear Tolstoy and Dostoevsky are pretty good, but it requires a high level of fluency to read them. Idk if Russian has good intermediate literature

>Professional
Only useful if you plan on getting a job in Eastern Europe / Central Asia, which I assume you aren't, or maybe if you want some kind of military cyber security job

>Internet
I'm pretty sure its one of the top 5 most common languages on the internet, so not bad

>Culture
This is ultimately subjective, but I think some of Russian culture seems cool, though everything Russian seems to have a constant miasma of depression and grayness to it

>Prestige
It still kind of has the coolness factor, though diminished like you said. Russia isn't nearly as relevant as it used to be, and is closer to being a regional power like Brazil then a global power like China. I considered learning Russian but there are so many more useful languages imo. If you only care about prestige and global importance, the order is probably something like

English > Chinese > French = German > Japanese > Korean > Spanish > Portuguese > Russian > Arabic

>>214171920 (OP)
>What language(s) are you learning?
French
>Share language learning experiences!
Idk why but ever since i started doing French input my English has gotten significantly worse. I used to be able to speak it without really having to worry about whether I'm making any grammatical mistakes or if my sentences sound unnatural, but now i keep on making the same dumb mistakes over and over again especially when it comes to word order in English which is mostly fixed and has very little room for mistakes.

I stopped doing French input for around a month now to fix this and while my English has definitely gotten better it's still not as good as 1 year ago when i hadn't yet started French, and I'm legitimately contemplating whether it's worth sacrificing my fluency in English to maybe eventually reach a B2 in french (best case scenario; I'm dumb) and bomb my English in the process, or if i should just stick with English which i already know to a pretty good level and can be articulate and properly express myself in. Did any of you Anons have a similar experience with language learning where learning one language caused you to start losing another one?

>Inb4 sandnigger's brain can't fit more than 2 languages
Yes i know but i can't change my genetics

>>214195192
You need start speaking English with French accent

What stoppping you from learning a native american language, slash international slash?

>>214195192
You became conscious about how you speak English and started noticing the mistakes you always made. That's normal.

since some of you need to be reminded on whats truly important

>>214195597
No nigga one of my favorite hobbies was trolling americansky pig dogs online by making them think i was one of them because i didn't have an accent (i didn't learn English in school i learned it through consooming an incredible amount of anglo slop from a very young age), and besides i have a ton of notes that i made in my Ebooks a while ago and i can see that i was much better at English before i inserted the vile goblin speak that is Fr*nch into my brain. I should've listened to the Usonian Anon in picrel.

>>214195899
>tsun tsun
yoshi yoshi
i love you too

>>214195192
Learning languages makes me worse at english even though that's my native language

>>214171920 (OP)
Still in my never ending quest of learning Chinese. At this point my progress are so scarce that I'm unsure whether I'm improving or getting worse at it.

>>214191076
>中国

>>214195899
Drop f*ench, it's unless.

>>214196634
Useless*

am i too dumb to learn french???

if language autism were cured would you still learn?

thai is the ugliest language ever. can't even watch thai series because of how hideous the language is.

>>214190248
Definitely not a Chinese grammar 师傅 but your example sentence does have an explicit object in 你 to my understanding. Anyway I agree a natural familiarity develops with more exposure. Chinese grammar wiki is a great resource too.

>>214196795
yeah

in the era of large language models it is so over for language learning

>>214200320
will it get better or worse?

>>214191089
Retard Gomez? He's Japanese not Mexican.

>>214194874
French over Korean and Japanese? You good lil bro? Get off the gas.

>>214198052
Agreed. I don't like to say this because I'm not a racist sperg like most of this site, but Thai genuinely grinds my gears (and ears). Just something about it.

>>214200320
How so? I can only see it improving language learning. Already it can act as a tutor, help you practice conversation, offer feedback, generate accurate transcriptions and natural text-to-speech. As for real-time translation eliminating the need to know a language, even that's a good thing because it will filter all the tourist casuals that don't really care about learning a language.

>>214200173
Have you ever heard the saying, "quality over quantity"?

>>214200851
There's a belief on this site that most Japanese posters are not really Japanese but American soldiers stationed in Japan.

>>214195899
Hey that's me

>>214200320
das rite, human culture and interaction is obsolete in the age of AI

>>214196132
Doesn't account because it is the proper way to refer to themselves as central to all other nations.

>>214190248
>western countries that China was familiar in the Qing dynasty
countries which conquered china you mean?

>>214196663
Unless you're black. Then I suppose they would bend over backwards to understand you. French is a language only worth learning for negroes. White men should learn a white man's language (Japanese).

>>214202086
Or worse... Engl*sh teachers.

>>214203121
Based and aryanpilled

>>214195340
which one would be most interesting/useful?

I noticed Cherokee has this strange script invented for it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee_syllabary

>>214171920 (OP)
can someone explain picrel meme? i don't get it

>>214205357
Inside joke. Stick around and you'll soon find out.

>>214194874
>though everything Russian seems to have a constant miasma of depression and grayness to it
kek

>>214194874
Honestly, I'd put Arabic over Russian right now. Sure, the more developed Arabic countries do speak English at least to some extent, but Arabic is still very much helpful.

>>214205734
what's wrong? buddhists think a lot about death too

>>214200320
you know, somebody still has to end up learning the language. llms seem decent when used for language learning, but it's just a tool. until sam altman (praise be his name and all the yucky gross dirt his pure feet walk upon as he asks for 10 bill more in funding) allows you to jam a usb into your skull and download language packs, we're still gonna have to put in the work.

>>214200173
most of these numbers are extreme over/underestimations

>>214180177
I decided that I'm gonna do Portuguese. Class starts in a month tho so I might try to see if I can get through LLPSI Familia Romana before. Just for funzies. I'd like to be able to read random Latin inscriptions around the city, like on monuments or in churches, not read Cicero, so hopefully that'll get me there

>>214193852
I hate to be the guy promoting being a horny coomer but imo it seems it's only useful if you have a Russian speaking gf online or if you want to play online games in Europe. More useful than most languages I guess, but not at the level of a western european language, for example.

>>214200320
Using whisper AI to make transcripts has improved my language learning experience by at least 10x

do you ever jerk off in your target language? trying to find something in turkish

>>214205450
Make that two. I don't live online so these memes are strange to me. >>214205734
Look up the Russian group "chocolate-ka" and their song "koresh." It means "buddy" in Russian.

page 10

>>214209846
>>214205357
The quick rundown is that he's some guy who's been in this thread since like 2019 and still hasn't picked a single language to learn and keeps asking people here to help him choose.
Possibly a troll.

How many harry potter books do I need to read to get form a0 to b2?

>>214213713
All of them.

>>214213951
Did you read Harry Potter in your TLs?

>>214214204
I've only read the beginning of Philosopher's Stone in German. I've never been a fan of the series.

>>214176031
Jisoo's supposedly a big gamer. If she made a gaming channel that I could use to learn with language reactor it would unironically cure my depression

>>214212310
That's actually funny. Not even being ironic. It also perfectly summarizes the average 4chan user.

>>214214378
I would break that yellow vagina. I'd have her saying "nae, pi, ttam nuemul."

>>214176031
I broke up with Shel when I found out she got a tattoo. Caesar's gf must be beyond reproach.

>>214218567
Yikes. What compels women to permanently uglify their skin like this?

>>214200173
>Only 1/3rd of China's population speaks Mandarin according to this chart
Lmao

bump

>>214216254
keep your filthy brain away from baby jisoo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tvqRDbxLPg

>>214218567
>>214219047
tattoos are fine, the problem is when they get hideous ones, insect tattoos kill the boner instantly

>>214220363
I've never seen a good looking tattoo on a woman

>>214220363
You can have her then. I'll reserve a pure gf for myself, like Shel's sister, Adele.

>>214220363
Tattoos always look like crap.

>>214200173
I seriously doubt that English truly has more speakers than Mandarin. Maybe even less than Hindustani.

/lang/ - international tattoo critique general

just discovered I can practice my tones with the mic of the Pleco app, I'm having fun already

>>214222577
My right to call women with tattoos trashy whores is protected by the constitution

>>214198085
well you can remove the 跟你
我早就说了呀
and it still works

thinking of dabbling in persian

>Three hours a day for a year is not enough to master German at B2
Why to live? You might as well learn these difficult languages if you are willing to sound and understand like an idiot for such a long period of time
>>214185623
シ has a wider angle on top, like with し
With ツ you draw dashes and a smiley face in the same order as you draw a line in つ
Recognizing this in handwriting is quite a challenge though
>>214185623
>>214176760
Anyway, I do believe everyone should learn both katakana and hiragana at the same time

Damn I just realised you could do anki reviews in the browser and thus use yomitan at the same time
I didn't realise you could edit cards in the browser as well, why the hell do people pay for the iphone app?

>>214223398
people pay for anki?

>>214176031
I simp for Andrea. She cums every time we fuck and we have five kids already.

>tfw found out Khmer doesn’t have tones
Well I know what language I’m gonna learn today lads

>>214196663
Learning french will help with the latinate words introduced to english by the normans.

does modern Greek have any interesting media or literature?
I was only interested in ancient Greek at first but now I like the sound of modern more and more

What I want to know is: Powell Janulus. Did he really speak 42 languages or is that straight cap? Because that sounds cap as hell to me. Fluent in 42 languages bro? Confirmed? Ain't no way.

>>214211982
>posts norwegian

>>214224860
Adele is my new novia.

bump

Learn Japanese

>>214228391
is there any language more interesting?

>>214228606
Old Norse
Classical Chinese

>>214228606
dhivehi

>>214223398
How do you import cards from a .txt in the web browser though? I use the desktop program exclusively.

>>214226848
the speed poster is but the two right ones are swedish.
equivalent norwegian signs would say "maks" and "fartskontroll".

>>214226848
>>214229747
on further inspection, the "fartkontrol" sign is danish because swedish also spells "kontroll" with two Ls, also the road numbers are danish i think.
so you actually have all three there lmao

>>214229747
Bottom right is probably Danish. Spelled "kontroll" in Swedish.

Huh

>>214231046
Чинк cиcтepc ayp pecпoнc?

Looking to purchase a book on spanish that has grammar, vocabulary, sentence structures and exercises to practice. can anyone recommend?

>>214231888
>purchasing books instead of downloading the pdf for free

>>214232120
prolonged exposure to blue screens ruins your eyesight
>can't afford books
get a job

>>214231888
I recommend Practice Makes Perfect series

>>214228679
But you won't learn Japanese or classical chinese

You give up and learn french

>>214233576
I am studying Japanese again

>>214234117
日本語しか勝たん

>>214231046
what app? and how many are learning arab?

I want to give up German, ughhhhhh

I want to give up life

>>214232778
then buy an e-ink reader, pussy
anyway, there's 0 proof that blue light is harmful and you're exposed to more of it if you touch grass

>>214232778
>get a job
there are better things to waste money on if you have a job
you're a good goy if you accept these absurd profit margins that publishing houses demand

>>214231888
Spanish for reading by Karl Sandberg

>>214235478
I want to forget German so I can enjoy learning it from zero again.

Everybody should learn French.

I'm considering Italian, French, Swedish, Dutch or Japanese again. German seems to be the most demanding of all languages except Japanese, but Japanese has tons of content. German doesn't even have cool things like piracy culture and archiving niche stuff like runet does. And doesn't sounds so good as I thought
>>214235956
Idk. It seems unnecessarily time consuming with its little annoying thingies
>>214236103
Why? It's more complicated Italian

>>214236103
Alle muss deutschlernen

>>214236421
>more complicated Italian
phonologically, maybe, but its verbal morphology is somewhat simpler.

sometimes i wish i can just drop everything and roam the coastlines of tanzania to see how far my swahili can get me

>>214235104
Drops, 280k.

>>214206314
If you mean that you're just starting LLPSI and want to complete it in a month, that's over a chapter a day. Even if you're NEET right now and could hypothetically work at it all day, you want to have time for your brain to digest all this new information.

>>214236421
>Why? It's more complicated Italian
is it? french grammar is much easier, vocabulary closer to english and maybe italian pronunciation in dubbing is very clear, but native content is mumbly to the point you might learn french as well, there's a shitton of accents and influence from local languages mistakenly called dialects

Nobody should learn French

tout le monde doit apprendre le français

>>214236103
No one should learn french*

Only I should learn French

French shouldn't exist

Learn French so you can buy La Pléiade books
Remember, the protagonist of Soumission only decides to return to academia and then convert to Islam because he gets given the opportunity to edit the La Pléiade edition of Huysmans so it's an important cultural phenomenon in France

So it's German, Swedish/Norwegian, French, Italian, Japanese. On second thought, I might discard Italian if it's actually more difficult than French and learn it someday, or when I have to. For cultural novelty and diversity, Japanese wins hands down. I like French, but of the two major European languages it seems less important than German, France is much further away and it's basically a language for talking to other, probably pretentious, FSLs. Ughhh... idk
>>214236587
>>214236852
Mhmmm, maybe. I've heard that Italian is much more difficult than Spanish, and that French grammar is easier than Spanish because there are fewer things to memorize.

>>214237908
Out of all the languages you listed, German is the most useful, while Japanese is the most fun and has the most cool content.

>>214175065
Präteritum feels like there is more motion to whatever you are saying. As if the thing you are talking about is happening. When you say "ich lachte" it seems like a setup for the rest of the sentence. Perfekt works pretty much all the time.
General rule in South Germany is that you can use the Perfekt in almost every situation the Präteritum fits but the other way around it rarely works. The further south you go the less common Präteritum becomes until you get to Switzerland where it gets ditched entirely.
Präteritum is more common in literature or written German though.

There is also this thing where people ditch the Konjunktiv by using "würde" instead.
Both Präteritum and Konjunktiv can be tricky in colloquial German. If you use them too much, people will think you are a pretentious faggot. If you use them too little, they will think you are retarded. But if you are a foreigner it doesn't matter that much.

>>214235956
>I want to forget German so I can enjoy learning it from zero again.
HOLY BASED!

While watching Nico's Weg, I'm actually surprised that Nico doesn't know english in this day and age

>>214205357
>>214209846

Greek pronunciation is surprisingly easy aside from a few consonants. babby vowels and the writing is phonetic

>>214238655
This can't be someone who actually exists. This is just sad, even by 4chan standards. I call cap until I see them confirmed posting in the thread.

>>214238518
I've only seen the first few minutes. I like when the taxi drives off with his shit.

>>214235793
>>214235677
omg youre seething, did i hit a nerve pidor ?

>>214239610
ok keep being a cuck

I want learn German to read read philosophy books. How much harder are they in comparison with day to day language? any good starting point?

>>214239280
my brother just go skim through the previous threads and filter search 'jord' and you'll see

>>214239958
german "philosophy" is trash

>>214240974
german philosophy was the only real attempt to stop angloid philosophy from destroying europe

Br Portuguese vs French vs Russian?

>>214228606
Maybe Ancient Greek but the problem is anime girls don't speak Ancient Greek

Friendly reminder to make jordanon's posts disappear forever by placing:
boards.4chan.org##:matches-path(/int) div.thread:has(div.opContainer span.subject:has-text(/lang/i)) div.postContainer:has(> div.post > div.postInfo > span.nameBlock > span.flag:is(.flag-jo))
in your UBlockOrigin filters.
It only blocks jordan flags in the /lang/ thread.

>>214242827
depends on which country you have to go and subvert

>>214243167
honestly you wouldn't lose much by filtering all Jordanian flags from this entire website
there are only two frequent Jordan posters which are our local jordie and an incel called ryan

Im dropping fr*Nch and picking up Italian. It's a language I can actually pronounce

>>214243167
Nah, he's funny.

i can't pronounce "heureux" help

>>214244816
Say /ø.ʁø/

>>214244816
https://youtu.be/LsSMBkgouho

>>214244986
CP DON'T CLICK

मेरे दाँतों पीले हैं।

>>214239280
>them

>>214239280
>them

>>214241012
Anglo philosophy is a badly translated German philosophy, at least since the 20th century. On both right and left

>>214239280
Please stop using newspeak they. ESL people will pick it up and start using it too.

>>214244107
I thought he was funny at first but after a few years the joke wears thin

>language learning app/anki deck
>every separate conjugation/declension of the verb/word is counted as a separate "word"
why do they do this

>>214249681
because that's the correct definition of word. Otherwise they should say lexeme, or lemma, but deciding what counts as a lexeme is difficult because not all morphological rules are equally productive (is happily and happy the same lexeme? What about collect and recollect).

>>214246119
Wasn't sure about his gender, doinkoff.
>>214246291
Wasn't sure about his gender, monkey.
>>214247752
You don't even speak English as a native language. Sit down.

>>214249681
>learn the word cover
>you now perfectly understand the meanings of uncover, discover and recover

>>214250100
>gender
No such thing, bucko

https://youtu.be/94q8-318qDI?si=V2NxC8iI97VMoltL

Tha mi sgìth 's mi leam fhìn,
I am tired and alone,

Buain na rainich, buain na rainich,
Cutting the bracken, cutting the bracken

Tha mi sgìth 's mi leam fhìn,
I am tired and alone,

Buain na rainich daonnan
Forever cutting the bracken

H-uile là nam ònar.
Every day alone


Meirl

>>214246291
It's quite normal standard english in america (and prob most other english native countries) to use them or they as a stand-in. It's been this way since i was a kid, doesn't have anything to do with culture war nonsense

>>214240974
You are just mad that Germany became the New and Holy and Based and the Real Roman Empire

>>214251257
I know, but it's still a dead giveaway if you do that when refering to a user here, where 100% of users are either male (male) or female (male).
If you want reddit users joining /lang/ that's fine, you can be honest about it. Personally, I'd prefer it if they stayed in their little echo chamber.

>>214251565
It's just standard English. It has nothing to do with woke cultists or tradtards or which flavor of slop website you're loyal to. It's grammatically correct and appropriate. We all know every person here has a dick, but with an unknown gender it's fine. This is a language learning general.

A lot of ESLs say him/her completely incorrectly. They will call an an engine or a mechanism him/her because they don't comprehend non gendered languages. It's fine, but if you want to be correct be correct.

>>214251746
>We all know every person here has a dick
But that's my point. Nobody uses the ambiguous "they" or "them" when you know definitively that the person you're referring to is a male. That would be weird.

>>214251959
Actually yeah they do. He/she has a subtle/mild connotation of familiarity so sometimes people use they/them with strangers or distant acquaintances even when the gender is known

>>214251158
>Tha mi sgìth 's mi leam fhìn
Tá mé gan scíth 's mé liom féin
>Buain na rainich, buain na rainich
Ag baint raithní, baint na raithní
>H-uile là nam ònar.
an lá uilig i m'aonar

Needed wiktionary to figure out some of these cognates. sgíth and scíth have near-opposite meanings.

what exactly am i missing out on by not learning your TL?

>>214252810
retroflex consonants

giving up on talking with natives with any TL. I will just become a book autist

>Deep hatred of modern western culture, depressed throughout my youth, suicidal, no desire to do anything
>Start watching east and southeast asian content online
>Live vicariously in asia through immersion, study asian languages, depression goes away, have a will to live again, motivated, want to move overseas
>Go back to being depressed because I blew most of my youth

If only this happened like 5-6 years ago, fuck

>>214253727
t. 25 year old boomer

I'm B2/C1 in Spanish (I have an cert). Would you do 1 month of Advanced Spanish classes at a reputable Mexican university if tuition was completely free if you were me?

>>214252764
I'm a native speaker and he is correct.>>214252290

It actually does sound quite odd when you refer to a singular person with a known gender as they/them. Specifically the way woketards use it. It may be grammatically correct but just seems strange.
However, it sounds natural and fine in some different contexts. "Yeah that guy is full of shit, I'll talk to them later". We've established the subject is male, we've referred to him as "them", it's correct, and it doesn't sound odd to a native speaker.

ESLs are so pretentious about English they often try to explain shit to a native speaker. Alright a native speaker may not know the technical grammar well, you may even explain it better to them. But they'll always know if something sounds off. You should listen

>>214252290
>or distant acquaintances even when the gender is known

Or when they purposely want to obscure the gender.

>>214253951
>>214252290
>>214251257
Okay, let's assume that this is normal. Was it normal in, let's say, the 70s?

>>214253727
I was looking into the Mongolian language and was surprised at these videos, even Mongolians seem chill and thoughtful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlWp3Zw6hz8
these Asian countries just feel like a nice quiet escape from the loud Americanized west

>>214253891
I'm 30 tomorrow :/
I'd sell an organ to be 25

>>214250424
>>214251565
>>214251959
>>214252764
Bro, STFU. You guys get bodied by Brazilians who are the preferred Portuguese speakers. You can't even maintain primary hold on your own language, yet want to critique me on mine? Kill yourself ... NOW!

Fucking faggot moron monkey. I just explained I don't know who Jordy was, retard. If you're going to use my oxygen to type shit online, find your own arse first.

>>214254457
mad

Jordie is a master troll. Making everyone argue without him even being here.

>>214253951
>It actually does sound quite odd when you refer to a singular person with a known gender as they/them. Specifically the way woketards use it. It may be grammatically correct but just seems strange.
Thank you for confirming exactly what I was saying.
>it sounds natural and fine in some different contexts
Yes I agree. However, it's an exception here, because the lack of female users is common knowledge for anyone who's been using this site for more than a few months, so use of this kind of language is often a giveaway. It's literally one of the "rules of the internet".
If this were any other board this wouldn't even be a discussion, but because we're here it's possible to try to point at flags and claim "ESL ESL" to try to weasel out of being caught red-handed instead of just owning up to coming here from another site.

>>214255262
>"rules of the internet".
Nigger nobody gives a fuck 4chan isn't a secret club and never was. There are no rules and never have been. "Post tits with timestamp" has been the closest thing to an enforced rule this site has had. And now nobody even does it. It's not even very popular anymore and most likely a multinational honeypot
>weasel out of being caught red-handed instead of just owning up to coming here from another site.
I hate r*dditfags as much as anyone . But you're being ridiculous. You're not going to want to hear this but half of the users here use reddit as well. Fuck sometimes I even lurk some niche areas for information. Even if half the posts there make me want to blow my fucking brains out about how smug and pretentious and sterilized the whole site is.
Someone is simply trying to teach you about a language you seemingly want to master. Call down. Not everyone who uses a top 100 common word in a way you're not used to or don't like is a r*dditfag. Good luck learning man, English is gay

>>214196663
This is true. Spanish is way cooler anyway.

>>214254222
Yes. You can find literature that uses "them" in this way easily. Pick a fiction book that has strong narration. You will see it more than likely.

>>214254649
That's a sexy ahh bitch. You should still kill yourself though.

how'dya like them apples?

>>214255617
>niche areas for information
That's completely irrelevant, and I think you know that. Most of us would be banned on reddit within weeks of posting there.
It might seem ridiculous but I do have a grievance against them, like you said they are smug and pretentious, but not just that, their website is a fucking scourge on the internet. It's built around conformity and punishing dissenting opinions, and other websites follow their example. I don't think regular users of a site like that should come here without being mocked/laughed at.

>>214255649
Hm, thx

>>214255649
Are you that anglo guy who moved to Serbia and (understandably) can't stand the local general?

>>214256865
I like the general I'm there now.

>>214257207
Yep, guess it's only us there now. Your tolerance for bullshit will increase and you'll have to leave in order to preserve your sanity, as I did through the years. If a Russian NEET who only gets turned on by grandmothers chose it as his place of residence, then you can see the writing on the wall. I recently tried to increase the quality of the thread but the locals immediately tried to dox me (again). Fuck /ex-yu/, and I'm not even Denis. /offtopic

>>214239280
It's real. You can check the archive.

>page 10
oof

bump

Haz. El. Trabajo. (Do. The. Work.)

>>214259606
It's almost like language learning isn't a priority on /int/. Whoa! Shock and awe! Gasp and surprise!

>>214259748
This is the most important thread on the board.

>>214259957
Stop being dumb and making our flag look even worse than it already does. I never said it wasn't important. It is, in fact. It's the very embodiment of what it means to be /int/. I'm saying that the people who post in it do not embody anything international. Look at your "Jordy" character. If the memes are accurate, the man hasn't made any strides to learn anything. Even me, with my ADHD brain is putting in some measure of effort. Take a look around you. Most of the content here is shit posting and racism. I see very little in the way of actual language discussion.

>>214185246
I've never heard that before. I think “巴西” is just a phonetic transcription of “Brazil.”

In your honest opinion: what’s the worse European language to learn ? (Grammar, pronunciation, spelling etc) / to avoid wasting time to learn, just so I don’t make this mistake, thanks

>>214260611
the Slavic languages and Uralic languages (Finnish, Hungarian etc) are hardest. doesn't mean they're a waste of time if you have a reason to learn them, but they're just more alien in grammar, pronunciation, spelling. Romance and Germanic languages are more familiar to English

>>214260233
We are reaching levels of sperg not thought possible

>>214260611
Pick between French, Italian, Spanish, Dutch, German and Swedish.

based ge'ez

Any place to learn specific Italian dialects? Trying to connect with family back in Italy but I know fuck all of my dialect and overall Italian. Is it worth to learn general Italian prior or stick to the dialect first if I'm able?

>>214262264
book?

>>214262333
They speak standard italian, learn that. Dialects are impossible to learn without living in the place they are spoken.

>>214251257
It's crazy that americans have been brainwashed into thinking "singular they the pronoun" existed before 2014. Here's how the language instinct explained singular "they" in 1994:

> Sometimes an alleged grammatical "error" is logical not only in the
sense of "rational" but in the sense of respecting distinctions made
by the formal logician. Consider this alleged barbarism, brought up
by nearly every language maven:
> Everyone returned to their seats.
> (...)
> They explain: everyone means every one, a singular subject, which
may not serve as the antecedent of a plural pronoun like them later
in the sentence. "Everyone returned to his seat," they insist. "If
anyone calls, tell him I can't come to the phone."
> (...)
> The logical point that you, Holden Caulfield, and everyone but the
language mavens intuitively grasp is that everyone and they are not
an "antecedent" and a "pronoun" referring to the same person in
the world, which would force them to agree in number. They are a
"quantifier" and a "bound variable," a different logical relationship.
Everyone returned to their seats means "For all X, X returned to X's
seat." The "X" does not refer to any particular person or group of
people; it is simply a placeholder that keeps track of the roles that
players play across different relationships. In this case, the X that comes back to a seat is the same X that owns the seat that X comes
back to. The their there does not, in fact, have plural number, because
it refers neither to one thing nor to many things; it does not refer at
all.

Singular they existed but it wasn't a pronoun.

>>214260611
Polish

>>214260611
>Grammar, pronunciation, spelling
English.

I am gonna restart German again. I will either never come back here, or come back here to flex my German a few months (or a year?) from now.

>>214263097
idk, It's a random image I had saved

>>214263604
>Let me tell you how your language works
>Postmodern word salad written by an atheist jew associated with Epstein and Chomsky

English speakers have been using "they" to refer to people whose gender is unknown for centuries.

https://www.oed.com/discover/a-brief-history-of-singular-they/?tl=true

>>214260611
French

>>214265764
All examples prior to the current century are not uses of they as a pronoun. The "singular they" existed the "singular they pronoun" didn't.
The article you posted was written in 2023 to justify the recent change in the use of they as rooted in history, it's part of the brainwashing.
You will never ever find someone using "they" to refer to a single specific person before the 2010s.

>>214266008
do you not know what a pronoun is?

>>214266102
Did you read the explanation from the language instinct? Did you understand it?

I mean I love Hitler, but chuds are retarded.

>>214251746
>every person here has a dick
Where's mine?

>>214266748
Jew doctor sold it for facial cream after your operation anon

>>214266008
Anons aren't specific posters

>>214266864
Give it back

>>214261206
Idiot.
>>214264565
It's you. You're the sperg everyone's been talking about. How does it feel to be heading towards the title image? To die before learning a language.

I cant decide between Italian and French. Italian would be easier to pronounce and all but French sounds and looks nicer

>>214266857
It grinds my gears when native english speakers write 'your' instead of 'you're' or 'should of' instead of 'should have'.

>>214268261
Or to and too. Or when they type plurals like "plural's"

>>214268118
It's already over for you. Once the symptoms start showing, the disease is incurable.

>>214266857
Well somebody has to bring civilization to that shithole

NEW
>>214268698
>>214268698
>>214268698
NEW

>>214172067
You can, I've done it in 10 months. But you must be super consistent. Read, write, and grind anki (50 new words) every day.