Thread 214204560

I think you're stupid

>>214204601
Rude

>>214204560 (OP)
Actual pic of red army soldiers

>>214204560 (OP)
That's a man.

>>214204560 (OP)
H-hot…

>>214204736
>the “master race” lost to this
embarrassing

>>214205592
>N-no we didn't lose to starving peasants armed with shit sticks they were actually way way stronger!
>A-ah but ehrm no actually they're all weak, our will is stronger!
>But there were way more of them you see, and their tanks were a lot better than ours!
>But they're also stupid and backwards and subhumans! They could never compete with the superior race!
>They only relied on deceipt and trickery! Like that one time ee broke our pact with them and attacked unprovo-oh
>Anyways shut up now give me money for my memoirs please

>>214205592
>weapon made from american steel
>uniform made from american cotton and wool
>stomach full of american food
>transported to germany in russian trucks and trains

>>214204560 (OP)
didn't know mascara wasn't rationed.

>>214205791
>in russian trucks and trains
in american*

>>214205791
Lend Lease deliveries poured in after the soviets had already turned the tide and it comprised only 4 % of the total amount of armaments that the USSR produced during WW2

>>214206429
Both Stalin and later Khrushchev said that they would have lost the war without Lend Lease

>>214206429
Uh-oh, I have to tap the sign again..
>England and the USA did everything to provide us with material assistance of all kinds, mainly military assistance - weapons and other material supplies needed to wage war. We received very substantial assistance.
>I would like to express my opinion and tell in a naked form about Stalin's opinion on the question of whether the Red Army and the Soviet Union could have coped with Nazi Germany and survived the war without help from the USA and England. First of all, I would like to talk about Stalin's words, which he repeated several times when we had "free conversations" among ourselves. He said directly that if the USA had not helped us, we would not have won this war: alone with Nazi Germany, we would not have withstood its onslaught and lost the war. No one officially touched on this topic among us, and Stalin, I think, left no written traces of his opinion anywhere, but I am stating here that he noted this circumstance several times in conversations with me.

>The US created a powerful air force. They had the "Flying Fortress", a wonderful aircraft, the best in the world. The Americans intruded into enemy airspace on such aircraft even without fighter escort, while our bombers could do so only at night, and had to have cover during the day. Without cover, they could operate within the front, using the surprise of an attack. And we suffered fairly heavy losses from anti-aircraft artillery and German fighter aircraft. The Americans, however, flew into enemy territory without cover and bombed its industrial centers, which was of great importance.

>1943, when we were advancing near Kiev, the enemy's aviation was already quite thin and did not represent such a serious force as at the beginning of the war. In 1944, I rarely went to the front. But I never heard any complaints that the German aviation was giving us no peace. My front-line friends (I kept in touch with them by telephone, they came to Kiev or I sometimes went to the front) said: "You cannot even imagine, now we travel day and night, and the enemy aviation does not bother us." Whose merit was this? The American aviation. It put out of action the German factories that produced airplanes. The Germans had metal and gasoline, but the aircraft factories were destroyed. Was that not enough? Was it a small help? And the USA very persistently, stubbornly and expertly destroyed their other factories that produced weapons. This was a great support for us. And the help we received in the form of ready-made tanks? I remember we received English tanks at Stalingrad (I've forgotten their name now). Their combat qualities were not high, but they were still tanks. The infantryman was covered by armor, went on the attack more boldly and struck the enemy better. These tanks were inferior to ours in armor, but superior in their running gear.

>So, we received equipment, ships, and a lot of military equipment from the allies. This played an important role in the war. Almost all of our artillery was American-built. Once, after Stalin's death, I suggested: "Let's give all the vehicles we produce to our military, because it's simply indecent to watch: there's a parade going on, and the tractors are American." Almost all of our military equipment that was in the GDR was also American-built Studebakers. This is inconvenient, this is a disgrace for us. How many years have passed since the war ended, and we are still driving American equipment.

>I would like to emphasize here how many of these machines we received and what quality they were. Can you imagine how we would have advanced without them? How would we have moved from Stalingrad to Berlin? I can’t imagine it. Our losses would have been colossal, because our troops would have had no maneuverability. In addition, we received a lot of steel and duralumin. Our industry was undermined, partially abandoned to the enemy. Under these conditions, assistance from the USA was of great importance. The British also showed great persistence in helping us. They delivered cargo by ship to Murmansk and suffered great losses in the process.

>We also received food products in large quantities at that time. There were many jokes, including indecent ones, about American stew. And yet it was tasty. Many jokes appeared about this, but we ate stew. Without it, it would have been very difficult for us to feed the army. After all, we lost the most fertile lands - Ukraine and the North Caucasus. You have to imagine how difficult it was in such conditions to organize the provision of food for the entire country.

>In addition, we received many new technical devices from the allies, which we had no idea about. For the air defense forces, we received an electronic device - a radar. The commander of the air force told me that this device came from England. Previously, we equipped the air defense with only searchlights and "listeners", rather crude and complex. We had no idea about modern electronic equipment, but the British had it and gave us some of it.

>In a word, we must honestly acknowledge the contribution of our allies to the defeat of Hitler. We cannot boast: look, we pulled out our sabers and won, and they came to a nodding conclusion. This point of view is correct if we consider only the contribution of the allies from the point of view of the landing of paratroopers, that is, the direct participation of American and British troops in the fight against Germany on the European continent. Here it will be correct. But the equipment and materials with which they helped us are another matter. If they had not helped, then we would not have won, we would not have won this war, because we suffered too many losses in the first days of the war.

>According to a report by KGB Chairman V. Semichastny to N. Khrushchev, Marshal Georgy Konstantinovich Zhukov, who was deprived of his post as Minister of Defense, said in one of his private conversations: “Now they say that the Allies never helped us… But it cannot be denied that the Americans sent us so many materials, without which we could not have formed our reserves and could not have continued the war… We did not have explosives, gunpowder. There was nothing to load rifle cartridges with. The Americans really helped us out with gunpowder and explosives. And how much sheet steel they sent us! Could we have quickly set up tank production if not for American help with steel? And now they present things as if we had all this in abundance.”
("Mocквa нa линии фpoнтa" by Colonel Nikolay Efimov, editor-in-chief of Krasnaya Zvezda, and Colonel Alexander Bondarenko, head of history and literature at Krasnaya Zvezda, official newspaper of the Russian Ministry of Defence.)

>>214206429
shut the FUCK up tankie

>>214206632
I don't trust Krushchev on Stalin. I don't like Stalin, he was a monster but Krushchev has been shown to be unreliable when it comes to Stalin. For instance, Khrushchev is also the guy who said Stalin went to the dacha for days in a depressive spell after the nazis invaded and did nothing for days leaving the country leaderless and they needed to go drag him out of it when the Kremlin records completely disprove him. He was there everyday organizing reunions that lasted forever and micromanaging everything from the very beginning of the invasion.

Meanwhile this is what Zhukov wrote in his memoir (and mind you, my argument isn't that lend lease wasn't important, just that when they ramped up the deliveries the soviets had already turned the tide, the narrative that they won just because of lend lease is untrue and a relic of the cold war)

>>214207712
What Zhukov fails so elegantly to mention is that the Soviet industry was only capable to expand to such a degree thanks to US and UK deliveries, primarly in raw materials and tooling. The 96% of equipment produced by the USSR wouldn't have been so without their support.

>>214205791
Soviets provided the most important thing, blood.