Thread 214208244

Why did the vikings all convert to Christianity. Did they realize their gods are actually evil and wicked.

>>214208244 (OP)
It was the hype thing to do, the church and the mainlanders gave material support to Christian rulers
We actually had rebellions over this stuff

>>214208244 (OP)
Christianity was great for centralising power. One god one king and all that.

>>214208244 (OP)
People were literally exiled and slaughtered unless they converted to christianity. And it took centuries before every region was converted. Also it was more lucrative trade-wise and not becoming a target for crusaders from other European powers like eventually happened to the Baltic

>>214208244 (OP)
we did it to be more unified and to help us settle down (with the blessings of christcucks, which was most of europe)
I imagine it was similar for them since we both did it at roughly the same time with somewhat similar circumstances

Political expediency for dealing with the post-Roman world.

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>>214208322
Didn't Alfred the great say Odin is evil as he want human sacrifice.

>>214208322
Kind of sad how Normans were originally cool vikings that got frogged. Because of them, we can’t read kino like Beowulf or Caedmyn’s hymn. They buck broke our language and now it’s some disgusting Anglo Saxon/French/Latin creole.

>>214208541
We have no idea if Norse pagans engaged in human sacrifice. Every single source about their religion comes from Christians. It’s like trying to figure out what Judaism is as a religion from Memri TV quotes.

>>214208541
Do you know the word "bias/biased"?
>Didn't the Japanese occupants of Korea say Koreans weren't fit to rule themselves?

>>214208541
Alfred was a christian ruler attacked by pagan vikings, I feel like he might have had a slight conflict of interest.

>>214208541
Didn't Jesus say that a camel has a higher chance to fit through the eye of a needle than a rich man has of going to heaven or however the choir boy is molested.

>>214208978
>God told me that I need more gaudy chariots. We have a special deal right now where if you donate €1000, you get immediate entry into Paradise o qualcosa

>>214208244 (OP)
Jesus is like Odin, both sacrificed themselves to themselves except Jesus is more powerful because he's God

It's obvious you'd pick the more powerful God

>>214208322
>>214208351
>>214208476
Why doesn't Scandinavia return to paganism?

>>214209304
see >>214208617

>>214209304
Because christianity is the one true religion and all nations will eventually convert to Christianity

>>214209240
God in the Old Testament seems like a entirely different deity than the one in the New Testament

>>214209304
Why would we?

>>214209304
It's been taken over by fascists. So now I ask you, how do you make fascism popular?

>>214209352
Knew OP was a christcuck

>>214209353
God in the old testament is a Jewish satan
God in new testament is actually god.
So Jews still believe in Satan.

>>214209304
there are some people that larp as pagans here
i heard in the news not so long ago that they got permission to open their first pagan cemetary

>>214209399
Jesus himself reaffirmed the old testament in matthew, by speaking against the old testament you are blasphemizing

>>214208617
https://en.natmus.dk/historical-knowledge/denmark/prehistoric-period-until-1050-ad/the-viking-age/religion-magic-death-and-rituals/human-sacrifices/

Shamefur dispray, but we converted last at least. The entire Sweden-is-less-Viking belief that you're absolutely harboring because I read people is solely because less stuff from here survives, with notable exceptions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England_runestones

>>214209513
>There are several horrifying accounts of human sacrifices from the Viking period. The German bishop…

>>214208244 (OP)
google auto da fe
>>214208617
they absolutely did and that's a good thing
>>214209420
the only reason you see them as weak and pathetic is because they're not sacrificing people like they should be

>>214209513
Did you know that IDF soldiers are eating Palestinian babies in Gaza?

>>214209577
Yes, continue reading. all 4 paragraphs.

>>214209659
i dont see them as weak and pathetic
i see them as confused and desperate
chrisitanity has clearly failed in sweden and some people feel the need to find some other "thing" to hold against the onslaught of islam
there is no academic or scholarly work in this pagan revival, its mostly just chuds and chud adjacent people doing things based off of vibes
but they are not hurting anyone so i dont care much

>>214209697
>In five c. 3 metre-deep wells human and animal skeletons were found, together with jewellery and tools. Of the total of five human sacrifices, four were young children aged between 4 and 7.
Yes, that’s definitive proof of it being a human sacrifice. Couldn’t be anything else.
>according to Christian sources, well were of great importance blah blah blah
I hate modern soience. Just say you don’t know, document it, and move on.

>>214209577
There's human sacrifice in the Old Testament. My guess is that it was more the vibe of the time to stop sacrificing people than later Christianity inventing it.

>>214209780
have you considered that maybe the decline in every aspect of the world and the minds of the people is a direct consequence to 10 centuries of starving the gods out? Like during christian times the gods were still around they were just hiding, and christians sacrificed people to satisfy christ in the same way as they did before (romans burning them, northerners hanging them) so they had something. I'm just saying.

>>214209859
The Old Testament explicitly forbids human sacrifice. Never heard of Abraham?

>>214210015
but the implication there is that human sacrifice was normal before the whole isaac thing

>>214209958
i think the mind is a powerful thing and you can make yourself believe that by killing other people you will please some supernatural entity

>>214210055
Yes, not arguing with that. But there is no “universal” paganism out there.

>>214208536
Bullshit. Vikings thrived because of the collapse

>>214210055
Didn’t Jews occasionally sacrifice Christian children to make their bread o algo?

>>214208244 (OP)
>Why did the vikings all convert to Christianity
Money.

>>214210060
Okay listen, there are 2 groups of people. There's a drought and nothings growing. Group A decides to sacrifice a virgin to the rain god and ask for rain. Group B doesn't. Now, either way the rain is going to get there as a result of the weather and not the ritual, but group A has one less mouth to feed, and it boosts morale by making them feel like they can do something in a situation they're powerless in. From a utilitarian perspective this can only be a good thing.
>>214210140
No, jews did not do human sacrifice since the whole Isaac thing. There was propaganda that jews did that in the middle ages but it was pretty obviously just made up.

>>214208617
The Norse sagas reference it sparingly.
Odin comes up with an elaborate scheme to help a man sacrifice his king to him (Odin). King Vikar is sacrificed after drawing lots by the Saga hero Starkathr in Gautrek's Saga.

>>214209492
>matthew

>>214210015
Dunno how explicit "Oh, by the way, don't do that culturally normal thing I just told you to do and kill a ram instead" is. The point isn't that human sacrifice is bad as much as that you should follow orders.

>>214210362
That’s literary stuff. We should also believe that Jesus turned water to wine because the Bible said so o algo? I am not vehemently denying they practiced human sacrifice. They could have. Or maybe they didn’t. We just don’t know.

>>214210476
We should believe that Christians thought such an act was plausible and even believable.

>>214210476
but like a lot of their history is pretty frank about it like that time they sacrificed a king because his bad luck was ruining the country or the king that sacrificed like 8 of his kids to live forever

>>214210557
As I said, it’s about as reliable as Memri TV.
>>214210564
names and contemporary sources, sweetie?

>>214210409
Yes, Matthew the apostle when Jesus preaches on a mount
he says something alongside
>I came here not to abolish the old laws of the prophets, but to reaffirm and fulfill it
>>214210362
Those sagas were written by Icelanders centuries later, already christianized icelanders

>>214210610
>>214210722
like idc too much what you think but like im pretty sure they did just because like everybody did until super recently like even Christians unironically with heretic burnings. It's just the same as making any other offering, especially considering that other people were just generally considered another piece of property a lot of the time then. Like my ancestors sacrificed a whole lot of people and I'm not ashamed of it.

>>214209353
The old Testament wasnt really preached a lot in the middle ages

>>214210722
>Those sagas were written by Icelanders centuries later, already christianized icelanders
Works on analyzing the linguistics of the sagas makes it very likely that the majority are definitely pre-Christian.
Most use language that fits the conventions of the 800s-900s, pre-Christian times.
>https://youtu.be/ax12ZYWpSAQ
My reference.

>>214210836
So it is just your opinion not a fact. Man I swear americans are just something

>>214210836
>they behaved like everyone else
the most vacuous phrase one could utter
>muh witch burnings
That’s not human sacrifice in the slightest. You’re not making offerings to God, you’re killing someone for wrongthink. Socrates was executed for that too, but that’s not human sacrifice obviously.

>>214210924
yeah okay believe what you want about the pagan sacrifice thing but witch trials (and the catholic heretic burnings which I was more referring too which were arguably worse) were absolutely human sacrifice. They were literally killing people to please their god in a big ritual to be in the face of their god and society, the only way it's not human sacrifice is if you're conveniently bending the definition of human sacrifice to never include your people for some weird delusion of nobility or smth.

>>214211089
Nigger, paganism isn’t some unified religious system like Christianity is. Mesoamericans didn’t have the same practices and pantheon as the Norse. I would have thought this is obvious to everyone, but apparently your flag is that retarded.

>>214211089
Human sacrifice is typically associated with empowering the God, or providing some kind of payment to them otherwise.
Yahweh doesn't gain anything from witch hunts in Christian myth. It is about the principle of the action. Standard antiblasphemy measures aren't human sacrifice.

>>214211136
The hindus burned wives on mens funeral pyres, and that's directly connected with the other proto-indo-european stuff even if vaguely, the story of baldr writes about the same practice for his funeral, most of the written sources have some account of human sacrifice, the christian ones and the muslim ones, and yeah they're often biased but when all of them are saying there's human sacrifice then there's probably human sacrifice.
>>214211181
I don't know it just gives "you have offended god now you must be sacrificed!" vibes to me I guess

>>214211382
I don’t give two shits about what the hindus did. This thread is about the Norse. Just because Prakesh burned Pajeeta doesn’t mean Sven burned Helga.

>>214211406
yeah ok thank you for the conversation mr vikernes

>>214211516
>X did Y
>this means Z also did Y